A Memorial Day Message From The DNC
By: Pam On: May/31/05 - 132 Comments
Fred DawesThat is old news old Nazi/Red Soros been going after the euro for 8 months the next one will be the dollar...
RobertYou simple peons, YOU are the cause of Global Warming! All that CO2 generated as you drive your cars to work is...
snowy egretWhat have they against CLARENCE THOMAS is it becuase he opposes AFERMATIVE ACTION? and RACIAL PREFRENCES?
snowy egretThe french fined this soros creep for something i cant remember and now this I HOPE HE GETS LIFE AT ELBA...
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Fred DawesRobert the system boys will put us all in prison and not one of our enemies like this lying little pig will...
Fred DawesLooks like the next move by our so called government will be to make us all into global slaves, oh i forgot...
Luigi FulkThis recall is blown out of proportion, recalls are bad but they all (manufacturers) go through them,...
RobertWell the Secretary is a lying, filthy verminous pos. He belongs in prison, not in the Administration.
Fred Dawesits all a game.
Fred DawesWell yes! the system boys got to say what the boys are told to say and why? “to many of the rats got...
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Fred DawesHey good news no one blamed Bush! but someone will soon.
Bryan E HallThey never “blamed it on Toyota”. They simply pointed out the problem was with a part...
RobertIf he was telling the truth, he wouldn’t have to “…check his past statements”....
PamBryan, maybe you should learn to read…They are blaming the recall on Toyota because it is an easy...
RobertSo Global Warming/Climate Change is also responsible for this unemployment!!! 
NOT the Government, NOT...
Bryan E HallFirst of all, GM has never “blamed the recall on Toyota” but instead simply and accurately...
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Barbara Ann JacksonScores of debt buyers and collection lawyers are DELIBERATELY exploiting borrowers’ predicament to...
May 31, 2005 - 08:43 AM on May 31st, 2005
Yeah the demacrats supporter of the little man what a joke we know the demacraps are the suppoters of greedy trial lawyers left-wing organization,big time eco-freaks,leftists hollywood celeberties and what else they claim to support the little guy but we know its a lie they support those who put them in power:razz:
May 31, 2005 - 09:46 AM on May 31st, 2005
How nice of them to honor those that fought for their freedoms!:roll:
May 31, 2005 - 09:52 AM on May 31st, 2005
Your point?
Your link goes to a site entitled “Insignificant Thoughts (http://www.insignificantthoughts.com/files/SP32-20050530-232411.jpg), the home page of which has the following header – “Insignificant Thoughts: Old Hebrew Saying: Tzarat Rabim Nahamat Tipshim”
It is not the “>DNC site. The poor quality of the link should be a giveaway.
May 31, 2005 - 09:54 AM on May 31st, 2005
http://www.democrats.org/
Sorry – this is the DNC site; my cut and paste failed –
May 31, 2005 - 09:59 AM on May 31st, 2005
3- We had no problem going to it Ellis. It must be you. It is a copy of the sites webpage as it sat all weekend. The lead story on Memorial Weekend was Tom Delay. The troops are given links at the bottom of the page. One could say they are a second thought. Clear enough for you?
May 31, 2005 - 10:00 AM on May 31st, 2005
5- And by the way, it was still that way as of 5 minutes ago.
May 31, 2005 - 10:08 AM on May 31st, 2005
Yes, I see tour overly biased point. But, did you link to the actual quote of Gov. Dean along with the supportive comments? I was able to “go to he site,” but it is a lousy quality jpg of the original; unreadable and I guess without the link to Dean’s full statement.
Also, why use “Insignificant Thoughts” as the link? Why not the actual DNC site? Or, does sourcing the original (i.e., not blogs) only relate to Dem’s sources?
While we’re on supporting the troops, what do y’all think of the Veep’s comment(s) that the troops would be out by 2009? GW religiously and consistently refused to give any timetable when asked by Kerry during campaign ‘04 as doing so would expose us to danger (i.e., the terrorists and insurgents could just wait around until we’re gone and then do their business). This sounds like a monumental flip-flop; oh, that’s right, when R’s flip it’s not flopping.
May 31, 2005 - 10:09 AM on May 31st, 2005
6. Is it a matter of national interest how often the DNC updates its blog? You ar edigging awfully low, peejz. Must not be any good “attack news” today.
May 31, 2005 - 10:10 AM on May 31st, 2005
7- No I don’t think you do see it Ellis. How it was linked is not the point. The point is that that is how the page appeared all weekend. The highlight is on Delay and not the holiday or the meaning of the holiday.
May 31, 2005 - 10:11 AM on May 31st, 2005
Oh, the RNC hasn’t updated in 4 days. Shame on them! See, two can play at this inane, senseless game. I’m done with it , though. The sad part is you’ll continue.
“May 27, 2005 : Remarks By The President At The United States Naval Academy Commencement
May 26, 2005 : RNC Endorses Jerry Kilgore For Governor Of Virginia
May 25, 2005 : Statement By RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman On The Senate Confirmation Of Justice Priscilla Owen”
May 31, 2005 - 10:12 AM on May 31st, 2005
As for your second point; had you taken the time to think it through, you might have remembered that the comments during the campaign were made prior to the elections. You might have thought it through enough to realize that at some point a timetable would have been established:roll:
May 31, 2005 - 10:14 AM on May 31st, 2005
8- That is the most ridiculous statement. They set the website up for the weekend with Delay as the lead story. Back pedal all you want.
May 31, 2005 - 10:14 AM on May 31st, 2005
9. I understood your point a number of post’s ago. Wanna tell me again that I don’t?
May 31, 2005 - 10:15 AM on May 31st, 2005
10- You are just too ignorant to get it.
May 31, 2005 - 10:18 AM on May 31st, 2005
14. Wow; didn’t take long to get you in name-calling, attack mode. You guys are so easy. For the last time, I GOT YOUR POINT LONG AGO.
You gonna answer my question re: Cheney and the “troops will be out by 2009″ and all the problems with stating a date?
