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	<description>in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane.</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Dawes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will cost 800 billion and more.</description>
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		<title>By: FrmrArtyOffcr</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/30/f-d-b/comment-page-1/#comment-192983</link>
		<dc:creator>FrmrArtyOffcr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 04:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually most of the money needs to go to the infrastructure. States&#039; rights doesn&#039;t apply to federal money. The states had virtually no say into how the WPA program operated in their state. It needs to be a simple, submit a proposal to the government agency, they examine it, approve it and audit the finances on an almost continual basis. As for the Sugar Cane research lab, is there any greater reason why the federal government needs to control the money? Or does the fact that the NO levee commission misappropriated levee funds to build a mardi gras fountain need to be brought up to bolster the case? The neat thing about federal money is that if Congress wants, it can earmark the money and place it under VERY strict guidelines concerning its use. Then it becomes a follow the rules or lose the money and not get anymore. The best way to do it is to limit the amount of money any project gets at any one time. Sort of like a really big allowance, show you&#039;re using it wisely or lose it. That way the states who were making the most of their money would get more, those who weren&#039;t using their money wisely would get less. The thrifty states would not only get their full allotment on a fiscal quarter, but they&#039;d also get to keep the remaining amount from the previous quarter. Things would get done quickly and efficiently when it became abundantly clear that cost overruns and graft were going to cost their constituents jobs and services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually most of the money needs to go to the infrastructure. States&#8217; rights doesn&#8217;t apply to federal money. The states had virtually no say into how the WPA program operated in their state. It needs to be a simple, submit a proposal to the government agency, they examine it, approve it and audit the finances on an almost continual basis. As for the Sugar Cane research lab, is there any greater reason why the federal government needs to control the money? Or does the fact that the NO levee commission misappropriated levee funds to build a mardi gras fountain need to be brought up to bolster the case? The neat thing about federal money is that if Congress wants, it can earmark the money and place it under VERY strict guidelines concerning its use. Then it becomes a follow the rules or lose the money and not get anymore. The best way to do it is to limit the amount of money any project gets at any one time. Sort of like a really big allowance, show you&#8217;re using it wisely or lose it. That way the states who were making the most of their money would get more, those who weren&#8217;t using their money wisely would get less. The thrifty states would not only get their full allotment on a fiscal quarter, but they&#8217;d also get to keep the remaining amount from the previous quarter. Things would get done quickly and efficiently when it became abundantly clear that cost overruns and graft were going to cost their constituents jobs and services.</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/30/f-d-b/comment-page-1/#comment-192953</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 12:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FOA- You make very valid points. What many are questioning is; Does the $250 Billion that LA senators asked for include the infrastructure? 
see this &lt;a href=&quot;http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/28/250-billion-for-louisianna/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thread&lt;/a&gt;
As to the sugar cane, we know it is part of their economy, but why should the U.S. taxpayers pick up the tab for something that wasn&#039;t even established prior to the hurricaine?
