Bin Laden Campaigns for Kerry (con’t)
So much for terrorists not caring if you’re a Democrat or a Republican.
Make note. They care.
Terrorists are pro-Kerry - including king terrorist himself, Osama Bin Laden.
Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow’s presidential race ” and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
As a side note, read about the portions of the Osama videotape that the media probably won’t report until Nov. 3rd. Apparently what you didn’t hear in regards to the Osama Bin Laden video tape released last week is the cave-dwelling terror lord talking about the setbacks al Qaeda has faced in recent months and complaining that the manhunt against him has hampered al Qaeda.
November 1, 2004 - 11:13 AM on November 1st, 2004
Well, I hope others see it that way.
November 1, 2004 - 11:28 AM on November 1st, 2004
I thought no one cared what this man has to say.
especially this site.
November 1, 2004 - 11:33 AM on November 1st, 2004
It shouldn’t come as a shock to you that murderers, rapists, sexual predators, communists, terrorists, etc. are all Kerry backers…criminals are the democratic party’s CORE F-ING CONSTITUENCY!!!
November 1, 2004 - 11:35 AM on November 1st, 2004
Wow, that’s creepy about the state by state thing. So I guess CA and NY are safe?
Weirdo.
November 1, 2004 - 11:49 AM on November 1st, 2004
Seeing as how we’ve posted about this before, Sabor – where did you get that idea?
November 1, 2004 - 11:51 AM on November 1st, 2004
Yeah, Osama, nice try but we are not the chickenshit Spanish.
OBL is just pissing wind. He sent a tape because he CAN’T attack us.
He just thinks Americans are cowards and will tremble at his presence…….
Well. only the liberals will, buddy.
November 1, 2004 - 11:57 AM on November 1st, 2004
Does anyone think there will be attacks today or tomorrow?
November 1, 2004 - 11:59 AM on November 1st, 2004
Besides NAACP hired criminals and union thugs attacking people at polling places?
November 1, 2004 - 12:00 PM on November 1st, 2004
Snatch, I wonder what Osama passing wind smells like, ick.
November 1, 2004 - 12:01 PM on November 1st, 2004
K- I really don’t. Not a full scale one today.
Look, if OBL could have pulled off an attack, why would he come out of the wood work after a year to warn us.
Why not just launch like he did in Spain back in March.
To use the words of Al “the whiner ” Gore “He’s playing on our fears
November 1, 2004 - 12:03 PM on November 1st, 2004
8 – LOL – you know what I meant.
November 1, 2004 - 12:04 PM on November 1st, 2004
Mike K- Yeah it’s the voters who are supposedly being “intimidated” that are committing all of the voter intimidation. Screw the NAACP and I don’t mean that lightly.
K- I’m sure it doesn’t smell like roses.
I think as a lesson to terrorists muslims that we capture, we should force feed bacon down their throats then shoot them in the head. That way they will go to hell for having eatin swine. No 72 virgins for them.
Praise be to Ahllah.
November 1, 2004 - 12:07 PM on November 1st, 2004
You hear about all of these Republican efforts to suppress or intimidate voters, but it’s the Democrats that have been caught committing all the voting fraud.
November 1, 2004 - 12:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
is there another source besides the new york post?
November 1, 2004 - 12:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
oops, you said pissing wind, not passing win. must be on my mind after all the beans i ate last night.
November 1, 2004 - 12:10 PM on November 1st, 2004
Hello, Shi.
Did you get that bag of rocks removed from your ass or are you still in a foul mood about last night:twisted:
November 1, 2004 - 12:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
LOL @ Snatch!!! good one. I’ll provide the bullets.
I’m not going to let f-ing thugs intimidate me tomorrow. I live in the people’s republic of philadelphia, and will surely be accosted by union goons, I’ll stand my ground, proudly vote for the president.
I know BUsh is going to win, and I’ll tell you why. I was at a Bar in Philadelphia (which has about a 10-1 democratic edge in registered voters) on Saturday night, in a group of about 12 people, many who were meeting for the first time and didn’t know each other.. from various occupations / education levels…ALL SAID THEY WERE VOTING FOR BUSH!!!!
I was actually shocked, I’m used to the young, sniveling whiney urban liberals, littering our streets, but this was a bar FULL OF BUSH BACKERS!!!!! This tells me that, in the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania, Kerry’s margin of unemployed crackheads in PHiladelphia will not be able to overcome Bush’s margin of real americans in the rest of the state… as goes PA, so goes the election!
4 more years.
November 1, 2004 - 12:12 PM on November 1st, 2004
the only reason i ask for another source is 1. i can’t seem to get on the ny post site and 2. i don’t necessaily believe the new york post on the day before the election.
the washington times isn’t reporting it. is fox?
November 1, 2004 - 12:13 PM on November 1st, 2004
Mike K-17
Well put. My hat’s off to you and Philly. I do hate the Eagles however. Being a Cowboys fan will do that to you.
November 1, 2004 - 12:13 PM on November 1st, 2004
16 – your posts about hitting the clerk can stand on their own. i’ll not discuss it with you.
November 1, 2004 - 12:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
Fox is reporting it. So is MSNBC (on tv).
For the same reasons you don’t trust the NYPost on the day before elections . . I’m not surprised that other media outlets aren’t reporting it on the day before elections.
Are there other sources? Perhaps – - check back on Nov. 3rd.
November 1, 2004 - 12:15 PM on November 1st, 2004
shiloh, you are getting more and more ornery as time goes by. what’s the deal?
November 1, 2004 - 12:15 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shi,it is your responsibility to be resourceful and find these things out for yourself. I can’t do everything for you, ya know.:lol:
November 1, 2004 - 12:16 PM on November 1st, 2004
onery with whom dear K?
November 1, 2004 - 12:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
Don’t worry Shi, I promise I won’t smack any more liberals until after the election, okay?
November 1, 2004 - 12:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
“FOX NEWS”
Bin Laden SAID to be threatening Bush Voters.
says who now?
November 1, 2004 - 12:18 PM on November 1st, 2004
an Islamic web site seems to be Fox’s source.
ask mike and snatch what kind of credibility they put in that?
this is editorializing on a RUMOR – so far, from what i’ve seen.
November 1, 2004 - 12:19 PM on November 1st, 2004
K- I think Shiloh is going through a transitional phase. He knows that the right thing to do would be to stand with the Conservitives but the years of liberal brainwashing is holding him back.
Come on shiloh, you can do it. Step over from the darkside. Don’t fight it any longer.
November 1, 2004 - 12:22 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shi- Bin Laden basically endorsed Kerry as his choice for president of America. You can fillabuster it any way you want but that’s the reality of the situation.
November 1, 2004 - 12:23 PM on November 1st, 2004
29 try decaf
November 1, 2004 - 12:26 PM on November 1st, 2004
Only weenies like you drink decaf, Shiloh. I’ll take mine hot, black and strong just like my women.
I know, now you’re going to call me an ignorant chauvanistic pig, right?
November 1, 2004 - 12:27 PM on November 1st, 2004
if Bush always kills Kerry on who would protect them better – why wouldn’t the threat from OBL (if it’s valid) swing the voters who believe that to Bush?
November 1, 2004 - 12:29 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shi-32
I think you wll get your answer come nov. 3
November 1, 2004 - 12:40 PM on November 1st, 2004
It sounds to me that the administration is pleased that bin Laden is still on ther loose. How else can one interpret the following quotes. You’re not banking on the fear factor; or are you? For shame, but this is a microcosm of the entire Republican campaign … convince folks to be afraid of it, instill fear. For my money, Kerry will be as tough as anyone on terrorism, but he will have a plan (see his website for details those of you who profess that he has no plan).
See tape as boost for Prez
“We want people to think ‘terrorism’ for the last four days,” said a Bush-Cheney campaign official. “And anything that raises the issue in people’s minds is good for us.”
“A senior GOP strategist added, “anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush.”
“He called it “a little gift,” saying it helps the President but doesn’t guarantee his reelection.”
November 1, 2004 - 12:41 PM on November 1st, 2004
Florida Republican election supervisor campaigns for Bush again.
sheriff’s spokesman said later the deputy was enforcing a new county rule prohibiting reporters from interviewing or photographing voters lined up outside the polls, the Palm Beach Post said.
The deputy Sunday tried to grab the camera of James Henry, a freelance journalist who has written for The New York Times and The Washington Post.
