Comments on: Gen. Michael V. Hayden:first step in a planned overhaul to permanently change the mission and functions of the legendary spy agency http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:43:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225166 Peejz Wed, 10 May 2006 12:31:32 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225166 In case you missed the update: Sen. Feinstein Supports Michael Hayden "We need a respected, competent intelligence professional who can command respect and manage this growing agency. Based on what I know so far, General Michael Hayden appears to fit that bill,"Said Feinstein In case you missed the update: Sen. Feinstein Supports Michael Hayden

“We need a respected, competent intelligence professional who can command respect and manage this growing agency. Based on what I know so far, General Michael Hayden appears to fit that bill,”Said Feinstein

]]> By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225150 FrmrArtyOffcr Wed, 10 May 2006 06:46:18 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225150 > Wrong. Adm Stansfield Turner under President Carter. <em>></em> Wrong. The CIA is a branch of the Executive branch of the government. Not the legislative. That's how we got into trouble in the first place with the CIA, too many idiots looking at working there as a stepping stone to other more political positions like congressional staffs rather than looking at it as being a position of trust to protect the US from foreign powers. <em>></em> Explain how being the person responsible for a decision is a conflict of interest. Actually I'd much rather have the person who is going to advocate the sending of troops into harms way in charge of collecting and analyzing intelligence than some unaccountable civil servant who may have a political axe to grind with a President and be more than willing to use the blood of US Service members to do so. The CIA was originally extablished because Congress felt that due to communication and inter service rivalries, the military had failed to detect and stop the Pearl Harbor attack. While this was later wholly discounted as a witch hunt, the agency had been created from the remnants of the Office of Strategic Studies from WWII. The OSS was a military branch that performed the functions currently done by Delta, and Seals as well as R+D in covert weapons and communications equipment. >

Wrong. Adm Stansfield Turner under President Carter.

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Wrong. The CIA is a branch of the Executive branch of the government. Not the legislative. That’s how we got into trouble in the first place with the CIA, too many idiots looking at working there as a stepping stone to other more political positions like congressional staffs rather than looking at it as being a position of trust to protect the US from foreign powers.

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Explain how being the person responsible for a decision is a conflict of interest. Actually I’d much rather have the person who is going to advocate the sending of troops into harms way in charge of collecting and analyzing intelligence than some unaccountable civil servant who may have a political axe to grind with a President and be more than willing to use the blood of US Service members to do so.

The CIA was originally extablished because Congress felt that due to communication and inter service rivalries, the military had failed to detect and stop the Pearl Harbor attack. While this was later wholly discounted as a witch hunt, the agency had been created from the remnants of the Office of Strategic Studies from WWII. The OSS was a military branch that performed the functions currently done by Delta, and Seals as well as R+D in covert weapons and communications equipment.

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225140 Robert Wed, 10 May 2006 04:01:45 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225140 If I were placed in charge of the CIA, first thing I wpould do would be to root out and dump the Clintonistas. I mean the worms, the weasels, the boll-weevils. They would be sent to Al Qaeda for use in beheading PR videos. Or maybe to Castro's worker's paradise to harvest sugar cane. If I were placed in charge of the CIA, first thing I wpould do would be to root out and dump the Clintonistas. I mean the worms, the weasels, the boll-weevils.

They would be sent to Al Qaeda for use in beheading PR videos. Or maybe to Castro’s worker’s paradise to harvest sugar cane.

]]> By: John Galt http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225134 John Galt Wed, 10 May 2006 02:20:07 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225134 "Most importantly, Gen. Hayden wrote the controversial warrentless spy program for Bush:" Please don't insult our intelligence and try to say you are on the American side. If you would put aside what you call "partisan blinders", you would look into the FACTS of the program. But I think your PLO member in cognito. “Most importantly, Gen. Hayden wrote the controversial warrentless spy program for Bush:” Please don’t insult our intelligence and try to say you are on the American side. If you would put aside what you call “partisan blinders”, you would look into the FACTS of the program. But I think your PLO member in cognito.

]]> By: San Francisco Liberal http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225095 San Francisco Liberal Tue, 09 May 2006 18:08:37 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225095 <em>"What exactly is so dangerous about a General running the CIA?"</em> An active duty officer is loyal to the commander in chief. A civilian head of the CIA would be loyal to the public, and to congress. There is a conflict of interest when you have a non-retired military man head the CIA. Again, it's not just Liberals like me saying this is a bad idea. PLENTY of Repubs, including some powerful Intel Committee members from the House and Senate... Most importantly, Gen. Hayden wrote the controversial warrentless spy program for Bush... “What exactly is so dangerous about a General running the CIA?”

An active duty officer is loyal to the commander in chief.

A civilian head of the CIA would be loyal to the public, and to congress.

There is a conflict of interest when you have a non-retired military man head the CIA.