As for the payments and who touchs it...you would be hard pressed legally to not allow them to touch the money. That is a basic States Rights issue. &lt;em&gt;But&lt;/em&gt; an actual audit of LA books is in order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOA- You make very valid points. What many are questioning is; Does the $250 Billion that LA senators asked for include the infrastructure?<br />
see this <a href="http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/28/250-billion-for-louisianna/" rel="nofollow">thread</a><br />
As to the sugar cane, we know it is part of their economy, but why should the U.S. taxpayers pick up the tab for something that wasn&#8217;t even established prior to the hurricaine?<br />
As for the payments and who touchs it&#8230;you would be hard pressed legally to not allow them to touch the money. That is a basic States Rights issue. <em>But</em> an actual audit of LA books is in order.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Dawes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush, may-not be a FDR,But is anyone in the last 60 been like FDR:?:

Bush is Bush he is a tool and he is a free thinker and he is used and he is what he is, do you really want his job, I hate bush and i see what bush is and i don&#039;t want his job, do you:?:

But i do feel for him the job is hellish with no thank you after its done, do you want his job:?:
You should thank god you have bush to love and to hate.:oops:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush, may-not be a FDR,But is anyone in the last 60 been like FDR:?:</p>
<p>Bush is Bush he is a tool and he is a free thinker and he is used and he is what he is, do you really want his job, I hate bush and i see what bush is and i don&#8217;t want his job, do you:?:</p>
<p>But i do feel for him the job is hellish with no thank you after its done, do you want his job:?:<br />
You should thank god you have bush to love and to hate.:oops:</p>
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		<title>By: FrmrArtyOffcr</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/30/f-d-b/comment-page-1/#comment-192935</link>
		<dc:creator>FrmrArtyOffcr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 06:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. It looks like we&#039;re going to be spending a bunch of money. Now let&#039;s look at the big picture. How many miles of highway were destroyed? Thise things are not cheap to build and we have to build them strong enough to handle a category 5 storm this time, or we&#039;ll simply be building them again when the next storm hits. How many governmental buildings (include hospitals, firehouses, airports, police stations, as well as libraries) were destroyed? Most of these we are legally required to help rebuild. La, Al, and Ms currently have virtually no industry in large parts of them. Unless of course you&#039;re counting rubble removal, firewood, eventually construction, and of course the cockroaches of occupations, attorneys. Let&#039;s face facts folks, attorneys would be filing briefs to sue over the end of the world on the grounds that GOD couldn&#039;t be destroying the world because the ACLU says it&#039;s unconstitutional for the US Government to recognize a GOD. Okay time to get back to the topic at hand.

We simply have little or no choice to rebuild the effected areas. We can&#039;t leave the areas devastated as they are. The simple economics of it say that we either have to spend money now to fix the problems, or we have the problems continue. Which do you think the average US taxpayer would find more palatable: $3.50 a gallon gas, (oil refining is messed up and with no highways how are they going to get it fixed?) $4 a lb ground beef, $3.50 a gallon milk, $2.50 a lb rice, $1.00 a lb sugar, A number of types of fish either unavailable or prohibitively priced,  or an increased deficit? This is like the old WPA programs under the FDR administration. People needed work, food and a place to sleep. Towns, cities, counties, and states needed roads, buildings, bridges etc etc. Right now there are millions of displaced persons in the effected areas, many of whom do not have gainful employment any longer. I have seen comments from people complaining that we will be making it better than it was before the store. Is there any option to making it better? Make it the same and do it over next time a storm hits? make it worse than it was and do it over after the next storm again? Don&#039;t rebuild it at all and potentially leave millions out in the cold? And drive consumer prices to new heights on certain commodities grown primarily in the area? Obviously the only answer is to rebuild it better and not have to do it over. Look I hate to spend money on social programs because they normally do not yield any significant returns. In this situation, any change is for the positive. Just put controls into place to insure solid accountability. No Louisiana politicians near a single dime. If the money is being used to create/ restore buildings, it will be going into the pockets of people who are currently on UIC or other government assistance program. Which makes more sense, give an unemployed worker a government check or give them a job with the ability to earn more than the government check AND pay taxes on that pay? This whole reconstruction, if done right, could seriously boost the economy. It needs to not be looked at as money spent but rather money invested. I&#039;m not saying give the LA congressmen that ridiculous $250 billion pork laden request, but rather appoint someone to oversee reconstruction of the effected areas. Sort of a general contractor with a staff and spend the money judiciously to get things done that will rebuild the infrastructure and create economic opportunity in the process. The Army Corps of Engineers estimated that it would take about 40% of the $40 billion that the LA politicians asked for to rebuild the levees around New Orleans to withstand a category 5 storm. That fact alone is grounds to insure that the local politicians have virtually no control over the reconstruction money. 

