How Much Would You Pay?
By: Reilly On: Sep/29/04 - 69 Comments
Quote of the day:
“How much would you pay to hear President Bush ” answering some point that Kerry has made ” say, “Nice tan, by the way”?
Jay Nordlinger, National Review Online
Quote of the day:
“How much would you pay to hear President Bush ” answering some point that Kerry has made ” say, “Nice tan, by the way”?
Jay Nordlinger, National Review Online
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September 29, 2004 - 05:28 PM on September 29th, 2004
ya, boy. not only is he a coward and a traitor and a liar and weak – but now we’re makin’ fun for a bad tan. okey dokey then.
September 29, 2004 - 05:30 PM on September 29th, 2004
Just shows how fake he is, shiloh. Reilly, I would love to see that! I can’t wait to see how powdered up he is tomorrow to hide his spray tan.
September 29, 2004 - 05:32 PM on September 29th, 2004
you think Bush won’t be in make up? what the heck are you people talkin’ about?
September 29, 2004 - 05:36 PM on September 29th, 2004
of course he’ll be in makeup, you dumbass, but it won’t be because he skipped out of work to get a bad tan!!!
September 29, 2004 - 05:39 PM on September 29th, 2004
bush has ’skipped out’ of work more in the least 4 years than Clinton did in 8. he was in Crawford when he got the briefing about Bin Laden attacking within the United States – then he cleared some brush.
September 29, 2004 - 05:43 PM on September 29th, 2004
Well, I have to admit that I’ve had my share of bad experiences with tan, so I’m leaving this one alone.
And Shiloh, before you get on your soapbox and beat your chest over your victory, I would like to point out to you that it’s out of personal choice!!! In other words, your browbeating and usual “Do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do”-attitude that has earned you so much ignorance in the past have absolutely no influence whatsoever on my decision; I actually think for myself.
Personal experience doesn’t hurt either, of course. If I give preachers such as Shiloh the wrong impression, I apologize, and I’m not trying to limit any subject matter or impose the Freedom of Speech here in the way he does; just stating my POV here…
September 29, 2004 - 05:48 PM on September 29th, 2004
shiloh, read deriliction of duty by patterson for me, please, for an insider’s view of how clinton spent his time. and it had nothing to do with lewinsky, more of how he would prefer to play golf then address important security threats.
September 29, 2004 - 05:52 PM on September 29th, 2004
AG – to what ‘victory’ do you refer. what did i win?
September 29, 2004 - 05:55 PM on September 29th, 2004
Shiloh — I didn’t want you to think that I had somehow read your post and become “shamed” into your way of thinking, as seems to have been your agenda from Day One. It was a decision I made on my own once I saw the picture, and I wanted to make that perfectly clear to you that your comments had nothing to do with my personal decision.
September 29, 2004 - 05:56 PM on September 29th, 2004
So to answer your question, it’s really not a victory. You didn’t win anything as far as I’m concerned, but I was afraid you would mistakenly think otherwise.
September 29, 2004 - 06:01 PM on September 29th, 2004
K – is that the same Lt Col Patterson that tried to give a letter from the Bush campaign to Max Cleland when Max tried to give a letter to them?
that non-partisan patterson?
why don’t i just ask Ken Starr and be done with it?
September 29, 2004 - 06:04 PM on September 29th, 2004
AG – my memory is shot, evidently.
your posts 9 & 10 confuse me.
what did you change your mind on & what did i say that didn’t change your mind, if you know what i mean.
September 29, 2004 - 06:10 PM on September 29th, 2004
11. no idea.
12. she meant that she wasn’t going to discuss the kerry tan. and that was her decision, not yours.
