UN to hold seminar on ‘Islamophobia’
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan will open a seminar on “Islamophobia” at UN headquarters on December 7.
The seminar entitled ‘Confronting Islamophobia: education for tolerance and understanding’ will be the second in a series entitled ‘Unlearning Intolerance,’ organised by the United Nations Department of Public Information (DPI).
According to an announcement, the series aims to examine different manifestations of intolerance and explores ways to promote respect and understanding among peoples and to discuss how intolerance, wherever it exists and for whatever reason, can be “unlearned” through education, inclusion and example.
My thoughts on what would help “Islamophobia” would be far more Islamic leaders coming out and loudly denouncing the acts of the radical, fundamentals who involve themselves in acts of terror. I have heard a few come forward – - I think there needs to be more. And more often.
To educate the world public – they first need to show that Islam is not all about terror and that the Islamic terrorists do not represent mainstream Islam, as a whole – that it is just a faction of it . . a radical faction. That statement needs to be heard, seen and felt strongly and often by the general public before the idea of ‘tolerance and understanding’ will be propogated through the masses.
I’m not saying it’s not been done – - I just don’t think it’s been done enough.
i’m sure it didn’t take this long for the Pentagon to wrap their pin-heads around this sad realilty…
Terror war seen hurting U.S. in Muslim world
Radicals gain new stature, Pentagon advisory panel says.
WASHINGTON – The U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have created a shared anti-American cause among otherwise-divided Muslim extremists and raised the stature of the radicals in the eyes of ordinary Muslims, a Pentagon advisory panel says.
reputation
I thought “…major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed….”
Kofi Annan is a totally corrupt, he works for Red Chinese and worked for saddam, oh i forgot so did our government.:roll:
Sure, before Iraq the Islamic world showered us with affection?
During WWII, any ossifer who suggested we stop fighting because we might make the enemy mad would have been up for a section 8 before dinner.
And Fred, what was that movie about 7 degrees of separation or something? You drive through the intersection when the light is green, you stop when the light is red. Idiots who can not understand different conditions should neither drive nor rule.
This is the stance against terrorism and put on by the UN no less:roll: No thanks!
i wonder if the American soldier was considered a terrorist to the Indian Nations who were living very well here, thank you very much, before we came along to ‘found’ a ‘new’ nation.
Ameriphobia.
at least we honored the treaties & and gave fair recompense. o, wait.
thanksgiving isn’t a big holiday in the Crow Nation a few miles from here.
We won, they lost. We were not the first people in America to displace another people, since that was the standard behavior back then. Look at the indigenees of other American nations and ask if any of our tribes would change places.
Shiloh, no one forces you to partake of the benefits of our society. If you are ashamed of what European settlers did here, go back where you came from. I can supply a list of those you can take with you if you wish.
7 – yes, please, the list will be helpful.
Happy Thanksgiving. Let’s thank God that we live in a country where we can debate our ideals, right wing warmongers and left wing nazi’s, and views of where the good o’le US of A needs to be headed.
wait a sec walter, with that thinking, everything can be justified by saying, well everyone stole countries, so it’s all good. is there no objective morality?
i’m ok your ok, killing people for their land is okay?
TAC – good morning -if you continue to think the nazis ere mleft wing i will have to out you in the category of the insane. (you’re almost there, anyway you facist baby killer)
happy thanksgiving to you & yours.
Hey shiloh, I just put in for some job, govt. , in Montana. Scary isn’t it. Hell, we could be neighbors.:grin:
Yes, I am by dg’s definition, a pro-life warmonger. Oh, yeah, being a soldier (NG) would place me in the baby killer zone, but, being pro-life balances it out so I am simply a “warmonger”… Got Turkey?
Lax immigration policies and totally different mindsets. Interesting that we’re still strugling these on this day centuries later.
Shiloh,
when Moses led his people out of slavery and into the promised land, there were people there (Palestine).
Guess what the Old Testament says:
Exodus 33
1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Leave this place, you and the people you brought up out of Egypt, and go up to the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, saying, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ 2 I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 3 Go up to the land flowing with milk and honey.
Same ol’ shit.