Again, it’s not just Liberals like me saying this is a bad idea. PLENTY of Repubs, including some powerful Intel Committee members from the House and Senate…

Most importantly, Gen. Hayden wrote the controversial warrentless spy program for Bush…

]]> By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225062 Peejz Tue, 09 May 2006 15:51:40 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225062 <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/08/AR2006050801616.html?referrer=email" rel="nofollow">Here is the flip side </a>to SF's arguement against Hayden: <em>Despite such qualms, intelligence specialists say Hayden's appointment may turn out to be a clever move by intelligence czar John D. Negroponte to help him assert authority over Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and his burgeoning intelligence bureaucracy. Negroponte, who by law oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, has expressed frustration that he has not made more progress in managing the agencies under the Defense Department's jurisdiction.</em> Here is the flip side to SF’s arguement against Hayden:

Despite such qualms, intelligence specialists say Hayden’s appointment may turn out to be a clever move by intelligence czar John D. Negroponte to help him assert authority over Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and his burgeoning intelligence bureaucracy. Negroponte, who by law oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, has expressed frustration that he has not made more progress in managing the agencies under the Defense Department’s jurisdiction.

]]> By: mike kilo http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225033 mike kilo Tue, 09 May 2006 12:48:11 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225033 22. Megadeth T-shirt should be MANDATORY. 22. Megadeth T-shirt should be MANDATORY.

]]> By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225016 Peejz Tue, 09 May 2006 03:48:48 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225016 26-<em>Well, for starters, there's the whole Bay of Pigs thing:</em> You mean the Kennedy's? Yes I know it has been a civilian agency. It has had a dismal record in the past 40 years. Where are you getting that Congress will not have oversight? I think a better question would be has Congress been overseeing the CIA in the last 40 years? What exactly is so dangerous about a General running the CIA? I have yet to see anything other than it has been a civilian org..well I think that civilian org has had too much autonomy. I don't think they have had much oversight. Where did I say he was pandering to anti-Bush? I said he was pandering, imo. And he is not up for re-election this year. I think he is trying to appease the swing voters. 26-Well, for starters, there’s the whole Bay of Pigs thing: You mean the Kennedy’s?

Yes I know it has been a civilian agency. It has had a dismal record in the past 40 years. Where are you getting that Congress will not have oversight? I think a better question would be has Congress been overseeing the CIA in the last 40 years? What exactly is so dangerous about a General running the CIA? I have yet to see anything other than it has been a civilian org..well I think that civilian org has had too much autonomy. I don’t think they have had much oversight.

Where did I say he was pandering to anti-Bush? I said he was pandering, imo. And he is not up for re-election this year. I think he is trying to appease the swing voters.

]]> By: John Galt http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225009 John Galt Tue, 09 May 2006 02:01:03 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225009 What is "possibly dangerous" about a general in charge of CIA? The CIA is an open book compared to the NSA. WHo do you think has been running the NSA for all these years? What do you think the evil conservative general will do with his unlimited power SF? What is “possibly dangerous” about a general in charge of CIA? The CIA is an open book compared to the NSA. WHo do you think has been running the NSA for all these years? What do you think the evil conservative general will do with his unlimited power SF?

]]> By: San Francisco Liberal http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-225005 San Francisco Liberal Tue, 09 May 2006 01:36:16 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/05/07/gen-michael-v-haydenfirst-step-in-a-planned-overhaul-to-permanently-change-the-mission-and-functions-of-the-legendary-spy-agency/#comment-225005 <em>"22- you made the statement in 6 that the CIA had changed in 50 years, hence my questions."</em> Well, for starters, there's the whole Bay of Pigs thing... <em>"7- I asked where your critical thinking was in #7. You state that you object to a military person, but there is nothing to tell us why."</em> <strong>It is historicly a civilian agency</strong>. It's unprecedented and possibly dangerous to put military leadership in a civilian intelligence agency. Will congress still have oversight of CIA operations, or would those operations be under Pentagon control, and not subject to civilian review? <em>"14-in this case we feel he is pandering out of fear for the the House elections. I am well aware of what I wrote, hence I wrote it."</em> Yes thank you, but I'm wondering <strong>why </strong>you feel he has to pander the anti-bush crowd for this upcoming election by opposing Bushs nominee for the post. Could it be that Bush is so unpopular in the Michigan 2nd District that a Republican has to oppose the president to get a few extra votes? “22- you made the statement in 6 that the CIA had changed in 50 years, hence my questions.”

Well, for starters, there’s the whole Bay of Pigs thing…

“7- I asked where your critical thinking was in #7. You state that you object to a military person, but there is nothing to tell us why.”

It is historicly a civilian agency. It’s unprecedented and possibly dangerous to put military leadership in a civilian intelligence agency.

Will congress still have oversight of CIA operations, or would those operations be under Pentagon control, and not subject to civilian review?

“14-in this case we feel he is pandering out of fear for the the House elections. I am well aware of what I wrote, hence I wrote it.”

Yes thank you, but I’m wondering why you feel he has to pander the anti-bush crowd for this upcoming election by opposing Bushs nominee for the post.

Could it be that Bush is so unpopular in the Michigan 2nd District that a Republican has to oppose the president to get a few extra votes?

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