September 29, 2004 - 06:17 PM on September 29th, 2004
AG – re: your charge that i have an agenda which consists of showing Bush to be evil, all i have to say is, i never really used the word ‘evil’ in my thinking. take it down one step and i think that’ll be closer to how i feel, along with half of this country and a good percentage of the global village.
i honestly and objectively think he has done more harm than good. whether Kerry would be better is just a hope for me at this point. a fresh start with a new president will at least give us a shot at fixin’ things.
business has corrupted the system to such a degree that there may be no goin’ back, but we have to try. we have to make the government transparent so it serves the people and not the other way around.
yes i have an agenda. as Don Corleone to Michael, “Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer”. (i don’t think of y’all as ‘enemies)
where else should i express my opinion & try to change people’s minds, somewhere where everyone agrees with me? point out my hypocrisy and i’ll admit it and correct it. this is a debate, hopefully, not a war. the concept of ‘the loyal opposition’ shoud rule, not the anger and hatred i get when passion elevates and the rhetoric is flyin’ around the room.
no eyes wide shut allowed.
best
September 29, 2004 - 06:22 PM on September 29th, 2004
While your talking about Kerry’s tan…
September 29, 2004 - 06:32 PM on September 29th, 2004
thank you dg. unfortunately, bringing us back to what is important is not the distraction we are being sold by the right. Kerry’s wife? Dan Rather?
Swift Boats? Cat Stevens? insanity.
(i heard Scott Petersen, the one on trial, supports Kerry. that’s be a 3 day story, blog that then we’ll all read the Enquirer.)
September 29, 2004 - 06:34 PM on September 29th, 2004
shiloh, your task, while noble, to change the minds of people on this site, is probably fruitless. as you can see, most of us support the re-election of our President. if i were you, like many of us do, i would try to sway those undecideds.
love always,
xxo,
k
September 29, 2004 - 06:37 PM on September 29th, 2004
shiloh/dg – we know what’s important, but let us have a little fun with kerry and wife.
it’s not that you all don’t make fun of the way bush talks or his partying twins…what comes around goes around.
don’t sweat the small stuff. if his tan really mattered in the election, we’d all have bigger problems to deal with…
September 29, 2004 - 06:53 PM on September 29th, 2004
K – AG was talkin about a tan?! she hates me. she couldn’t be talkin about a tan.
September 29, 2004 - 07:45 PM on September 29th, 2004
DG — I was actually trying to refer to the topic of this particular thread rather than changing it altogether the way you guys do on a regular basis. Novel concept, eh?
Oh, you mean you have actually been trying to view Bush objectively rather than trying to interject Bush nastiness into every single topic, even topics that have absolutely nothing to do with the war or what have you? You mean, you’ve never said anything accusingly, like, say, “Are you guys listening to yourselves?” that imply, by default, that you are above us, for lack of a better word? You’re completely innocent of all of this?
Is that what I am supposed to believe? Am I supposed to believe that I am unjustly picking on you, because you are not taunting me in any way, shape or form?
Or, should I try something really novel here and make up my own mind about what your true mission is?
September 29, 2004 - 07:57 PM on September 29th, 2004
Shiloh said,
“that non-partisan patterson?
why don’t i just ask Ken Starr and be done with it?”
It doesn’t matter who says a statement. The biggest liar in the world could say a statement. So what? You don’t bash the messenger, you ‘ingelligently’ analyze the message for truth.
It’s the statement that matters. Yet, Shiloh continues to play the part of the, ‘Emotions first, logic never’ lefty. I don’t care if Michael Moore tells me that he saw a Pig flying around in some city in Alaska yesterday. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt while I go and ‘research’ the truth of that statement by reading a local newspaper in that area.
Finding no PIG mentioned in the newspaper I am left to believe that the above statement is false.
Simple Research Shiloh! Life is not about believing everything your own ideology tells you and disbelieving everything anyone else says just because everyone else doesn’t agree with your ideology.
September 29, 2004 - 08:08 PM on September 29th, 2004
“I don’t care if Michael Moore tells me that he saw a Pig flying around in some city…”
But the Pigs were flying
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/The_secret_saudi_052703.htm
September 29, 2004 - 08:29 PM on September 29th, 2004
shiloh wrote: “ya, boy. not only is he a coward and a traitor and a liar and weak – but now we’re makin’ fun for a bad tan. okey dokey then.”