When ti comes down to it, we have to rebuild the infrastructure. Not only is it the law, it&#039;s the right thing to do. Think putting the evacuee kids through school is expensive, how expensive would the alternative be? Besides we were going to have to pay for them to go to school anyway. Just now they have the chance to go to one we&#039;re the teacher isn&#039;t going to say &quot;Ya&#039;ll take yer seats now.&quot; 

As for the $5,000 for all of the heads of households, I think that should be a loan and repaid out of the persons taxe returns over the next how many ever years. $5,000 is really a drop in the bucket if you&#039;ve lost your house, your car, and all of your belongings. It will allow them a chance to get back on their feet. Once again, I would recommend that the money be accounted for and anyone using it in strips clubs, bars, luxury items stores, etc, etc lose their remaining balance. perhaps the cards could be only good at certain stores say Target, Penney&#039;s, Sears, etc etc. And issue a second card that&#039;s only good at grocery stores like the foodstamp cards here in Arizona. The foodstamps are issued as credits on a debit type card and the card is ONLY good on food items. You could have $1000 worth of credit on it and still not be able to buy a six pack of beer. As for the $5000 amount, I had an enlisted man who married a woman with 4 kids and she was collecting over $1600 a month in welfare checks plus food stamps and this was back in 1986. Which makes more sense? Give someone who will work a hand up in getting back on their feet, or leave them dependent on the Government until such time as they are able to save enough to buy the clothes they need for that interview, and help them get an apartment or leave them in a shelter? There is really only ONE option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. It looks like we&#8217;re going to be spending a bunch of money. Now let&#8217;s look at the big picture. How many miles of highway were destroyed? Thise things are not cheap to build and we have to build them strong enough to handle a category 5 storm this time, or we&#8217;ll simply be building them again when the next storm hits. How many governmental buildings (include hospitals, firehouses, airports, police stations, as well as libraries) were destroyed? Most of these we are legally required to help rebuild. La, Al, and Ms currently have virtually no industry in large parts of them. Unless of course you&#8217;re counting rubble removal, firewood, eventually construction, and of course the cockroaches of occupations, attorneys. Let&#8217;s face facts folks, attorneys would be filing briefs to sue over the end of the world on the grounds that GOD couldn&#8217;t be destroying the world because the ACLU says it&#8217;s unconstitutional for the US Government to recognize a GOD. Okay time to get back to the topic at hand.</p>
<p>We simply have little or no choice to rebuild the effected areas. We can&#8217;t leave the areas devastated as they are. The simple economics of it say that we either have to spend money now to fix the problems, or we have the problems continue. Which do you think the average US taxpayer would find more palatable: $3.50 a gallon gas, (oil refining is messed up and with no highways how are they going to get it fixed?) $4 a lb ground beef, $3.50 a gallon milk, $2.50 a lb rice, $1.00 a lb sugar, A number of types of fish either unavailable or prohibitively priced,  or an increased deficit? This is like the old WPA programs under the FDR administration. People needed work, food and a place to sleep. Towns, cities, counties, and states needed roads, buildings, bridges etc etc. Right now there are millions of displaced persons in the effected areas, many of whom do not have gainful employment any longer. I have seen comments from people complaining that we will be making it better than it was before the store. Is there any option to making it better? Make it the same and do it over next time a storm hits? make it worse than it was and do it over after the next storm again? Don&#8217;t rebuild it at all and potentially leave millions out in the cold? And drive consumer prices to new heights on certain commodities grown primarily in the area? Obviously the only answer is to rebuild it better and not have to do it over. Look I hate to spend money on social programs because they normally do not yield any significant returns. In this situation, any change is for the positive. Just put controls into place to insure solid accountability. No Louisiana politicians near a single dime. If the money is being used to create/ restore buildings, it will be going into the pockets of people who are currently on UIC or other government assistance program. Which makes more sense, give an unemployed worker a government check or give them a job with the ability to earn more than the government check AND pay taxes on that pay? This whole reconstruction, if done right, could seriously boost the economy. It needs to not be looked at as money spent but rather money invested. I&#8217;m not saying give the LA congressmen that ridiculous $250 billion pork laden request, but rather appoint someone to oversee reconstruction of the effected areas. Sort of a general contractor with a staff and spend the money judiciously to get things done that will rebuild the infrastructure and create economic opportunity in the process. The Army Corps of Engineers estimated that it would take about 40% of the $40 billion that the LA politicians asked for to rebuild the levees around New Orleans to withstand a category 5 storm. That fact alone is grounds to insure that the local politicians have virtually no control over the reconstruction money. </p>