May 31, 2005 - 10:21 AM on May 31st, 2005
15- refer to 11:roll:
May 31, 2005 - 10:25 AM on May 31st, 2005
16. My mistake – I missed it.
After the election? When the votes didn’t count, and it didn’t sound so macho to stay the course? Why would the dangers of giving timetables be any different today than a year ago? Might it be that the “polls” (those things you supposedly ignore) tell ya that the populace is not supporting the Pres?
May 31, 2005 - 10:28 AM on May 31st, 2005
17- No Ellis. How about what it would have done to the election in Iraq. Could it be that there was no answer at the time? And iirc GWB took hit after hit for not having an exit strategy, so that makes the point you were attempting to make moot.
May 31, 2005 - 10:45 AM on May 31st, 2005
I see that the Pres is saying that “the fledging Iraqi government is “plenty capable” of defeating terrorists whose attacks on Iraqi civilians and U.S. soldiers have intensified.” Why wait to get out? Let’s leave now and save American lives. Oh, the above quote is contrary to what I hear from military leaders on the ground in Iraq. Who’s do we believe?
May 31, 2005 - 10:47 AM on May 31st, 2005
19- And while we are at it, let’s pull our troops out all over the world:roll:
May 31, 2005 - 10:50 AM on May 31st, 2005
20. That’s an effin’ stupid comment, peejz. About what I expect from you, though.
May 31, 2005 - 10:54 AM on May 31st, 2005
May 31, 2005 - 11:06 AM on May 31st, 2005
no one gets it who doesn’t get it just like you, auntie pee.
it’s everyone else’s problem. that’s a great way to go thru life – that way you never have to open your mind to anything.
from what i’ve seen, you very successful in that regard.
Bush’s message is, preemptive war will ensure more graves for future memorial days.
he selling the premise that preemptive war is -”spreading-freedom”. i hear it’s good for some business as well.
George Bush is a disaster as a President. not as bad of course as Clinton when the world respected us and the president spoke in complete sentences and paragraphs.
May 31, 2005 - 11:07 AM on May 31st, 2005
23- Translation; Blah blah blah..:roll: What a sad little man.:roll:
May 31, 2005 - 11:24 AM on May 31st, 2005
24 – for a minute i thought you were talking about Bush’s press conference.
funny thing, when abuses are documented in Mexico, Nigeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia – the tendency is to say – sure, probably true.
let a report be critical of America and they must “hate America”. in this right wing world, everyone hates America except the right wing.
spectacularly convenient & a wee bit self-righteous.
May 31, 2005 - 12:02 PM on May 31st, 2005
23. Yes, we long for the days of corporate rip-offs (after all, it was on CLINTON’S watch that the Enron’s and worldcoms did their looting), ambushes on 8 year old cuban boys, surgical strikes on aspirin factories and burning christians alive…..yes, I yearn for those days…don’t forget the blowjobs!!!! Ah, those good ol’ days, we were the envy of the world!
May 31, 2005 - 12:29 PM on May 31st, 2005
26. Shall we bring up the Downing Street Memo, Halliburton, the Red Cross’ documemntation of Koran abuse, generals being retired at reduced rank one day after criticizing the the Dod and Rumsfeld, recruiting nightmares, the esteem that we’re held in around the world, our “go it alone and screw everyone else mentality”, on and on … Having a different view doesn’t make one an “America hater.” Quite possibly, it makes us America lovers who hate to see what’s happening. The double-talk, hypocrisy, lies, etc.
May 31, 2005 - 01:42 PM on May 31st, 2005
Dimwits forget Memorial Day
Must be really heard to remember all the holidays this country celebrates, you know like Memorial Day. How do I know this? Well it seems that the DNC forgot there was a holiday this week.
May 31, 2005 - 01:45 PM on May 31st, 2005
WHy would the democrats celebrate the very men who they called “baby killers”???
May 31, 2005 - 02:48 PM on May 31st, 2005
Mike,
Need you ask? They crave power. They’ll lie to get it. They take comfort in Prof. “Wackoff” telling them to package lies to win. It is like Donna Brazille telling the Dems to talk religious. Only thing is that everyone sees that the Dems don’t walk out their talk.
Classic example, John Kerry. Kerry touted his “Catholic Morals”, but never practiced them in his offical decision making. In fact, he did the opposite just to placate his far left, wacko supporters.
May 31, 2005 - 02:49 PM on May 31st, 2005
Well, but, in true liberal, lying fashion… Kohn was a self-hating jew……
May 31, 2005 - 02:52 PM on May 31st, 2005
31- But became one when it suited his needs.
May 31, 2005 - 02:56 PM on May 31st, 2005
28- Welcome aboard Jo!:smile:
May 31, 2005 - 05:26 PM on May 31st, 2005
1. Man, Snowy Egret, you really know how to spit that mud, do you? OK, I understand the link thing, but what was insulting to the soldiers? I don’t see anything on both links, both the Reilly one and the Ellis one.
May 31, 2005 - 05:30 PM on May 31st, 2005
Oh I get it, you say it wasn’t there… I’m sorry, then I must be crazy for seeing this:
http://www.democrats.org/blog/comment/00012121.html
Badda-bing! You’re wrong!
May 31, 2005 - 05:33 PM on May 31st, 2005
And by the way, both parties advanced their political agendas evenly. The deomcrats, they attacked Tom Delay, and also thanked the troops for all they did. The Republicans also thanked the troops, and did nothing else, knowing that people would see it as a sign they loveds and cared.
I distrust both political parties for this reason.
May 31, 2005 - 05:38 PM on May 31st, 2005
34– I wonder, you obviously don’t get it. The main part of the DNC’s Memorial Day weekend was a story on Delay. A link was posted by Howard dean. Note it is at the very bottom.:roll:
May 31, 2005 - 06:53 PM on May 31st, 2005
Is Memorial Day the day we remember those that serve for our Country, like GW Bush, who cheated his way into the Air National Guard to avoid Vietnam, then cheated his way out.
