UN to hold seminar on ‘Islamophobia’
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan will open a seminar on “Islamophobia” at UN headquarters on December 7.
The seminar entitled ‘Confronting Islamophobia: education for tolerance and understanding’ will be the second in a series entitled ‘Unlearning Intolerance,’ organised by the United Nations Department of Public Information (DPI).
According to an announcement, the series aims to examine different manifestations of intolerance and explores ways to promote respect and understanding among peoples and to discuss how intolerance, wherever it exists and for whatever reason, can be “unlearned” through education, inclusion and example.
My thoughts on what would help “Islamophobia” would be far more Islamic leaders coming out and loudly denouncing the acts of the radical, fundamentals who involve themselves in acts of terror. I have heard a few come forward – - I think there needs to be more. And more often.
To educate the world public – they first need to show that Islam is not all about terror and that the Islamic terrorists do not represent mainstream Islam, as a whole – that it is just a faction of it . . a radical faction. That statement needs to be heard, seen and felt strongly and often by the general public before the idea of ‘tolerance and understanding’ will be propogated through the masses.
I’m not saying it’s not been done – - I just don’t think it’s been done enough.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain what “allotted by Providence” means.
Here’s a hint; it’s not Rhode Island.
prov·i·dence • ‘prä-v&-d&n(t)s, -”den(t)s • noun
• Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin providentia, from provident-, providens
1. (a) often capitalized : divine guidance or care (b) capitalized : God conceived as the power sustaining and guiding human destiny
2 : the quality or state of being provident
See your tounge-in-cheek statement in post #21 (i.e., …unless Union soldiers were also the ‘chosen people’.)
“Occupied” is also relative. If one man sits alone in the middle of one thousand square miles, does he “Occupy” in the sense of your court decision? In the legal sense usually accepted, he would have to demark his claim and defend it. Where was the Cherokee deed showing they had purchased their land from the previous owners? And if you sincerely believe that your land was obtained illegally, you are obliged to return it.
Sometimes even the Supreme Court gets it wrong.
dear Walter E. Wallis,
when Europeans arrived in North America, indigenous peoples lost millions of acres of land. theft, murder & warfare, forced removal, deception & official government land programs have deprived them of their territories. land rights of Native Americans were never taken seriously. rather, they were seen as obstacles to the colonialist’s need for land. the Puritans did not respect the farms of Native Americans. they sought “legal”ways to get their land. if a Native American broke one of the rigid puritan religious laws, the fine was paid by giving up land. in this way, some puritans were able to amass large landholdings throughout the Massachusetts courts. John Winthrop, for example, obtained some 1,260 acres along the Concord River. (first time I tried cocaine, in the 70′s, was at Walden Pond. I’m just lousy with symbolism)
Native Americans had a very different idea about land. “originally there were no lands owned by individual Indians. all lands was held in tribal status, and its tribal governing body , the council, or headmen would a lot pieces of land for each family to useâ€, two Native American scholars explain. the Pilgrim idea of land was based on individual, private holdings. how ironic for a people who modeled themselves on ancient Israel!
ancient Israel’s understanding of the land & its distribution was more like the Native American idea of land than their own..
that was overlooked by the Pilgrims.
(from: manifest destiony:America the new Israel.
thanks, dg)
the details are sketchy in my memory & i could be wrong but didn’t wal-mart recently open a store on tribal burial grounds in New Mexcio?
manifest destiny applies to wal-mart? who knew?
it’s amazing that the ‘Trail of Tears and the ‘Long March’, where thousands of Indians died could have been prevented if only they could have gotten jobs as wal-mart greeters.
as Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise said in ‘Rainman”, ‘wal-mart sucks’.
but now we have pieces of paper that ‘legally’ entitle us to land.
what if the Indians made themselves little deeds of title? i guess the Europeans would have had to go home.
“Where was the Cherokee deed showing they had purchased their land from the previous owners?”
Perhaps it was “immanent domain” or “common law” — in any case, the country, and government system we all hold with high esteem (the US of A) ruled that the land belonged to the indians and they would have to agree by treaty to be removed.
I have a document from the very same government that says I own my property.
Walter, can you at least admit that our methods of manifest destiny and torn up treaties may have been somewhat cruel to other human beings?
And do you believe our historical right to expand is “allotted by Providenceâ€?
It didn’t stop with the great indian wars and westward expansion.
It was this same “Providence” that allowed us to steal Texas and the southwest from Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Phillipines from Spain, and the conquest of Hawaii.