Hey shiloh – - lighten up, this post is humorous. Plus it was your candidate who got the crappy spray on tan.
September 30, 2004 - 07:11 AM on September 30th, 2004
I hope he got his money back:wink:
September 30, 2004 - 08:24 AM on September 30th, 2004
you know what is funny… I worked at this fitness center for a while, as a masseur and when we would prepare for a bodybuilding competitions we put this stuff called pro-tan posing oil on the bodybuilders to make them look tan (not all of them are tan), and some of them get that orange look to them… I wonder? did john Kerry… Nah
September 30, 2004 - 08:39 AM on September 30th, 2004
I notice how shiloh can’t even see how superficial Kerry is. The fake, spray on tan just proves it and shiloh and Da union Goon go ballistic. How thin skinned you are. Hey, shiloh, you don’t like captialism, go to a country that doesn’t use it. Try Cuba or Vietnam.
September 30, 2004 - 09:01 AM on September 30th, 2004
re: post 21 by JSM. if we don’t consider the source, Hitler and Richard Nixon said some remarkably similar things about national security.
maybe we should reevaluate that Hitler fellow.
September 30, 2004 - 09:09 AM on September 30th, 2004
pcd – would you think some who constantly refrains “stay the course” in the face of failure
has a superficial understanding of the situation?
ideology can only take you so far until pragmatism forces you to face reality. Bush and his hawky handlers have to face reality.
the post election battles for cities we don’t control before the proposed ‘elections’ is the pragmatic reality.
the fact that they will be delayed for American political purposes is the pragmatic approach of Karl Rove who is probably running the timing of the war at this point to coincide with his boy’s chances to get re-elected.
both have a lot of ’splaining’ to do, Lucy.
our own elections
September 30, 2004 - 09:38 AM on September 30th, 2004
As shiloh so demonstrates, to the left, everything must conform to the leftist’s worldview. Facts mean nothing and must be discarded in favor of the world view. Liberal opinion, invective, and outright lies can be substituted for facts if you are a Leftist, like shiloh.
September 30, 2004 - 09:44 AM on September 30th, 2004
This opinion piece explains shiloh and Da union Goon.
Why Liberals can’t face facts
September 30, 2004 - 09:54 AM on September 30th, 2004
I don’t know whether to applaud Shiloh at his first overt attempt at honesty or to shake my head at the implications.
Considering the fact that Moore references have surfaced in what was initially what one would consider a Kerry-light topic (which, yes, I did not initially engage in due to my own FTNs, or fake tan nightmares), and have really served as a massive OT-jumping point for the typical distractors, it somehow seems appropriate. I personally believe Hitler would be an enormous fan of Michael Moore and his method of “documentary” were he alive today.
September 30, 2004 - 09:55 AM on September 30th, 2004
pcd – generalizing and categorizing the ‘left’ that does this or that may be convenient, but put yourself in the left’s shoes for a sec.
if i tried to lump the ‘right’ into some particular mode of behaviour, i would be castigated to the point where the current criticism towards me would seem a love fest.
(& i certainly could characterize certain fringe behaviours)
September 30, 2004 - 09:58 AM on September 30th, 2004
PCD — while this is another veering topic, I have to say this article does hit home and explain quite a bit on this topic! Thanks so much for bringing it to my attention!
Here’s the best part so far:
September 30, 2004 - 10:00 AM on September 30th, 2004
Hmmmmmm…perhaps I should go back to ignoring DG and Shiloh again, if this is any indication:
September 30, 2004 - 10:09 AM on September 30th, 2004
“while this is another veering topic” – post33
would someone please yell at others the ‘veer’ off topic besides me.
not that i feel singled out, or anything.
September 30, 2004 - 10:18 AM on September 30th, 2004
Shiloh — I pointed it out to someone besides you and DG. I am trying to be fair here…
September 30, 2004 - 10:20 AM on September 30th, 2004
AG – re: #32/ sounds like Coulter. i don’t think she or the writer of that quote believe in the concept of the loyal opposition. it takes the concept of ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us’ into an area it was never intended to go, constitutionaly.
