Police began receiving word midweek that gangs were going to descend on a neighborhood where a riot erupted over a planned march by a white supremacist group, but the resulting disturbance was worse than expected, the police chief said Sunday.
The riot broke out Saturday when protesters confronted members of the National Socialist Movement who had gathered at a city park. Rioters threw baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalized vehicles and stores, and set fire to a neighborhood bar, authorities said. More than 100 people were arrested and one officer was seriously injured.
Officers who work in the area reported that gang members were planning to turn out in force, and authorities made plans to handle any disturbances, Police Chief Mike Navarre said at a news conference Sunday morning.
“We knew during the preparation that it was going to be a tremendous challenge,” Navarre said. “Anyone who would accuse us of being underprepared I would take exception with that.”
I understand the COTUS allows for a peaceful protest, but if they had that much warning about violence, why would they allow the march to continue? Isn’t it the job of the Police to protect the citizens?
This case sounds just like 92 in LA. The gangs were looking for a chance to rob, loot, and steal. Rodney King gave it to them because the Liberals running LAPD told the cops to back off in stead of arresting everyone in the initial incident. After that, it should have been shoot to kill the rioters. It would have been over shortly. Maxine Waters would have still run her mouth, but from the saftey of her office, not leading the riots.
Of course the gangs don’t care that they played right into the supremacists’ hands.
1- I don’t think it is the same. Would the gangs have come out Saturday had the Neo-Nazis/White Supremists not been the ones marching? I doubt it.
2- Did the gangs play into the NNWS hand? You bet. But the cops had word early in the week there was to be trouble.
I would not doubt there is gang violence in the area, but I would go out on a limb to say that it is not exclusive to black gangs. I would also venture to say that the NNWS have had their hand in much of the tension in Toledo.
I think it is criminal to allow the march and put innocent people in harms way.
In any large city there is always an element that is prepared to take advantage of any large gathering of people in the streets. They don’t care about politics, government policy, social issues, or anything at all. For them, it is just party time.
Whether the occasion is a protest or a sports championship doesn’t matter. As soon as there are more people in the streets than the cops can handle, it’s party time! The thugs, vandals, and looters quickly take over and have free reign.
Most of the time the cops stand there and do nothing because the administration is so afraid of the ACLU and their lawyers they are afraid to do what they are paid and sworn to do.
I have seen it and experienced it firsthand.
“I think it is criminal to allow the march and put innocent people in harms way.”
And for as much as you and I agree on that, we both know the ACLU would run in to make sure innocent people would be put in harms way.
Damn the ACLU.:mad: I would love to know if the cops made even the slightest attempt to reach out to the gang members to try to keep the peace. I would bet they didn’t. I can’t help but wonder had they done that , if things might not have turned so ugly. I also think it would have said more, had the gangs just lined the streets and stared at the ignorance walking by. But that is easy for me to say as I wasn’t faced with it.:sad:
Even if the cops had made an attempt to reach out, the THUGS are going to do what they want to do. Their lazy, “wheys my chek” is all their about. Their ass should be working. They aren’t going to think about lining the streets. Jeez, they want to make some sort of excuse to steal and loot. Look at the footage from NOLA. “I’m just doing my job”.
7-how do you know if you don’t try. And the march was on Saturday, a day when most people are not working.
The reason I heard that the NNWS did the march was because they were tired of the gangs coming into their area. That is a rather broad excuse. If the gangs are causing trouble, is that not the job of the police and city leaders to take care of the situation?
I wonder if crime would go down in a city where they hung ACLU members from the city’s street lights?
Ok.. let’s put this in perspective…
1. There was no permit given by the city. They marched on the sidewalk. Nothing you can do about that.
2. There were about 24!!! White’s marching. Yeah.. that’s it!
Yet 65 blacks were arrested, flipped over cars, burned a WHITE mans pub down, threw rocks hours after these white morons left…
And you ask:
“Isn’t it the job of the Police to protect the citizens?”
I’m sorry.. who was rioting again? Don’t get caught up in the Political Correct BS. Call it for what it was…
If Whites threw rocks and rioted against a Black March… You would be saying what now? Shouldn’t have let those blacks march… Yeah.. right.
And what was the reason for the white march? Look it up….
Here is a timeline
And here are 2 articles from Toledo. Here
and Here
All 3 of them are interesting. And the last article alludes to the fact that there was an on-going fued between the 2 groups.
10-I think it is you that should be doing some homework.
