Negotiators Add Abortion Clause to Spending Bill
House and Senate negotiators have tucked an anti-abortion provision into a $388 billion must-pass spending bill, complicating plans for Congress to wrap up its business and adjourn for the year.
The abortion language would bar federal, state and local agencies from withholding taxpayer money from health care providers that refuse to provide or pay for abortions or refuse to offer abortion counseling or referrals. Current federal law, aimed at protecting Roman Catholic doctors, provides such “conscience protection” to doctors who do not want to undergo abortion training. The new language would expand that protection to all health care providers, including hospitals, doctors, clinics and insurers.
An issue of this magnitude should not be tucked into a spending bill.
Of course the National Right to Life Committee is very pleased with this as they’ve wanted something like this for a very long time – - Yet, what is going to happen to a woman’s right to choose if health care providers, doctors, hospitals, clinics and insurers can tell her they don’t have a right to choose anymore?
why the snyde comment to Peejz?
49. I think that I am following you about “completion”.
the Church is supposed to do it but it has failed completely. as Lenny Bruce said, “the Cardinal of New York has a ring on his finger worth $25,000 and 4 blocks away there’s 11 Puerto Ricans living in one room, hungry.
the state had to step in, or the streets would be littered with the dying, etc.
I disagree. The Church, given that uncle sugar releases the control of such issues, would do great. At the risk of offending someone, I must ask for a distinction from Protastant and the Chatholic Church.
TAC i assume you’re talking about my 47. well, after all she did say i was completely full of shit.
funny you should bring that one up. when i pressed ‘send it’, i thought to myself, ‘now that’s arrogant and condescending’
Honestly, if 11 PR’s are living under one roof, hungry, they made a bad mistake, somewhere.
55. I see.
Okay, I must be missing something in this proposed legislation.
To wit:
The proposal is that Congress pass a law that would prevent the government from withholding funds from a hospital/doctor that refuses to perform abortions.
We are not withholding money from facilities that perform abortions. We are preventing discrimination against those doctors who won’t perform an abortion.
How is this taking away a woman’s right to kill her unborn child? Nowhere in the proposed legislation, or at least what I’ve seen of it, is anything that would in any way restrict the right to choose.
So what’s the big deal?
-cjb-
i don’t think there’s any great distiction between Catholic and Protestant.
God made the nations and man created the denominations.
56- TAC you and I agree on that. But I have tried to explain to shiloh that people need to take responsibility for themselves ad shiolh always seems to feel that the government needs to step in. The government did not impregnate them though did they?
Exactly. And a man runs that church. There is only one Bible. One word of GOD. And His Word, and rules, cannot be changed. Some dominations say, “hey, it’s ok for homosexuals to be preachers”, some say “you must have forgiveness from this man”. These are violations, and I wonder who they serve.
peejz – re: 60 – if the playing field was equal i would agree with you 100%.
educational & employment opportunities favor certain people while discriminating against some others.
61 – the modern Church appears to mostly serve itself.
60. I am in total agreement. I was born poor, and fought like a cornered badger to make sure my family wasn’t. Long hard strugle, but I did it. Some people can’t. I know this is sad, but there will always be poor people. Some are borne without the skills and determination to be otherwise, some are just lazy.
63, What are you talking about. Oppertunity is there for anybody. Mabe not 20 years ago, but anyone,I say again, anyone, in the o’le USofA can get an education. BTW, I recieved a level playing field.
Sorry 62.
There is only one Church.
you said you were being cynical when you talked about condoms in school. you’re not in favor?
No. Sorry Shiloh, but that is not properly addressing the issue, it is promoting it. If they want to have sex, fine, but not with my taxdollars. Could you see the Chruch giving out condoms? I think not.
67 – wherever 2 of more are gathered together.
i live in Montana and i’m here to tell ya that racism is alive & well. take a vacation trip to northern Idaho if you have any further questions about a level playing field.
plenty of pastors give out condoms – especially in the cities. (not Catholics). basically it’s a damned if you do & damned if you don’t.
talk about the definition of ‘dilema’.