May 31, 2005 - 06:59 PM on May 31st, 2005
I am a moderate republican disturbed by the fact that our Party has been hijacked by the radicals. The corporations are lining up to go bankrupt so they can get out of paying their debit to their retired employees. Many will go hungry. Where did the money go? To huge, multi million dollar bonuses for executives for a company that is failing. Are we supporting the working man here? or the executives?
May 31, 2005 - 07:11 PM on May 31st, 2005
38-I believe it was statements like that that got Dan Rather to retire.
May 31, 2005 - 07:14 PM on May 31st, 2005
39-Who is lining up? Who is going to go hungry? “our Party has been hijacked by the radicals” radical what? Winners?
“Are we supporting the working man here? or the executives?”- It depends on what the context is.
May 31, 2005 - 09:18 PM on May 31st, 2005
No, John Jackson, Memorial day must be the day when we remember DRAFT DODGING former presidents who used their connections to go to school in Europe and demonstrate against the US….. or maybe it is to remember lying cowards who spent 3 months hiding in vietnam with an 8mm camera filming future campaign videos.
May 31, 2005 - 10:08 PM on May 31st, 2005
John Jackson, I call you a liar. You are no more a Republican than Hillary Clinton is.
June 1, 2005 - 04:36 AM on June 1st, 2005
43
moderate Republicans are attacked all the time as ‘non-believers’ & ‘ideological traitors’ by their more conservative brethren when the far right wing agenda is not followed exactly.
how many Democrats called Zell Miller, a Right Voices favorite, a liar? to you, he was the bastion of truth, to his less conservative brethren…etc.
when one side (or another) claims the absolute corner on truth & righteousness, i believe they’re always wrong. in a divided country, a claim like that never advances the goal which i hear is (theoretically) serving the American people.
June 1, 2005 - 06:40 PM on June 1st, 2005
First the remaining airline corps are going to file bankruptcy and the so called liberal judges will rule in favor of the corps and let them out of their responsibility to pay their retirees. This is money that the corps were supposed to save for the retirees, but spent on giving themselves huge bonuses. These retirees some 60, 70 years old or older are going to be without income. After the airlines the auto manuf corps will follow. This is corp greed at it’s worst.
June 1, 2005 - 06:44 PM on June 1st, 2005
And whether or not i am a current Repub is irrelevant. I am a moderate and the moderates of this Country have been split into two opposing factions. Many moderate Repubs have sided with the right wing thugs of the Party and are in power. They have sold their souls to the devil (Chaney). May God have mercy on them.
June 1, 2005 - 06:48 PM on June 1st, 2005
45-”This is money that the corps were supposed to save for the retirees,”- Not exactly John. This money is much of the time based on future earnings for future retirees. As for the bonus’, why did the unions not negotiate this into the contracts if they were worried about it? I don’t think they are a secret nor are they limited to union corporations. And weren’t the executives forced to payback the bonus? As for the Auto, they have no one to blame but themselves. That won’t be a government bailout either.
June 1, 2005 - 06:49 PM on June 1st, 2005
46-:?:
June 2, 2005 - 08:27 AM on June 2nd, 2005
So you are saying the money taken out of employees’ checks for retirement that is supposed to be invested in the interest of the employee, is fair game for executive bonuses? Have you heard about Coingate in Ohio? Government employees’ retirement money was distributed to all major Republican campaigns plus George W Bush. The money is gone. No retirement money. More greed.
June 2, 2005 - 08:30 AM on June 2nd, 2005
49, lets see the documents supporting your charges, Jackson. We don’t take bloviation by RINOs as fact here.
June 2, 2005 - 08:39 AM on June 2nd, 2005
49- Is this what you are referring to?
COLUMBUS – The number of missing rare coins purchased with state money controlled by local Republican fund-raiser Tom Noe now totals 121, documents obtained by The Blade show.
An accounting firm hired to check the inventory of rare coins purchased by Mr. Noe or his associates for the state found last year that not only were the coins missing, but 119 coins were possibly stolen by a Colorado coin dealer, according to a 2004 audit report released last week.
Mr. Noe hired the dealer to run a coin subsidiary funded with money from the Ohio Bureau of Workers’ Compensation, the agency charged with paying the medical bills and providing income to workers injured on the job.
The 119 missing coins are in addition to two coins worth $300,000 owned by the state that were lost in the mail in 2003, confirmed Jeremy Jackson, press secretary for the Ohio Bureau of Workers’ Compensation.
The state doesn’t know what happened to any of the coins, Mr. Jackson said.
The Blade first reported April 3 that since 1998 the bureau has invested $50 million in rare coin funds controlled by Mr. Noe, a local coin dealer and frequent contributor to local, state, and national Republican campaign committees.
He was President Bush’s northwest Ohio campaign chairman in last year’s presidential race and because of the contributions he raised for the President, he earned the coveted status of a Bush “pioneer.”
But his work raising cash for the President’s re-election campaign has also made him the subject of a U.S. Justice Department and FBI investigation.
U.S. Attorney Gregory White, in Cleveland, disclosed last week that Mr. Noe is the subject of the federal probe into possible
federal campaign contribution violations.
The Ohio Inspector General has also launched a separate investigation into Mr. Noe, his coin ventures, and into “alleged wrongful acts associated with the investment practices” of the bureau.
After a bureau auditor raised strong concerns in 1999 about whether the state’s millions were adequately protected in the rare coin funds, the state and Mr. Noe agreed that an accounting firm would review coin inventories and report its findings to the state. The state’s coins are stored across the country, Mr. Noe has said.
In a report covering July 1, 2003, to June 30, 2004, the accounting firm Plante & Moran found a problem with one of Mr. Noe’s Capital Coin Fund subsidiaries – Numismatic Professionals, LLC., based in Evergreen, Colo.
“There were 119 coins for which the physical location of the coin could not be determined with a total cost of approximately $93,000,” the auditor’s report stated.
“Management believes this could relate to a misappropriation of assets by a former employee during fiscal year 2004.”
The coins were purchased by Numismatic Professionals with state money the bureau gave to Mr. Noe, which he then transferred to the subsidiary.