September 30, 2004 - 10:27 AM on September 30th, 2004
Shiloh — how is that any different from the attitude of Michael Moore? His attitude, at least to me, seems to be, “Unless you buy into my POV, your own POV is worthless and shame on you.”
Why do you insist on buying into that, yet that of Ann Coulter’s and anyone who agrees with her is null and void?
My own personal answer to that would be simply this: you agree with Michael and not with Ann (to say nothing of Dan Rather, but we won’t go there for the duration), and therefore will give all sorts of breaks to Michael and Dan you wouldn’t dream of giving Ann or anyone who agrees with her.
And that, my dear Shiloh, is the whole point of the article. So you are only serving to prove it in spades, and I imagine your answer to my question will do more of the same.
September 30, 2004 - 10:45 AM on September 30th, 2004
AG – i am not Michael Moore (trust me) & i assume you are not Ann Coulter (i can only hope)so where does that leave us?
with differing opinions, to be sure. unable to communicate? shutting out the other?
you’re an American girl & i’m an American boy. if we can’t both love our country while choosing different choices how best to guide it, the future looks bleak.
because we pronouce potato differently, we should not call the whole thing off.
September 30, 2004 - 11:05 AM on September 30th, 2004
Shiloh, you are trying to surrender the country to the socialists and dictators at the UN through Kerry who wants to do the same.
I am saying if a candidate can’t think for themself, can’t tell the truth, as Kerry has demonstrated over the decades, they are unfit for Command, let alone the Presidency.
Bush is a proven President. Kerry is a aristocrat who wants a throne, but not the responsibility, as he has demonstrated in his Senate career.
September 30, 2004 - 11:25 AM on September 30th, 2004
shiloh, so you don’t like being called the left or shown your psychotic arguing style, so what? Does the truth hurt you so badly?
September 30, 2004 - 11:44 AM on September 30th, 2004
Question: How do you tell the difference between
Democrats, Republicans and Southern Republicans?
The answer can be found by posing the following
question:
You’re walking down a deserted street with your wife
and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking
man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks
eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife,
and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are
an expert shot. You have mere seconds before hereaches
you and your family.
What do you do?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Democrat’s Answer:
Well, that’s not enough information to answer the
question! Does the man look poor or Oppressed? Have I
ever done anything to him that would inspire him to
attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think?
What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun
like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What
does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock
have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I
carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message
does this
send to society and to my children? Is it possible
he’d be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely
want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound
me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my
family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I
call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to
raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a
happier, healthier street that
would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!
I need to debate this with some friends for a few days
and try to come
to a consensus.
Republican’s Answer:
BANG!
Southern Republican’s Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG! *click*
Daughter: “Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the
Winchester Silver Tips?
September 30, 2004 - 11:46 AM on September 30th, 2004
pcd – i am a liberal, always have been. i am left of center & have never denied it. an objective observer, matching my ‘arguing style’ with yours,
would have a lot of red pencil marks all over both of us, i do believe.
September 30, 2004 - 12:48 PM on September 30th, 2004
Anticiiiiiiiiiiiiipation
It’s debate night. I’ve been looking forward to this throughout this entire election process — they are as exciting to me as the Super Bowl, believe it or not. Hmm…unless the Packers are in the Super Bowl, then the debates would run a VERY close…
September 30, 2004 - 01:06 PM on September 30th, 2004
shiloh, you want those monkeys going over your posts??? You have tried to come off as an open minded person, but your mind is as closed as the grave. You are not an objective observer and have been told so many times. You really fit the article I posted. Bush hating is almost a religion to you.
