The Senate reached a compromise on the illegal immigration issue. Basically they gave away the farm!
The compromise creates a tiered system that gives preference to illegals who have been in the United States longer and have established roots in their communities:
” Illegals in the United States less than two years would be required to leave immediately. If caught once, they would be subject to a misdemeanor, and if caught twice they would be charged with a felony. About 2 million to 3 million people fall into this category.
” Illegals in the United States between two and five years would have go to one of 16 ports of entry in the United States, determined by the U.S. Visit program, and declare themselves. They would be given a temporary visa and allowed back to their U.S. residences immediately. Once in the United States, they could apply for the citizenship path spelled out in the McCain-Kennedy bill. About 3 million to 4 million people fall into this category.
” Illegals who could prove they have been in the United States for more than five years would immediately be given guest worker status and would get on the 11-year path to citizenship. They would not have to declare themselves as guest workers. This path would be open to about 5 million illegals living in the United States.
“While it admittedly is not perfect, the choice we have to make is whether the bill is better than no bill. And I think that is decisive,” said Specter, who supported the Democrat-favored bill.
Actually Senator Specter, it would have been better to have waited and done the right thing for the citizens of the country..
As was pointed out at NewsBusters,
I’ve suggested that deporting illegals seems at least as practicable as administering the amnesty program. In the same piece in which Pinkerton’s quote appears, I put it this way:
“[D]eporting illegal immigrants is much more feasible than the elaborate process the amnesty crowd proposes. Under the amnesty plan, the same 11-12 million illegals would have to be identified and located. They would have to be tested to determine if they had attained English proficiency, monitored for over a decade to see that they sought and maintained jobs, paid their fines, etc. If we can do all that, why couldn’t we put the same people on buses to the border or planes to overseas locations?”
This is a very good point…who is going track these people down? Who is going to verify the information?
This is nothing more than the Senate ignoring the wishes of the voters. This is amnesty.
Ah, I know where you are.. I stayed on Sutter, near Kearny: across from the Hallidie bldg.
OK, Cool! I work downtown on Montgomery St. and Sutter.
Small world! Where are you now? Philly?
Actually, we do not need to import unskilled, uneducated, illiterate people; the public school system is producing them here by the thousands!
Yes, I live on S. Broad Street in Center City, Philly.
I’ve been to San Fran a few times… I was telling you about the good food and sangrias on Haight right before the park..cha cha cha
also Tommy’s joint is cool…
“Silence speaks volumes. It means that they don’t have anything with this issue to use to undermine the Bush Admin so they just drop the topic.”
RE-enlistment is up…actual first time recruitment is DOWN.
here is an articel from May of last year…
(did I do the link thing right?)
oops…article
54.. well that makes sense, given the liberal media’s constant anti-war, anti-military drumbeat, scaring recruits away.
however, those who actually serve are….gasp..RE-ENLISTING!!!!!
Ok…but it is still the same issue: they won’t put out good news.
why would they? Like I said, instead of talking about a new school or hospital going up in Iraq or Afghanistan, NBC news did 3 minutes on Katie fucking Couric last night.
I shit you not.
“good food and sangrias on Haight right before the park..cha cha cha”
I walked by it the other day and thought of you. I remember you had mentioned it. I’ll have to check it out sometime soon…
also Tommy’s joint is cool:
I’ve been in SF nearly three years now, my bus goes by that place everyday, and I’ve never stopped. I also gotta check it out…but there’s something about Tommys “Famous Buffalo Stew” that makes me a little leery…
I always remember Tommy’s Joint cuz that’s where James and Lars told Jason Newsted that he had the job in Metallica….
I rode that bus that goes down Divsadero too!!!! haha.. also the one that goes on Geary all the way from the Park back to Union Square…
Great City views from Beuna Vista park…lots o dog walkers.
SF Liberal LOVES Metallica.
I sold my car when I came here, have to take the bus EVERYWHERE. The 24 Divisadero line is my jam!
Am going to Union Square in five minutes to rent a car for this weekend!
That’s so cool you’ve been out here! I love the architecture, all the Queen Anne bay windows, etc…
I love metallica up to And Justice for All..everything after that is crap.
I don’t drive either..making me a TRUE environmentalist.
You see, San Fran Sam…we have more in common than you think
you don’t play guitar by any chance, do you?
have a crazy japanese girlfriend?
Mike, all you have to do is turn Liberal, and you’ll be pals for life!
uh…..nope. I’ll keep my brain, thank you.
San Francisco used to be a great city. I grew up in the South Bay, and loved to go visit the City as a kid in the 60′s. I would marvel at the architecture, the history, the famous landmarks.
