If I had been there in the neighborhood I would have made sure that me and my family were not in harms way. I would not have wanted to be among the gangs or Neo Nazis. People, especially knowing of the problems that would arise should have stayed off the streets. Although they have a right to be out in the streets and on their porches or what ever, common sense prevented most law abiding people from being exposed to the mess that took place. Why would one walk out into a “war zone”

As far as suing the city, get real. The police are public servants and there to protect and serve ALL. And it sounds as though they did the best they could. Where have you been, the last several years? One can not stop all of the evil and terrorism all of the time, in fact not much of the time LAWFULLY. When there are NO MORALS, and NO RESPECT there is no amount reasoning or begging that will make the difference.

There is no way the police could have prevented what happened, unless like I said earlier, they had the total support of the people in their city and dealt with the gangs as they appeared from the beginning.

If these thugs knew that their violence was going to be meant with violence this would not have happened. I deplore violence, but sometimes when there is no way to reason with the animals some have become then you treat them as the wild animals they choose to be.

I have said enough about this…it is a dead issue and falls upon deaf ears.

Like it or not, there is a phrase that needs to be taught in school throughout this country from the time kids walk in the door. This phrase is the very basis for any political argument. That phrase is “I don’t agree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

From your posts, it appears that you have become thoroughly indoctrinated in the Liberal left’s theory of political correctness. That theory can be summed up as “You can say anything you want as long as it doesn’t offend a minority that might conceivably be swayed to vote for a Democrat.” Any and all bigoted remarks aimed at straight, white, non handicapped Christian males are completely acceptable.

Fortunately, that’s NOT how the Constitution is written. Believe it or not, if the police had tried to stop the neonazis from walking on the public sidewalks, the ACLU would’ve sued the city for stopping them.

Peej you tell others to do more research. Do some yourself. Might I suggest the 1st amendment to the Constitution and the criminal code for any given state? I’m certain that you will find that the freedom to express oneself verbally is guaranteed in the Constitution, but the hurling of baseball sized rocks at individuals who are not doing so first is considered, your choice depending on state, Assault with a deadly weapon, Aggravated Assault, Attempted Murder, etc etc. While some in the liberal left might try to claim that it is in fact an acceptable form of speech, the criminal code will surely disagree, and though juries can be pretty damn wierd at times, the courts will almost certainly side with the criminal code.

BTW Peej, would your defense of the rioters be so vociferous were the protestors the Guardian Angels in their red sateen jackets and red berets? Or is it only okay to riot, assault police officers, destroy public and private property when you’re insulted by some morons’ racist comments? If so, will you defend me if I put a few rounds into some of the radical blacks who’s racist comments offend me? There’s also a housing project down the street that has a few drug dealers in it. Their drug dealing has resulted in my property being stolen and my feeling violated. Since that hurts my self esteem, should I go down there on a shooting and burning rampage? Whatever happened to sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me? Peej as Robert said, you’re defending the indefensible. The NeoNazis are morons but even morons have the right to non violently gather and protest on public property.

The riot broke out Saturday when protesters confronted members of the National Socialist Movement who had gathered at a city park. Rioters threw baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalized vehicles and stores, and set fire to a neighborhood bar these protesters that were causing a riot were the gangs, and those going along with the lawless acts. It was not the protesters walking down the sidewalk.

As you said in post 6.I would love to know if the cops made even the slightest attempt to reach out to the gang members to try to keep the peace. I would bet they didn’t. I can’t help but wonder had they done that , if things might not have turned so ugly. Reach out to the Gang members?! Come on, these are lawless, criminals! Why should the police have to reach out to them?! Are you saying you are a bleeding heart for those of so called legitimated circumstances? Please many people are poor or live in poverty, many are uneducated and DO NOT resort to forming gangs to rule their areas, taking what they want, when they want. Honestly you sound as though you are one of those who are afraid of retaliation.

