Comments on: Terri Shiavo

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By: peejz

peejz — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:21:57 +0000

129- Because that is the case 9 out of 10 times.

By: Ellis

Ellis — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 04:21:09 +0000

127. And maybe she was married, had kids at home, and neither she nor her hubby could find work. Why do you always assume the negative? I’m not saying there aren’t system abusers (and they should be outed). There are legitimate users of the system.

By: Jeff

Jeff — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:11:35 +0000

Most of you obvious don’t have any medical background. This happens everyday and most people don’t fight the fact of letting go of a loved on. This is why you don’t hear it everyday. I know because I see it. Who in the right mind would allow someone to live that way. I know I don’t neither did she.For those of you who say its murder to let her die well its playing GOD to do CPR to bring her back and put her on a machine that feeds her when she cant do it on her own. Shame on you for your harsh remarks…and you call your selfs Christians

By: peejz

peejz — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:09:01 +0000

126- I bet she was unwed and went on the system the minute the baby was born.

By: Ellis

Ellis — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:33:24 +0000

125. I was behind one yesterday. A woman about 5’2″, slender, cart full of decent food, baby formula, etc. Maybe a box of cookies for the kids. No ho-hos, strawberry soda, candy that Kilo is so fond of. It’s interesting that all the conservatives see are the “deadbeats” – never the folks who aide is intended to help.

By: peejz

peejz — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:10:06 +0000

124- I have not seen too many.

By: Will

Will — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:57:51 +0000

44- Maybe “Foodstamps” should come with mandatory ‘classes’ on nutrition and the sources of their “income”.

42- Blaming is one more way we keep people down. Oh, seletive memory and stereotyping. How many 150 lb, healthy-eating foodstamp people have you stood behind and never took notice of?

By: Scott

Scott — Sat, 09 Apr 2005 19:56:18 +0000

This is my response to Ellis in post #93. First I thank you for your calm and reasoned approach in this discussion. I will try to emulate it.

Next, on the issue of misdiagnosing PVS, I am not a physician, so I can’t claim to speak definitively on scientific or medical matters. But the British Medical Journal published a study of PVS patients and concluded that 43% of them had been misdiagnosed. Many of these patients, with extensive therapy experienced some improvement. I’m not saying full recovery. With that high degree of error, again, shouldn’t the benefit of the doubt weighed in favor of preserving Terri’s life. I believe so. Maybe someone will say that the BMJ is a hack publication. I don’t know.

Ellis also asked what I thought about advance directives. I was saying that since life is a gift from God, it is not our prerogative to determine when or how it should end. However, as Ellis pointed out, I am not saying that there NEVER is a time to avoid extraordinary measures. My position is that if death is considered imminent and extraordinary measures such as ventilators and dialysis machines will do nothing other than prolong the dying process offer no hope of recovery, then allowing a person to die naturally is probably the right thing to do. But Terri was not sick. No one said that she was dying or that death for her was surely imminent. I am of the view that providing food and hydration is NOT an extraordinary measure. The Lutherans for Life website has lots of stuff on our position regarding advance directives.

The courts ruled in favor of casual statements allegedly made to Michael. But Terri’s brother also testified that when she was caring for an aging/dying relative, she expressed other viewpoints. Who can say for certainty what Terri would have wanted? And for that matter, which one of us could say for certainty what we would want? And finally, granting a person’s wants in cases like this is not always the right thing either. A depressed person may want to die, but I think we should treat the depression as best we can rather than killing them at their request. I understand that Terri’s condition is different, but I do not believe the case has been adequately made that she was unhappy and wanted to die anyway.

Enough for me for now. Have at it.