Henry, 54, ran across the pavement but was tackled by the deputy, who pinned him to the ground, punched him in the back and handcuffed him, according to the daily.
He was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.
Palm Beach Supervisor of Elections Teresa LePore did not comment on the incident or the new rule, which had not been previously announced. LePore gained notoriety as the creator of the infamous butterfly ballot that confused thousands of voters in the chaotic and controversial 2000 election.
now why can’t a reporter talk to a person in line?
more voter fraud upcoming from the Republicans
November 1, 2004 - 12:48 PM on November 1st, 2004
How is that voter fraud, shiloh?
Personally, I don’t want reporters shoving their cameras and microphones in my face when I”m going about my business. Perhaps the county recieved enough complaints from it’s citizens that prompted this?
People don’t want to be harassed. Knowing they may have video cameras, microphones, cameras shoved in their face might just be enough to keep those elderly folks at home on election day. Talk about intimidation.
November 1, 2004 - 12:51 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shi-
So begins the conspiracy theories.
I’m sure this lady Teresa Lepore implemented the butterfly ballots just to confuse the voters into making a mistake, but no blame on them for being stupid and not following the instructions…..
Yes no personal accountability.
Second, I’ll bet your ass that there is more to this story. Who is to say that the reporter’s conduct was insubordinate and the paper convieniantly left that out, like most papers do. They tend to report only the details that they want .
Second, the reporter should not have resisted arrest and the sherrif should have maced him on top of that,
Again, no personal accountability.
It’s always some one elses fault, isn’t it?
November 1, 2004 - 12:57 PM on November 1st, 2004
“Palm Beach Supervisor of Elections Teresa LePore did not comment on the incident or the new rule, which had not been previously announced.”
And, the county should have announced the rule rather than tempt fate when a journalist was exercising his first amendment rights. What’s interestinmg, is the butterfly ballot, the “unannounced” rule, all of this is under the “capable” supervision of one supervisor in a county that the entire world knew would be closely watched? Why couldn’t it be better managed?
November 1, 2004 - 01:00 PM on November 1st, 2004
Lisa – it sets up fraud by disallowing 1st ammendment rights. if no one can watch – they can pull the same shit as in 2000. you can imagine that it’s intimidation, & i know from experience that your imagination is highly developed.
from the Palm Beach Newspaper:
One of LePore’s peers, Leon County Elections Supervisor Ion Sancho, called restricting reporters and photographers on public sidewalks outside polling places “an outrage. I’m shocked. The First Amendment right to be there is absolute.
“Outside our early voting place we had Japanese journalists, the BBC, all kinds of reporters and photographers,” added Sancho, who is based in Tallahassee. “It’s a public place, a public sidewalk. There is no statute, no law that can take away your right to talk to someone who is willing on a public sidewalk as long as no one is obstructing or interfering.”
Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, also called Henry’s arrest an outrage. “Where did Theresa LePore get the authority to criminalize activities protected by the First Amendment?”
crap
November 1, 2004 - 01:02 PM on November 1st, 2004
RE: 38- Again, we go to no personal accountability. In your opinion, it is Lepore’s fault, not the ignorant voters who failed to read the instructions and it is the sheriff who was upholding the law that is in the wrong, not the reporter who was probably doing something he wasn’t supposed too.
I don’t see the liogic.
November 1, 2004 - 01:04 PM on November 1st, 2004
40 exactly what law did the journalist break?
do election supervisors make law in Florida by fiat?
November 1, 2004 - 01:07 PM on November 1st, 2004
40. The rule was UNANNOUNCED. Get real, now. Also, I agree with shiloh’s comments in 39 re: first amendment rights. The rule may have been patently illegal and unconstitutional to begin with. One of Lepore’s superiors obviously had grave misgivings about it.
November 1, 2004 - 01:07 PM on November 1st, 2004
And Shiloh, I predicted you would fillibuster and there you go.
I’ll take the kewpie doll, thank you.
You don’t know if this reporter was doing something that was unethical. All you hear is that the big bad sherrif oppressed his freedom of press.
F-ck that!
Give me the whole story, not a slanted version. If it holds true, then I will condemn the sherrif’s actions. But I get both sides before I pass judgement, not just one.
November 1, 2004 - 01:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
42. Correction: one of Lepore’s peers in Leon County, not a supervisor. My mistake.
November 1, 2004 - 01:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
if the reporter was ‘unethical’, i guess he broke the law regarding unethical journalists.
November 1, 2004 - 01:15 PM on November 1st, 2004
RE: 40-41
You guys are missing my point. We can interpret the rights of the press any way we want to, but I’m saying that there has got to be more to the story. I always hear that the cops are the bad guys, but the poor rapists and crack dealers are targeted misguided individuals that need help.
Look, the reporters are entitled to freedom of press, but when that violates somebody else’s right to privacy, it becomes moot.
If local law enforcement tries to rectify the situation and the reporter tells the cop to kiss his ass, then the cop has the right to arrest him for disorderly conduct. If the reporter than runs, the cop can arrest him for resisting arrest.
That is my point. Suppose the reporter was in the wrong and the paper left it out to drum up anti lw enforcment sentiment which has been a big thing for the libs to do since the Rodney King beating.
November 1, 2004 - 01:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
Is shiloh still whining about Florida, and Algore’s failed attempt to steal the 2000 election?????? Jeesus Shiloh, give it up already.
Hey Snatch…I HATE the Eagles…almost as badly as I hate that lying, gold-digging, opportunist fuckface John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry
November 1, 2004 - 01:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
46 – i don’t think you can resist arrest if no law was broken to initiate the arrest in the 1st place.
i’m still wondering what law was broken.
November 1, 2004 - 01:20 PM on November 1st, 2004
And so it all begins . . I’m sure OBL is amused so far
November 1, 2004 - 01:21 PM on November 1st, 2004
Personal accountibility. We need to start accepting responsibility for OUR actions.
If I get in trouble for bitchslapping the store clerk, then so be it. I accept responsibility for my actions.
I my five year old acts insubordinate in school, he gets disciplined in kind, therefore teaching him that there is consequences for his actions and he will have to deal with them.
That is the lesson we all need to learn from, not trying to blame the white man, or the star’s alignment, or the government, or the police, we need to blame ourselves for our misdeeds.
November 1, 2004 - 01:30 PM on November 1st, 2004
no, in shiloh’s world, it’s always someone else’s fault… people are too f-ing lazy to work, blame Bush… Muslim animals blow up 100 Jews on a bus, blame Bush….algore couldn’t sue his way into the presidency, blame Bush…
yada yada yada
November 1, 2004 - 01:31 PM on November 1st, 2004
This line is tired and meaningless. Do you really think Bin Laden sees a difference between the two candidates? The state of Iran formerly endorsed Bush through its foreign minister. Am I throwing that in your face? (Well, I guess I am now, but..). I don’t believe that that shines a light on any part of Bush’s character. If believe that any criticism of Bush or the war on terrorism as it is being waged now is sedition, then you have cut yourself off from the world and others.
K – the democrats are not the criminal constituency – Fox is. North and Liddy.
Snatch – the Spanish unseated their president because he tried for two days to pin Madrid on the Basques. Please stop insulting the Spanish for holding Aznar accountable.
Even if Bin Laden had a Kerry sweater on during his tape, do you think that Kerry has anything but anger and revenge in mind when it comes to OBL?
November 1, 2004 - 01:34 PM on November 1st, 2004
Where is your sense of personal accountablity when it comes to using the phrase “muslim animals”, Kilo? In your end of the responsibility/right nexus, should you not have a responsibility to treat people as they would like to be treated, not a half-cocked right to say whatever the hell you want?
November 1, 2004 - 01:37 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb- You see, no personal accountability. The spanish gave in to terror. Bottom line.They are chicken sh-ts in my eyes and always will be.
And the point is, Kerry’s record suggests to many people, including OBL, that he will be weaker on defense than Bush, leaving us more open to attack just like Clinton did.
You don’t want to believe me, you can compare the defense spending records between Republican and Democrat presidents.
You tell me who takes national security seriously.
Hell, the Sudanese offered OBL to Clinton on a silver platter in 96′ and Clinton didn’t want to deal with it.
November 1, 2004 - 01:39 PM on November 1st, 2004
51 – LOL – I am picturing OBL in a Kerry sweater. Thanks for the laugh.
November 1, 2004 - 01:42 PM on November 1st, 2004
Snatch, I agree re: personal accountability and responsibility. That was my point anyway. Enough of the moronic B&N clerk.