I hate to start this, but I must defend my definition. Nazis weren’t Republicans, or “right wing”, or “patriots” or “militias”. They were Socialist monsters.
Their religion is being hijacked by a fanatical few, and the rest of the world is hearing crickets chirping. The bad part is that the rest of the world take that general silence as a quiet endorsement by the majority.
Nazism is clearly left-wing. Nazism has more in common with our modern left-wing. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist “exploitation” by capitalists – particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics.
6 – let me get this straight, you are COMPLAINING? about america? you are trying to go back 500 years and talk about the native americans? are you freaking OUT OF YOUR MIND? move to france…..you suck!
15: Good point, dg. And if you knew the historical importance of that area and what the people already there were engaged in at the time, you’d understand why they (the Israelites) were told to kill every man, woman and child there, make no treaty, do not take them as wives.
i think you may be confusing the terms – ‘national socialism’ and ‘socialist’. they are not necessarily synonomous.
dg – God said ‘Israel, do this and that’.
when we took over Native American lands, i believe God ‘allowed’ it. unless you’re saying the Union soldiers were also the ‘chosen people’.
glad to see you’re having a Thanksgiving kind of day.
i am simply not ignoring history for the sake of saying, ‘we’re great!’
i may suck, but i don’t ignore the other side of history, darlin.
bonjour, ‘savah?
see 18, In which part do the mentioned “values” resemble?
I’m very thankful for my country and what it represents. USA #1. I am sick of your sour grapes shit.
See you all later. I’m going to go spend time with my family and watch some football.
Awwww CRAP! I don’t want to debate today. I hope yall have a great holiday. Enjoy “family” and look to the positive side of things,,,, if just for today. Later, TAC aka Warmonger
I’m sorry
Let me be clear. I do not believe God “told” anybody to slaughter occupants of land he had already “promised” Abraham — or kill the first born in Egypt or King David’s first born son as pinishment.
“Thy shall not kill”?
“I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.”
My point is, religion is a tool to justify expansion and conquest, like “Manifest Destiny“.
thanks for the manifest destiny link, dg. intersting.
more ‘sour grapes’ in honor of sweet K who thinks i suck.
In my next life, I want to be Tom DeLay, the House majority leader.
Yes, I want to get almost the entire Republican side of the House of Representatives to bend its ethics rules just for me. I want to be able to twist the arms of House Republicans to repeal a rule that automatically requires party leaders to step down if they are indicted on a felony charge – something a Texas prosecutor is considering doing to DeLay because of corruption allegations.
But most of all, I want to have the gall to sully American democracy at a time when young American soldiers are fighting in Iraq so we can enjoy a law-based society here and, maybe, extend it to others. Yes, I want to be Tom DeLay. I want to wear a little American flag on my lapel in solidarity with the troops, while I besmirch every value they are dying for.
link to above
i suck
Actually, properly rendered, it’s You shall not murder. Big difference.
It is rather appropriate to discuss the horrible treatment of Native Americans by the US government — less than 100 years ago, let alone 500.
Think about this:
The Pilgrims (Puritans) fled England for religious freedom. When they came to Plymouth Rock (no, not the combat operation in Iraq, but the one in Mass.) the natives welcomed them, helped them farm and grow crops and introduced them to a feast where they all gave thanks.
When the Pilgrims could not convert the “heathens” to Christianity, they commenced slaughtering them.
That continued with that process all they way up until around 1910, when the few “savages” that remained were easily rounded up and put on reservations, in the middle of nowhere — out of the way of progress.
God bless America?
You’d better pray real fuckin’ hard!
It is rather appropriate to discuss the horrible treatment of Native Americans by the US government — less than 100 years ago, let alone 500.
Think about this:
The Pilgrims (Puritans) fled England for religious freedom. When they came to Plymouth Rock (no, not the combat operation in Iraq, but the one in Mass.) the natives welcomed them, helped them farm and grow crops and introduced them to a feast where they all gave thanks.
When the Pilgrims could not convert the “heathens” to Christianity, they commenced slaughtering them.
That continued with that process all they way up until around 1910, when the few “savages” that remained were easily rounded up and put on reservations, in the middle of nowhere — out of the way of progress.