September 30, 2004 - 01:29 PM on September 30th, 2004
pcd, Bush represents the ideology i hate. the person in the office is interchangeable. Cheney fits the bill etc
September 30, 2004 - 02:17 PM on September 30th, 2004
Finally, a bit of truth from shiloh. This is a religious argument for shiloh. Bush frustrates his goal of socialistic nirvana where deposed capitalists work to provide shiloh a kennedy like life of comfort and ease.
September 30, 2004 - 02:38 PM on September 30th, 2004
shiloh, basicly, you aren’t open minded and aren’t open to anything that doesn’t further you goals.
September 30, 2004 - 02:38 PM on September 30th, 2004
ya know, i’ve been wondering why, after all the fun times we’ve had elevating the discourse here, why no one has asked me what i think your ideology is. hey, maybe i have it all wrong. maybe you do.
okay, i’ll start. yours is fundamentaly about cheap labor.
your turn.
September 30, 2004 - 02:46 PM on September 30th, 2004
pcd – would you call yourself open-minded to priciples that are left of center?
September 30, 2004 - 02:48 PM on September 30th, 2004
Who would make a worse President? Al Gore or Senator Kerry?
September 30, 2004 - 03:11 PM on September 30th, 2004
Zelda, if you put Bush on that list in post #50 – i’ll take him. the other two are toss-ups. ya never know till the bananas hit the fan
September 30, 2004 - 03:39 PM on September 30th, 2004
Wow, shiloh, Zelda asks a straightforward question and you STILL manage to throw Bush in there.
I am starting to think you have a thing for Bush. Hidden closet love.:razz:
September 30, 2004 - 03:47 PM on September 30th, 2004
K- one of the things i have for Bush isThe Bush administration is supporting a provision in the House leadership’s intelligence reform bill that would allow U.S. authorities to deport certain foreigners to countries where they are likely to be tortured or abused, an action prohibited by the international laws against torture the United States signed 20 years ago.
more
stuff like that, not to turn your smile upside down.:sad: (that’s the 1st and hopefully the last time i used a face)
sad is how some of the things the president does makes me feel
September 30, 2004 - 03:49 PM on September 30th, 2004
First of all, I’d personally prefer having the figure of Ann Coulter to having the figure of Michael Moore, lol, but that’s neither here nor there.
Second of all, Shiloh, please try to act like the smart person you seem to see yourself as and try not to stretch my posts into something so incredibly ridiculous if you can. I was talking about the people we support, and the people to whom we object because — let’s face it — we both support the people we agree with and object to the ones we disagree with.
In other words, I’m trying to point out that, as usual, you are guilty of the very behavior we exercise that you condemn.
Then prove it by admitting that your views are not superior to ours, and that you are by no means superior to us and that you are not trying to talk down to anyone. That’s the only way I will believe you on this.
Oh, and don’t be so quick to eschew the likes of Ann Coulter and Newsmax. In other words, try to treat the opposition in the manner you’re trying to encourage me to treat the opposition.
You know, I absolutely crack up at liberal publications that insist that there is a problem with people who insist on reading “biased” information with no opposing viewpoints, such as this blog as no small example. Is the implication supposed to be that these publications and sources are completely unbiased and balanced?
Puh-leeze!
If this were the case, USA Today would have published Ann Coulter’s coverage of the DNC, because they wouldn’t have had a problem with her opposing view. Wouldn’t they?
September 30, 2004 - 04:05 PM on September 30th, 2004
AG – i was attempting to convey the fact i don’t subscribe to any set agenda. i have voted for Republicans in the past. extremists on both ends of the political spectrum (in which i include both Moore and Coulter) are cartoonish figures that are creatures of pop culture more than anything serious. i am not all one thing that is against all of the other thing. issue by issue. stone by stone, foundations are built slowly and thoughtfully. i love justice and i’m sure you do, too.
September 30, 2004 - 04:45 PM on September 30th, 2004
53 – “certain foreigners” you say. i think you mean to say “non-U.S. citizens who are suspected of having links to terrorist organizations.” little different, wouldn’t you think? should we send them to montana instead or get them out of our country????