The estimated market value of the coins, and details about them, were not included in the report.
The coin dealer who managed Numismatic Professionals at that time was Mike Storeim, of Evergreen, Colo.
He’s the same coin dealer who told authorities in 2003 that two state coins worth roughly $300,000 were lost in the mail.
Last year, Mr. Storeim was suspended by the Professional Numismatists Guild for breaching the organization’s code of ethics.
The organization, based in California, represents leading rare coin experts and is designed to make the hobby safe for collectors and investors.
“We don’t discuss ongoing cases, but I can confirm that Michael Storeim, of Evergreen, Colo., was suspended as a member of the Professional Numismatists Guild on Aug. 16, 2004, for violations of the Professional Numismatists Guild’s code of ethics,” said Donn Pearlman, a guild spokesman.
Mr. Pearlman said the guild, which has about 250 members, rarely issues suspensions.
“When there’s a reported breach of the code of ethics, that is taken very seriously. In the last 15 years, there have only been a few suspensions or expulsions,” he said.
A spokesman for Gov. Bob Taft said yesterday the governor’s office was unaware that a total of 121 coins are now missing. He referred questions to the bureau. “This is their management. This is news we’ll have to talk to the bureau about,” Mark Rickel, the spokesman, said.
State Sen. Marc Dann, a Democrat from suburban Youngstown who has been critical of the state’s rare coin investment since it was uncovered, said yesterday the revelation that an additional 119 coins are missing is more evidence that the state needs to get out of the investment and get its money back.
“From the start, I had hoped for the best and prepared for the worst. I couldn’t have imagined how bad this could be,” he said. “What’s horrible is the Republicans are so addicted to the campaign contributions, they could not get out of this thing.
“We need to work with the attorney general’s office and the bureau’s oversight commission to salvage what we can,” he said.
Democrats in the legislature have claimed that the bureau gave Mr. Noe $50 million to invest because of his generous contributions to state GOP campaign committees and Republican candidates.
Records show that Mr. Noe has over the last decade contributed more than $11,000 to both Governor Taft and former Gov. George Voinovich, now a U.S. senator for Ohio.
He has contributed more than $70,000 to other Republican candidates over the last 11 years.
Last year, Mr. Noe informed the state that an employee of Numismatic Professionals was misappropriating assets.
Mr. Noe told The Blade in a March interview that Capital Coin was studying the business deals of Numismatic Professionals, managed by Mr. Storeim.
Mr. Noe would not provide details at the time, but he said the review was unrelated to the two coins that Mr. Storeim reported were lost in the mail in October, 2003.
Mr. Noe’s Capital Coin uses wholly owned subsidiaries to buy and sell coins for the state.
Capital Coin, which was set up by Mr. Noe to take receipt of the state’s $50 million and is managed by him, provides the money for the subsidiaries to buy rare coins.
Mr. Noe then hires coin dealers he knows to run the subsidiaries.
Mr. Storeim used state money Mr. Noe gave him to buy for $185,000 the two coins he claimed were lost in the mail.
The market value of the coins was about $300,000 when they went missing.
One was an 1855 $3 gold coin, the other an 1845 $10 gold coin.
They were being sent to Mr. Storeim by Express Mail from a professional coin grading company in California, which certified their quality.
He said when he got the package it appeared that it had been tampered with.
Mr. Storeim said after opening the package, he found the two coins missing. He contacted Mr. Noe within minutes and later filed a report with the Jefferson County, Colorado, Sheriff’s Department.
The sheriff’s department ruled that it couldn’t determine how the coins were lost and closed the case, a department spokesman said.
Mr. Noe told The Blade that he accepted the explanation for the two lost state coins. However, both he and Mr. Storeim agreed they have a broader disagreement. Neither Mr. Noe nor Mr. Storeim disclosed to The Blade that any additional state-owned coins were missing.
A sheriff’s department spokesman said Friday no theft report was filed for the 119 missing coins.
Mr. Storeim Friday referred questions to his attorney, who declined comment.
Mr. Storeim also sent an e-mail to The Blade stating that he would not comment.
Mr. Noe has not returned calls to The Blade. His Toledo attorney, James Tuschman, also didn’t return messages seeking comment.
He and Mr. Noe are members of the Ohio Board of Regents, which oversees the state-supported higher education system. Mr. Noe is also chairman of the Ohio Turnpike Commission.
In an April 12 letter, Mr. Tuschman updated the bureau on the “investigation being conducted regarding probable embezzlement” by a former employee of Numismatic Professionals.
He identified that former employee as Mr. Storeim.
Mr. Tuschman wrote that the investigation started in March, 2004, based on “internal auditing controls,” and involved detailed accounting and investigation of all transactions” by Numismatic Professionals.
“Additionally, representatives from Toledo went to Evergreen, Colo., and took possession of inventory, collectibles, paperwork, and computers from the Evergreen office,” Mr. Tuschman wrote.
Mr. Tuschman wrote that Mr. Storeim’s resignation was “immediately accepted.”
Mr. Noe’s coin fund hired Plante & Moran, which has an office in Toledo, to quantify the amount of the “suspect transactions” and the potential loss, Mr. Tuschman wrote.
“It was also understood that the investigators may have to present expert testimony in a lawsuit or criminal proceeding related to the subject matter of the consultation,” Mr. Tuschman wrote.
In a March interview with The Blade, Mr. Storeim said he was in Mexico when Mr. Noe’s business partner, Tim LaPointe, came to Evergreen and “removed a great deal of personal property from my office.”
“It was all very planned,” Mr. Storeim said.
Mr. Noe previously confirmed that Capital Coin “confiscated some other coins that we felt were part of the fraud.”
After all of the charges and countercharges of fraud and theft of state-owned rare coins, a spokeman for the Bureau of Workers’ Compensation said on Friday that the bureau has “zero liability.”
Mr. Jackson, the bureau spokesman, said because Mr. Noe withheld $900,000 in bonuses that Mr. Storeim would have received and confiscated $400,000 worth of coins from the Colorado dealer, the bureau’s investments are safe.
