CIA Authenticates Tape
The CIA and FBI late Wednesday authenticated a disturbing new al Qaeda videotape which warns the next terror attack will dwarf 9/11.
“The streets will run with blood,” and “America will mourn in silence” because they will be unable to count the number of the dead, a man claims on the video.
Further claims on the video: America has brought this on itself for electing George Bush who has made war on Islam by destroying the Taliban and making war on Al Qaeda.
ABCNEWS obtained the tape from a source in Waziristan, Pakistan over the weekend. The network has withheld airing it, initially citing concerns over its authenticity.
One senior federal official alleged ABCNEWS is now holding back from broadcasting any portion of the video out of fear it will be seen as a political move by the network during election week.
Was it Michael Moore who said, “There is no terrorist threat”?
I think it was Senator John Kerry who said the threat of terrorism is greatly exaggerated.
The murderous, psychotic terrorists want Kerry to win. Kerry is their man, and for good reason. They are looking forward to a Kerry win — 4 years of appeasement. 4 years of allowing the UN to make national security decisions for the United States. Of course they want Bush out of office!
Bush has taken a hard stance against terrorism. He has laid his plan and stood his ground – - even against popular opinion, for the security of this nation. Terrorism is not tolerated. We don’t negotiate with terrorists. So of course the terrorists want Bush out of office.
All the more reason to vote for Bush on Tuesday!
Update: ABC withheld portions of the tape from the CIA
ABCNEWS withheld portions of an alarming new al Qaeda videotape which warns the next terror attack will dwarf 9/11 from the feds when they submitted the video for analysis, a top federal source tells the DRUDGE REPORT.
ABC strongly denies the charge.
The CIA and FBI late Wednesday authenticated the tape, federal sources tell DRUDGE.
ABCNEWS has been informed of the government’s standing.
“What took place on September 11 was but the opening salvo of the global war on America and that our Lord willing, the magnitude and ferocity of what is coming your way will make you forget all about September 11,” the man, whose face is covered by a headdress, warns in the video. “After decades of American tyranny, now it’s your turn to die.”
ABCNEWS submitted portions of the video threat to the FBI and CIA on Monday for analysis, top government sources tell DRUDGE, after obtaining the tape from a source in Pakistan.
A top goverment source said from Washington that ABC withheld the final 15 minutes of the tape from the feds — the portion of the tape where the man warns of retribution for Americans electing Bush and Cheney.
“The FBI did not see the last 15 mins,” the source claims.
Is ABC harboring terrorists over there in their studios??
October 28, 2004 - 12:05 PM on October 28th, 2004
As I said yesterday about this, how can they fault the American people for electing Bush BEFORE he went to war??? Does this make sense?
How do we think this will impact next Tuesday?
October 28, 2004 - 12:35 PM on October 28th, 2004
I think it was the muslim extremist who brought this war on themselves when they bombed our embassies in Tarzania and Kenya, when they bombed the Kobhar Towes in Saudi Arabia, the 93 WTC, the USS Cole and of course, 9/11.
This tape, however, is a joke. I’ve seen a small part of it. Who is this guy on the tape with the mask? Where was Bin Laden or any of Al queda’s known leaders? Why did the terrorist on the tape say “Don’t vote for Bush or America will be attacked”?
Whatever. Sounds like a new Moveon.org scare tactic to me. To quote Al “the Whiner” Gore: ” They’re playing on our fears!!!”
BUT if it turns out that this tape is authentic, then that just PROVES that Al Queda has, in fact, cast thier vote for JOHN FORBES KERRY as their choice as President of Western Culture, oppressors of muslims and infedels to the holy land.
Praise be to Ahllah.:twisted:
October 28, 2004 - 12:37 PM on October 28th, 2004
That one ‘ll piss a bunch of you guys off
October 28, 2004 - 12:39 PM on October 28th, 2004
good one, snatcheroo. the guy looks a little like the center fielder for the sox. can’t think of his name off-hand. (not accusing, of course):neutral:
October 28, 2004 - 12:48 PM on October 28th, 2004
Am I really supposed to be scared of one nut on tape making threats behind a mask?
October 28, 2004 - 12:52 PM on October 28th, 2004
No one said you have to be afraid, Zelda – - but to be aware is necessary – - no sense for someone to go around with their head in the clouds
October 28, 2004 - 12:54 PM on October 28th, 2004
“The Streets Will Flow With The Blood Of The Unbelievers!”
Beavis from Beavis and Butthead
October 28, 2004 - 12:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
Yeah, we wouldn’t want that to happen.
October 28, 2004 - 12:58 PM on October 28th, 2004
Apparently since you have to quote B&B you have no other points on this topic and show your complete lack of concern of what one terrorist who represents thousands is capable of doing – -
October 28, 2004 - 01:11 PM on October 28th, 2004
I dont see anything here about Al Qaeda supporting Kerry. Bush is a great thing for Al Qaeda he gave them a new home in Iraq where they could steal all the explosives they want, his crusade has caused Al Qaeda recruitment to go through the roof, I’m sure Al Qaeda loves Bush they get to attack the US and Bush will just attack a different country.
October 28, 2004 - 01:15 PM on October 28th, 2004
Actually I’d think the terrorists love Bill Clinton and those he supports (Kerry/Edwards) because when Clinton was in office the WTC was bombed as was the USS Cole and other points throughout the globe Clinton did nothing – - so who do the terrorists want in office? Kerry/Edwards.
October 28, 2004 - 01:16 PM on October 28th, 2004
Click here for video
October 28, 2004 - 01:16 PM on October 28th, 2004
I guess we just have very different perspectives on the threat of terrorist attacks and the best way to counter the threat.
I think that the threat has been overblown. Especially when compared to the threats of everyday life.
October 28, 2004 - 01:18 PM on October 28th, 2004
If the threat of terrorism has been overblown then you should tell all those families who have lost loved ones and are still losing loved ones – - be that by beheading, car bomb, suicde bomb or whatever other means. Also don’t forget the school children in Russia – - I’m sure their parents would disagree with you.
