NY Times
Senator Hillary Clinton castigated President Bush and Washington Republicans today as mad with power and bent on marginalizing Democrats during a speech to 1,000 supporters at her first major re-election fund-raiser, which netted about $250,000.
Mrs. Clinton, who is running for a second term in 2006 and is widely described as a possible Democratic nominee for the presidency in 2008, said that her party is hamstrung because Republicans dissemble and smear without shame and the news media has lost its investigatory zeal for exposing misdeeds.
Left unchallenged, especially if Democrats fail to pick up seats in next year’s Congressional elections, she said, Republican leaders could ram through extremist conservative judges, wreck Social Security and make unacceptable concessions to China, Saudi Arabia and other nations that are needed to finance the United States budget deficit.
“There has never been an administration, I don’t believe in our history, more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to further their own agenda,” Mrs. Clinton told the audience at a “Women for Hillary” gathering in Midtown Manhattan this morning.
“I know it’s frustrating for many of you; it’s frustrating for me: Why can’t the Democrats do more to stop them?” she continued to growing applause and cheers. “I can tell you this: It’s very hard to stop people who have no shame about what they’re doing. It is very hard to tell people that they are making decisions that will undermine our checks and balances and constitutional system of government who don’t care. It is very hard to stop people who have never been acquainted with the truth.”
150-:roll:
150
Peejz
I agree with you completely on this ;0)
150,
Actually, I saw a dead soldier on last night’s news. Also was references the 1700+ dead soldier, but the figures was the current amount.
Ted
Ted,
you are pin-point correct on this… It is the number of dead that is most important.
Jim lehrer does his teary-eyed little tribute every day at the end of the News Hour.
What I want to know is….. 1,700 american soldiers have lost their lives in over 2 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, toppling brutal and hostile regimes and liberating 50 million people
in the same time, in New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and DC alone, 2,235 people have been murdered on the streets…
when is Mayor Williams, Mayor Street, etc. going to be comfortable announcing an end to major combat operations in these ghettos????
….just a little perspective for you folks.
155-Hey, don’t add reality to this:wink:
150, Max, your MoveOn.org hysteria dosen’t move me. You going to try to tell me that “October Surprise” was true, too?
157- You mean it wasn’t?
154,
An attempt to twist words will get you nothing more than a label of “just another Michael Moore” with me and just places you in the category of those whose opinions I can not respect.
155,
Perspective is what is lacking, you are correct. Here is what it boils down to for anyone who is concerned:
Was the war warranted?
If one thinks it was, then one can not possibly think that the 1700 men and women who gave their lives was in vain. Given history and proper perspective.
If one thinks it was not, then the lives were needlessly given, pacifists aside.
Ted
gentlemen,
my point simply is that we have 2 very opposite news broadcast forums(far right and far left) …
there is absolutly nothing in the middle.
I find that one must view as many sources as possible (from all views) and make an effort to decipher what small amounts of truth one can…
here I go… agreeing with ted yet again
160-Now you say your arguement is the news? Please:roll: IMO, you don’t like what you hear, therefore the problem is the source, or lack of it. It couldn’t possibly be you.
you are right… I don’t like what I have been hearing.
But, the issue is that major corporations now own the media outlets. Therefore they refuse to upset the applecart with actual reporting. Everything is sugarcoated. They don’t want to piss of anybody (left or right). There are stockholders to answer to now… And we the public are the ones that suffer (no matter where you stand on the political playing field)…
163-I could very easily turn that arguement around and ask why I don’t hear of the good that is coming from the war. Everynight on the local and national news, I hear the bad, but I usually need to scour the papers to find any good. I am not sure where it is you get your news, but there is no shortage of war reports on my television.
Are you now calling for a change in the laws concerning the ownership of Media Outlets?
Peejz,
It is a war… good news and war are mutually exclusive terms..
Changing the laws concerning ownership of media outlets would help. I’m not sure of the best way to do that, but it couldn’t make things any worse.
Example: (though not pertaining to news) look at the mess that Clear Channel has done to radio in this country.
