Evidently that’s true because he won a gubernatorial primary, gubernatorial election, Presidential primary and two Presidential elections. Competition, evidently kills him as he has not lost a public election.

Don’t let the facts hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

While I refuse to resort to the low brow tactic of stereotyping that you seem to love to resort to, I will say one thing: conservatives are not the only hypocrites on this board.

All these Bush apologists are really sad…but they have to rationalize and justify their very stupid votes. Apparently a conservative would rather seriously hurt America’s credibility, economy and even national security rather than admit they made a mistake yet they wrap themselves up in our flag at every opportunity, claiming to be patriots! Amazing, the delusions and defense mechanisms hypocrites can employ but usually their strategy is attack, attack, attack to keep the dialogue from being about themselves.

i would then bring along a book with tons of facts and quotes from him and start the blood letting.

Okay, the property taxes are a bit high, you have about 1,000 fewer lakes there than here, you can’t drive there if you don’t know where you’re going, and I don’t understand how one walks around, face buried in a boat of fried cheese curds.

Anyway, the details of the debate negotiations are about as lengthy as some of the celebrity venue riders that can be found at The Smoking Gun. Some of the particulars I bet the candidates don’t even know about — the handlers are doing that. Every debate I can recall always has some talking heads going on about how presidential this one looks or how short that one is. Gore looked too orange, they showed his bald spot. Bush is only 5′ 11″ and he’s not a good public speaker. If we want to be that shallow (apologies in advance) let’s have them all parade around Speedos and high heels.

Now that I’ve stopped laughing…

I would rather there be debates than not. Here in Michigan, John Engler was being challenged by Geoffrey Fieger. Fieger beat out a number of high profile Dems including former gov. Jim Blanchard. But Fieger spent so much time personally attacking Engler’s weight, wife and kids, that when it came down it, Engler said there will be no debates; Fieger had gotten enough free airtime with personal and familial, attacks and he wasn’t going to willingly subject himself to it.

Fieger lost badly in that election.

I admit it all, although embarrassing.

I moved though!

And I think you meant Minnesota (I grew up there).

It was Minnesota? I thought it was Massachusetts!

Well, it was the state where this candidate (whose name I can’t remember now, aside from the fact that he was a Democrat) had the plane crash, and Mondale at the last minute substituted for him in the race. I remember that Jean Carnahan stumped for him at the time…

Kerry’s going to lie and there is no truth detector to go off and tell the audience that he lied again.

Blogflash PCD – they’re both going to lie, or at the very least, stretch the truth just as far as they think they can without getting caught. It is, after all, politics isn’t it?

Are you really (really) sure you want both of them hooked up to lie detectors K? Might be some nasty surprises in there for ya… and if even if there wasn’t – both sides would just mutter about how the other guy(tm) was such a good liar that the detectors couldn’t even pick it up.

The whole temperature of the hall thing is pretty funny to – what’s the big deal? Bush demanded the height of the podiums to be exactly ‘x’ inches tall… which is stranger? Yeah, yeah, I know – not the same thing at all.

I would have been truly disappointed if someone hadn’t brought up the horrid liberal media bias – did none of you catch Krugman over at the NYT? According to him the cable stations are basically gonna declare Bush the winner before either of them opens their yop: because of the conservative bias don’t ‘cha know.

It’s live theatre, a political stage show – nothing more, anybody expecting anything more than that is going to be really disappointed. Anybody who sees more than that probably should have their voting rights revoked… along with their right to drive a motor vehicle.