October 28, 2004 - 01:19 PM on October 28th, 2004
Always going back to Clinton huh? I know he was the last ELECTED president but he is still an ex-president, why do you guys always have to go back to Clinton? You continously use Clinton to avoid talking about Bush and his failed policies. Clinton isn’t running give it up!
October 28, 2004 - 01:19 PM on October 28th, 2004
It would take us about five minutes or even less to make a video of that sort about Kerry, Alias – - where are the facts???
October 28, 2004 - 01:20 PM on October 28th, 2004
1100 mothers would still have their sons today if things had been handled differently. Terrorism is on the rise due to Bush’s incompetence.
October 28, 2004 - 01:20 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias, I pointed out Clinton for all the obvious reasons – - and even though you disagree you jump to his defense every single time – - now that’s an interesting point.
Fact: Clinton is supporting Kerry – - birds of a feather.
October 28, 2004 - 01:21 PM on October 28th, 2004
ok you’ve got 5 minutes… GO!
October 28, 2004 - 01:21 PM on October 28th, 2004
You apparently want Saddam to be back in power and hey why not let Osama sit by his side, right?
Our military is voluntary – - these people signed their names on their contracts and knew it was to protect the US here and abroad – - that is what they are doing.
October 28, 2004 - 01:22 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias my time is worth more than that. If you want to know about Kerry why not check out his twenty year Senate record
October 28, 2004 - 01:22 PM on October 28th, 2004
Iran is supporting Bush -birds of a feather
October 28, 2004 - 01:24 PM on October 28th, 2004
So because they signed their lives away Bush should recklessly throw them in harms way without proper planning, for the united states of halliburton?
October 28, 2004 - 01:25 PM on October 28th, 2004
I live in Toronto are you saying that Iran hasn’t publically stated bush is their man?
October 28, 2004 - 01:27 PM on October 28th, 2004
With Iran changing their opinion and stating they have not seen anything good come from democrats that shows just how bad Kerry/Edwards would be not only for the US, but also for the world.
Fact: The White House said it is not an endorsement they will be accepting any time soon.
October 28, 2004 - 01:28 PM on October 28th, 2004
GW did not “throw” our military in harms way – - not for the US and especially not for Halliburton – - why are you so afraid of Iraq becoming liberated?
October 28, 2004 - 01:29 PM on October 28th, 2004
Iran did not state Bush was their man – - they said “nothing good ever comes from democrats”
October 28, 2004 - 01:34 PM on October 28th, 2004
Re:14
Okay Reilly, you are always asking for the facts, well here are some.
*Here is a comparison of certain causes of death in the US, averaged over an 11-year period (1990-2001):
Deaths per year:
Auto accidents 42,000
Homicide 20,000
Weather-related 611
Fall from a ladder 317
Fall/drown in bathtub 312
Terrorism 287
It is terrible that people are killed by terrorists, but let’s keep things in perspective
*How Likely Are You to Be Killed by Terrorists?
October 28, 2004 - 01:37 PM on October 28th, 2004
Iran endorses Bush for president
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) – The head of Iran’s security council said Tuesday the re-election of President George W. Bush would be in Tehran’s best interests, despite the administration’s axis of evil label, accusations Iran harbours al-Qaida terrorists and threats of sanctions over the country’s nuclear ambitions. source
October 28, 2004 - 01:37 PM on October 28th, 2004
It’s a good thing you are aware of all those things that are hazzardous to your health, Zelda – - just as you should be aware of terrorism.
The stats you shared are good ones – - however let’s think about possibilities – - and this isn’t a scare tactic, but rather a possibility.
How many people can be murdered by a nuclear device launched by terrorists?
October 28, 2004 - 01:38 PM on October 28th, 2004
They stated it is in their best interest – - because the dems do nothing good. They did not say as you said that “Bush is their man”
October 28, 2004 - 01:41 PM on October 28th, 2004
well so far Iraq hasn’t been liberated it’s being occupied and people are still being tortured. what makes you think you can deliver democracy with bombs? I think the latest polls show 86% of Iraqi’s dont support the US invasion.
October 28, 2004 - 01:42 PM on October 28th, 2004
while this has been amusing it is time for me to get off of here for a bit – - see you all later
October 28, 2004 - 01:44 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias, sovereignty hasn’t been proclaimed and handed over? I would think the PM would disagree with you on this as am I.
October 28, 2004 - 01:45 PM on October 28th, 2004
So Al Qaeda says that Bush started this war and you immediately jump on an Al Qaeda endorsement of Kerry but when Iran picks Bush because they dont like democrats it’s not an endorsement for Bush. Thats quite hypocritical.
October 28, 2004 - 01:47 PM on October 28th, 2004
Mofidi added: “Democrats usually insist on human rights and they will have more excuses to pressure Iran.”
Looks like you have something incommon with Iran you both hate democrats
October 28, 2004 - 01:51 PM on October 28th, 2004
Don’t kid your self Iraq isn’t sovereign thats like getting my girlfriend to touch my shoulders with a knife and start calling me a knight.
October 28, 2004 - 01:57 PM on October 28th, 2004
Repubs keep throwing out the attack of the USS Cole and that Clinton did nothing about it.
The fact is, the Cole attack happened less than 30 days before the 2000 election. Bush was given a laid out plan of response.
Bush blames Clinton for not responding, but what did Bush do?
Bush did nothing in response. NOTHING — until 9/11.
Bush failed.
October 28, 2004 - 02:00 PM on October 28th, 2004
Dont forget that after 9/11 he tried everything he could stop a full investigation into what happened. Maybe he didn’t want people to see how his incompetence and constant vacations got in the way of fighting terrorism.
October 28, 2004 - 02:03 PM on October 28th, 2004
That’s impossible, Bush can’t think of any mistakes that he has made.