Mr. Storeim, however, has said he will sue Mr. Noe for illegally stealing his coins. Mr. Noe, in turn, asserts he may pursue state or federal criminal charges against Mr. Storeim.
A letter and an e-mail Mr. Noe says Mr. Storeim sent to him last year provide some additional information about the state’s missing rare coins.
Mr. Noe released the March 15, 2004, letter and a March 30, 2004, e-mail to reporters last month.
The letter, signed “Mike,” states that monthly sales figures and a computer spreadsheet for coins purchased over three months didn’t match.
“I have engaged in the most self destructive, irrational behavior possible … left everybody a paper trail five miles wide to make sure that I couldn’t continue, and been in denial I did anything wrong,” the letter stated.
The March 30, 2004, e-mail from Mr. Storeim’s e-mail address to e-mail addresses for Mr. Noe and Mr. LaPointe states: “It is very important to me that any person that I wronged … be made whole during this process, and I don’t think you can do it without my help.
“As I have stated before, I accept responsiblity for my actions and am not trying to hide anything. You cannot imagine the remorse and guilt that I feel and the only way for me to lessen those feelings is to make sure that everyone is treated fairly, as quickly as possible.”
The e-mail stated it was also from “Mike.”
Mr. Storeim isn’t the only manager of a subsidiary buying and selling rare coins for the state who has caused problems for Mr. Noe and financial losses for the bureau’s investment fund.
Mark Chrans, of Malibu, Calif., who was hired in 1998 by Mr. Noe to manage Visionary Rare Coins, a wholly owned subsidiary of Capital Coin, caused Mr. Noe’s state-funded coin ventures to write off $850,000 over the last three years because of bad coin deals, an unpaid loan, and salary advances.
The Blade reported April 22 that Chrans was convicted in 1986 in a federal court in Springfield, Ill., of faking a coin transaction to cover up drug money.
He spent less than a year in prison after being found guilty of fraud and perjury.
Mr. Noe admitted after the conviction was reported in the newspaper that he had not done a background check on Chrans before handing over to him hundreds of thousands of dollars in state investments.
Blade Staff Writer Steve Eder contributed to this report.
June 2, 2005 - 08:39 AM on June 2nd, 2005
Let’s talk Enron. The pride and joy of GW Bush. Ken Lay and his executives helped the Bush admin change regulations to allow unfettered greed to run rampant and steal billions from hard working Americans. Arthur Anderson company was involved. But the SEC pulled the string that unraveled the debacle. So the Bush judiciary did a poor job of prosecuting and the conservative Supreme Court just threw out the conviction of the Arthur Anderson Co. Next the head of the SEC was fired for doing his job. What next? Judge P. Owen and other right wing appointed judges will throw out Key Lay’s conviction. Corruption is rampant in the Bush administration. Shame.
June 2, 2005 - 08:41 AM on June 2nd, 2005
52- Back to Coingate. And by the way, the SC just overturned the conviction on A.A.
June 2, 2005 - 08:45 AM on June 2nd, 2005
52- And the White House is ticked about the overturn of the conviction.
June 2, 2005 - 08:46 AM on June 2nd, 2005
Just in case you need a history lesson, JJ…Enron did all of their looting between 1997 and 2000
I suppose it was Bush’s fault, hmmmm???????
June 2, 2005 - 08:47 AM on June 2nd, 2005
55- He ran when confronted on coingate. Must be Ellis’ friend:roll:
June 2, 2005 - 08:56 AM on June 2nd, 2005
people seem to quickly forget that Enron did all of their looting under the nose of the CLINTON justice department, and was brought to justice under the BUSH Justice department.
But, don’t let FACTS get in the way of some good ol’ Bush Bashing.
June 2, 2005 - 08:59 AM on June 2nd, 2005
56, I think it is Ellis in another guise. Same anti-Bush animus, same Democrat talking points, same misinformation, and also when nailed, like ellis and shiloh, they try to change the subject.
I wonder why ellis, shiloh, and “jackson” are so dishonest to not admit that Lay slept in the Lincoln bedroom during the Clinton Admin, when the Clintons were selling that privilege for campaign contributions, and that Clinton Treas. Sec, Robert Rubin, went begging the Bush Admin. to help bury the Enron scandal and illegalities?
Nothing like facts to ruin a good Anti-Bush rant.
June 2, 2005 - 09:05 AM on June 2nd, 2005
57- Anyone that read their stock reports, could have seen the numbers were way out of whack. People don’t usually question things when they are making money. They also fail to realize that it is the Bush administration that has pushed for the prosecution of these people. They were angry about the S.C. overturning the conviction of AA.
June 2, 2005 - 09:06 AM on June 2nd, 2005
58- I was told yesterday that that is “politics”
June 2, 2005 - 09:11 AM on June 2nd, 2005
It’s amazing that because these lefties say “Bush” and “Enron” in the same breath, people actually believe that Somehow all this happened under the Bush administration, when, in fact, it happens under Clinton’s not-so-watchful eye.
Simply amazing.
But then again, the libs have blacks actually believing that they are looking out for them, so anything is possible.
June 2, 2005 - 10:25 AM on June 2nd, 2005
61- I think is speaks for the more simple minded sector of society.
June 2, 2005 - 10:29 AM on June 2nd, 2005
62. Yes, it does. It speaks to the idiots who actually believe what they see on TV.
It speaks to the idiots in the 70’s who actually voted Walter Cronkite the “most trusted man in america”
That’s frightening… a friggin talking head, reading from a teleprompter…trusted…Yikes.
June 2, 2005 - 01:53 PM on June 2nd, 2005
GW Bush and Ken Lay were great friends before he became President. Lay and Enron were big financial supporters of Bush. I suppose you will try to say the Haliburton rip-offs were Clinton’s fault too. What about the 8.8 billion dollars missing in Iraq today? H-a-l-i-b-u-r-t-o-n = C-h-a-n-e-y = G-R-E-E-D. And you believe that the WH is upset about the SC overturning the AA case. They are laughing in their martinis like they will when Ken Lay get out. It’s their activist judges. Cut Medicaid and give huge tax breaks to the rich. Yeah they are looking out for the common man.