November 1, 2004 - 01:44 PM on November 1st, 2004
as long as these savages keep blowing up children, machine-gunning them from behind, and beheading innocent civilians, and the “peaceful muslims” refuse to condemm them or help in their destruction…I’ll continue to call them MUSLIM ANIMALS. You see Sandy, sometimes you have to call something what it is, and not give a Fuck who you offend…if you weren’t such a bleeding heart, PC, brainwashed loon, you might understand that.
November 1, 2004 - 01:46 PM on November 1st, 2004
when these savages act like aminals, I call them animals.
November 1, 2004 - 01:46 PM on November 1st, 2004
Ellis-55
Word.
November 1, 2004 - 01:47 PM on November 1st, 2004
A Kerry Administration would/could actually fight a “wot” that would move the emphasis away from regime change of states, which has bogged down much of the American army in Iraq and increased recruiting for terrorist groups, and focus on more covert, counter-terrorism work that the Bush Administration seems to be shirking.
As for defense budgets, comparing Clinton to Kerry is meaningless. If you want, I can bring up Bush I’s massive decreases in defense spending that Clinton continued. I do not believe that Kerry would decrease defense spending if he were elected (that is what we are talking about – the future…), but he may use that funding in a more intelligent way, and not usher in massive tax cuts that brought us one of the biggest deficits (in real terms) in history.
As for the Spanish – your contempt for democracy astounds me, Snatch. The Spanish send soldiers to Iraq against the majority of the population’s wishes, and the right hails them. They pull out after the Socialists are democratically elected, and you call them “chicken sh-ts”.
November 1, 2004 - 01:48 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb…
do you think that Kerry has anything but anger and revenge in mind when it comes to OBL?
This has got to be the single funniest thing I have ever read on this board. It seems to me that the only thing in his 30 year “career” that Messeur Kerry has anger in his mind for is the US and it’s military.
November 1, 2004 - 01:49 PM on November 1st, 2004
Mike Kilo- Thats what it’s about man. Call it like you see it. If Shiloh is acting like a woman, which is often, then I have no problem with telling her……uh…..him, you know what I’m saying. If the liberals are sympathetic to terrorists and tyrant dictators then they are aiding and comforting the enemy which makes them enemies of mine.
November 1, 2004 - 01:51 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb…I can’t believe that you are so naive as to believe that the President is solely responsible for the Economic health of the US…are you really that stupid? Do you not understand that the “surplus” the Billy Blowjob touted was nothing more than creative accounting with the OMB????? You can’t be this stupid.
November 1, 2004 - 01:52 PM on November 1st, 2004
snatch, mike – have you considerd posting without personal insults?
i guess everycody here responds well to them but me. but, then again, us girls are way sensitive. right girls?
November 1, 2004 - 01:52 PM on November 1st, 2004
I wonder if you would ever call members of the Israeli Defense force “animals” for the killing of 200 civilians in Nablus last month, Kilo.
November 1, 2004 - 01:53 PM on November 1st, 2004
60 btw – you insulted every woman here and there with that post.
November 1, 2004 - 01:53 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb, you are so full of crap. Kerry has done nothing to show any of us that he can lead this war in a better way than Bush. All he’s done is fallen back on his controversial Vietnam record as his qualification to lead this country and Bush 1 commited a HELL of alot more funding to defense than Clinton ever did.
Don’t sell that crap because no one will buy it.
November 1, 2004 - 01:54 PM on November 1st, 2004
Oh. So the largest economic turnaround in history (in terms of gov’t coffers) had nothing to do with Bush’s tax cuts. Thanks Kilo, I’ve been living a lie. A stupid lie. I’ll just stop listening to experts and start listening to gentlemen like yourself.
November 1, 2004 - 01:55 PM on November 1st, 2004
65 – remind what Bush’s ‘qualifications’ were to be president, besides daddy’s name and money.
November 1, 2004 - 01:56 PM on November 1st, 2004
Actually, he’s talking about adding more troops to the military. I seem to remember Bush criticising him because the nation couldn’t afford it during the second debate….
November 1, 2004 - 01:58 PM on November 1st, 2004
Does anyone have anything to say about the absurdity of the post we are supposedly discussing?
November 1, 2004 - 01:58 PM on November 1st, 2004
What happens if Kerry has to “make a “tough” call that creates alot of controversey? Will he follow through or back down because of the unpopularity? Thats the thing. We know Bush will stand by his laurels. I don’t believe Kerry will.
Can’t have uncertainty when dealing with these terrorists.
November 1, 2004 - 01:59 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb – don’t take this the wrong way – but i love ya. you’re smart – for a woman that is.
(right snatch?)
November 1, 2004 - 02:00 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandy – absurd is a kind word to describe the title of this forum.
November 1, 2004 - 02:02 PM on November 1st, 2004
We do know that Bush will stand by his decisions -quickly-made and mulled, right and wrong. They’re all George’s children.
I see no evidence that Kerry would balk at tough decisions. He’s got a tougher stance on Iran than Bush – perhaps that could explain the endorsement of the Iranian mullahs that Bush carries in his backpocket?
November 1, 2004 - 02:03 PM on November 1st, 2004
And Shiloh- I’ve lived in Texas off and on throughout my life and I have to say that G.W. Bush did alot of great things for this state when he was governor.
Can’t say the same for a half ass liberal senator from Massachussets that has been on the wrong side of history for thirty years.
November 1, 2004 - 02:03 PM on November 1st, 2004
Even if you want to attribute unemployment and GDP growth to something…Congress would be a better place to attribute it, since they are actually the ones who write and pass appropriations in this country. Then, by extension, the “surpluses” that you and Billy Blowjob are so proud of coincided with the Republicans taking control of congress in 1994, reigning in Billy BJ’s liberal spending aims and Hillary’s attempt to socialize the American medical system. And since you are so willing to give credit where it ISN’T due….the unemployment rate is LOWER today than in 1996 when his royal fellatio was re-elected (with a whopping 43% of 43% of registered voters). And GDP growth is also at a record clip……..
The point is, it is US, the workers, managers, entrepreneurs, etc. who are in charge of the economy, and the best thing government can do is get the Fuck out of the way.
Tax cuts are not about deficits and surpluses… they are the embodiment of a philosophical argument about the size and scope of the federal government… any time you are cutting taxes, you are starving the beast..and that’s a GREAT thing.
November 1, 2004 - 02:04 PM on November 1st, 2004
74 – have some examples of the great things did in Texas? i’m sure there’s a bunch.
November 1, 2004 - 02:05 PM on November 1st, 2004
Kerry has a tougher stance one day, then an anti war stance the next. You are not fooling anybody with you’re DNC talking points Sandyb
And stop acting like a little “woman” Shiloh.
You should be acting like a man.
November 1, 2004 - 02:06 PM on November 1st, 2004
No, I would call the Israeli defense force “Heroic”….sorry if I don’t share your hatred of jews.
November 1, 2004 - 02:08 PM on November 1st, 2004
Are you being facetious, Shiloh? You tryin to say something about Texas?
Don’t be a coward.
SAY IT!
November 1, 2004 - 02:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
Kilo,
Your logical circle is sealed. Thanks for calling me an anti-semite.
November 1, 2004 - 02:10 PM on November 1st, 2004
the killing of innocent Palestinians, however much a mistake i hope it might be, is not heroic, it’s a mistake.
the killings of thousands of Iraqi civillians is not heroic, it’s directly related to poor post-war planning that someone must be responsible for.
is that person still employed, btw?
anyone have a clue as to their identity?
November 1, 2004 - 02:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
my question was not about Texas, snatch. it was about the things you thought were great about BUSH in Texas.
i can type slower for you.
November 1, 2004 - 02:12 PM on November 1st, 2004
Snatch 76:
The reason it looks that way to you and not to me is that you do not make a distinction between Iraq and the war on terrorism. Kerry has never been anit-war on terrorism.
November 1, 2004 - 02:13 PM on November 1st, 2004
81 – i already know about the increased oil profits.
November 1, 2004 - 02:18 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh (80):
Perhaps someone could inform that special someone about the 1949 Geneva Convention, ratified by Reagan more than thirty years later, that lays out guidelines for protecting occupied peoples and quelling insurgencies after combat phases of wars. I assure you, bombing occupied civilian areas (like in Fallujah) is not smiled upon in the Convention, and occupying powers are bound to restore water and electricity as fast as possible and do all that can be done to avoid further destruction of infrastructure. I for one, am sick of Bush wiping his ass with the G.C. IV. I’m sure Snatch, Kilo, or someone else has some heroic defense of the president…
November 1, 2004 - 02:19 PM on November 1st, 2004
You’re so funny Shiloh, you got me pissing my pants over here.
