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	<title>Comments on: Social Security Reform</title>
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	<description>in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane.</description>
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		<title>By: shiloh</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-97585</link>
		<dc:creator>shiloh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Margaret Thatcher pushed thru similar &#039;reforms&#039; in the 80&#039;s with the Pension Program (their version of social security, with private accounts.

several other countries have tried it with various degrees of success. in England, it was a massive failure with the upshot being, at present, a majority of elders there also get supplemental welfare in order not to slip into poverty.
administrative fees wound up taking up to 30% of the accounts value. the level of corruption associated with privatizing pensions was historic.
of course some people got rich.

this proposal, more so than the various militaristic adventurism that has &amp; will continue to characterize this administration, will have a deeply profound impact on this country &amp; its social structure.

the possibility that the &#039;welfare state&#039; will, by necessity, have to grow to meet the back end consequences of a hastily passed legislative program changing the social security safety net, should be enough to study the hell out of any proposal put on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Margaret Thatcher pushed thru similar &#8216;reforms&#8217; in the 80&#8217;s with the Pension Program (their version of social security, with private accounts.</p>
<p>several other countries have tried it with various degrees of success. in England, it was a massive failure with the upshot being, at present, a majority of elders there also get supplemental welfare in order not to slip into poverty.<br />
administrative fees wound up taking up to 30% of the accounts value. the level of corruption associated with privatizing pensions was historic.<br />
of course some people got rich.</p>
<p>this proposal, more so than the various militaristic adventurism that has &#038; will continue to characterize this administration, will have a deeply profound impact on this country &#038; its social structure.</p>
<p>the possibility that the &#8216;welfare state&#8217; will, by necessity, have to grow to meet the back end consequences of a hastily passed legislative program changing the social security safety net, should be enough to study the hell out of any proposal put on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-92323</link>
		<dc:creator>peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>20- Oh John:oops::oops: It only counts if a democrat says it silly!:wink:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20- Oh John<img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_ooooh.gif' alt='&#58;&#111;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#111;' />ops:<img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_ooooh.gif' alt='&#58;&#111;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#111;' />ops: It only counts if a democrat says it silly!:wink:</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-92256</link>
		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton: President Clinton: &quot;[Investing] Will Earn A Higher Return And Keep Social Security Sound For 55 Years.&quot;(President Bill Clinton, State Of The Union, 1/19/99) 

President Clinton: &quot;[W]hat I Believe We Should Do Is To Invest A Modest Amount Of This In The Private Sector, The Way Every Other Retirement Plan Does. The Arizona State Retirement Plan Does; Every Municipal Retirement Plan Does; Every Private Plan Does.&quot;(President Bill Clinton, Remarks To The Citizens Of Tucson On Medicare And Social Security, Tucson, AZ, 2/25/99) 

President Clinton: &quot;[E]ven After You Take Account Of The Stock Market Going Down And Maybe Staying Down For A Few Years, Shouldn&#039;t We Consider Investing Some Of This Money, Because, Otherwise, We&#039;ll Have To Either Cut Benefits Or Raise Taxes To Cover Them, If We Can&#039;t Raise The Rate Of Return.&quot;(President Bill Clinton, Remarks Via Satellite To The Regional Congressional Social Security Forums, Albuquerque, NM, 7/27/98</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton: President Clinton: &#8220;[Investing] Will Earn A Higher Return And Keep Social Security Sound For 55 Years.&#8221;(President Bill Clinton, State Of The Union, 1/19/99) </p>
<p>President Clinton: &#8220;[W]hat I Believe We Should Do Is To Invest A Modest Amount Of This In The Private Sector, The Way Every Other Retirement Plan Does. The Arizona State Retirement Plan Does; Every Municipal Retirement Plan Does; Every Private Plan Does.&#8221;(President Bill Clinton, Remarks To The Citizens Of Tucson On Medicare And Social Security, Tucson, AZ, 2/25/99) </p>
<p>President Clinton: &#8220;[E]ven After You Take Account Of The Stock Market Going Down And Maybe Staying Down For A Few Years, Shouldn&#8217;t We Consider Investing Some Of This Money, Because, Otherwise, We&#8217;ll Have To Either Cut Benefits Or Raise Taxes To Cover Them, If We Can&#8217;t Raise The Rate Of Return.&#8221;(President Bill Clinton, Remarks Via Satellite To The Regional Congressional Social Security Forums, Albuquerque, NM, 7/27/98</p>
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		<title>By: sandyb</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-92062</link>
		<dc:creator>sandyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>18,
No, its not PCD. Did you read the article I posted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>18,<br />
No, its not PCD. Did you read the article I posted?</p>
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		<title>By: PCD</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-91943</link>
		<dc:creator>PCD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>13, if I want a mindless whine, I&#039;ll read Liberals/Progressives criticize the Bush budget because there are no alternatives from the other side except: Eliminate defense and homeland security, Tax to the hilt, and spend the government&#039;s brains out.

sandy, don&#039;t quibble.  That is an accurate depiction of your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13, if I want a mindless whine, I&#8217;ll read Liberals/Progressives criticize the Bush budget because there are no alternatives from the other side except: Eliminate defense and homeland security, Tax to the hilt, and spend the government&#8217;s brains out.</p>
<p>sandy, don&#8217;t quibble.  That is an accurate depiction of your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-91935</link>
		<dc:creator>peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like a fascinating job though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like a fascinating job though!</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-91929</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, bad people, anyway.:oops:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, bad people, anyway.<img src='http://rightvoices.com/smilies/yahoo_ooooh.gif' alt='&#58;&#111;' class='wp-smiley' width='18' height='18' title='&#58;&#111;' />ops:</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-91928</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I am working on killing people :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I am working on killing people <img src='http://rightvoices.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-91927</link>
		<dc:creator>peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi K! I take it you are working on the DOD project at work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi K! I take it you are working on the DOD project at work?</p>
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		<title>By: sandyb</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/02/07/social-security-reform/comment-page-1/#comment-91499</link>
		<dc:creator>sandyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fairly detailed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6920720/site/newsweek/&quot;&gt;critique&lt;/a&gt; of Bush&#039;s plan by Newsweek. If you want a mindless description of Bush&#039;s plan without analysis, read Time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fairly detailed <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6920720/site/newsweek/">critique</a> of Bush&#8217;s plan by Newsweek. If you want a mindless description of Bush&#8217;s plan without analysis, read Time.</p>
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