<p>When ti comes down to it, we have to rebuild the infrastructure. Not only is it the law, it&#8217;s the right thing to do. Think putting the evacuee kids through school is expensive, how expensive would the alternative be? Besides we were going to have to pay for them to go to school anyway. Just now they have the chance to go to one we&#8217;re the teacher isn&#8217;t going to say &#8220;Ya&#8217;ll take yer seats now.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for the $5,000 for all of the heads of households, I think that should be a loan and repaid out of the persons taxe returns over the next how many ever years. $5,000 is really a drop in the bucket if you&#8217;ve lost your house, your car, and all of your belongings. It will allow them a chance to get back on their feet. Once again, I would recommend that the money be accounted for and anyone using it in strips clubs, bars, luxury items stores, etc, etc lose their remaining balance. perhaps the cards could be only good at certain stores say Target, Penney&#8217;s, Sears, etc etc. And issue a second card that&#8217;s only good at grocery stores like the foodstamp cards here in Arizona. The foodstamps are issued as credits on a debit type card and the card is ONLY good on food items. You could have $1000 worth of credit on it and still not be able to buy a six pack of beer. As for the $5000 amount, I had an enlisted man who married a woman with 4 kids and she was collecting over $1600 a month in welfare checks plus food stamps and this was back in 1986. Which makes more sense? Give someone who will work a hand up in getting back on their feet, or leave them dependent on the Government until such time as they are able to save enough to buy the clothes they need for that interview, and help them get an apartment or leave them in a shelter? There is really only ONE option.</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/30/f-d-b/comment-page-1/#comment-192914</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2- Thanks Astro. Many of the topics from the past week have really got me keyed up. I am composing a letter much like Lisa&#039;s. The problem is, for the mail to, I have Liberal Debbie and Carl Levin to chose from!:shock:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2- Thanks Astro. Many of the topics from the past week have really got me keyed up. I am composing a letter much like Lisa&#8217;s. The problem is, for the mail to, I have Liberal Debbie and Carl Levin to chose from!:shock:</p>
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		<title>By: snowy egret</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/30/f-d-b/comment-page-1/#comment-192911</link>
		<dc:creator>snowy egret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back in those days we did,nt have the leftist scum we have today in hollywood and in the news media</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back in those days we did,nt have the leftist scum we have today in hollywood and in the news media</p>
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		<title>By: Astro</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2005/09/30/f-d-b/comment-page-1/#comment-192905</link>
		<dc:creator>Astro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 - Very good questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 &#8211; Very good questions!</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece Astro!  I have compiled a list of questions for this whole disaster relief;
1. How much are the States being reimbursed by the insurance companies.
2. Have the recovery costs been adjusted to reflect this?
3. The Feds, constitutionally, can not re-build private property. So what houses are they talking about re-building?
4. What exactly is the $1billion in recovery donations to charity paying for?
5. What are the charities billing back to the feds.
6. What exactly is the individual responsible for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece Astro!  I have compiled a list of questions for this whole disaster relief;<br />
1. How much are the States being reimbursed by the insurance companies.<br />
2. Have the recovery costs been adjusted to reflect this?<br />
3. The Feds, constitutionally, can not re-build private property. So what houses are they talking about re-building?<br />
4. What exactly is the $1billion in recovery donations to charity paying for?<br />
5. What are the charities billing back to the feds.<br />
6. What exactly is the individual responsible for?</p>
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