September 30, 2004 - 04:55 PM on September 30th, 2004
c’mon K – we just need to obey the laws we signed up to obey. torture does go on – we do it, evidently. suspicion is not proof & if there’s no proof, we have a mechanism to deal with that fact – it’s called innocence and freedom. we should live by the principles we say we’re fighting for. i don’t think terrorists would be 2 successful in Montana. pretty sure we have more fire power than they do.
September 30, 2004 - 05:20 PM on September 30th, 2004
Justice I am fine with. I’m not so sure about your definition of the word, however, whatever that may be, and am not going to allow you to influence my way of thinking or twist it into something I would never say in a million years.
I also sincerely hope this isn’t going to be an excuse for you to ever-so-cleverly change the subject into a zillion more “Bush is a moron because of Iraq”-phrases I will be more than happy to ignore with impunity, as I have blatantly ignored the others.
I still find it odd that you claim to subscribe to neither side (which of course only makes you a great compromiser in my sight), yet find the need to castigate everyone on the right side. If you truly subscribe to neither “extreme” side, as you call it, when do you plan to lecture, say, DG in the same manner that you lecture the rest of us?
September 30, 2004 - 05:40 PM on September 30th, 2004
shiloh – are you going to watch the debate? do you have a tv in your log cabin?
September 30, 2004 - 05:49 PM on September 30th, 2004
57. we need to follow the laws, but terrorists don’t?
September 30, 2004 - 06:00 PM on September 30th, 2004
American Girl – you give me more credit than i deserve. what you see is what you get. i am not diabolical. no master plan. when something strikes me i am either reactive or proactive.
September 30, 2004 - 06:06 PM on September 30th, 2004
K – yes – i have c-span (no crawl at the bottom of the screen – so i can’t follow the scott petersen trial while i watch – the sacrifices i have to make) and yes we have to follow the law ’cause if we don’t we are no longer the light on a hill – we’ve sunk to a level where there is nothing but loss.
September 30, 2004 - 06:26 PM on September 30th, 2004
city on the hill, light on the hill, whateva. reagan you ain’t.
September 30, 2004 - 06:36 PM on September 30th, 2004
he had it right in priciple, tho. i actually met him when he was governor of California. i was woeking at a hotel in Eureka and he was gonna speak to the Rotarians or somebody, and he got out of the limo and just kept on getting out – a tall man. quite a wrinkled face even back then.
his makeup people in the ’80’s were geniuses.
anywayni shook his hand. i was makin’ some money back in those days and he was makin sense to me,economicaly. but socially,…. why don’t i just stop here.
September 30, 2004 - 07:05 PM on September 30th, 2004
I see. Hence the reason you fail to see how you yourself could be guilty of the very types of behavior you criticize, be they by politicians or posters such as us?
I don’t know exactly what your game is, Shiloh, but the fact is that you’ve given me no reason whatsoever to trust you. I’m suspicious you’re trying to sweet-talk me into admitting something, and all of this “neither reactive nor proactive”-stuff is just your way of trying to sucker me into your way of thinking somehow.
Otherwise, you would just let the topic drop and back off to give me enough time to cool off rather than delving into your excessive protestations.
September 30, 2004 - 09:26 PM on September 30th, 2004
Forgot to mention the fact that, if you consider yourself to be a so-called moderate, I can’t say that I am very comfortable with that. After all, Bill Clinton was supposedly a moderate Democrat, which I personally think is BS…and extraordinarily dangerous for a nation up against terrorism.
Have I heard that Bush has gotten a more moderate administration rather than a conservative administration? Yes, I have. Do I approve? Not 100%. But the alternative, which we will wind up with if we don’t wind up with Bush, is too flippy for my liking, and not someone I feel I can trust.
October 1, 2004 - 12:45 PM on October 1st, 2004
on a lighter note, he didn’t look so orange last night.
January 15, 2009 - 01:33 AM on January 15th, 2009
Generally I do not post on blogs, but I would like to say that this post really forced me to do so! really nice post.