10, Carter, you are a racist. You are empathizing race in every sentence. Does it matter what race the owners of the pub were? No, not in the least. They had a right to expect that their property not be damaged.
Toledo’s government and police were wimps. The ACLU and the Black activists and groups bear some responsibility for CONDONING such acts, if not promoting them.
heh.. you folks are a riot.
Does it matter what race the owners of the pub were? Hell no… But it still burned down right?
Police were wimps? Yet they arrested 65 people? Ok.. good one there… They admitted they couldn’t keep up… And why would they. Why would you expect that from this:
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“The violence started around noon as police were getting ready to escort about 15 Nazis on a march that was supposed to start at Wilson Park and continue on Mulberry Street and Bronson and Dexter Avenues, ending up back at the park.
– which broke out along Stickney Avenue away from the Nazis gathered in the park – police cancelled the march and told the Nazis to leave, which they did.”
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What happened to freedom of speech no matter how stupid the nazi idiots are? Yet you are quick to condemn them, and not the actual criminals? Nice one guys….
Flip it around on yourselves, then answer. If the colors of the people were reversed… what would you be saying then? That the people should have KNOWN better and not marched?
Gang control not gun control they need to do something about these violent drug gangs rather then to allow them to contunue at what their doing but i guess that wont create a big amount of mecia attention from the liberal left-wing news media:roll:
14, the rioters should have been shot on sight, period. Doesn’t matter what color they were. They were out of control.
14-”The violence started around noon as police were getting ready to escort about 15 Nazis on a march that was supposed to start at Wilson Park and continue on Mulberry Street and Bronson and Dexter Avenues, ending up back at the park.”- Carter, the trouble started early in the week. Not the day of. The police knew that there would be trouble and put innocent citizens in harms way.
Why protect the NNWS when there are innocent people in harms way? And lets not paint this group as a bunch of girl scouts either.
17, Peejz, far as I’m concerned, shoot the Nazis, too.
“I hate Illinois Nazis!” Jake Blues
14/16. I agree with you both. Both groups, the NNWS and the Porch are pieces of crap, but I only saw one of them acting typical. Do I need to tell you who that might be?
edited by peejz
We couldn’t get fortunate enough that tofu was one of the 65 arrested, could we?
I think Tofu was elsewhere, propbably at the worship Cindy Sheehan service that day.
21, Robert, he probably was at the Ohio Democrats’ Ballot Box stuffing seminar. tofu was learning to write in Hillary on absentee ballots the Dems collected from the last elections.
Hey peejz, I call them like I see them.
but if the cops can stop one protest why not all protests:?:
Its what the one world ideals really want the nuts in the so called Nazi party are the same kind of people as the hate race Latinos and the hate race people in Jackson’s little evil group and how about the Israel nuts who are just like the Muslim hate race groups its like watching the gong show who will kill who and when:?:
you are all under the Blade of blame and you don’t know it. “how sad”.
Oh yes, your leaders on both the left and right are fools or want something you don’t understand like mass murder here for the ideals of one world:idea:
24- Fred, this isn’t a situation that would lead to cops just canceling a protest just to do it. This is a situation where you have 2 groups of people that hate each other and had every intention of causing problems. As I stated earlier, if the NNWS(a gang by the way) had a problem with the black gangs, would that not be a problem for the police to deal with? What was the intent of the march other than to incite race riots? I guess I must have missed the peace part of it when I saw the ass holding a sign that said “PROTECT OUR RACE”. What does that have to do with gang violence in their neighboorhood?
I also just noticed that you forgot to list the white nuts of this world.
Let’s take the race issue out of this and look at it logically and legally.
1: The Neonazi Skinhead group had a Constitutional right to peaceably assemble. I have seen no reports of them actually resorting to any violence.
2: The city of Toledo, knowing that racial tensions would be high, refused to issue a parade permit to the Neonazi group.
3: The Neonazi group wanted to hold the march to protest violent black gangs committing crimes in white neighborhoods. Groups, other than Neonazis, have held these kind of marches in the past in many cities. Many of the Neonazis came in from out of state to attend the protest.
4: As the Neonazis were not given a permit to hold a parade, they decided to instead walk down the sidewalks rather than violate the law by marching down the street without a permit.
5: In order to maintain order, the Toledo PD sent officers to escort the Neonazis who were NOT in violation of any law.
6: The violent street gangs which the Neonazis were protesting against, had every right to stand there and say anything that they chose to the Neonazis. They instead opted to resort to violently assaulting police, destroying private property, and looting.
Are any of these facts incorrect?