June 2, 2005 - 02:02 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Notice how when JJ the nutcase’s enron charge is debunked, he moves ever-so-hamhandedly right to Haliburton!!!
It’s comical.
he’s a moderate.
June 2, 2005 - 02:07 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Mike, JJ isn’t a RINO, he’s a democrat troll. Notice he can’t charge democrats with greed. Remember the Keating 5? McCain and 4 Democrats, including John Glenn who were greedy, yet not a peep out of leftists like JJ.
Also, notice Zelda doesn’t chide any leftist to criticize Leftist democrats.
June 2, 2005 - 02:09 PM on June 2nd, 2005
JJ is classic, he fit Enron, Halliburton and “tax cuts for the rich” into the SAME POST!
kudos!
June 2, 2005 - 02:11 PM on June 2nd, 2005
I’m just trying to follow JJ’s logic. Bush and Lay were friends while Lay and Enron were looting the company under the eye of the CLINTON administration
and it’s BUsh’s fault????
is that what you are saying?
June 2, 2005 - 02:17 PM on June 2nd, 2005
and while were at it…. why wouldnt Bush and Lay be friends? Bush was governor of Texas and Lay ran one of the largest ocmpanies..should they have been enemies?
Our governor, Ed Rendell, is friends with Brian Robers, CEO of Comcast…..is that not allowed in JJ’s world????? Should government automatically be hostile to business???
How should we behave, John Jackson, please tell us.
June 2, 2005 - 02:20 PM on June 2nd, 2005
69, In JJ’s world, if you don’t “work” for a living, everything should be taken from you and redistributed to the good workers. People like him turn a blind eye to the evil rich like Kerry, Kennedy, Heinz-Kerry, Soros, and others who are Progressives with other people’s money, not their own.
June 2, 2005 - 02:30 PM on June 2nd, 2005
It really is mind-boggling. I’m fascinated by what goes on in the liberal mind. I really am. How you can be so stupid as to simply hear something repeated over and over again, and then, in lemming-like fashion, start repeating it yourself. Pavlov would be so proud.
Do they EVER think for themselves????
June 2, 2005 - 02:35 PM on June 2nd, 2005
71, Mike, how long have you observed Zelda, shiloh, ellis, sandyb…?
None of them think, just repeat charges and dogma they’ve heard elsewhere.
Ellis can’t keep his job and I’m beginning to wonder if shiloh just spouts here because the say the things he says here on his real job would get him real trouble.
June 2, 2005 - 02:38 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Yeah, and their preferred method of debate seems to be throwing food….. at women…….and missing.
June 2, 2005 - 02:38 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Mike, just a side question that I have no other way of asking privately. Is your wife Korean? I have a Korean daugher. I find it sick that people who have more than one race in their family are some of the first to be called racists on these boards.
June 2, 2005 - 02:42 PM on June 2nd, 2005
No, she is Japanese. She’s there right now, coming back on Saturday.
Yeah, don’t you know, I’m a racist, hillbilly…. because my wife is Japanese, my friends are asian, african, gay, etc., I speak French, German, English and Chinese……
but, Hey, I”m just a right wing racist..don’t forget!!!
June 2, 2005 - 02:47 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Your point is SO true.. I know limosine liberals whose only close contact with minorities are the ones cleaning their homes, yet it is US that are the racists….
typical.
June 2, 2005 - 02:52 PM on June 2nd, 2005
75, 76, Yes, and among my friends are a couple from Mainland China, His father is a Col. in the PRC, and she’s emigrated North Korean. Both of them are naturalized US Citizens who happen to be Born Again Christians.
Oops, I forgot, to the “Progressives”, Born Again Christians are Terrorist animals that have to be silenced, especially if they aren’t white.
June 2, 2005 - 02:54 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Mike, sometimes my daughter gets mistaken for being Japanese because she has some Japanese features and is tall.
June 2, 2005 - 03:05 PM on June 2nd, 2005
My wife usually gets mistaken for something else ’cause she is shorter with dark skin….
who knows, at least no one guesses that I’m French….which, embarassingly enough, I am.
June 2, 2005 - 03:07 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Let me correct that….
I’m AMERICAN… my family was smart enough to leave that shit hole.
June 2, 2005 - 03:12 PM on June 2nd, 2005
Mike, my grandnephew is 1/4 French and 1/4 Black.
June 2, 2005 - 06:27 PM on June 2nd, 2005
You generalize my statements and bring up other issues but fail to address the issues. I agree there are evil Democrats. But the current subject is the Bush Administration. Would you agree that Enron was evil and stole billions of rate payers and taxpayers money? Would you agree that Haliburton is making huge profits due to the war at taxpayer expense? Do you know what profiteering is? I am a moderate. I have not been a supporter of the Democrats until GW Bush came along and is scaring the **** out of me. His budget reduces Medicaid by $10 billion and gives his supporters $109 billion in tax breaks. The corporations won’t pay for this war, Bush and his rich friends won’t pay, the moderate middle class will pay. Not all corporations are greedy, but those that are associated with the Bush admin are.
June 2, 2005 - 07:04 PM on June 2nd, 2005
And I ask you again, JJ…when did Enron do all of their looting?????
June 2, 2005 - 07:11 PM on June 2nd, 2005
John Jaaaacccckkksssooooonnn. Moderates have no backbone.
June 2, 2005 - 07:12 PM on June 2nd, 2005
I’ll answer your question…between 1997 and 2000
you are a crazy person.
June 3, 2005 - 06:17 AM on June 3rd, 2005
JJ, you are a democrap troll. You parrot charges with no evidence except your over tight underwear. I’d like to shove Enron up your rearend for all you really know about it you Marxist.