Take a trip to Alabama. I must tell you Shiloh, around here, the vast majority of racism is at the feet of African Americans.
71. No matter what the situation or circumstance or dilema, those “pastors” should do what is right. Condoning sin is sin itself.
i’m sure there’s black and white and brown and yellow and red and every other color that people can be racism.
proves the point, but in your example a black business owner won’t hire the white applicant
dealing with reality is different than condoning sin. if some kid says there gonna do it, saying no may not be anough. saying – if you’re gonna do it no matter what. here’s protection.
i understand you’re point and in a perfect world you’d be right.
Gees! You try it around here. If you got hired on, you would be run off in a week. But the lack of Black Business owners around here is an education problem, in which I have no sympothy for them. They have every oppertunity for education there is, better than for the whites, and free, most of the time, at that!
I don’t think the Bible teaches compromise on sin. I just disagree.
would you agree that educational opportunties are perhaps different in middle class vs a poverty ridden community? then you say – why poverty. i donlt know but as you said, the poor are always with us.
They, the poor communities, have just as many oppertunities as we do. I don’t feel sorry for them. I do feel sorry for the people who are not able to perform. Not the lazy and unmotivated. There are schools all over the inner cities, community colleges and universitys.
you’re right – it doesn’t teach compromise. forgiveness is taught as being done 7 times 70.
if it were a day equals 20 times an hour or every 3 minutes.
It’s been a plesant chat Shiloh. Get alot futher this way. I gotta get up early for Church. Goodnight.
sure, the lazy people are not what i’m talkin’s about.
the minimum wage barely supports one person. we had this discussion recently. forget marriage or children if you can’t hardly support yourself.
nite TAC
Hey there guys!
Once again…. education, education, education
nite,, see ya. Hello, and goodnight sis.
75- I agree with you there shiloh
good evening navy sis.
may i take it that you’re a woman with a relative in the service?
nite TAC!
Yes I have a brother and an uncle in the Navy and a cousin in the Marines.
i was in the navy when the dinosoars were still roaming around.
on another subject, i hate talking about abortion. after all i don’t have a uterus so i may not be able to realate on a personal level.
Dinosaurs huh? I know it is a complicated subject.
Where were you stationed?
basic in SanDiego as well as electrons and Radioman ‘A’ school. i wanted to get submarines and wound up in a sub squadron in Norfolk, Vs on a sub rescue ship. only 79 juys for a full compliment. i loved it
Wow, sounds interesting. How funny, my brother is stationed in Norfolk. He’s a photographer on the U.S.S George Washington. He did basic training in Evanston, Il.
This doesn’t make sense.
“Yet, what is going to happen to a woman’s right to choose if health care providers, doctors, hospitals, clinics and insurers can tell her they don’t have a right to choose anymore?”
Just because certain doctors have chosen to not perform the abortion doesn’t deny the women the right to go to another and get the abortion. Not all facilities will deny it any more than all women want abortion or don’t want it. There will be plenty of practitioners who will perform the abortion.
I don’t agree with putting it in the spending bill, however I do think government should not be supporting abortion. It is legal to abort or not abort, that doesn’t mean the government should penalize a group of people for believing one way and refusing to do abortions.
that ship is a bit bigger than mine was. i’d guess about 5,000 more. it’s a city on the water. what does he take pictures of?
evening Shannon – i agree with your assessment. this is just another step on the conservative highway to tell women they know what’s good for them
This is true…it’s is just that. There is about 6,000 people on board. He shoots whatever is going on at the time..from people to ship or aircraft. He has a lot of photos on navynewstand.com
98 I think she was saying that women can still obtain the abortion from a dr. or healthcare facility and thus not denying a womans right but allowing a doctors right to not have to be penalized for not doing them.