Under those facts, the proper police response should’ve been the use of weapons with riot control ammo (rubber bullets) and if fired upon by the crowd, revert to using live ammo. The individuals currently in custody could and should be charged with multiple counts felonious assault of a police officer, arson, destruction of private property, and attempted murder in the case of the hospitalized officer. This is the only way that this kind of activity will be prevented in the future is to charge, and prosecute for every offense ANYONE caught in the act of participating in a riot. Seeing as Ohio has a 3 time loser law, this incident could put a number of these thugs away for 20+ years as long as the prosecutor refuses to plea bargain away at least one felony charge.
26-FOA- You can’t take race out of this issue. It just can’t be done.
“The National Socialist Movement, who call themselves “America’s Nazi Party,”said they came to Toledo because of “black criminal behavior,”according to Bill White, a spokesman from the group who lives in Roanoke, Va.
He said the spark for their visit was a dispute between a white North Toledo man and black North Toledo woman who are neighbors.”- Full articles in post #11.
There is no excuse for the gang violence at all, or all the crimes committed saturday. BUT, the police could/should have had a better plan.
I still can’t figure out the need for Police protection for the Nazis.
This is the link for America’s Nazi Party.
I don’t know anything about these “neonazis” but I wonder if they aren’t really just a bunch of loser wannabes who are looking for attention any way they can get it. I doubt they are anything close to the real historical Nazis.
I’ve seen some of these skinhead types and they looked more like a danger to themselves than anything. Yes there have been some violent crimes committed by some of them, but overall, I wouldn’t even compare them to the real Nazis.
30-Robert, if I am to believe the historians, a large majority of those that joined Hitlers’ Nazi Party, did so out of survival, not just for the sake of joining it. It was the few that believed in the perfect race b.s. that Hitler stood for.
The Neo-Nazi that we see today are not doing so for the sake of survival. They are the poster children for racism. These marches are well planned. They got the reaction they wanted. They usually target Blacks or Jews, but will go after the Hispanic, Indian, or any person from the Middle to Far East.
Peej, you still didn’t prove that anything that I stated was not factual. After reading the time line on what happened, it looks even worse for the black street gangs who did the rioting. The vast majority of the destruction occurred AFTER the police escorted the NeoNazis out of town.
The police were protecting the neonazis because no matter how much you may disagree with their idiotic philosophy, they had not broken any laws. There are no laws against stupidity in this country and the Supreme Court has ruled that being mentally retarded is a positive defense against capital punishment. The Neonazis were there to protest against violent street gangs. The fact that most violent street gangs in this country are either black or hispanic in make up wasn’t exactly lost on them. Is that fact lost on anyone on this list? I live in an old, previously all and still mostly minority neighborhood so don’t try to claim I’m racist.I’m simply being observant. The gang warfare will eventually be eliminated as the older properties are bought up and converted to new homes for the middle class. Properties that were worth $30k 5 years ago, are now worth in excess of $150000 with a little TLC. Middle class residents do not tolerate street gangs.
Does anyone think it’s an accident that a preponderance of the violent inmates in prisons are black? It’s not because they’re all being law abiding citizens and just minding their own business. It’s because they are NOT being taught that crime is totally unacceptable as a lifestyle. Instead they have the Louis Farrakhans, Al Sharptons, and Jesse Jacksons screaming at every turn that their being in jail isn’t because they robbed, raped or murdered umpteen people, but rather because the white man is punishing them for being black. With that kind of moronic, racist rhetoric spewing from the mouths of the black leadership, how are the black youths of this country supposed to learn to study and work hard to get ahead? There really is plenty of opportunity for them if they want to work for it. Look at Condi Rice or Janice Rogers Brown. One’s father was a black minister in the south and the other’s parents were share croppers. How much more dirt poor an upbringing can you get? Being poor isn’t an excuse. Being lazy isn’t an acceptable excuse.
“Does anyone think it’s an accident that a preponderance of the violent inmates in prisons are black? It’s not because they’re all being law abiding citizens and just minding their own business.”
Whatever the reasons, it is a fact. I can tell you from 25+ years in law enforcement that the percentage of violent crime committed by black and brown people is way out of proportion to their percentage in the population. The reasons are likely complex and would take an entire study to address, I am just agreeing that it is a fact.
When their so-called leaders rationalize what is happening by telling them that it is the fault of others, they are doing them a huge disservice.