June 3, 2005 - 08:55 AM on June 3rd, 2005
Not sure what the time period has to do with it. Lay shared his loot with Bush not Clinton. Enron stole billions from middle class tax payers and ratepayers. Where did the money go? To powerful Republicans. Enron was a republican company and bought people like Bush and Owen. Now it is Haliburton’s turn. They own Chaney lock stock and barrel. They are raking off billions off the war. While middle class kids are dying, Chaney is counting his money. What happened to the missing 8.8 billion dollars? It was used to buy a floundering Russian oil company. Greed is rampant in the Bush administration. Nixon, Reagan, GHW Bush, Carter, Clinton were all moderate presidents. Bush is completely controlled by the extreme right wing.
June 3, 2005 - 09:59 AM on June 3rd, 2005
87-” Enron stole billions from middle class tax payers and ratepayers.”- no they didn’t steaL IT. The investors didn’t keep their eye on the ball. Had they paid attention when things looked good they would have determined that things were not as they appeared. Again, the only time people usually pay attention is when a bad thing happens.
“Now it is Haliburton’s turn. They own Chaney lock stock and barrel. They are raking off billions off the war” Actually he owns them to a certain extent. He is a stockholder. As for the company, they are making money as well as their competion. Halliburton been hiring to share the work. Someone has to get the work. Why not the best? Do you even know what they have accomplished? Or are you just more fixated on what you believe them to be?
June 3, 2005 - 02:14 PM on June 3rd, 2005
After regulations were loosened, Enron artificially inflated energy prices at the expense of the ratepayers and taxpayers. The huge sums of money they stole, they split among themselves and the politicians they bought. A good friend of mine lost his complete retirement when Enron took control of his company and reinvested (w/o his consent) all of the company retirement money in their own (Enron) stock. Somehow you will find a way to blame him. Now you want to take Social Security from him too. Shame on you. The executives got richer and the taxpayers and ratepayers got poorer. That’s the right wing way. Give the middle class money to the rich.
June 3, 2005 - 03:16 PM on June 3rd, 2005
89- “Somehow you will find a way to blame him”- No one can take control of your retirement account without your knowledge. Get some of the facts. As it is, ignorance is no excuse.
June 3, 2005 - 04:44 PM on June 3rd, 2005
I get the feeling JJ has a beef with Enron.
June 3, 2005 - 06:17 PM on June 3rd, 2005
Most company retirement accounts are completely controlled by the company. I have personal knowledge of two people that have lost their complete retirement funds w/o having any say so. Plus a wife of a friend who’s retirement annuity has been reduced by half and her health benefits taken away completely. Have you heard of United Airlines? The money taken out of the employees’ paychecks is gone. The “activist” judge said “oh well” and the company lives on. The executives keep drawing their unreal salaries. This is corporate greed gone wild. More companies will follow. Screw the worker, the Bush slogan.
June 3, 2005 - 07:04 PM on June 3rd, 2005
john jackson;
I’m really don’t understand how you are blaming President Bush for this. I think you should redirect your statements to the legislative branch of the last 10-20 years for not addressing this problem.
June 3, 2005 - 09:50 PM on June 3rd, 2005
John Jaaaccckkkkssooooon. Why are you ATTEMPTING to pass yourself off as a moderate? Hell I detest moderates more the left wing nuts. At least left wing nuts say “this is where I stand”. No backbone to moderates.
Anyway, you are the typical garden variety left wing wacko. Be proud…… Unless you ever run across the likes of me. And then, hide in shame.
June 3, 2005 - 10:29 PM on June 3rd, 2005
92-You obviously have no knowledge. There are risks involved in retirement accouts. The are losses as well as gains. Did your friends wife complain when she was making money? I would bet not.
June 3, 2005 - 10:30 PM on June 3rd, 2005
94- It’s Ellis’ friend. Need we say more?
June 3, 2005 - 11:36 PM on June 3rd, 2005
96. as in “friend”. You know like when a guy says “me and my FRIEND went to Toronto this weekend”. You usually hear this type of conversation in hair salons etc.
June 4, 2005 - 08:47 AM on June 4th, 2005
97-:lol:
June 7, 2005 - 02:25 PM on June 7th, 2005
First of all, moderates rule. You assume any one left of Hitler(Chaney) are left wing. I have voted both Repub and Demo for President. I notice that your responses only spout hate. As far as my friends wife’s retirement, she never “made” money. She was forced to pay a portion of her check into the company retirement account. The company had complete control of the account. She never got a dime back. The executives drained the money dry, then went bankrupt. Corp greed.
June 7, 2005 - 02:35 PM on June 7th, 2005
99-”She was forced to pay a portion of her check into the company retirement account”-I don’t think so.
June 7, 2005 - 02:47 PM on June 7th, 2005
This guy is a moderate who calls the Vice President Hitler
and you expect us to lend credibility to ANYTHING you say???
June 8, 2005 - 08:39 AM on June 8th, 2005
Chaney believes in war, torture, one party rule, corporate greed, raping the environment, stealing old peoples pensions, he is wicked. GWB is just hapless. Bring back the Repub moderates. John McCain for example or Colin Powell. Kick the Nazi’s out. By the way, i see Delta Airlines is going to bail on their retirees. The rest of the airlines will follow. Easy way for the companies to make hundreds of million dollars. GM and Timken Ind. are going to move out of the country as Boeing already has. In the meantime we are spending $300,000,000,000 on Iraq. Bush economics will kill this Country.
June 8, 2005 - 08:43 AM on June 8th, 2005
Hey John…how is the rubber room these days???
wipe away the drool.
June 8, 2005 - 08:46 AM on June 8th, 2005
102-The unions destroyed manufacturing in the country. You can try to blame anyone you want, but the fault lies on the unions shoulders.
June 8, 2005 - 08:52 AM on June 8th, 2005
it’s ironic that those idiots in unions cry about “outsourcing” when they are ones WHO CAUSED IT!!!!!
June 8, 2005 - 08:56 AM on June 8th, 2005
105-They cry about corporate greed, yet won’t concede on costs. And then can’t figure out why the company is out sourcing. GM has 1.1 milion current/retired employees on their health coverage at a rate of 5 billion per year.