Then came the hippies, the Liberals, the homos, the grifters, the bums, and the carpetbag politicians (like Barbara Boxer).
Now, except for the elite neighborhoods, the Presidio, and a few oases, the city is largely a cesspool.
I used to have to go into the Mission District for work occasionally. The vaunted Mish, celebrated for its “diversity”. Its diverse all right, a diversity of illegals, drug addicts, thieves, prostitutes, and zombies wandering around aimlessly on the street displaying the thousand-yard stare.
Now we stay as far away as we can; except that last week my wife had to go there for some trainibng and decided to stay overnight rather than drive back late at night in bad weather. She left her vehicle parked in a city-owned parking garage, withe security, and came back in the morning to find her car window smashed so the thief could grab a suitcase and run. A $600 window smashed to nget a suitcase full of clothing. Maybe the thief’ll get $10 for the works?
Anyway, a stinking, rotting, corrupted human cesspool. That is what it has become. All of these wide-eyed tourists come from all over the world thinking they’re in for huge treat. If they don’t get robbed or mugged, they risk taking some disease home with them.
hahaha…wow! Not a ringing endorsement of the city by the bay!!!
Come to Philly Robert! YOU CAN STILL SMOKE…..EVERYWHERE!
46- Nice way to justify the slave trade. History has shown us that once the African slaves were freed, they were not all running from the plantations, but that doesn’t justify the actions of the slave owners. Just as you trying to justify the fact that you are condoning a race of people being used as slave labor under the pretense that our economy depends on them.
Yes we can survive without the illegal work force. You force the employers to hire legals and pay all the proper taxes on them. You force them, by following the laws, to pay them a minimum wage. This will weed out those that are here for the long haul from those that just want the social benefits. This will force Mexico to develop their country and utilize their people. How exactly is our economy going to go down the tubes by forcing those in Beverly Hills, Manhattan, South Hampton, and Palm Beach etc, to hire legal employees to clean their homes and raise their kids? How is it going to kill our economy to force people to utilize pool cleaning services that are licensed?
We are at 4.5% unemployment as it is…As long as we have legal citizens looking for work, there is no reason to keep illegals here.
I love metallica up to And Justice for All…everything after that is crap.
I agree 1000%…and “crap” is putting it lightly.
I don’t drive either..making me a TRUE environmentalist.
Sweet dude! Screw the hassle of owning/paying for a car! I’m not sure if there’s such a thing as a “true” enviromentlaist, but there are certainly varying degrees of effort. And not playing the “car game” is high up on the list!
You see, San Fran Sam:we have more in common than you think.
you don’t play guitar by any chance, do you?
have a crazy japanese girlfriend?
Oh, I know man. I try not to be one of those on the Right OR Left who always sterotypes the political opposition or isolates himself around only like-minded individuals. Diversity IS good…plus, I grew up in entirely Republican household.(!) I’m used to it.
I do play guitar! Electric and a crappy old accoustic.
Robert: “Mike, all you have to do is turn Liberal, and you’ll be pals for life!”
Robert, nobody has to “turn liberal” to be my pal. A bit of knowledge in Metallica and/or old Black Sabbath can’t hurt, either…
Peejz, I understand what you are saying, but it’s just not practical.
Maybe it sounds good on paper or to say it out loud, but it’s just not feasible to remove a workforce of 7 million people and replace it with another one. Who may or may not be willing to work.
Have you thought about the 4.5% unemployed? Do they even WANT to work? CAN many of them work? In that 4.5% number you have people on disability, etc…
It sounds “good”, but it just won’t work.
Robert & San Francisco.
Wow man, I’m sorry your wifes car got busted into.:sad: It seems almost a right-of-passage when living in a big city, but for a visitor that’s hard.
I also marvel at the architecture, the history, the famous landmarks.
But I think your version of history is a bit skewed…it happens a lot with this City.
San Francisco has ALWAYS been different from other American cities. Starting in its days as a frontier Gold Rush town the city was known worldwide as a rough place with it’s “Barbary Coast” attitudes. “Homos”, prostitutes, crime, corrupt politicians, “weirdos” like the hippies…they’ve ALWAYS been here.
In fact, that’s part of the whole appeal to some folks who come here. You don’t like it, fine. Don’t move here.
But, don’t you forget for one minute that it’s San Francisco who is still one of the top tourist destinations of the world, and the United States.
Not San Jose. (!)
68- The figure of 4.5% unemployment is the number of people that are collecting unemployment benefits due to job loss…this is not a welfare group or a group of disabled people..this is the unemployed but able to work force in this county.
Tell me exactly why is is not practical to
a. Deport the illegals
b. utilize the legal workforce in this county.