October 28, 2004 - 02:07 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias, I find it ironic that Iran is saying that nothing good can come from democrats, because it was a democrat that allowed the Iyatollah to come to power.
One Former President James Earl Carter, Jr.
He turned his back on the Shah of Iran and would not help them out during the revolt. when previously Iran had been a staunch ally.
although, I do agree with Iran on their statement…
October 28, 2004 - 02:09 PM on October 28th, 2004
the reason that bush didn’t want the 9/11 commission, buckethead, is because he wanted to keep it in congress because he didn’t want highly classified intelligence methods being leaked… get your facts straight Aliass.
October 28, 2004 - 02:11 PM on October 28th, 2004
dg, it’s kind of hard to act as president when your soreloserman of an opponent keeps trying to cheat the electorate and sue for votes… so you have no transition period in which to set up your cabinet to do your job…
October 28, 2004 - 02:16 PM on October 28th, 2004
gotta go… Peace.
Bush/Cheney ‘04 VOTE nov 2nd!
October 28, 2004 - 02:23 PM on October 28th, 2004
42 – madbarr, i can’t believe we constantly have to bring that up to these people…do they WANT out intelligence shared with the terrorists? hopefully with maps to where dg and alias live…
October 28, 2004 - 02:26 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias, browsing thru your threads on this collumn, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are the most naive person on this site.
October 28, 2004 - 02:29 PM on October 28th, 2004
comming from you Snatch thanx. That means in the real world I’m the most knowledgable person on this sight.
October 28, 2004 - 02:29 PM on October 28th, 2004
If the terrorists are sooooooo misguided and misunderstood and it’s Bush and all of his right wing fanatic friends that cause all civil unrest in the world, why don’t you head up the humanitarian efforts in Iraq.
You’ll see how much those terrorists appreciate your support by cutting off your head.
Get.
A.
CLUE.
October 28, 2004 - 02:30 PM on October 28th, 2004
47- it’s “coming”, and “site”, oh educated one.
October 28, 2004 - 02:31 PM on October 28th, 2004
Before you guys attacked them that probably wouldn’t be such a bad idea.
October 28, 2004 - 02:32 PM on October 28th, 2004
hehe thanx for the spell check K we all make mistakes. Well except for Bush that is.
October 28, 2004 - 02:32 PM on October 28th, 2004
No really, Alias, Al Queda isn’t a bunch of bad guys. No it’s not their fault. I guess Osama Bin Laden just needs a big ol’ hug.
Yeah, you poor terrorist. Big bad ol’ Bush is such a bully. I know……
KABOOOOM!!!!!!!
October 28, 2004 - 02:35 PM on October 28th, 2004
If you want to remain a sheep, Alias, you go right ahead. My eyes are wide fuckin open to who the real enemies of America are and in turn, you will be hunted like a sheep.
October 28, 2004 - 02:37 PM on October 28th, 2004
I know you like to avoid the facts at all costs snatch but let me remind you that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before you invaded, Saddam and Osama hated each other. So I still stand by my statement that volunteering to do humanitarian aid in Iraq before the invasion would’ve been a good thing. Or are you against helping poor starving people?
October 28, 2004 - 02:41 PM on October 28th, 2004
I’m not against it but you need to talk to you’re mother country France about taking away from the starving Iraqi people.
Talk about hypocritical.
October 28, 2004 - 02:43 PM on October 28th, 2004
And to correct you, I do listen to the FACTS, not the LEFT WING FICTION you like to drop in here.
October 28, 2004 - 02:46 PM on October 28th, 2004
So, you would do Humanitarian aid in Iraq BEFORE coalition forces came to play. What about now?
Afraid the terrorists we’ll get you and cut off your head?
They’re not so nice anymore are they?
October 28, 2004 - 02:51 PM on October 28th, 2004
Yes I am afraid of going to the terrorist haven that you guys have created in Iraq I’m not arguing that terrorists are something to not be afraid of and they should be dealt with but the methods of dubya are only making the problem worse.
Maybe you should open a history book because France is not Canada’s mother country.
October 28, 2004 - 02:53 PM on October 28th, 2004
Here’s the bottom line, Alias:
You are a globalist, blame America first, terrorist appeasing bleeding heart liberal. You keep your head in the sand like an ostrich, coming up for air just to bitch and complain about those that are doing everything they can to keep your dumbass from being blown up but you refuse to acknowledge the threat that faces us every moment and you’re sensitivity does nothiing but perpetuates that threat.
You don’t get it and probably won’t get it until the Gihad is kicking down your fucking door.
Wake the fuck up, Alias. You’re world may be perfect on paper but life isn’t lived on paper.
Peace be with you, Liberal.
October 28, 2004 - 02:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
Blame America first, right Alias?
October 28, 2004 - 02:56 PM on October 28th, 2004
The problem with your arguements snatch is that Iraq was not helping terrorism before it was invaded. Saddam and Osama hated each other. You’ve actually introduced terrorists to Iraq and I dont blame them for moving to that country either. Dubya gave them a nice all you can eat explosives buffet. Bush has facilitated Al Qaeda in gaining weapons from Iraq. It’s kind of ironic because thats the threat he used to scare the country into supporting the war.
October 28, 2004 - 02:57 PM on October 28th, 2004
Blind faith for your president huh snatch?
October 28, 2004 - 02:58 PM on October 28th, 2004
madbarr
You really need a history lesson. You have no understanding of Iran, the Shah, the Ayatollah and the US.
“Any analysis of America’s position in the Middle East would be incomplete without a thorough understanding of the U.S. role in overthrowing Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, the democratically elected and revered Prime Minister who nationalized Iran’s oil. In “All The Shah’s Men“, Stephen Kinzer revisits Operation Ajax, the 1953 CIA-sponsored coup that ousted Mossadegh and returned the Shah to power. Though not forgotten in Iran, the 1953 coup has sadly faded from memory in the United States. It is, therefore, refreshing and timely for Kinzer to provide a highly readable account of America’s first intervention in Middle Eastern affairs, a coup d’état that may be at the root of the terrorist threats America faces today. This book implicitly argues that the Eisenhower administration’s Cold War mentality caused an error in judgment with tremendously negative long-term ramifications for U.S. policy.”