June 8, 2005 - 09:01 AM on June 8th, 2005
Liberals are the most selfish fucks I have ever seen.
June 8, 2005 - 09:02 AM on June 8th, 2005
107-They are always more generous with other peoples money!
June 8, 2005 - 09:03 AM on June 8th, 2005
Who cares about future generations…as long as I get my government pension and health care and erection medicine, and food stamps..F the rest of you!!!!!
June 8, 2005 - 09:03 AM on June 8th, 2005
JJ is just another hippie/leftist who desires the moral cover of being a moderate for his Wacko-Progressive rants. He is a RINO, if not a cancer in the party. He spews left wing hate and venom and only has Marx for his answers. That is no way an American moderate. Moderates don’t lead they cower and follow.
I’m sure that JJ wants the ineffective, grovelling moderates back like do-nothing Bob Michael of Ill back wimping out as GOP leadership when Tom Foley and Tip O’Neill were running roughshod over the house and didn’t respect any “Minority Rights” as the Democrats are now demanding for themselves.
June 8, 2005 - 09:04 AM on June 8th, 2005
…but isn’t it hilarious how Conservatives are allegedly the party of “greed”?????????
What is more greedy, attempting to reduce the tax burden so business can prosper and thus hire more people?
or the unproductive bleeding the rest of us dry?
June 8, 2005 - 02:08 PM on June 8th, 2005
Mr. Kilo, Bush gave tax breaks to rich individuals not companies. For example, the rich executives and owners of Timkin Ind. got huge tax breaks. Now they are closing three factories in the US and opening some in China. Where did the tax money go? The rich are investing outside the US. As far as “bleeding us dry”, I suppose that if a Demo gets the Presidency and raises taxes to pay the $300,000,000,000 and counting, you will blame him. It’s the spenders not the taxers. GWB gave meager tax breaks to the middle class and huge tax breaks to the top .01% while the national debit is skyrocketing. Taxes will be needed someday. Is GM hiring with their tax breaks or laying people off. Boeing used their money to move production to Japan. Enron was a Republican corp as is Haliburton.
June 8, 2005 - 02:13 PM on June 8th, 2005
JJ.. you are a fucking moron… for the millionth time, are you even aware that Enron did all of their looting between 1997 and 2000?? Who was president then? Who was head of justice?? who had jurisdiction at that time? you dickhead.
and, while we are at it, asshole, the top 3% of wage earners already pay 50% of the tax burden…would you have them pay more? You socialist fuck.
June 8, 2005 - 02:29 PM on June 8th, 2005
Mikey, can you engage in one debate without the use of ad hominem personal attacks or do you have such an antisocial disorder that the only way you can make yourself feel good is by tearing others down.
June 8, 2005 - 02:33 PM on June 8th, 2005
114. It always makes me feel better
June 8, 2005 - 02:36 PM on June 8th, 2005
fair enough Sabor, when one of these geniuses refutes the FACTS that you’ll find in between my ad hominum attacks, but If I hear one more Bush=Enron, or Tax cuts for the rich, I’m gonna fucking hit someone.
think, you idiots.
June 8, 2005 - 02:36 PM on June 8th, 2005
The DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines anti-social personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
2. deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others
6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
I definitely know you can put a check next to 4 and 7, the others I wouldn’t know since I don’t know you that well, but i can see the two I know on a daily basis. You should seriously get some help…The FDA is doing great things these days, helping people lead normal, productive lives.
June 8, 2005 - 02:37 PM on June 8th, 2005
JJ is famous for his drive-by idiocy.
He seems unaware that Enron did their thieving during Clinton’s watch, and that the “rich” already shoulder the OVERWHELMING share of the tax burden in this country.
June 8, 2005 - 02:39 PM on June 8th, 2005
isn’t the The DSM-IV also used to diagnose virtually every child with the slightest abnormal behavior as having ADHD, so the drug companies can prescribe and sell more Ritalin?
Fuck off.
June 8, 2005 - 02:41 PM on June 8th, 2005
It’s used for a variety of mental disorders which may or may not be over-prescribed.
June 8, 2005 - 02:44 PM on June 8th, 2005
117… most liberals could check the majority of your little items sabor.
June 8, 2005 - 02:48 PM on June 8th, 2005
seems like the majority of politicians to me…..
June 8, 2005 - 02:48 PM on June 8th, 2005
I agree, but I was talking about Mike
June 8, 2005 - 02:53 PM on June 8th, 2005
Sabor, while you amatuer diagonis is very kind, it’s also not require or desired.
June 8, 2005 - 02:56 PM on June 8th, 2005
neither are your personal attacks
June 8, 2005 - 02:58 PM on June 8th, 2005
See a professional then.
June 8, 2005 - 03:07 PM on June 8th, 2005
Blow me.
June 8, 2005 - 03:34 PM on June 8th, 2005
Sabor, your type of condesension rates a punch in the nose. I never see you advise anyone to break their drug addicions or counsel the left on their mental disorders. You want to take your DSM-IV and look up homosexuality? It was in the DSM until the liberals took over the Psych schools and wrote it out of the book. Wnat to talk about nuts on the loose, let’s start with Al Franken who threatens everyone he disagrees with then physically attacks from the rear.
June 8, 2005 - 03:40 PM on June 8th, 2005
yeah PCD, it seems like pie throwing is the debate method of choice for today’s loony left…..at girls, no less.
June 8, 2005 - 04:26 PM on June 8th, 2005
127: you would like that, wouldn’t you
128: Like I said it was for MIke only, a person I was talking to, who seems to have a problem with civil conversations. I speak to individuals, not groups of people. i.e. conservatives, liberals, homeless people, or racists. But thanks anyways.
June 8, 2005 - 04:33 PM on June 8th, 2005
130-We all talk together. Had you paid attention you would have noticed.
June 9, 2005 - 08:01 AM on June 9th, 2005
Mike, To try to discuss intellectually with you further is futile. Obviously you have problems. My God bless your soul.