Lets start with a growth in jobs hand in hand with lowering unemployment
Drop in crime
More development leading to better economic growth
Implemented the Amber Alert to increase the chances of finding missing children alive (you may have noticed that this became nationwide alert system after Bush became president)
Kept taxes lowerd
Better education systems
Provided tax free weekends on school clothes and supplies before the beginning of each school year
Thats just to name a few……
November 1, 2004 - 02:20 PM on November 1st, 2004
It seems that accusing people of racism then taking off is the order of the day, eh, Kilo?
November 1, 2004 - 02:23 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb – i admit i am totally perplexed why more people don’t see what you’re talking about. turning a blind eye to a man’s policies is one thing; turning a blind eye to the death of ten of thousands of innocents while ’staying the course’ is foolhardy.
November 1, 2004 - 02:25 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb – 84
Your damn right I have a heroic defense of the president.
Our military is doing everything they can to kill the insurgents and not blow up the civilians or the mosques while these terrorists hide behind them.
Screw you for bashing Bush about this and in turn your bashing the men and women fighting in Iraq at this time, trying to keep your ass safe here at home.
It’s funny how you liberals love to point out what a mess Iraq is, but when our military takes decisive action, you scream about Geneva conventions. What the hell is wrong with you?
November 1, 2004 - 02:28 PM on November 1st, 2004
I was against the whole war in the first place. Perhaps that’s whats wrong with me. Continued fighting is not the way to a stable Iraq, Snatch.
November 1, 2004 - 02:31 PM on November 1st, 2004
I don’t remember bashing the troops, Snatch. That’s a pretty lame defense – head straight to the strongest, most indefensible accusation. Sort of like our friend, Kilo, who has yet to apologise for calling me an anti-semite.
November 1, 2004 - 02:32 PM on November 1st, 2004
snatch – do you think if we had more boots on the ground for post war ops – we’d have a better chance to have already been a long way down the road to end the killings?
November 1, 2004 - 02:33 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh Re: 87
Where in the hell are you getting tens of thousands of deaths from?
November 1, 2004 - 02:34 PM on November 1st, 2004
you are an anti-semite..since you seem to always side with the animals who are trying to destroy Israel, not to mention supporting Messeur Kerry, who will surely throw the Israelis to their demise.
November 1, 2004 - 02:36 PM on November 1st, 2004
Snatch, my beef is with the President, not soldiers in Iraq. My beef is with the president’s disregard for Phase 4 planning before the war, his reliance on some generals for advice while avoiding other general’s advice, his expulsion of UN peacekeepers, his appointment of political appointees, not professionals to run Iraq until July, and use of the Pentagon to use unfiltered information to make a bogus case for a war that Americans would not have supported if the case had have been honestly.
November 1, 2004 - 02:37 PM on November 1st, 2004
But again, I forget.. IN Sandyb and Shiloh’s world…. poor oppressed practicioners of the “religion of peace” are ALWAYS the victims (even when they are mowing down children with machine guns)…and Jews and Americans (well…republican Americans, anyway) are always the enemy, the bad guys, the evil oppressors and purveyors of misery.
November 1, 2004 - 02:39 PM on November 1st, 2004
It’s a moot point anyway…the president will be re-elected tomorrow, despite the union goons, NAACP, and armies of lawyers attempting to hijack the election….
November 1, 2004 - 02:39 PM on November 1st, 2004
i’m counting Iraqi civillian deaths to. you don’t mind that, i’m sure.
Scientists estimate 100,000 Iraqis may have died in war
LONDON (AP) ” A survey of deaths in Iraqi households estimates that as many as 100,000 more people may have died throughout the country in the 18 months since the U.S.-led invasion than would be expected based on the death rate before the war.
Researchers have found that airstrikes by coalition forces have caused most of the Iraqi deaths.
By Sami Aburaya, AP
There is no official figure for the number of Iraqis killed since the conflict began, but some non-governmental estimates range from 10,000 to 30,000. As of Wednesday, 1,081 U.S. servicemen had been killed, according to the U.S. Defense Department…
humans
November 1, 2004 - 02:42 PM on November 1st, 2004
mike – you just make shit up and put it in other people’s mouths, then tell them they have bad breath.
you are truly a wonder of convoluted logic and you never fail to live up to your reputation.
November 1, 2004 - 02:42 PM on November 1st, 2004
The reason that we don’t have any troops on the ground is because that would prolong the process of the intern Iraqi government establishing power and prolong our committment to Iraq. We are trying to help Iraq become an established democracy. They now call the shots, our military has their backs.
Does that hold water for you?
November 1, 2004 - 02:44 PM on November 1st, 2004
by the way…my Haliburton stock is up 24% since April, 2004..when I bought it…… THANK YOU, DICK CHENEY AND GLOBAL DOMINATION!!!!
LOL
November 1, 2004 - 02:46 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh- You want to use the casulties of war to try to make a point?
You’re wiping your ass instead of your mouth my friend.
Lets talk about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Kurds that Saddam’s regime had murdured since the first Gulf war.
Let’s talk about all of the mass graves we’ve dug up out there.
November 1, 2004 - 02:46 PM on November 1st, 2004
i don’t believe the Iraqi ‘interim’ puppet regime has control over anything. certainly not, at this point, there own destiny.
btw, how many military bases (permanent) have we built or are building before a government is even elected.
i guess we’re just assuming they’ll approve, once they have a real government.
that do you think, they’re gonna disapprove?
what will happen if a Theocracy is voted in and says to America, get out? think we’re going anywhere?
November 1, 2004 - 02:47 PM on November 1st, 2004
i don’t believe the Iraqi ‘interim’ puppet regime has control over anything. certainly not, at this point, there own destiny.
btw, how many military bases (permanent) have we built or are building before a government is even elected.
i guess we’re just assuming they’ll approve, once they have a real government.
that do you think, they’re gonna disapprove?
what will happen if a Theocracy is voted in and says to America, get out? think we’re going anywhere?
November 1, 2004 - 02:50 PM on November 1st, 2004
ok sntach – let’s just talk about whatever you want to. i’ll be your monkey.
we were talking about innocent deaths since the invasion but i guess now we’re back ten years.
what year do you want to talk about, anyway?
certainly not today.
November 1, 2004 - 02:52 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh doesn’t care about THOSE dead Iraqis, Snatch.
November 1, 2004 - 02:54 PM on November 1st, 2004
Dead people only deserve sypathy if killed by the War-Monger Bush…not muslim animals.
November 1, 2004 - 02:54 PM on November 1st, 2004
Thats it Shiloh….lets just start building shit for the terrorists to blow up, yeah sounds like a plan to me.
You like to refer to Allowi as a “puppet”. It sounds to me that you almost want this war to go badly. Any bad news or doom and gloom in Iraq is good news for you and your liberal cohorts. You use it to politicize your view that Bush is a war mongering dumbass. Excuse me for standing behind our troops and our president.
I wonder who the patriotic one here is…….
November 1, 2004 - 02:59 PM on November 1st, 2004
And to your post 104 I say to you that those who forget or ignore history are destined to repeat it.
Don’t try to brush off what an evil son of a bitch Saddam was. You can ignore it Shiloh, but guys like Mike Kilo, Peejz, K, AG, and myself won’t fall into that trap.
WE ARE NOT APOLOGIST FOR TYRANTS.
November 1, 2004 - 02:59 PM on November 1st, 2004
SNatch…of course they want the war to go bad… killing jews, protecting arabs and turning America into a European-style bastion of socialism is thier number one goal.. you think a successful Republican president and a free Iraq help them???? HELL NO!!!
November 1, 2004 - 03:00 PM on November 1st, 2004
(#105)Well, Reagan didn’t care about them either, Kilo.
Snatch (#99) – and you accuse me of spewing talking points? Lets look at this.
We have depressed the number of troops in Iraq because more American troops would slow down the consolidation of power by the unelected government. Interesting logic, Snatch. Let’s see how well the election in January (and Bush accuses Kerry of arbitrary deadlines) goes. I’m sure that fewer American soldiers will help Allawi “call the shots”.
November 1, 2004 - 03:00 PM on November 1st, 2004
Failure, Appeasement, misery… ’tis the liberal creed.