October 28, 2004 - 02:58 PM on October 28th, 2004
Did you forget we went into Afganistan first?
October 28, 2004 - 03:04 PM on October 28th, 2004
Afghanistan, I support and believe was the right thing to do. The terroists that planned and carried out 9/11 were being protected there. Iraq has done nothing but hinder the efforts in Afghanistan now the taliban is regaining power because crucial resources are being redirected to Iraq.
October 28, 2004 - 03:08 PM on October 28th, 2004
Let me ask you this, if 9/11 would not have happened, or any terrorist attack during Bush’s time, how would you feel about him then?
And if 9/11 had happened on Al Gore’s watch, which according to you, SHOULD have happened since Bush “stole the election” – would you hate Al Gore too? Or would he have been able to form a coalition of treehuggers to fight the terrorists?
October 28, 2004 - 03:08 PM on October 28th, 2004
aside from the military and foreign affairs events
initiated by Bush, can someone tell me the single most convincing reason to vote for him regarding domestic accomplishments and agenda?
October 28, 2004 - 03:09 PM on October 28th, 2004
66 – if 9/11 had not happened, i would be asking the question in #67
October 28, 2004 - 03:12 PM on October 28th, 2004
well I don’t know what my thoughts on Bush would have been without 9/11 because I dont have anything to judge him on.
I truly believe that if Gore was president that there would have been a far greater chance of 9/11 being stopped and if it still had taken place he probably would have caught Osama instead of ‘not worrying about him’ like Bush and heading in guns blazing to Iraq.
October 28, 2004 - 03:17 PM on October 28th, 2004
If Bush hadn’t gone into Iraq and the UN was still watching them and inspecting and Bush had managed to capture Bin Laden would you feel safer today?
October 28, 2004 - 03:17 PM on October 28th, 2004
Shiloh.
I’ll give you a reason to vote for the President.
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
TAX CUTS
you get it yet?????
October 28, 2004 - 03:18 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike – what happened to the mike kilo of civil debate? you’ve shown yourself more savvy than 70.
good afternoon to you.
October 28, 2004 - 03:19 PM on October 28th, 2004
oh great ‘burn the brown people’ nazi-mike is back what racist idiotic rambling do you have for us today? Or are you too busy fucking your sister to rant?
October 28, 2004 - 03:19 PM on October 28th, 2004
alias,
no, because then Haliburton wouldn’t have been able to enrich itself and we wouldn’t be spilling blood for oil…right? You fucking wacko.
October 28, 2004 - 03:20 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike, what about deficts and unemployment and health care and schools falling apart and poverty and corporate pollution and, ya know, all the other problems that don’t seem to be addressed by tax cuts?
October 28, 2004 - 03:20 PM on October 28th, 2004
shiloh…
all I see above are more bullshit Michael Moore talking points..what do you expect???
October 28, 2004 - 03:23 PM on October 28th, 2004
Shiloh
Education is falling apart because of Teachers Unions….. deficits and surpluses are meaningless.. they are merely accounting manipulations of the GAO….
Tax cuts have NOTHING to do with employment, surpluses, deficits, etc. It is a philosphical debate over the power and scope of government. The government is able to do NOTHING cheaper or more efficiently than the private sector…and the only way to starve this beast is through…..you guessed it….FUCKING TAX CUTS.
October 28, 2004 - 03:24 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike, moore is not the liberal standard bearer. painting everyone center & left with the ‘michael moore’ brush might be too much of an umbrella condemnation.
policies are more than conservative and michael moore.
i think there may be some fringe conservatives you may not want to be bunched in with.
October 28, 2004 - 03:24 PM on October 28th, 2004
lOOK AT THE LIST OF JOHN F. SIMOES FERIERRA HEINZ KENNEDY KERRY SUPPORTERS.
SHIT LOH
CHER
AL SHARPTON
AL QAEDA
PLO
NORTH KOREA
FIDEL CASTRO
FRANCE
….need I really say more????
October 28, 2004 - 03:26 PM on October 28th, 2004
It’s a rare, rare thing that I’ll come in here and moderate/delete comments on any thread. I fully appreciate the debate on both sides – - no matter how heated it gets. My tolerance it huge, if you haven’t noticed.
As it stands right now, I’ve deleted one comment and moderated (and will not approve) two comments. You know who you are, people… grow the hell up or you’re just not welcome here, ok?
October 28, 2004 - 03:26 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias, when i try to become a peacemaker on this site, something is seriously wrong. it’s not my style, but this is going down the tubes just like yesterday and you shouldn’t play that game.
love, Ghandi
October 28, 2004 - 03:27 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias…please don’t kill yourself next wednesday when you wake up to president Bush having been re-elected…. the world needs morons, too.
I don’t want to bomb brown people…just muslims.
October 28, 2004 - 03:29 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike, i asked you yesterday and didn’t get an answer. after all the Muslims are dead, is the war on ‘terror’ over?
October 28, 2004 - 03:30 PM on October 28th, 2004
should be….that should do it!!!!
what a dream world that would be.
October 28, 2004 - 03:30 PM on October 28th, 2004
Good grief, mike – that is so ignorant.
October 28, 2004 - 03:31 PM on October 28th, 2004
but of course, in shiloh’s bizarre-o-world, America and President Bush are the terrorists, and brave, masked muslims who machine gun children are merely freedom fighters…right?
October 28, 2004 - 03:34 PM on October 28th, 2004
Lisa…you obviously don’t get the hyperbole of the statement.