We don’t even know that that 7 million is a good figure. If I am to believe the figure, that means we have 3-4 million illegals that are not contributing to anything..
Of those 7 million people doing the jobs:
what is the breakdown that work in the AG business, vs the fields of domestic help, pool cleaning, yard work, truck driving, construction
Holy shit! Did you say Black Sabbath?????
Only my favorite band, the greatest band EVER!!!!!!!!!
San Fran Liberal is now OK in my book.
You said the magic words.
Peejz is great, “he said it right on the money”, it’s all comes down to dollars and who will have a home at the end of day!..what is needed is the idea of a rights of citizenship, over the people of the world:oops:
bush i don’t see anyone real saying that in our government.
However, San Fran….here is the test
Name your favorite Metallica album and the 2 best Black Sabbath albums.
Re #69: Yes, they have always been there, and things can happen in any city.
But what my point was is that the concentration is so much higher in SF.
Still a popular tourist destination because Conde Nast and the other promoters still paint this false picture to tourists everywhere. They don’t get hit with the reality until they get there.
I feel safer in New York City than in SF. Whenever I do have to go to SF, I always go armed.
Hey Robert if you go armed to SF it had better be a knife or club. They’ve banned firearms in the city. The NRA is suing and the city attorney admits that the ordinance is absolutely unconstitutional but that they were going to try and get it approved anyway. Of course this is the same city where the city council has voted to ignore any US immigration law that they don’t like and one councilman has called for the disbanding of 90% of the US military in favor of allowing the UN to defend our borders.
San Fran, I have noticed that you absolutely refuse to use the one phrase that accurately describes these “Migrant workers” That phrase is “ILLEGAL ALIEN”. A person who is not a citizen of a country is by definition an ALIEN. Any act that is in violation of a law is by definition ILLEGAL. To be in this country in violation of the applicable immigration law therefore makes them by definition ILLEGAL ALIENS. While they may be migrant workers as well, they are first and foremost ILLEGAL ALIENS.
I would hazard a guess that you don’t routinely have shootings within 3 – 4 blocks of your house. I do. I would hazard a guess that you haven’t had your buildings broken into and your property stolen. I have. I would also guess that you haven’t had running gun battles on your freeways between gangs of human smugglers. One of the illegals recently arrested in Phoenix was earning $19 an hour as a heavy equipment operator. Hardly minimum wage. He had already been been arrested, convicted of a felony, served time in prison and been deported once. While attending a hearing for a home invasion, 3 armed car jackings (obtained the handgun illegally, under federal law, felons aren’t allowed to own firearms.) shooting a police officer and being under the influence of illegal drugs, he attacked a sheriff’s deputy with a shank stabbing him 10 times in the face and neck. Maybe you need to move to a lower cost of living area where 10 – 15 illegals can pool their money and move into a 2 bedroom apartment down the hall. I doubt you’d be so damn fond of them if it were your neighborhood that was going to crap because of the violence and crime.
On the crystal meth topic, yes a lot of it is made here. However they are catching illegals coming across the border with backpacks full of the stuff. Mexico isn’t as stringent in controlling the supply of Pseudoephedrine as the US. I actually have to produce ID and sign for allergy meds.
FAO-When I made the comment to you, I hadn’t thought of the fact that we are eliminating needed ingredients here. That can be a big problem to come…MI seems to be the meth lab cess pool of the country. My husband and I were speaking to the pharmasist and he said that much of the otc drugs needed for the production of the meth will be changing in composition…ie gel tabs to pill form among other things. Pharmacies were forced to pull the products and have us start going to the counter to get what we need…Now the corn farmers are on alert for the following reasons
Now our state not only has the paranoid addict to worry about but also the state picks up the tab for the clean up of the lab sites, which are toxic.
FAO: I think San Francisco residents, who are proud of their leader’s decision to criminalize citizens exercising of their 2nd Amendment rights, should proudly place yard signs in front of their homes (or more likely, place signs in the windows of their apts) proclaiming that they support the handgun ban, and that “this residence is a gun-free zone”.
Surely any criminals that are passing through, on their way to commit crimes in a place where guns are allowed, will respect this ordinance and local philosophy! That includes imported criminals, since SF is a sanctuary for illegal aliens and has already said it will not enforce the laws.
I stay away from SF as much as possible. I don’t like getting panhandled every 20 feet as I walk along the sidewalk, and I don’t like the smell of stale urine wafting from the doorways of businesses. I don’t like having to watch where I walk to avoid stepping on human feces left on the sidewalk by bums. But if I absolutely have to go there, I carry. I refuse to be a helpless victim.