Shall I go on?
when George Bush was fronting for the Texas Rangers, he conned the public into paying for the new stadium in Arlington, but not before siezing the land by imminent domain from the Curtis Mathes family, then stifffing them on a fair recompense. it wasn’t until after that ownership moved on did the Mathes family get paid.
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So, Bush stole the land, hiked taxpayers to build the stadium, then sold the Rangers for a huge profit?
Now I know why he’s always saying “God bless America.”
the Pope in the 16th century was able to grant land to whomever he chose & said it was a gift from God. the only problems with this genorosity was that often the people on the land didn’t believe what the Pope did. therefore, they were seen as ‘infidels’ deserving the wrath of the Almighty and damn well should have their lands conquered. this is how the spanish came to control south america. I guess having a deed to the land was a moot point in that God was involved and all.
i’m sure it was different here. not entirely sure.
acutually, not too sure.
gee, dg,
the last couple of days Right Voices has been alot of Left Voices. we should talk our pinko commie comrades into a coup.
i’ll bring it to the central committee who takes the pulse of the proletariat.
The pope also gave his blessings over Kings, which gave the peasants the illusion that God has ordained the King or Emperor.
It’s the same reason we put “God” on the dollar bill and in the Pledge of Allegiance.
We are not fighting a jihad with Islam…
…God bless America.
59 Shiloh, that was great! Yall have a happy turkeyday?
i figure that if some of the folks will agree that maybe the government at the time wasn’t as fair with the Native Americans as they could have been, then maybe the principle of questioning authority, even conservative doctrinal authority, will atttach to this day & age and we’ll make the leasers more responsive to their real bosses tho i know i am a voice crying in the wilderness or like a pelican alone on top of the roof.
hello – good day TAC – yes, even tho i had to work, a friend brought Thangsgiving here with all the fixins & a good time wa had by all and i ate like a hog at his trough.
you?
Fine, gonna do sum shopping,,,, oh, hang on mabe not my whfe is shiwing me her ass… Change of plans… later,
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have good time with…whatever you wind up doing.
We criticize Islam for being too radical, when most of them are not radical. They just despise our arrogance.
At the sametime we got Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, et al, and they believe this is a christian nation based on christian values (to be defined by fundamentalist evangelical christians like Falwell) and that God has a special place in his heart for America.
The christian values instilled in the Constitution were the ones that allow free will and freedom of worship — whoever.
When Bush drags God into his cesspool of war and gluttony, he desecrates those very same christian values he professes to uphold.
How could Bush be wrong when he is so sure God is on his side?
So if you quarrel with Bush, not only are you un-American, but anti-christian.
BTW — Jesus Christ was neither a Christian nor an American.
Nice post Lisa ! I agree totally with it.
i think Jesus converted to Catholicism before he died and then didn’t.
Strange how it was the Roman who crucified Christ, yet the Vatican is a country in — Rome!
Hmmmmm….
dg my friend, you go right up to the edge, dontcha. of course, sometimes you go over it, too.
conspiracy theories are some of my best friends.
After the crucifixion, Christs’ brother James argued with Peter about even creating Christianity.
James insisted that his brother was a Jew, and there was no need for a “new religion”.
What are we to make of that?
& where did this arguement take place? the corner deli? seriously – where do you find that text?
Texas was an independent nation after fighting fro freedom from Mexico, they then joined the United States, once voluntarily and once by coercion. We never owned Cuba, we gave the Phillipines independence, Puerto Rico and Hawaii can go with my blessings.
The supreme court, today, allows assaults on property rights based on fuzzy logic. I don’t know the past indian nation deals well enough to opine further than I have, but the arguments usually have very elastic opinions of what constitutes ownership. If the Indians want to sue, and many of them do, they can use the courts for recourse. If I am overcome with guilt I can always go to the neighborhood Indian casino and asuage my guilt. Justice must go forward, not backward.
I can’t remember where I read it, but I saw something else about it on the History Channel.