165-I disagree. Much good has come of this war. I am sorry you are not able to see that.
peejz
you mean…
25 million muslim women no longer subject to virtual slavery?
Rape rooms closed down?
Schools and hospitals being built?
Mass graves no longer being filled?
you mean those GOOD things?????
144. I assure you that my source is solid and legitimate. He is in the news field. I choose not to enter his name in this forum. You don’t believe me? I don’t give a flying fig newton. Anything that contardicts your position, pcd, or impugns your statement(s) is marginalized with a simple “BS” from you and your ilk. Does it feel good to always be right? Perhaps why it’s “right wing” … y’all neve rmake a mistake; just asl any of you.
167-There you go:wink:
146. peejz, the info you were given prior to the invasion came from the same people who the memos suggest did wrong. What did you expect pre-invasion? Misleading is misleading … some call it lying.
170-I wasn’t misled about anything. And by the way, if your source is so good, why not post his/her name?
c’mon ellis…I haven’t heard one yet today..
let’s get a BUSH LIED!! HALIBURTON!! CARLYSLE GROUP!!!
how exactly do Michael Moore’s nuts taste as they slap ever-so-gently on your ready chin?
168,
I don’t think it is unreasonable fr anyone on this forum to ask anyone else to back up their claims with proof.
170,
I will once again put forth the challenge- please show me where George Bush lied about the war.
Ted
171. peejz, I choose not to get a friend involved with the numb-nuts here. I respect him too much. Shed all the doubt you want. The truth hurts, huh?
172. kilogram, you’re such a fool.
oh, I’m the fool
like ted said…please show me ONE thing that the president LIED about.
ONE THING!!!!
174- I look at it as a lie Ellis
Gotta run, folks. I’ll check back again some time. Just can’t stay away … guess I need to remind myself that there are real live folks who think like y’all do (the right wingers). BTW, the truth on most of the issues raised here probably lies somewhere in the middle.
176. So be it, peejz. It’s what I was told. Ciao.
People who stand in the middle of the road……….get run over.
179-:lol:
Yet another challenge left unanswered.
Ted
ever thought perhaps that not many people have the time to keep up with the 3 of you tag teaming them? just because someone leaves does not give you a victory. and no I don’t want to take their place.
183,
It isn’t a matter of time. It is a matter of one getting their facts straight. It is a challenge I put forth because I know it is one that can not be met.
When someone makes an assertion a fact, it is time to provide proof.
Ted
Ok just to please you tell me about WMD… should be easy, you must have this one well polished by now (oh and I have 4 minutes before home time)
No comment? Oh man you disapoint me again…. I’m off
what about the WMD???
you mean the WMD’s that John F. Simoes Ferierra Heinz Kennedy Kohn said were there?
or the WMD’s that William Jefferson Blythe Clinton said were there (between head sessions)
or the WMD’s that the entire US congress said were there?
or maybe the WMD’s that the CIA and British Intelligence said were there?
Or maybe the WMD’s that the dead Iranians and Kurds in Mass graves experienced FIRST HAND???
those ones?
yes, I can see how you might think that President Bush made it all up out of thin air…just to enrich Haliburton’s pockets..I totally get that.
idiot.
184,
I’m not the one making the assertion that Bush lied. The burden of proof is not mine to carry.
Ted
by their logic, Bush, the entire congress, the UN, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, British Intelligence, Tony Blair, etc. etc. etc….ALL LIARS.
The fact that there still are idiots in this country that think the way you people do is most disheartening to normal Americans. You all would have been very comfortable living in Nazi Germany.
Wait, thats it, I must have stumbled upon the website of the American Nazi Party!
Have any of you ever had an original though for yourself, or do you just take the brownshirts line of bull and consider that the absolute truth?
Lol, calm down guys, calm down, just playing devils advocate, I support the war 100% and for a lot less reasons than they came up with. For me Sadam’s a asshole was good enough. It does upset me that they had to justify their actions beyond that simple fact, especially the WMD story, it was simply one excuse too many. You have to admit that the post war political climate would have been better without the whole WMD crap.