November 1, 2004 - 03:04 PM on November 1st, 2004
There goes Sandyb again…always the optimist..rooting for America to lose…sounds like Comrade Kerry….always on the wrong side.
November 1, 2004 - 03:06 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb, go vote for Kerry since you have your head up his ass. Reagan helped Iraq against a much worse Iran. And I really don’t think you or Shiloh give a fine sh-t about the dead Iraqi casulties, you guys just want to drive your point
November 1, 2004 - 03:08 PM on November 1st, 2004
Yeah Snatch..according to dolts like Sandyb, history is static, and allies and enemies NEVER change…..ay carumba are they dumb.
November 1, 2004 - 03:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
Kilo, your tirades are loosing their former lustre. I’m not sure that you even understand what you are saying – I assume that you have never read Sen. Kerry’s platform if you accuse him of being anything but more pro-Israeli than Bush. For what its worth, here is my response to your knuckle-dragging tirades about my and my “hatred of the jews”:
I have always been against suicide bombings, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the random killing of innocents within Israel. I am also against the illegal settlements in the West Bank and (hopefully not for long) Gaza. I am against the fact that 1/2 of all Palestinian children are malnourished, that the territories have been occupied for 37 years while being condemned by the UN Security Council. And I am against the use of missiles and bombs within cities that are among the most densely populated and curfew-laden in the world. I am for the right for Israel to exist, but within its own borders.
Could you please repeat that lovely statement about “killing jews” being someone’s number one goal. Who are you talking about, Kilo?
November 1, 2004 - 03:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
You have to give sandyb and Shitloh credit for their consistency, however, as they have, like John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry, siding with America’s enemies at each and every juncture in history….their is something to be said for that kind of consistently WRONG thinking.
November 1, 2004 - 03:10 PM on November 1st, 2004
You have to give sandyb and Shitloh credit for their consistency, however, as they have, like John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry, sided with America’s enemies at each and every juncture in history….there is something to be said for that kind of consistently WRONG thinking.
LOL
November 1, 2004 - 03:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
If you look back in history Sandyb(which I know liberals find it hard to do because history always seems to prove them wrong) you’ll find that Reagan was forced to play the hand that Jimmy Carter had dealt.
Carter had left us without an ally in Iran and Reagan had no choice but to form an alliance with Iraq so a terrorist powerhouse(Iran) would not win the war.
Comprende?
November 1, 2004 - 03:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
Can any of you liberals tell me what Chamberlain’s folly was?
Do you think they’ll know this Mike Kilo?
I’d be suprised if one of them did….
November 1, 2004 - 03:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
….have been occupied for 37 years while being condemned by the UN Security Council
There Sandy…you said it IN YOUR OWN WORDS!!! If John F.(uckface) Kerry is elected, and cedes our sovereignty to France and the UN…you can kiss Israel goodbye…I judge Kerry by what he does, not by his “plans”
30 years of opposing America are a good enough indication to me of what you could expect from Messeur Kerry.
November 1, 2004 - 03:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
….have been occupied for 37 years while being condemned by the UN Security Council
There Sandy…you said it IN YOUR OWN WORDS!!! If John F.(uckface) Kerry is elected, and cedes our sovereignty to France and the UN…you can kiss Israel goodbye…I judge Kerry by what he does, not by his “plans”
30 years of opposing America are a good enough indication to me of what you could expect from Messeur Kerry.
November 1, 2004 - 03:15 PM on November 1st, 2004
Snatch – 108 – Peejz, AG and I are women
November 1, 2004 - 03:16 PM on November 1st, 2004
History is static? When did I say that allies never change? You guys seem to be arguing that Iraq should be viewed as a humanitarian war. Perhaps the President should have as well, if that’s what he had in mind.
I don’t root for the US to lose. So, lets get this straight, you guys are against a realistic assessment of Iraq, you are against international democratic votes when ou don’t agree with them, and you deflect any criticism of the prez to actually be an attack on soldiers. If that’s patriotism, count me out. Sounds like totalitarianism to me.
November 1, 2004 - 03:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
Kilo, pulling out of illegally occupied land would not mean the end of Isarel, you idiot.
November 1, 2004 - 03:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
Back to the topic at hand – after Kerry heard about the OBL tape, he went out and took a POLL on what he should say about it. President Bush does not need polls to tell him what he thinks, certainly not about OBL.
November 1, 2004 - 03:20 PM on November 1st, 2004
Snatch,
The use of WW2 lessons is as valid today as it was in 2002-3. Saddam Hussein was no Hitler. Your careless use of that history does diservice to the death of 50 million people between 1939 and 1945. Hussein was not a threat to his neighbours or the United States in 2003. He certainly was a tyrant, so Bush should have made an honest case for war on humanitarian groundsa.
November 1, 2004 - 03:20 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb, you are free to make your points, no matter how stupid they are, because I do, in fact, believe in a democracy. I think it is your liberal view points that border on socialism.
Vote for Kerry if you don’t like Bush.
Bottom line but don’t get on our asses when we believe in fighting for the freedoms we hold dear and if we choose to learn lessons form history and consider it more than static as you put it.
You don’t believe in history, then you, my dear, do not believe in democracy.
November 1, 2004 - 03:23 PM on November 1st, 2004
And do you, Sandyb, believe for one moment that Saddam would not have done the same thing as Hitler if he had obtained equal power that Hitler had? Do you?
Tell me, what was Chamberlain’s Folly?
A Worl War 2 buff like your self should know this.
November 1, 2004 - 03:26 PM on November 1st, 2004
Ok. I’m gonna jet. Sometime Snatch, I’d like you to give me a list that describes what the “right side of history” is, and how liberals have been on the wrong side of it. As for Kilo, I hope you develop some communication skills beyond those you learned in elementary school before I have the pleasure of talking to you again. Since you don’t see fit to remark upon your penning of me as an anti-semite, I don’t feel that you are really worth talking to at this point. Who knows what’ll happen tommorrow.
November 1, 2004 - 03:27 PM on November 1st, 2004
Cahmberlain’s folly was appeasing Hitler. waht’s yr point?
November 1, 2004 - 03:28 PM on November 1st, 2004
Chamberlain’s folly was appeasing Hitler. what’s yr point?
November 1, 2004 - 03:32 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandy…what part of supporting a candidate who would hand Israel’s fate over the UN, making you an anti-semite, do you not understand????????
November 1, 2004 - 03:32 PM on November 1st, 2004
Chamberlain’s folly was the appeasement of Hitler at Munich in 1938, Snatch, but history does not apply to a current situation just because one can recite it. You continue your disservice to history with this continiued quizshow. Hussein, even if he wanted to be a Hitler (he was really more of a fan of Stalin – speaking of how allies change), could not have been after the first Gulf War. So my answer to your double-barrelled question that leads off post #128 is that it is irrelevant.
November 1, 2004 - 03:33 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh, clearly his point is that Appeasement never works, and only delays, or even worsens the inevitible…… like you and John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry’s appeasement of Saddaam would have done.
November 1, 2004 - 03:34 PM on November 1st, 2004
Very good Shiloh. You’re right for once n your foul life.
My point is, that Europe tried to appease Hitler and 40 million jews and Christians paid the price for it
It was a lesson that you can’t sit on your ass and wait for tyrants to aqure the power that they seek
The same holds true for Saddam Hussein.
November 1, 2004 - 03:34 PM on November 1st, 2004
Kilo – 132. All of it. If Israel did not control the occupied territories, the UN would not condemn it. Are you gonna start spurting conspiracy theories now?
November 1, 2004 - 03:37 PM on November 1st, 2004
But Saddam was barely a regional military force after 1991. Does the “Chamberlain” lesson apply to Indonesia in 1975, East Pakistan in 1971, Serbia in 1991, and many others?
November 1, 2004 - 03:39 PM on November 1st, 2004
And Mike Kilo is dead on. If Europe had’ve took a stand against Hitler during the infancy of Nazism, then not nearly as many people would have died in WW 2.
So you liberals think that is a moot point now?
It was globalists apologists like yourselves that mocked Winston Churchhill for recongnizing the threat that Hitler would ultimately become, the same way you now mock Bush for seeing a threat in Hussein’s regime.
November 1, 2004 - 03:43 PM on November 1st, 2004
#138 Um, that’s silly. Iraq needed to be invaded because WW2 taught us that petty, powerless dictators need to be stopped before they might develop WMD? I think that not only is your comparison spurrilous, but that history since WW2 does not teach the same thing. Nor does the history of Iraq.