The argument may have been with Paul, and apparently, James changed his view on the new church, somewhat, after Jesus came to him as a spirit.
oday dg – here’s the line, & you’re in the distance, having crossed it 4 posts ago.
when i was growing up i was called kike, Christ killer & other colorful names.
as Lenny Bruce once said, “i got so tired of this, i finally said, ‘okay, enough. we did it. the Jews did it. us. my family, okay? i found a note in the basement which said, ‘i did it – i killed Christ’.
it was signed ‘uncle Morty’.
so let it go. it’s like baching Clinton. at some point, it really should stop./
anyway, that was a bit of a tangent.
the History Channel, while interesting, is not where i would go for theories regarding the genesis of the Church.
i’m familiar, somewhat, with the historical writing of Josephus, who fleshes out a lot of the enviornment surrounding the first century Church, and the religious and political personalites driving the Gospel story.
i’m sure there was a kind of religious smoke-filled room dynamic whee the bosses decided how best to accomplish their religious and yes, even a political purpose.
after all, the King of the Jews was supposed to be a conqueror of the Romans in a lot a people’s minds – not a man who washed feet. but – hey – business & profit was just not a priority.
but don’t present 71 as a fact of the matter without a bit more of a reliabler= source. maybe Fox News or the Wahington Times i could take.
not the History Channel.
House-a-phobia
Hastert Launches A Partisan Policy
In scuttling major intelligence legislation that he, the president and most lawmakers supported, Speaker J. Dennis Hastert last week enunciated a policy in which Congress will pass bills only if most House Republicans back them, regardless of how many Democrats favor them.
Hastert’s position, which is drawing fire from Democrats and some outside groups, is the latest step in a decade-long process of limiting Democrats’ influence and running the House virtually as a one-party institution. Republicans earlier barred House Democrats from helping to draft major bills such as the 2003 Medicare revision and this year’s intelligence package. Hastert (R-Ill.) now says such bills will reach the House floor, after negotiations with the Senate, only if “the majority of the majority” supports them.
the healing continues
how is this country, the posters on this website, supposed to treat each other as neighbors – the loyal opposition – when the divides are being created for the sake of naked power and agendas that half the country obviously will not support.
so much for ‘reaching out’ & ‘earning trust’.
this is not how it’s supposed to be. i’m a bit frightened.
Awww shit!
Shiloh,
How did I cross a line?
1st, I said the Romans killed Christ, not the jews.
2nd, as far as the argument between James and Peter/Paul, there were clear disagreements and it wasn’t until after Christ had risen and visited James did he “believe”.
3rd, the point I am trying to make is that nations that rely on religion, (be it jew, christian, muslim, budist, shinto, hindu, or other) to jusitfy its political ambitions is headed for disaster.
In the case of America, by declaring America a “Christian” nation, not only is it in direct conflict with the constitution, it is anti-Christian.
Manifest Destiny made it alright to slaughter Native Americans because the land was ours — “allotted by Providence”.
All the above religions should be allowed to call America “home”. Wouldn’t Christ welcome them all?
This thread is funny:lol:
Shiloh, if you did kill the son of God that wasn’t very nice.
the line i mentioned concerned taking anything the History Channel said as Gospel.
there’sd another line – a funny one, that has to do with ‘values’.
i know homosexuality and school prayer and f;ag burning are important values to discuss, and have been discussed.
poverty is a ‘moral value’, isn’t it? pretty much that discussion has concerned geting those bums off the couch and off the pipe and getting a damn job!
that’s a convenient way to dispose of those ‘other’ pesky values that are not so sexy as the ones previously mentioned.
the fact that poverty among adults and children has risen dramatically over the past 4 years is what – becuase of Clinton or 9/11?
i forgot, they’re just bums, anyway. lousy bums.
Rush Limbaugh, taking a bread from his legal/drug problems & his thrid divorce was stunned because Nicolettle Sheridan posioned the children forever on Monday Night Football. (whether this was worse than than ‘nipple’ has yet to be decided)
the country was so outraged that the stations who showed in 50 times a day got the best ratings.
i’d write more but those 2 sluts on channel 4 selling beer has made me thirsty.
at least we have values, tho.
Sex always sells, especially when it comes to conservative Republican capitalism. “Moral Values” vary in accordance with their “Stock Values”.
Re#81:
What’s wrong with the History Channel? They interview historians and clergy representing appropriate religious history who offer various points of view on pertinent subjects.
They had some good ones on this morning about King David, and his son King Solomon.
It may have been the Biography Channel, I can’t remember, but it was informative.
Tolerance my b@@@, the fact is the world and its people are that word of Intolerance, and hate and murder, and rape, its a joke, that is why my people made this nation, do any of you know what Washington said about the world? if you think you are not being controlled by some evil people right here, ask why almost no real news about chai vang who murdered 6 guys? Hey People if Vang was named Daviess or james or myther, he would be called a killing raceist dog of evil, but me pointing that out makes me the raceists pig, oh well only in the USA.