The point I made yesterday was that after murderous muslim animals killed innocent people in the following instances
50 years in israel
1972 munich
Leon Klinghoffer
Flight 103
USS cole
US Embassies
1983 Beruit
1993 WTC
911
etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,
there comes a time when you have to take off the blinders and recognize the the source of terrorism and barbarism in the world today is………muslims.
sorry to state the obvious.
October 28, 2004 - 03:35 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike,
i think the line between ethnic cleansing and terrosim is something you should consider.
October 28, 2004 - 03:35 PM on October 28th, 2004
All Muslims, huh mike? All of them, everywhere?
Or maybe just the radical faction of them who involve themselves in terrorist acts?
October 28, 2004 - 03:36 PM on October 28th, 2004
and all of the “peaceful” muslims who REFUSE to help kill these animals…are just as much the enemy…you hear me, Saudi Arabia?
October 28, 2004 - 03:37 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias,
Problem 1: Osama is a terrorist. Terrorism is not Osama as you alude above. Do you know how to tell the difference? Kerry doesn’t.
Problem 2: Saddam has ADMITTED to paying terrorist families money for killing others.
Problem 3: The terrorists hate others. Closest location to take out that hate – the local enemy military. We have military folks there trained to handle that stuff right there and they act as a magnet for the local terrorist. Kill them over there, they won’t be over here.
October 28, 2004 - 03:38 PM on October 28th, 2004
ok, Lisa, Shiloh, et al…
Tell me when was the last time one of these alleged “peaceful muslims” walked up to a law enforcement officer, soldier, etc. and said, “Hey, you see that house over there? THere are bad men in there planning to kill people, I’m here to help you stop them.”
I’ll answer the question….NEVER.
October 28, 2004 - 03:38 PM on October 28th, 2004
one more question, mike:
i assume you’d include American Muslims as those who support the ‘war on terror’?
October 28, 2004 - 03:39 PM on October 28th, 2004
shiloh isn’t it kind of funny how we always get censored but anything the right wingers say gets to fly.
October 28, 2004 - 03:39 PM on October 28th, 2004
I think this world has learned enough hard lessons about ethnic cleansing, mike. Is Hitler your hero?
October 28, 2004 - 03:40 PM on October 28th, 2004
i mean, you do kinda sound like Germany in the 30’s and 40’s who believed just as fervently as you appear to, that once the Jews were exterminated, “what a dream world that would be’
October 28, 2004 - 03:42 PM on October 28th, 2004
ok Lisa, are we channeling?
Alias, i don’t think us lefty pinkos are the only ones censored. ask mike if all his posts have gone thru. i’m just guessing now, but probably not.
October 28, 2004 - 03:42 PM on October 28th, 2004
I’ll notice how you refuse to answer the question, but keep resorting to name calling…”nazi, ethnic cleansing, etc”
Have muslims not been perpetrating barbaric acts of terrorism on innocent people for decades?
It’s a simple question.
what were all those “peaceful Muslims” doing after 9-11…dancing in the streets, and making apologies for the terrorists.
wake up people.
October 28, 2004 - 03:43 PM on October 28th, 2004
I know your gone madbarr, but…
As far as that US lead Iranian Coup (Operation Ajax 1953, the first time the Central Intelligence Agency orchestrated a plot to overthrow a democratically elected government), you’d be surprised to know that General H. Norman Schwarzkopf father flew to Tehran on a secret mission that helped set the coup in motion.
Conspiracy? Get a history lesson… It is more inter-twined than you know.
October 28, 2004 - 03:43 PM on October 28th, 2004
Always, huh Alias? I think it’s been about a year, or better, since I’ve deleted a comment in here. You’ve been running off at the mouth all day today — I coulda deleted each one of them.
Hmm..maybe I still should?
October 28, 2004 - 03:44 PM on October 28th, 2004
jesus christ, your warped idea of political correctness and unwillingness to offend anyone under any circumstances is ENDANGERING MY LIFE AND THE LIFE OF MY FAMILY.
fUCK.
October 28, 2004 - 03:45 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias is the biggest hater, conspiracy theorist, wacko I’ve ever seen.
October 28, 2004 - 03:45 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike – are you inferring that all muslims should be wiped off the face of the earth? American Muslims? Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorist acts? How about Muslim babies and children, them too, mike?
October 28, 2004 - 03:46 PM on October 28th, 2004
& i still haven’t got an answer to #67
October 28, 2004 - 03:46 PM on October 28th, 2004
shiloh, I think we’re channeling. Now I’m scared. I think I need my blankie.
October 28, 2004 - 03:48 PM on October 28th, 2004
RE: #67 – shiloh – tax cuts, health savings plans, homeland security, homeownership – to name a few. Now, of course – that’s my opinion, mind you.
October 28, 2004 - 03:49 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike – just answer the question I asked, is all.
October 28, 2004 - 03:50 PM on October 28th, 2004
96 – mike – whatever your qustion is, it’s been blown out of the sky with a murderous racism that i know is mostly hyperbole, but it’s hyperbole that you won’t let go of, and it’s not doing you any credit.
October 28, 2004 - 03:50 PM on October 28th, 2004
I think I’ve been quite civil today or is supporting Kerry obscene?
October 28, 2004 - 03:51 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias – if you want to discuss why a comment of yours didn’t go through – - email me. I won’t discuss it further in this forum. Thanks.
October 28, 2004 - 03:52 PM on October 28th, 2004
my question is simple..
are 99% of murderous terrorists muslims?
are the “peaceful muslims” really on our side in getting rid of these animals?
can you please answer these questions??????
October 28, 2004 - 03:54 PM on October 28th, 2004
Jesus Harold Christ…you people can’t possibly be in such a state of denial as to think Muslims are not currently the enemy of the civilized world.
did anyone not see these animals machine gun children??????
Hello??????
October 28, 2004 - 03:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
“…you hear me, Saudi Arabia?”
hey mike, better get with Bush — he’s protecting them!
His lawyers (James A. Baker, III) are protecting the Saudi Royals who are being sued by the victims of 9/11 families for financing terrorists. Bush is covering 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission pretaining to Saudi involvement, and he got ‘em out of the US as soon after 9/11 as possible “for their safety.”
Bush is harbouring Saudi terrorists!
October 28, 2004 - 03:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
I dont believe his comments fit the definition of hyperbole when he then offers info supporting why his hyperbole is true it then slides into the category of racist ignorant opinions
October 28, 2004 - 03:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
I can’t deal with this anymore…. you people are so brainwashed that you truly believe the the President is more dangerous than murdering muslim animals.
oy.
October 28, 2004 - 03:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike, who are the ‘peaceful Muslims’?
October 28, 2004 - 03:56 PM on October 28th, 2004
Terrorists are, mike.
Muslims, as a whole, nope.
Example? A person who contributes quite a lot to this site is Muslim American. This person supports Bush and the war on terror. This person is a ‘peaceful’ muslim – as you call it. Would you put this person to death?
Muslim children? babies? What say you?
October 28, 2004 - 03:57 PM on October 28th, 2004
your conclusions in 113 are not supported by any comments i’ve seen
October 28, 2004 - 03:58 PM on October 28th, 2004
Lisa,
This alleged “peaceful muslim” should pick up a weapon and go to fight these savages.
October 28, 2004 - 03:59 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike why aren’t you in Iraq then?
October 28, 2004 - 03:59 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike mike mike – you’ve got right wingers disagreeing with you. personally, i’m not suprised at that, i’m just suprised about just how far right you appear to be.
October 28, 2004 - 04:00 PM on October 28th, 2004
wow mike you make it so easy. your comments just discredit anything you say
October 28, 2004 - 04:01 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike, please don’t put me in a position to defend George Bush. i can only go against type so much in a sitting.
October 28, 2004 - 04:01 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike, the compassionate conservative, praise God, then Fuck ‘em and Nuke ‘em — in the anals of history, the doctrine of the New World Order.
October 28, 2004 - 04:01 PM on October 28th, 2004
shiloh I think you mean how far wrong he is
October 28, 2004 - 04:02 PM on October 28th, 2004
Ok mike, I see. You didn’t answer the whole question, however – -would you put this person to death? What about other Muslim Americans? Muslim children/babies? Muslims who live their lives, just like you – not harming anyone.
Ignorant – I said it when you began this thread of racist hatred, and I’ll say it again – you are probably one of the most ignorant people I’ve come across in my 2 years in this forum . . and trust that is not a compliment.
October 28, 2004 - 04:02 PM on October 28th, 2004
Don’t worry Mike. I know what you mean.
October 28, 2004 - 04:03 PM on October 28th, 2004
well I’m outta here remember to vote Kerry on Nov 2nd for me!
October 28, 2004 - 04:03 PM on October 28th, 2004
Lisa – perhaps you could start a site for Very Far Right Voices.
everyone needs a home, although that might find itself on some kind of Southern Poverty Law Center watchlist
October 28, 2004 - 04:04 PM on October 28th, 2004
These Muslims don’t seem denounce these radical extremists that hide behind Islam like they should.
October 28, 2004 - 04:04 PM on October 28th, 2004
uhh, shiloh – thanks, but nah.
October 28, 2004 - 04:04 PM on October 28th, 2004
holy S@#$ I never thought I would see the day me, shiloh and lisa would be agreeing and argueing on the same side guess we do have something in common.
October 28, 2004 - 04:05 PM on October 28th, 2004
Alias, I will gladly use my vote to cancel out anybody that would vote for you.
October 28, 2004 - 04:06 PM on October 28th, 2004
& Bush’s domestic policies have been a disaster for the poor and middle class. i don’t want to list it all, ’cause you know what i’d say. my opinion.
Curt Schilling help my team win the World Series this week and i love him. now i hear he’ll be campaigning with Bush in New Hampshire, and i’m totally conflicted.
October 28, 2004 - 04:07 PM on October 28th, 2004
well thats your right and I’ll never argue you shouldn’t have it but just dont be surprised when your vote is taken away by the overlord of the united states of halliburton
October 28, 2004 - 04:07 PM on October 28th, 2004
snatch – who are ‘these muslims’?
On the contrary, I’ve seen many a Muslim, Arab American, Arab Arab, Islam Arab, person of middle eastern descent publiclly denounce the terrorists. Quite of few of the groups, quite honestly.
Gosh, I’m white and I live in the upper midwest – I’m sure glad no one puts me in the same box as Timothy McVeigh just because of the color of my skin and the location of my home.
October 28, 2004 - 04:08 PM on October 28th, 2004
mike;
what about the religious christian fanatics like you — you sound dangerous!
You sound like you’re about to strap a bomb to your ass and head for the nearest mosque!
October 28, 2004 - 04:09 PM on October 28th, 2004
I think some of us, and definently Mike Kilo are just frustrated with the way the world seems to hold President Bush accountable for everything, but guys like Saddam and Bin Laden almost get sympathy.
Is Mike extreme?
Hell yeah.
But I understand the point he’s trying to make.
Hate filled language aside, that is.
October 28, 2004 - 04:10 PM on October 28th, 2004
130 – well Alias, she’s already grabbed her blankie and i’m drinking Russian vodka, wondering what the heck i’m doing being a moderate voice. (which i always believed i was doing anyway. no comments from the peanut gallery, please)
fringe is fringe and hopefully, those here who constantly bring up Moore will realize that and come towards the center a wee bit.
October 28, 2004 - 04:11 PM on October 28th, 2004
shiloh – pass the bottle
October 28, 2004 - 04:11 PM on October 28th, 2004
136 – helo snatch – i think mike’s points, whatever credence they may have, are totally nullified by the messenger and his tone.
October 28, 2004 - 04:14 PM on October 28th, 2004
I have many muslim friends, myself, LisaS. I work with a bunch of them and we are all cool.
The problem is, that they all are voting for Kerry because they think that G.W. Bush provoked things with the terrorists by our alliance to Isreal.
Whatever.
They should be standing up for what ISLAM means, and denouncing the GIHAD.
October 28, 2004 - 04:14 PM on October 28th, 2004
Snatch – I’m frustrated with the same thing. Saddam sympathizers is what I call them. Like how it took the Dems in Congress 18 months to decide that Saddam was a threat – - but it took Kerry and his camp all of 2 seconds to say Bush was a threat based on one NYT Headline.
However — that doesn’t mean I want all Muslims killed and the world cleansed of all of them.
Good grief! Ethnic cleansing, seriously? That, alone, makes a person no better than Hitler and . . . gasp .. Saddam himself.
Answer me this – what is the difference between us and the terrorists? Could it be that we respect human life and regard it as worthy?
October 28, 2004 - 04:16 PM on October 28th, 2004
You took the words right out of my mouth, Lisa……or type….
October 28, 2004 - 04:17 PM on October 28th, 2004
Snatch – there are quite a few Americans who believe the same thing. Kill them too?
October 28, 2004 - 04:27 PM on October 28th, 2004
It just seems like this Country has no fortitude. In the eyes of Al Queda, we are a bunch of cowards. This generation hasn’t had to sacrifice like the generations before and we’ve become too complacent.
In the past, America has always shown the resolve to overcome the threats they faced, but nowadays that resolve is being tested. We’re too jaded as a nation to understand the seriousness of the situation. 9/11 was almost like a wake up call, but it appears that we’re drifting off to sleep again…and so soon.
I try to tell Alias that we need to scrape up the courage to recognize this enemy for what it is…..not to try and blame every flawed detail on those she/he disagrees with.
Thats how we will win in Iraq. Thats how we will win the war on terror. By standing united as Americans, not bipartisans.
October 28, 2004 - 04:28 PM on October 28th, 2004
I never said I agree with Mike about killing all muslims. I just pointed out that I understood his frustration.
October 28, 2004 - 04:32 PM on October 28th, 2004
Ok then, Snatch – I was just making sure
I can’t play anymore until later – dinner time. Later!
October 28, 2004 - 04:32 PM on October 28th, 2004
135: dg, he may be a fanatic, but he knows nothing about Christianity.
October 28, 2004 - 04:34 PM on October 28th, 2004
you morons keep attacking me, attacking me, attacking me
meanwhile muslim animals keep killing, killing and killing again.
and “peaceful muslims” keep doing nothing, nothing and more nothing.
prove me wrong.
October 28, 2004 - 04:35 PM on October 28th, 2004
Do you guys realize this is THE EXACT SAME discussion you got into yesterday afternoon? Is it a full moon?
October 28, 2004 - 04:35 PM on October 28th, 2004
that’s because I’m not a christian, dickhead.
October 28, 2004 - 04:37 PM on October 28th, 2004
I do sense alot of “apathy” from the muslim community as well.
We take special care not to blow up their mosques but they wouldn’t shed a tear if one of the terrorists lambasted a Christian church.
October 28, 2004 - 04:38 PM on October 28th, 2004
I’m through with you sniveling weasels.
just remember this, shitloh, alias, etc. when you vote for John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry, you are voting for the canditate who has been endorse by:
Fidel Castro
The PLO
North Korea
Al Qaeda
Al Sharpton
terrorists, anti-semites and communists everywhere…
you are in GREAT company.
October 28, 2004 - 04:38 PM on October 28th, 2004
Lisa, dinner at 4:30
??? A likely excuse to get out of this hellacious discussion!
October 28, 2004 - 04:39 PM on October 28th, 2004
More or less, K. I guess we all stick to our guns and rehash our views under different premises.
Thats what makes it fun though.
October 28, 2004 - 04:41 PM on October 28th, 2004
But I gotta run. Duty calls. I’ll drop in a thread or two manana.
October 28, 2004 - 04:41 PM on October 28th, 2004
Adios.
October 28, 2004 - 04:59 PM on October 28th, 2004
150: I know. I was helping you clarify that for someone else. Don’t forget your Seroquel.
October 28, 2004 - 06:03 PM on October 28th, 2004
i learned from yesterday’s kinda dirty feeling and waited till the madness ended.
now lets get back to me telling you why you should vote for “John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry”, coward and traitor; murderer and commie.
October 28, 2004 - 06:08 PM on October 28th, 2004
reason one – mike kilo is not voting for him
October 28, 2004 - 06:10 PM on October 28th, 2004
oh damn, shiloh, can i please take back my bush vote?
October 28, 2004 - 06:14 PM on October 28th, 2004
i cringe at the left hand nuts, too, K
October 28, 2004 - 06:15 PM on October 28th, 2004
your left hand is on your nuts? what?
October 28, 2004 - 06:15 PM on October 28th, 2004
altho i wouldn’t want a vote on this site on whether or not that’s how i’m percieved.
October 28, 2004 - 06:16 PM on October 28th, 2004
i knew when i wrote 161 that i could have worded it better. stop it.
October 28, 2004 - 06:20 PM on October 28th, 2004
October 28, 2004 - 07:57 PM on October 28th, 2004
has ted kennedy killed anyone lately???
just a question.
October 28, 2004 - 08:30 PM on October 28th, 2004
I should hope we don’t relive another 9/11! And why would ABC only turn over a portion of the tape to the CIA?
October 28, 2004 - 08:30 PM on October 28th, 2004
166 16 people. happy?
October 28, 2004 - 08:33 PM on October 28th, 2004
peejz – Israel has been reliving 9/11, in relative numbers for 56 years. shit happens.
doesn’t matter who’s in charge. that’s life in the 21st century.
October 28, 2004 - 08:55 PM on October 28th, 2004
I don’t live in Israel, I live in the USA.
October 28, 2004 - 09:00 PM on October 28th, 2004
peejz, have you noticed the world getting smaller?
October 28, 2004 - 11:41 PM on October 28th, 2004
It is terrible that people are killed by terrorists, but let’s keep things in perspective
I skipped some of the topic so this made have been said, but you know why the numbers are so low? it’s from not treating it as nothing, once you write it off as nothign to major..you have open the door for them, 9/11 showed us that the terrorists took their shot and pulled it off because..no one was ready, no one figured it could happen, look at the day it happen and the chaos.
the minute we brush off threats liek this tape, is the day we open our doors to the terrorists again.
October 28, 2004 - 11:43 PM on October 28th, 2004
shiloh
was there something in #113 that isn’t supported by the evidence? Maybe I have misunderstood post #118.
Post #113 was a response to post #90.
Confused yet? I wasn’t until I posted this…
October 28, 2004 - 11:44 PM on October 28th, 2004
and do we need new york city nuked and lose a few million before we worry over? then the umbers would be high enough over an 11 year average huh?
October 28, 2004 - 11:48 PM on October 28th, 2004
hey wally,
Who wasn’r ready?
Bush was in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 28, 2004 - 11:56 PM on October 28th, 2004
hey wally,
Who wasn’r ready?
Bush was in charge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and who was running it for 8 years while other attacks happen? who lets bin laden go? who help push the the FBI and CIA further apart? who would not even talk to the CIA? (i love the joke that the plane that crashed on the white hosue lawn was the CIA director tryign to get na appointment!)
I admit bush was not ready either, no one was, we all got a wake up call, the good thing is bush heard it and woke up, the bad part is the idiots who didn’t.
as Ron Silver said, there are 9/10 people and 9/12 people, he is a 9/12 person and now supports bush.
October 29, 2004 - 12:03 AM on October 29th, 2004
It would be nice to see the NYTimes or CBS show some of the same restraint.
October 29, 2004 - 12:22 AM on October 29th, 2004
wally
Clinton’s NSA told Bush’s NSA that al-Qaeda has declared war on the US a by attacking a US Navy vessal — the USS Cole in October 2000, less than thirty days before the presidential election. Once Bush stole the election, what did Bush do to avenge those sailors?
Nothing!!!!!!!!!
October 29, 2004 - 12:51 AM on October 29th, 2004
wally
Clinton’s NSA told Bush’s NSA that al-Qaeda has declared war on the US a by attacking a US Navy vessal—the USS Cole in October 2000, less than thirty days before the presidential election. Once Bush stole the election, what did Bush do to avenge those sailors?
Nothing!!!!!!!!!
it’s like i said, he woke up and did something and is still doing it, fools like you and kerry still live in the past..though a selective memory past i might add.
October 29, 2004 - 12:57 AM on October 29th, 2004
Bush certainly did not put justice for the Cole high on his agenda. What was high on Bush’s agenda?
October 29, 2004 - 07:41 AM on October 29th, 2004
It sure is funny how dg is to ignorant to go read the terrorism report submitted by the Clinton administration in the year 2000. He would not be making such claims if he read it.
October 29, 2004 - 08:16 AM on October 29th, 2004
peejz
the USS Cole was attacked on October 12, 2000. The presidential election was November 7, 20001. Clinton did not respond to the cole attack with only three weeks prior to the election.
Bush criticized Clinton for not responding, but what did Bush do between January and September 2001? Nothing.
So, what are you talking about? Clinton’s NSA, lead by Richard Clarke, outlined a response to Condoleeza Rice.
MR. RUSSERT: You would request this morning that it all be declassified?
MR. CLARKE: And I want more declassified. I want Dr. Rice’s testimony before the 9-11 Commission declassified, and I want the thing that the 9-11 Commission talked about in its staff report this week declassified, because there’s been an issue about whether or not a strategy or a plan or something useful was given to Dr. Rice in early January. And she says it wasn’t. So we now have the staff report of the 9-11 Commission, and it says, “On January 25th, Clarke forwarded his December strategy paper to the new national security adviser, and it proposed covert action to the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, significantly increasing CIA funding, retaliating for the USS Cole, arming the Predator aircraft, going after terrorist fund raising.”
Now, Dr. Rice has characterized this as not a plan, not a strategy, not a series of decisions which could be made right away, but warmed-over Clinton material. Let’s declassify that memo I sent on January 25th and let’s declassify the national security directive that Dr. Rice’s committee approved nine months later on September 4th, and let’s see if there’s any difference between those two, because there isn’t. And what we’ll see when we declassify what they were given on January 25th and what they finally agreed to on September 4th, is that they’re basically the same thing and they wasted months when we could have had some action.”
Richard Clarke
Meet the Press 3/28/04
October 29, 2004 - 08:40 AM on October 29th, 2004
And as I have said before, I will say again…this site has a wonderful archive system. The report, all 43,000 words of it, are within these archives. I suggest you read it and then come back to the table.
October 29, 2004 - 10:13 AM on October 29th, 2004
Where are the written records/transcripts PROVING Clarke told Rice what he claims? None. Both Clarke and Rice can be viewed as someone trying to protect their boss so I would discount both sides of the claims unless it is possible to dig further which I don’t think it is.
October 29, 2004 - 12:35 PM on October 29th, 2004
peejz
don’t you ever back up any of your claims? I look up mine — and I post ‘em.
What report are you talking about? Has it been declassified?
Read post #184.
October 29, 2004 - 01:42 PM on October 29th, 2004
Refer to the archives of 4/6/06 on this site. Clinton final papers.
October 29, 2004 - 07:34 PM on October 29th, 2004
So, Serial Rapist Billy Blowjob is back in the news again…….leading a new Kerry Constituency…Sexual predators for Kerry!
so now, Kerry has been officially endorsed by:
North Korea
Al Qaeda
Al Sharpton
Ted “oops I killed her again” Kennedy
the PLO
Fidel Castro
sexual predators, communists, Jew-haters everywhere! Kerry is your man!!!!!!
October 29, 2004 - 07:36 PM on October 29th, 2004
who are we killing today, mike?