November 1, 2004 - 03:44 PM on November 1st, 2004
Leave it to a liberal to down play the threat of evil. Saddam had made no bones about the genocide of the Kurds and attacking Isreal and U.S. interests. As the Duelfler report shows us, Saddam had every intention of continueing his development of WMDs and Nukes as soon as sanctions were lifted.
And the U.N. was doing everything they could to make that happen sooner because they had financial motives but America and Britain foiled their plans.
November 1, 2004 - 03:46 PM on November 1st, 2004
sandyb..luckily that military Mastermind, Billy Blowjob went after that frightening Bosnian Army…marking his most successful military campaign that didn’t involve 25 Christian Fundamentalists, an 8 year old cuban boy, or a sudanese aspirin factory…..
November 1, 2004 - 03:46 PM on November 1st, 2004
139 Have you read anything about the mass graves found in Iraq? Hussein doesn’t seem too petty and powerless to me. (Well now he is, thanks to our guys…)
November 1, 2004 - 03:47 PM on November 1st, 2004
141 – LOL, I had forgotten about that Cuban kid…
November 1, 2004 - 03:48 PM on November 1st, 2004
Saddam was a murderous thug, but no threat to his neighbours. The 1991 war, which I supported, destroyed his ability to be anything but a toy tyrant taking out his vengeance on his own people. If you want to make war based on what leaders may do in the future, Iraq would be about #6 in wars to be fought subsequently against Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and Uzbekhistan.
November 1, 2004 - 03:48 PM on November 1st, 2004
So if we had’ve let the U.N. call the shots like Kerry says we should(multiunilateralism) then they would have thrown America to the wolves while aiding an enemy in Saddam Hussein all for capital gains.
You want to say that Bush is in this big oil conspiracy? Try Russia, France, and China. Our allies. That is why they would not back us with military action in Iraq.
November 1, 2004 - 03:50 PM on November 1st, 2004
141, I don’t see what that has to do with anything – besides, Clinton attacked the Serbs, who were committing genocide against the Bosnians. I’m not a Clinton supporter (God, am I tired of typing that.)
November 1, 2004 - 03:50 PM on November 1st, 2004
That was democratic military muscle in all it’s glory…snatching an 8 year old and sending him back to a communist banana republic……
You know…democrats are awefully tough when it comes to fighting Christians, Jews, anti-communists, etc…..but hands off those practitioners of the “religion of peace” we can’t go after them!!!!
November 1, 2004 - 03:51 PM on November 1st, 2004
I’ve never said Bush was in a “big oil conspiracy”.
November 1, 2004 - 03:53 PM on November 1st, 2004
so, let me get this straight.. you supported billy blowjob attacking a murderous dictator (Milosovic) for murdering thousands of innocent people in his own country, and you criticize President Bush for attacking a murderous dictator (Hussein) for murdering thousands of innocent people in his own country. just seeing if I follow your logic.
November 1, 2004 - 03:53 PM on November 1st, 2004
Mike Kilo- Don’t forget about all of our troops that died on “peace keeping” missions to liberate countries like Indonesia, Bosnia, and Somalia during the 90’s.
Nobody holds Clinton accountable for that mess in Mogadishu. He gets a pass while Bush is hamstrung over a fire for removing a Brutal murderous hitler in the making from power.
Go figure….
November 1, 2004 - 03:53 PM on November 1st, 2004
K,
I’ve typed it in this stream. Saddam was a threat to his own people. If that’s what the war is about, then by all means, Bush should have made that case. He didn’t.
November 1, 2004 - 03:55 PM on November 1st, 2004
Clinton is very widely criticised for his handling of Somalia, Bosnia, Haiti, Rwanda, and the Sudan – and by me as well. You guys are no longer arguing.
November 1, 2004 - 03:57 PM on November 1st, 2004
Kilo – you are right. The difference is that had Clinton invaded and occupied the former Yugoslavia, I would be every bit as against him as I am against Bush on Iraq. The way that Bush did it was not the only way, my friends.
November 1, 2004 - 03:58 PM on November 1st, 2004
Yeah, here we have millions of illeagles streaming into the country on Clinton’s watch and he does dick about it, but he goes after that Elian Gonzalez kid witha vengence…..
That was almaost as lame as when Carter accepted all of those Cuban refugees into America and Castro emptied his prisons and sent them over here.
Another great moment under a liberal president.
November 1, 2004 - 04:02 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandyb….it’s never perfect, and if you really think JOhn F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kerry could have done better, you really are nuts..first of all, Saddaam would still be in power.
After The President is re-elected tommorow, isn’t it finally time for the left to put down the hate, roll up their sleeves and ask what they can do to help? Isn’t it? God damn….whining isn’t the answer.
November 1, 2004 - 04:03 PM on November 1st, 2004
K- But Bush did make that case before we went to war with Iraq. And we all knew what a piece of sh-t Saddam was anyways. Bush didn’t have to tell us.
Check out his first state of the union address.
November 1, 2004 - 04:03 PM on November 1st, 2004
illeagles? are those sick birds? just poking a little fun, snatch.
November 1, 2004 - 04:07 PM on November 1st, 2004
I think the left needs to either sit down and shut the f-ck up or step up and help out. They are just impeding our goals withtheir continuous adversity.
If Osama Bin Laden has put his two cents n to this election, doesn’t that tell you liberals anything?
Our enemies know that this Country is so divided and are using that to their advantages.
When Bush wins tomorrow, it’s time to squash the beef and for America to get to work.
November 1, 2004 - 04:08 PM on November 1st, 2004
Bush never said that Saddam human-rights abuses were a main reason for war. I invite you to read the transcript of the October 7, 2002 speech in Cincinnati on the White House website. He talks about unmanned aircraft attacking the US, a chemical and biological weapons stockpile, and “five ways” (very mysterious) that Saddam was reconstituting his WMD capability.
November 1, 2004 - 04:08 PM on November 1st, 2004
146 – you aren’t a clinton supporter, are you a kerry supporter? and i don’t think kuwait would agree that iraq wasn’t a threat to its neighbors.
November 1, 2004 - 04:09 PM on November 1st, 2004
K, by the way, sorry for calling you girls “Guys”.
So on that note, are you hot?:cool:
November 1, 2004 - 04:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
I think if Bush wins, it is time for the left to work with him to forge a sound foreign policy. But Bush has to do his part, as well, and use more future caution and learn from his mistakes. If Kerry wins, will your rhetoric of unity stand? Lisa has said so, and I commend her for it.
November 1, 2004 - 04:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
How about you, Sandyb? You look good for a liberal or what?
See, I could tolerate you being a liberal if you had a nice bod.
Oh, sorry, I’m being sexist.:twisted:
November 1, 2004 - 04:12 PM on November 1st, 2004
161 LOL Snatch…aren’t you married?
November 1, 2004 - 04:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
K,
Saddam was a threat to his neighbours in 1990. Fourteen years ago. And I am not a Kerry supporter, either.
November 1, 2004 - 04:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
162 – I would, but I will have a REALLY hard time listening to him in my living room for the next 4 years.
On that note, who do you think Hillary’s voting for?
November 1, 2004 - 04:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
Well, I’m no Ann Coulter, but…
November 1, 2004 - 04:15 PM on November 1st, 2004
165 – True, but he still was a barbarian.
So, are you going to vote?
November 1, 2004 - 04:16 PM on November 1st, 2004
Gotta excuse myself from this dinner discussion. Drop back in soon.
Later all.:cool:
November 1, 2004 - 04:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
K,
You mean Hillary Clinton? Probably Kerry. I haven’t asked her.
November 1, 2004 - 04:17 PM on November 1st, 2004
On foreign policy, Bush supported PLO terrorist Yasser Arafat in power and repeatedly urged Sharon to halt Israel’s counter-terrorist operations until Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon finally succeeded in persuading him to change course and find enough moral clarity to support the Israeli war against the Palestinian terrorists.
link
November 1, 2004 - 04:18 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandy…If, by some miracle, or clever legal wrangling and Union thuggery, Kerry wins.. Yes, my message of unity will stand. It will be difficult for me, however, as a veteran to pay allegiance to this lying self-serving piece of crap for all that he has done to harm my fellow veterans.
