Surely any criminals that are passing through, on their way to commit crimes in a place where guns are allowed, will respect this ordinance and local philosophy! That includes imported criminals, since SF is a sanctuary for illegal aliens and has already said it will not enforce the laws.

I stay away from SF as much as possible. I don’t like getting panhandled every 20 feet as I walk along the sidewalk, and I don’t like the smell of stale urine wafting from the doorways of businesses. I don’t like having to watch where I walk to avoid stepping on human feces left on the sidewalk by bums. But if I absolutely have to go there, I carry. I refuse to be a helpless victim.

Now our state not only has the paranoid addict to worry about but also the state picks up the tab for the clean up of the lab sites, which are toxic.

San Fran, I have noticed that you absolutely refuse to use the one phrase that accurately describes these “Migrant workers” That phrase is “ILLEGAL ALIEN”. A person who is not a citizen of a country is by definition an ALIEN. Any act that is in violation of a law is by definition ILLEGAL. To be in this country in violation of the applicable immigration law therefore makes them by definition ILLEGAL ALIENS. While they may be migrant workers as well, they are first and foremost ILLEGAL ALIENS.

I would hazard a guess that you don’t routinely have shootings within 3 – 4 blocks of your house. I do. I would hazard a guess that you haven’t had your buildings broken into and your property stolen. I have. I would also guess that you haven’t had running gun battles on your freeways between gangs of human smugglers. One of the illegals recently arrested in Phoenix was earning $19 an hour as a heavy equipment operator. Hardly minimum wage. He had already been been arrested, convicted of a felony, served time in prison and been deported once. While attending a hearing for a home invasion, 3 armed car jackings (obtained the handgun illegally, under federal law, felons aren’t allowed to own firearms.) shooting a police officer and being under the influence of illegal drugs, he attacked a sheriff’s deputy with a shank stabbing him 10 times in the face and neck. Maybe you need to move to a lower cost of living area where 10 – 15 illegals can pool their money and move into a 2 bedroom apartment down the hall. I doubt you’d be so damn fond of them if it were your neighborhood that was going to crap because of the violence and crime.

On the crystal meth topic, yes a lot of it is made here. However they are catching illegals coming across the border with backpacks full of the stuff. Mexico isn’t as stringent in controlling the supply of Pseudoephedrine as the US. I actually have to produce ID and sign for allergy meds.

But what my point was is that the concentration is so much higher in SF.

Still a popular tourist destination because Conde Nast and the other promoters still paint this false picture to tourists everywhere. They don’t get hit with the reality until they get there.

I feel safer in New York City than in SF. Whenever I do have to go to SF, I always go armed.

Name your favorite Metallica album and the 2 best Black Sabbath albums.

bush i don’t see anyone real saying that in our government.

You said the magic words.

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Tell me exactly why is is not practical to
a. Deport the illegals
b. utilize the legal workforce in this county.

We don’t even know that that 7 million is a good figure. If I am to believe the figure, that means we have 3-4 million illegals that are not contributing to anything..

Of those 7 million people doing the jobs:

what is the breakdown that work in the AG business, vs the fields of domestic help, pool cleaning, yard work, truck driving, construction

Wow man, I’m sorry your wifes car got busted into.:sad: It seems almost a right-of-passage when living in a big city, but for a visitor that’s hard.

I also marvel at the architecture, the history, the famous landmarks.
But I think your version of history is a bit skewed…it happens a lot with this City.

San Francisco has ALWAYS been different from other American cities. Starting in its days as a frontier Gold Rush town the city was known worldwide as a rough place with it’s “Barbary Coast” attitudes. “Homos”, prostitutes, crime, corrupt politicians, “weirdos” like the hippies…they’ve ALWAYS been here.

In fact, that’s part of the whole appeal to some folks who come here. You don’t like it, fine. Don’t move here.

But, don’t you forget for one minute that it’s San Francisco who is still one of the top tourist destinations of the world, and the United States.

Not San Jose. (!)