God bless America?
You’d better pray real friggin’ hard!
dg you suck – move to France!
actually – you don’t suck – but, evidently there’s a more appropriate time to discuss this issue. today isn’t the time ’cause there’s football and turkey. that trumps history any ole’ day.
“I will send an angel before you and drive out the Canaanites, Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.â€
Which would that be?
Kill or murder?
the explanations i’ve heard that covers the instructions given to Israel is that the folks were so wicked-evil that it was a purification of the land more than a killing-murder, whichever it was.
Yeah, I know…
…kinda like those native American “savages” and Manifest Destiny.
I get sceert when we justify our conquests as ordained by God.
Not only that, shiloh, but the area was a center of trade and commerce. A lot of bad things like child sacrifice and such were being exported out of the area, and a heart transplant was in order.
It makes you think about the parallels between the two situations.
What two situations?
“area was a center of trade and commerce”?
I thought you were a conservative Republican capitalist?
Shilox, how far back do we go? Are you asserting that the Indians here had clear title to the lands they occupied, all granted in return for value received? Have you offered any land you might own back to the Indians in atonement? Are you really cognizant of just how the Indian Wars came about? Do you know where the phrase “Indian Giver” came from?
I know that no title I hold to land is better than my ability to defend it. I know that no one owns anything forever.
no i am not giving my land back. tell me the genesis of the Indian Wars.
it seems your saying that the Indians were the problem when expansion was the code of the road.
thrill me with your acumen.
Yes, I too am eager to hear.
Land title is an abstract term. The Indians did not have clear title in any sense of the word either then or now, any more than I have title to property just by walking over it or looking at it. We resolved differing opinions on land ownership tha same way such differences are always resolved. Please go whine somewhere else.
In 1830 the Congress of the United States passed the “Indian Removal Act.” This opened the door to removing the Cherokee people from the State of Georgia.
Before any Native Americans were forced to move, Chief Justice John Marsall of the Supreme Court ruled that the land was sovereign. He said the Cherokees would have to agree to move by signing a treaty with the United States.
The number of Cherokees supporting a treaty was small compared to the 17,000 who made up the tribe. In this case the minority ruled and the Treaty of New Echota was signed by President Andrew Jackson.
The result of this act was the Trail of Tears where Native Americans walked from Georgia to Oklahoma under very harsh conditions.
Over 4,000 lives were lost.
“Our manifest destiny [is] to overspread the continent allotted by Providence for the free development of our yearly multiplying millions.”
— John L. O’Sullivan, 1845
What does “allotted by Providence” mean?
Have you no remorse for the methods our government used to accomplish manifest destiny?
TAC — #18:
Since you think the Nazi’s were left leaning, would you say that Prescot Bushs’ business dealings with the Nazi’s make him left leaning?
39: If I had any idea what you’re talking about.
And again, you’ve made yet another unwise assumption about me.
dear Walter – you’re explanation that a lack of ‘clear title’ was a rationale for what Eurupeoans did to the Native Americans did not contain the profound wisodm i was expecting.
then you have the temerity to say “whine somewhere else.” please add to the list of countries i might go to, a list of locations where i should go whine.
that answer was disappointing, Walter. could you put a liile more effort into it?
1.) What “two situations” are you referring to in post #38?
2.) Are you saying you are NOT a conservative Republicans capitalist?
Shiloh,
Walters’ basic premise is wrong.
As I have posted, the US Supreme Court ruled that the land occupied by Native Americans, was “sovereign” which means it belonged to the Cherokee “nations” and required a “treaty” agreed upon by them to take the land.
And that, my friend Walter, is what is referred to as “indian giver”. The US government cut the deals, (i.e., treaties) then renegged.
Sorry, I can’t be proud of those facts. I can’t change the past, but I certainly want to learn by them and avoid making similar mistakes today — like we are in Iraq.
good morning dg.
i agree. the tone of my post hopefully communicated the disdain i hold not only for his premise, but also for his ethnocentric & bizarre thinking re: title.
don’t misunderstand, i thought his answer was a real hoot. who could have let that pitch go by without a home run swing?