November 1, 2004 - 04:19 PM on November 1st, 2004
In pursuing relations with Communist China, the president has opted to pursue a Clintonian policy of accommodation, if not outright appeasement. Last year, Bush signed an executive order to permit the sale of significantly more advanced supercomputers than those allowed to be sold by the Clinton Administration. He has also championed the awarding of permanent most favored nation trade status and WTO membership for Communist China, whose record on killing hundreds of thousands of its political and religious dissidents, forcing tens of millions of Chinese women to have abortions every year, threatening nuclear incineration of American cities and continued unrestricted sales of advanced nuclear warhead and ballistic missile technology to America’s enemies leaves much to be desired. The Bush policy of appeasing the Butchers of Beijing has had the effect of rewarding them for their ‘bad behavior’ while encouraging future offenses and escalated threats against our Free Chinese allies on Taiwan.
same link as 171
November 1, 2004 - 04:21 PM on November 1st, 2004
170 – i think she may want to see that spot open in ‘08.
November 1, 2004 - 04:21 PM on November 1st, 2004
K,
I have to go back to my life after this post, so goodbye to all except for Kilo. I did vote, but for a third party candidate. I thought it over for a full year, but I’m registered in a safe state for Bush, so I thought I’d vote for the candidate who probably is the most congruent with my politics – Nader. You can all rejoice. Anyway, later.
November 1, 2004 - 04:24 PM on November 1st, 2004
You know, Kilo, the polls are quite close – Kerry could take it without the shenanigans you cite. You certainly have the right to rail against him if he does.
November 1, 2004 - 04:25 PM on November 1st, 2004
Take care, Sandyb.
November 1, 2004 - 04:26 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh..is this more of your “I know you are, but what am I”.. 3rd grade rhetoric??????
Now all of a sudden you are calling Bush a communist appeaser?? Are you kidding???
November 1, 2004 - 04:30 PM on November 1st, 2004
Sandy..Kerry could never win without the democrats registering dead people and cats, trading crack for votes, posting union goons at polling places, etc. etc. etc. ..It wouldn’t even be close.
November 1, 2004 - 05:27 PM on November 1st, 2004
an issue: Lisa said the ‘media’ wouldn’t report what she says in the intro re: red states are in danger from obl.
33 or more major newspapers have endorsed Bush. what reason would they have to hide this ’til after the election?
November 1, 2004 - 05:32 PM on November 1st, 2004
LANSING, Mich. – Some Michigan voters have received phone calls falsely claiming that Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry would make gay marriage legal, Kerry’s Michigan campaign said Monday.
link
you think the Democrats are making these calls?
November 1, 2004 - 05:33 PM on November 1st, 2004
John Kerry, Michael Moore, the New York Times and CNN are getting Americans killed in Iraq and risking a terrorist catastrophe here at home, because of their pathological hatred of George Bush.
(boy how the rhetoric soars, even in shame, the day before.)
link
November 1, 2004 - 05:41 PM on November 1st, 2004
180- because it helps Bush. the MAJOR mainstream media do not want Bush to stay in office.
181 – this is happening on both sides. One lady on the radio this am played a taped message that was on her answering machine that made Bush sound like an idiot. She called the phone company and that call was tracked back to the Arizona Republic newspaper offices! Nice.
November 1, 2004 - 05:44 PM on November 1st, 2004
181 – even your article talks about both sides. dirty, dirty, dirty.
November 1, 2004 - 05:47 PM on November 1st, 2004
183 – why would newspapers wanting Bush to win sit on a story that might help him?
November 1, 2004 - 05:51 PM on November 1st, 2004
the ones that are announcing it are. but your cbs, nbc, etc. seem to be sitting on it.
November 1, 2004 - 05:52 PM on November 1st, 2004
who is announcing it? the new york post and who?
November 1, 2004 - 05:58 PM on November 1st, 2004
K i just went to several conservative newspapers, even Scaife’s pittsburh news-review, washinton times, rocky mountain news etc – couldn’t find it.
November 1, 2004 - 06:02 PM on November 1st, 2004
188 – why am i responsible for this? i’m not in the media. why are your undies in a bundle about it?
November 1, 2004 - 06:03 PM on November 1st, 2004
Next thing you know, Shiloh is going to deny a liberal bias at NY Times, LA times, Chicago Tribune, Philadelphia Inquier, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. etc. etc. ….denial is NOT just a river in Egypt, is it Shiloh?
November 1, 2004 - 06:05 PM on November 1st, 2004
easy, love. you asked for an issue. you’re not responsibile.
i think it’s a fair question. perhaps someone will refine my searches and show me differently.
i haven’t seen it so far.
November 1, 2004 - 06:05 PM on November 1st, 2004
It’s ok though K…take heart.. Shiloh, Michael Moore, Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-IL, PLO, Gunga Dan Blather, etc. will NOT be able to hijack our country….. BUSH 54% to Kerry 46% with OVER 300 Electoral votes.
Praise be to Allah.
November 1, 2004 - 06:06 PM on November 1st, 2004
192 – mike – curious – can you think of any newspaper or network that may have a conservative tilt to it?
November 1, 2004 - 06:07 PM on November 1st, 2004
193 referred to 190, not 192.
November 1, 2004 - 06:11 PM on November 1st, 2004
Mike
define liberal tilt?
November 1, 2004 - 06:29 PM on November 1st, 2004
do I really have to? …sure there are a handful of conservative papers in the country..a small fraction of the leftist rags.
Look, 92% of Washington based journalists admitted in a Pew research survey to voting for Billy Blowjob in 1996, when ONLY 43% of 43% of registered voters did…..would you NOT CALL THAT BIAS???? Are you on crack???
November 1, 2004 - 06:29 PM on November 1st, 2004
shiloh, the one thing that worries me about you is that it your job to dispatch airplanes, yet you comment here at a rate of about 4 posts/minute.
November 1, 2004 - 06:34 PM on November 1st, 2004
i’m not working K
November 1, 2004 - 06:35 PM on November 1st, 2004
let me help you mike.
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November 1, 2004 - 06:58 PM on November 1st, 2004
good work Shiloh…at least I can admit that those outlets are conservative….will you now rightful call CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, the Washington Post and NY Times Liberal????
November 1, 2004 - 07:53 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh, I’m so glad you’re here tonight. I’ve had a big day with my family and I have a question for you.
Chief
November 1, 2004 - 07:57 PM on November 1st, 2004
Oh oh oh, if it will prevent another terrorist strike, I’ll vote for Senator Kerry…. Oh wait, I’m not Spanish.
November 1, 2004 - 08:05 PM on November 1st, 2004
Shiloh,
My wife and my daughter (an 18 year old voting for the first time) tried to early vote today. A sign carrying Kerry supporter tried to give my wife and my daughter a by-name sheet of national and local candidates to vote for. My wife told him they didn’t want it. My daughter told me he swore at them and called them “F***ing Bush supporters”.
My wife tried to get someones attention outside the firestation where they polled but couldn’t get anyone to assist them with the fella who my daughter said keep very close to them and stared at them. They said they were afraid because the line was so long and it looked like it would be a while before they could get inside.
They left and have to try to go back tomorrow!
I have never been so blistering mad in my whole life. By the time I could get back to the station there was no one to talk to but the firemen and they didn’t know anything about it.
Now I’m taking off work tomorrow to make sure it doesn’t happen again, but my question to you is, is it worth it? Is this what you people stand for.
I have lost what little understanding I have for the left. I gotta tell ya, today is a watershed event for me.
November 1, 2004 - 08:37 PM on November 1st, 2004
No kidding K- that is a scary thought and one that has crossed my mind on numerous occasion.(197)
But his answer leads me to ask if he is unemployed? This is a daily thing, not an isolated incident.
As for the tape…Zelda nailed it for me. This isn’t Spain, and because of people like Hawk, I am free to vote for whoever I want.
SandyB- you are right, Hitler and Saddam should not be compared. One killed his own at a rate of at least 300,000. While the other killed 5 million jews from all over Europe.
November 1, 2004 - 09:27 PM on November 1st, 2004
peejz,
how ’bout we pry into your private life.
November 1, 2004 - 09:38 PM on November 1st, 2004
Reilly,
I found this in the archives.
“Howard Dean has proven time and again that he will support the popular opinion of the moment – – he has not the ability or backbone to stand on his own opinions regardless of political fallout.”
comment by Reilly ” 1/18/2004 @ 6:57 pm
It seems you just replaced Howard Dean’s name with John Kerry’s after he became the Democratic nominee.
Why did you recycle the attacks? Because this is an ambiguous statement that can be applied to anyone, mainly Democrats.