These gang members are not in their 40′s, 50′s or 60′s, they have had the many opportunity’s of organizations reaching out to them. They have learned they will be catered to, or be feared. They need to know they will pay the price for their actions. It could be you or your place or family they turn on next. Would you feel the same about reaching out to them, or blaming the police if it were you or your brother that had been injured, or your place that had been burned. THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the riots and destruction.

Then you say in 8.If the gangs are causing trouble, is that not the job of the police and city leaders to take care of the situation? yes, but only if they have your and every citizens support can they take care of the problems. When you have neighbors, family, friends, and people (just because they are of the same race or affiliation) defending,lying covering for them, how can the police do anything?

It appears from your writings that you detest the Neo-Nazi’s. And because of their walking down the sidewalk in protest and the police having not run them out of town, they caused this horrible event. Many people come from different places across the country to protest with their group of choice, so the fact that they were not from there makes no difference. I can’t imagine that when they,(or anyone one protesting)seen hundreds of faces of people who hated them, especially those of gang members, that they would START the riot by yelling out racial slurs. Some people are very stupid though.

First I would like you to know that I don’t care for any racist organization, including those of gangs, but if they feel they have a statement to make and do so lawfully, then their protest should not be met with violence, but looked upon with pity, or even disgust.

There was no way to have avoided this incident, short of dealing with the gangs beforehand, (gangs should never be tolerated any place in our society), and denying a person their right to walk down a sidewalk.

There is NO excuse for rioting and violent behavior. Looting, Burning, and Destruction should not be tolerated anywhere, at anytime in a civil society, which is what we are supposed to be. (Look at New Orleans, and in a time of devastation leaving everyone vulnerable.) It looks more and more as though we here in the USA have lost all respect for our selves, our families, loved ones, neighbors, educators, and our local, state and federal governments.

I can understand people losing faith in their political leaders and even in many of our law enforcement officers as well as our Judaical system. But it is our own fault for electing and keeping the elected officials in place when they fail to protect our constitutional rights and become “yes men/women” to appease the rich and minority groups. The Constitution states that they “Majority” shall rule. Those with the same thoughts and desires to keep our society civil, safe and free.

Right is right and wrong is wrong, regardless of race, gender, religion or political preference. And we have a right as US citizens to speak our minds and protest in a civil manner, but when “all hell breaks loose” because of those who refuse to act with respect and choose lawlessness to get their point across, “vent” or take advantage of a situation, then they should be stopped by whatever means it takes, arrested and punished to the fullest, and no decent person should step up to make excuses for their behavior or defend their actions in any manner.

If we allow these minority groups and leaders to gain publicity in defending the actions of the lawless and those who intend or intended to cause harm to others, destroy others property, rob and threaten, then we are allowing “terrorist” (which is what gangs are too)to run our cities and our country. Out of “fear of retaliation” many choose to sit back and accept what these minority leaders and terrorist say and do. And we have created that fear by allowing the lawless to take over. Because we refuse to get involved and stand up for what this country stood for and was at one time many years ago. A time when our “forefathers” were strong,caring individuals with respect for their fellow countrymen and demanded peace and protection for their families and neighbors. Remember this is one reason they gave us a “right to bear arms” in our constitution, so that we would not have to live in “fear” of the lawless. As it is now only the criminals, only the terrorist have weapons, they fear nothing. They have our “Politically Correct” government on their side, they have the minority leaders on their side, and the have the fearful public on their side. When and how did we decide to give illegal aliens and criminals the right to protection under our constitution?!

We will not have, nor can we expect a change in our society until we as the citizens of this great country, decide enough is enough! And demand that each individual takes responsibility for his or her actions, that parents are responsible for their children’s behavior and that our law enforcement, Judaical system, and government do their job as it was intended to be done. If they don’t impeach them, lodge formal complaints, don’t re-elect the people that are in place and “go along” with the way things are. For your sake and your families sake, GET INVOLVED.

Wake up people. Quit being led like “sheep to the slaughter”. Remember it is God first, then our country for the good of all.

Bobbie