32-FOA, I claimed you couldn’t take race out of the issue. You can’t. Also, you keep referring to the “black gangs” which were part of the counter rally, but not all of the counter rally. The police had every right to stop the NNWS from walking along the streets in the neighborhoord of targeted audience. That neighboorhood consisted of a mix of people. Not just gangs. Innocent people that didn’t want a hate group marching through their streets. There is no justification for the violence. None. I am not arguing that. I am arguing the point that the police should/could have shown good faith to the nighboorhood. They coould have escorted the NNWS group out of town or into a field. They were not citizens of Toledo for the most part.
In case you haven’t been paying attention to some of the posts I have put up, I hadn’t planned to call you a racist. There is nothing in your writing that leads me to believe you are one. It would be nice if more people could talk about all isssues without fear of being labeled a racist,homophobe,sexist, or any other label you can earn by talking.
32: Careful with the generalizations about black leadership. We didn’t have elections, and I don’t recall having opportunity to vote, and they don’t speak for me.
Jesse, Louie, Al, etc. are all bucking to be the HNIC and none of them want to lose ground (power) to the other.
Black leadership????? Where????? I don’t see any leadership whatsoever.
True giants in the black community… Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Condoleeza Rice, etc. are osticized and called “uncle toms” for having the audacity to think for themselves.
There is no leadership…..only anarchy.
32- FOA the NNWS were there to settle a score between a white and a black citizen. Their web site pretty much sums up what their plans are.
36: EXACTLY.
32.FrmrArtyOffcr I agree with you totally. You sound like an intelligent person, fair in judgment and one who speakers the truth. Facts are facts, and you can’t change that.
There is NO excuse for rioting and violent behavior. Looting, Burning, and Destruction should not be tolerated anywhere, at anytime in a civil society, which is what we are supposed to be. (Look at New Orleans, and in a time of devastation leaving everyone vulnerable.) It looks more and more as though we here in the USA have lost all respect for our selves, our families, loved ones, neighbors, educators, and our local, state and federal governments.
I can understand people losing faith in their political leaders and even in many of our law enforcement officers as well as our Judaical system. But it is our own fault for electing and keeping the elected officials in place when they fail to protect our constitutional rights and become “yes men/women” to appease the rich and minority groups. The Constitution states that they “Majority” shall rule. Those with the same thoughts and desires to keep our society civil, safe and free.
Right is right and wrong is wrong, regardless of race, gender, religion or political preference. And we have a right as US citizens to speak our minds and protest in a civil manner, but when “all hell breaks loose” because of those who refuse to act with respect and choose lawlessness to get their point across, “vent” or take advantage of a situation, then they should be stopped by whatever means it takes, arrested and punished to the fullest, and no decent person should step up to make excuses for their behavior or defend their actions in any manner.
If we allow these minority groups and leaders to gain publicity in defending the actions of the lawless and those who intend or intended to cause harm to others, destroy others property, rob and threaten, then we are allowing “terrorist” (which is what gangs are too)to run our cities and our country. Out of “fear of retaliation” many choose to sit back and accept what these minority leaders and terrorist say and do. And we have created that fear by allowing the lawless to take over. Because we refuse to get involved and stand up for what this country stood for and was at one time many years ago. A time when our “forefathers” were strong,caring individuals with respect for their fellow countrymen and demanded peace and protection for their families and neighbors. Remember this is one reason they gave us a “right to bear arms” in our constitution, so that we would not have to live in “fear” of the lawless. As it is now only the criminals, only the terrorist have weapons, they fear nothing. They have our “Politically Correct” government on their side, they have the minority leaders on their side, and the have the fearful public on their side. When and how did we decide to give illegal aliens and criminals the right to protection under our constitution?!
We will not have, nor can we expect a change in our society until we as the citizens of this great country, decide enough is enough! And demand that each individual takes responsibility for his or her actions, that parents are responsible for their children’s behavior and that our law enforcement, Judaical system, and government do their job as it was intended to be done. If they don’t impeach them, lodge formal complaints, don’t re-elect the people that are in place and “go along” with the way things are. For your sake and your families sake, GET INVOLVED.
Wake up people. Quit being led like “sheep to the slaughter”. Remember it is God first, then our country for the good of all.
Bobbie
39-And we have a right as US citizens to speak our minds and protest in a civil manner, but when “all hell breaks loose”because of those who refuse to act with respect and choose lawlessness to get their point across, “vent”or take advantage of a situation, then they should be stopped by whatever means it takes, arrested and punished to the fullest, and no decent person should step up to make excuses for their behavior or defend their actions in any manner.- So the yelling of racial slurs was alright with you? Coming into town to protest a dispute between 2 people and not gang violence is okay with you?
As it is now only the criminals, only the terrorist have weapons, they fear nothing.- lots of people that have no criminal record own guns.
40. Yelling of racial slurs is not right! Yelling, screaming, throwing, pushing is not right. I said that we as American citizens have a right to protest in a civil manner. You do know the meaning of civil don’t you? And I don’t understand what you mean by: Coming into town to protest a dispute between 2 people and not gang violence is okay with you? That is pretty ridiculous. And you are right many people do own guns besides the criminal, but in many places they are a criminal for owning them according to some local, state laws.
41- It means what it says. Do a bit more research on the situation. These people came from different chapters of America’s Socialist Party, from all over the country. They were there to protest a dispute between a black man and a white woman. They plan to go from town to town do much the same thing. Stir up racial problems. As the counter protestors lined up with their signs telling the Nazis to take their hate home, the Nazis started yelling the racial slurs. Is it justification to burn a town down? no. Could it have been avoided? yes.
OK here it is:Police began receiving word midweek that gangs were going to descend on a neighborhood where a riot erupted over a planned march Officers who work in the area reported that gang members were planning to turn out in force
regardless of who the protesters were, or what race they were, the lawless had made up their mind to take over the situation!
The riot broke out Saturday when protesters confronted members of the National Socialist Movement who had gathered at a city park. Rioters threw baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalized vehicles and stores, and set fire to a neighborhood bar these protesters that were causing a riot were the gangs, and those going along with the lawless acts. It was not the protesters walking down the sidewalk.
As you said in post 6.I would love to know if the cops made even the slightest attempt to reach out to the gang members to try to keep the peace. I would bet they didn’t. I can’t help but wonder had they done that , if things might not have turned so ugly. Reach out to the Gang members?! Come on, these are lawless, criminals! Why should the police have to reach out to them?! Are you saying you are a bleeding heart for those of so called legitimated circumstances? Please many people are poor or live in poverty, many are uneducated and DO NOT resort to forming gangs to rule their areas, taking what they want, when they want. Honestly you sound as though you are one of those who are afraid of retaliation.
These gang members are not in their 40′s, 50′s or 60′s, they have had the many opportunity’s of organizations reaching out to them. They have learned they will be catered to, or be feared. They need to know they will pay the price for their actions. It could be you or your place or family they turn on next. Would you feel the same about reaching out to them, or blaming the police if it were you or your brother that had been injured, or your place that had been burned. THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the riots and destruction.
Then you say in 8.If the gangs are causing trouble, is that not the job of the police and city leaders to take care of the situation? yes, but only if they have your and every citizens support can they take care of the problems. When you have neighbors, family, friends, and people (just because they are of the same race or affiliation) defending,lying covering for them, how can the police do anything?
It appears from your writings that you detest the Neo-Nazi’s. And because of their walking down the sidewalk in protest and the police having not run them out of town, they caused this horrible event. Many people come from different places across the country to protest with their group of choice, so the fact that they were not from there makes no difference. I can’t imagine that when they,(or anyone one protesting)seen hundreds of faces of people who hated them, especially those of gang members, that they would START the riot by yelling out racial slurs. Some people are very stupid though.
First I would like you to know that I don’t care for any racist organization, including those of gangs, but if they feel they have a statement to make and do so lawfully, then their protest should not be met with violence, but looked upon with pity, or even disgust.
There was no way to have avoided this incident, short of dealing with the gangs beforehand, (gangs should never be tolerated any place in our society), and denying a person their right to walk down a sidewalk.
Here is a case of the liberals defending the rights of the lawless to behave that way because of a supposed slight by some morons. I’m going to break this down to the basest level. Even if the NeoNazis began screaming racial slurs, they have the right to do so. The counter protestors DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO THROW ROCKS AND RIOT. UNDER VIRTUALLY NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS RESPONDING TO VERBAL STATEMENTS WITH PHYSICAL VIOLENCE ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR. The reason for the virtually is that when those statements are viable threats to life and limb, one should be allowed to defend themselves.
Peej you tell others to do more research. Do some yourself. Might I suggest the 1st amendment to the Constitution and the criminal code for any given state? I’m certain that you will find that the freedom to express oneself verbally is guaranteed in the Constitution, but the hurling of baseball sized rocks at individuals who are not doing so first is considered, your choice depending on state, Assault with a deadly weapon, Aggravated Assault, Attempted Murder, etc etc. While some in the liberal left might try to claim that it is in fact an acceptable form of speech, the criminal code will surely disagree, and though juries can be pretty damn wierd at times, the courts will almost certainly side with the criminal code.
BTW Peej, would your defense of the rioters be so vociferous were the protestors the Guardian Angels in their red sateen jackets and red berets? Or is it only okay to riot, assault police officers, destroy public and private property when you’re insulted by some morons’ racist comments? If so, will you defend me if I put a few rounds into some of the radical blacks who’s racist comments offend me? There’s also a housing project down the street that has a few drug dealers in it. Their drug dealing has resulted in my property being stolen and my feeling violated. Since that hurts my self esteem, should I go down there on a shooting and burning rampage? Whatever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me? Peej as Robert said, you’re defending the indefensible. The NeoNazis are morons but even morons have the right to non violently gather and protest on public property.
FOA- first of all, I am no liberal defending the actions of any rioter. Secondly, I am not defending the rioting, and yes the criminal code will be and should be used against the lawbreakers. But the innocent citizens have access to the courts as well, and they can and will be suing the city and police department. As it should be.
Thirdly, What kind of an example is the Gaurdian Angels? Don’t they promote cleaning up the streets and protecting all citizens from all forms of crime? But had they been the ones protesting and the cops denied their march, gotten word on the streets that the asian gangs would cause problems if the GA come into their area, and the result is the the GA tried to march right through the neighborhood where innocent people live, then I would still put fault on the cops for not preventing the situation and if rioters go to jail, so be it. And lastly, You say you shot the guy. Was the guy on your property during a B/E and your life felt threatened? Yes, I would defend you. Did you go down the street and got your own form of justice by just shooting the guy? To a certain extent I would defend you. Since everyone in the area knows the house is a drug house, a house known to have drug dealers and theives in it, why hasn’t it been targeted by the cops?
Peej. You still aren’t getting it. The Constitution protects the rights of people to verbally express themselves. That means it doesn’t matter whether the rioters liked what the neonazis were saying or not, the police were not allowed to stop them from saying it. The “innocent” residents of that neighborhood have no grounds for a lawsuit against the city. The Police, the Mayor, and a minister all addressed the crowd and tried to get them to stand down because the Neonazis had already left BEFORE the rioting started. The fact that the neonazis had already left didn’t matter, the thugs were only using the neonazis presence as an excuse to riot.
Like it or not, there is a phrase that needs to be taught in school throughout this country from the time kids walk in the door. This phrase is the very basis for any political argument. That phrase is “I don’t agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”
From your posts, it appears that you have become thoroughly indoctrinated in the Liberal left’s theory of political correctness. That theory can be summed up as “You can say anything you want as long as it doesn’t offend a minority that might conceivably be swayed to vote for a Democrat.” Any and all bigoted remarks aimed at straight, white, non handicapped Christian males are completely acceptable.
Fortunately, that’s NOT how the Constitution is written. Believe it or not, if the police had tried to stop the neonazis from walking on the public sidewalks, the ACLU would’ve sued the city for stopping them.
46- FOA I am not missing any point. The citizens have a right to be protected. They pay taxes for it. There is more than 1 amendment to the COTUS that is involved here. And the nazis had not left prior to the riots starting. This has nothing to do with PC attitudes. The Nazis came to Toledo to cause this very problem. It had nothing to do with gangs and everything to do with hatred. I am sorry you can’t see it. And yes, the citizens can and will sue the city.
Peejz, you are not to reasoned with. You have your mind set and no amount of documentation will make a difference to you, much less common sense.
If I had been there in the neighborhood I would have made sure that me and my family were not in harms way. I would not have wanted to be among the gangs or Neo Nazis. People, especially knowing of the problems that would arise should have stayed off the streets. Although they have a right to be out in the streets and on their porches or what ever, common sense prevented most law abiding people from being exposed to the mess that took place. Why would one walk out into a “war zone”
As far as suing the city, get real. The police are public servants and there to protect and serve ALL. And it sounds as though they did the best they could. Where have you been, the last several years? One can not stop all of the evil and terrorism all of the time, in fact not much of the time LAWFULLY. When there are NO MORALS, and NO RESPECT there is no amount reasoning or begging that will make the difference.
There is no way the police could have prevented what happened, unless like I said earlier, they had the total support of the people in their city and dealt with the gangs as they appeared from the beginning.
If these thugs knew that their violence was going to be meant with violence this would not have happened. I deplore violence, but sometimes when there is no way to reason with the animals some have become then you treat them as the wild animals they choose to be.
I have said enough about this…it is a dead issue and falls upon deaf ears.