November 1, 2004 - 09:42 PM on November 1st, 2004
Perhaps it’s something she feels Kerry and Dean have in common, Sabor? It’s possible.
You found in the archives where Reilly said that about Dean – - where is that exact quote in relation to Kerry in the archives, Sabor? Could you do me a favor and dig around for it?
November 1, 2004 - 09:44 PM on November 1st, 2004
I’ll try ma’am
November 1, 2004 - 09:50 PM on November 1st, 2004
When someone works as a traffic controller at the airlines, they work for me Sabor. It is my tax dollars that fund it. Anything else?
November 1, 2004 - 09:54 PM on November 1st, 2004
It is sad to me that so many people fail to see how important it is that everyone has the right to cast ONE vote for whoever they want to. It is far bigger than any one candidate.
November 1, 2004 - 09:57 PM on November 1st, 2004
I will agree with that Zelda. But you get one vote, you cast it yourself, and you fill the paperwork out properly. It really isn’t that difficult.
November 1, 2004 - 10:00 PM on November 1st, 2004
With 300 Million people, it is difficult. I don’t really understand how or why, but it’s not as easy as we would think.
I will not have a hanging chad on my ballot, but someone else will.
God help the person who challenges my right to vote.
November 1, 2004 - 10:05 PM on November 1st, 2004
Oh I agree with you Zelda. We draw a line to our candidate. All we do is put a mark like this – between 2 lines next to the candidate of our choice. Not too difficult. What makes me mad is the people that can’t fill out the forms properly or go to the right polling place. This happens once every 4 years for heavens sake! Go to you state website and look under elections for voter registration. It is so simple!
It just drives me nuts!
November 1, 2004 - 10:14 PM on November 1st, 2004
peejz;
I agree for the most part. But with 300 million people, there are some people that just don’t have the intellectual resources that we do. Should they be allowed to vote? The constitution doesn’t say anything about being to stupid to vote, so I guess they do.
By the way, I love your posts.
November 1, 2004 - 10:19 PM on November 1st, 2004
My main concern is that we get a fair election. I hope the importance of that isn’t lost on anyone here.
November 1, 2004 - 10:20 PM on November 1st, 2004
Gotta run, my crack pipe is calling.
November 1, 2004 - 10:36 PM on November 1st, 2004
Stop with the crack already:razz: Yes they do deserve a right to vote, but I won’t say I haven’t questioned that! But for all the money that was spent getting the voter turn out, could they not have saved some money on the superstars salaries, and maybe spent a buck or two to teach them how to vote?
And yes, the election must be fair for all parties involved. Have a good one Zelda
November 2, 2004 - 12:28 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Osama bin Laden lives. He has threatened terrorist attacks on any Red State. Will you make peace with this killer? Your vote makes this decision.
Half of this nation supports our President. Yet, half wish “For Peace in our time.” A noble ambition but it did not work for Neville Chamberlain it will not work today. Peace is earned with sacrifice. You cannot negotiate with Osama bin Laden. He must die or be captured.
Give in to Osama bin Laden and some day he may tell you when to rise each day, when to pray, and what you will think. Have the terrorists’ insurgents that kill our soldiers in Iraq threatened our nation on our soil? No, they do not have the men, the material, the strategy, or the funding.
Osama bin Laden evaded our military not because of out sourcing but because he is a superior opponent with the funding and resources to evade the most sophisticated technological fighting force in history. Hitler and Saddam Hussein abused drugs and alcohol. Both were megalomaniacs with psychotic delusions. It took five years to defeat Hitler and over a year to find Saddam. Osama bin Laden does not have these vices and he is not insane. He is just a killer.
This is a World War. It is not Vietnam. We must finish the liberation and restoration of Iraq. Our Military Forces want President Bush to see this through to the end. This is their choice. Will you deny them? Those that have given their life deserve this hard fought peace. And yet what is your reply? Are you on the front line? Your vote must reflect our nations support of winning this War. We cannot and must not change our Commander in Chief.
We should respect the wishes of those that are on the front line. Do the right thing finish and this War. Let those who are fighting and dying have their say. Your vote is your voice.
November 2, 2004 - 12:32 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Chief.. re: 203
I’m really sorry to hear about that… it’s a shame that your family had to experience this sort of thuggery.
November 2, 2004 - 12:36 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Volunteer State,
Well Said, Tomorrow, I will proudly vote with my fellow men in uniform for the commander-in-chief.. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
God bless our men in uniform, God bless the President, and God bless America.
November 2, 2004 - 01:58 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Why can’t the states all find and use voting methods proven to be easy? That is what bugs me. Arizona, we also draw a line between two places. Easy.
And voting is every 2 years since Governors run alternating with Presidents and Representatives are every two years.
November 2, 2004 - 02:06 AM on November 2nd, 2004
November 2, 2004 - 08:37 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Shannon, You and I vote the same way, and it doesn’t get any easier than that! Because it is under the umbrella of the Feds, I would like to see a unified ballot accross the country!
November 2, 2004 - 09:42 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Hawk – that’s terrible…I can’t beleive that 1) they tried to tell someone how to vote (scares me that there would be people in line that would agree to that) and more importantly that 2) they verbally assaulted and essentially stalked your family. What is this world coming to? I hope we wake up tomorrow knowing we are safe for at least 4 more years…but they are pulling all the punches.
November 2, 2004 - 10:00 AM on November 2nd, 2004
They will go to any length to make sure John KOHN gets elected.. I figured from now on, I’ll call him by his real last name.
November 2, 2004 - 10:04 AM on November 2nd, 2004
bet most of you didn’t know that Messuer Kohn (Kerry) was a descendent of French Jews, masquerading as an Irish Catholic….is there anything about this man that isn’t completely fraudulent???
November 2, 2004 - 10:18 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Mike – Okay, tell us the deal with this Monsieur Kohn stuff – you have posted about it at least 5 times. Send a link. I’ll bite.
November 2, 2004 - 10:21 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Frederick A … Kerry, shoe merchant, b. as Fritz Kohn at dwelling 224, Bennisch, Austria [now Horni BeneÅ¡ov, Severomoravsky province, Czech Republic], 10 May 1873, birth recorded among the Jewish births on the last folio
Kerry grandparents…. KOHN… Kerry is a completely invented name.
http://members.aol.com/wreitwiesn/candidates2004/kerry.html
November 2, 2004 - 10:27 AM on November 2nd, 2004
It dosent bother me what Kohn is, he could be russian, jewish, Ugandan..I don’t care… I just wonder why he has to lie about EVERYTHING. He is a complete and total Fraud of a human being.
November 2, 2004 - 10:56 AM on November 2nd, 2004
you think Osama would be pulling so hard for Kohn if he knew his family was Jewish????????
November 2, 2004 - 11:02 AM on November 2nd, 2004
It’s weird. Mike calls people anti-semitic and then seems to bash Kerry for being a catholic “jew”. I hope that you don’t ignore that when someone is said to be jew, it’s not about his religion ? And anti-israel is not anti-semitic (one is against a nation, the other one against a race). And I am sure that someone who disagrees with the actions of a nation does not necessarly hate it (same works for the US).
About Ben Laden, I have not seen in any reliable source that he talked in favor of Kerry. Even if he was, he would not let anyone know it, otherwise it would help Bush. OBL is evil, but it would be too easy if he was completely dumb.
For me, voting is believing. You basically believe that one candidate is better than the other one. And generally, other people’s belief is difficult to understand. That’s how you can see Democrats and Republicans angry at people voting differently. But any argument like the other voters are dumb is just unproductive in any way…:???:
November 2, 2004 - 11:35 AM on November 2nd, 2004
Nickele
I don’t give a shit what Kohn’s background / religion / etc. is, other than the fact that he sees the need to lie about it….
November 2, 2004 - 12:01 PM on November 2nd, 2004
Well, you call Kerry a lyer, democrats call Bush a misleader…
November 2, 2004 - 12:45 PM on November 2nd, 2004
that’s because democrats are basically lemmings who believe everything Michael Moore tells them.
Kohn’s Lies are obvious and self-evident.
November 2, 2004 - 12:48 PM on November 2nd, 2004
You call him Kohn…….
I call him Lurch….
Either way he’s a f-ckstick.
November 2, 2004 - 12:51 PM on November 2nd, 2004
Yuk it up, Liberals for this will be the last day you will do so. In twenty four hours you’re asses’ll be runnin for the trial lawyers.
Moving targets………..:twisted: