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Update 3: Via Stop The ACLU ACLU Has Massive Database Of Its Members’ Financial Information
Jay has posted this in response to the article posted on The ACLU’s website
Pot meet kettle!
Update 1: Bush Responds To The Story
Update 2: Via Flopping Aces who linked with Macsmind, a former intelligence officer, has some big news:
By the way….a bit of bad news though for the sources of the USA Today article, per a tip, your identities are known to those who care.
Opps!
UPDATE II: On above. I have an source email which details where the leak on the story originated. This particular leak is directly tied into the the denial of security clearances covered in this story, which broke last night.
Simple: Retaliation.
More to come.
[…]UPDATE IV: Folks, this was a set up and the MSM is taking the bait. It’s what you have to do to catch leakers.
And via Wizbang:
The phone lines and air waves are not your private property, so the fourth amendment doesn’t protect the fact that you use them or who you use them with. It’s the same as if the police parked on the street and watched your coming and going. The police can even follow you on public streets and into any public location to see where you go, what you do, and who you meet, all without a warrant. The fourth amendment not only doesn’t protect individuals from such observation, but requires it in most cases to prove probable cause before a warrant can be issued.
It seems that this USA Today story is the most talked about on the left leaning blog circuit. The story details how the NSA has been working in conjunction with Verizon, BellSouth and AT&T, on a program that does not involve listening to or recording conversations, but is using the data “to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.”
The story also goes into detail of how Qwest is not participating with the program, so it wouldn’t be a step for me to say that if I have this knowlege, so too do the people that the program is trying to detect. That to me is the story!
Others blogging about this: Sister Toldjah, NRO’s Media Blog, Allahpundit, Michelle Malkin, AJ Strata, Stop The ACLU, Confederate Yankee, James Joyner, Joe Gandelman, RightWinged.com, Blog For All, Tom MaguireThe Sandbox
May 11, 2006 - 09:38 AM on May 11th, 2006
Why wasn’t this information volunteered earlier this year when the first reports surfaced? This administration does not know the meaning of being “forthcoming.”
Why were we only given part of the truth as an answer, when we asked about this?
Are people still willing to sacrifice all manner of personal liberty in exchange for security, after being continuously scared by the Bush administration regarding terror threats?
Thank God Arlen Specter has some sense and wants to haul in the phone co. execs about this.
May 11, 2006 - 10:21 AM on May 11th, 2006
1- JP you are joking aren’t you? That info that you refer to was leaked, just as this story was leaked. This Administration, as well as past administrations do not owe you an explanation on this. The NSA is gathering info on cell phones/land lines and I would guess, but have no evidence, on our computers as well. The information is to determine patterns of the calls. They are not listening to them. What liberty is it that you think you gave up? This has been going on long before 9-11-01.
Given that you are so upset about this, I assume that you are in favor of racial profiling?
May 11, 2006 - 10:35 AM on May 11th, 2006
JP….have you ever gone to an internet site then been bombarded with spam emails? Welcome to the world of data mining.
May 11, 2006 - 11:28 AM on May 11th, 2006
Imagine that…the NSA analyzing data. It’a almost as if we were ina war or something. Kind of like we hav eenemies that want to do bad things to us!
How absurd of these agencies to do their jobs! We’d rather have them sitting around all day websurfing for porn, then when we get hit by a terrorist attack, we’ll just convene another 9/11 commission and make up more excuses!
May 11, 2006 - 11:31 AM on May 11th, 2006
No Robert, what we actually should be doing is having SF lib, the NYTimes and USA today standing out on the street corner like carnival barkers, announcing all of our plans to the enemy…..that is surely a winning stragegy in winning the war against Muslim animals.
May 11, 2006 - 11:38 AM on May 11th, 2006
Well, yes, actully, full disclosure is the only fair and proper thing to do! If the NSA needs to do its job, why it can bring a specific proposal to congress. That proposal will be analyzed, debated, and finally decided on. If it has merit, then maybe a year or so after it has been announced and detailed so the whole world knows about it, then it will be enabled!
THAT’s the Liberal Democrite way! (and no way to win a war)
May 11, 2006 - 11:46 AM on May 11th, 2006
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
May 11, 2006 - 11:50 AM on May 11th, 2006
“Those who will decline to do what it takes to win a war deserves to lose that war!” Robert, 2006
(and they’d drag the rest of us down with them)
May 11, 2006 - 11:54 AM on May 11th, 2006
No offense, but I think Ben Frankin might be the wiser of the two…
May 11, 2006 - 11:57 AM on May 11th, 2006
SF.. Ben Franklin probably never witnessed an internet beheading, coutesy of muslim animals.. or secretaries leaping to their deaths from 100 stories to avoid being consumed by a fire fuck ball, courtesy of muslim animals.
May 11, 2006 - 12:02 PM on May 11th, 2006
SF.. we are ALL opposed to losing personal freedoms, liberty, privacy, etc… but how does announcing our covert actions to our enemies help us to maintain any of the above?
May 11, 2006 - 12:17 PM on May 11th, 2006
Who’s Ben Frankin? Al Franken’s cousin or something? Is he a host on Airhead America? Judging from the great success of Air Jizzeera, I’d say that neither Al, Ben nor any Frankin in the Franken family has any wisdom.
May 12, 2006 - 05:15 AM on May 12th, 2006
Peejz–No, not joking. Your leak is my whistle-blowing. The fact that you’re buying into this manipulation by fear does not mean I need to.
Robert–No one I know if is asking for a full debate by Congress, but particularly with the wiretapping - since FISA includes specific provisions for this type of activity - the administration needs to follow the law. That or have FISA amended to meet current needs, if PATRIOT hasn’t done that already.
And they need to provide Congress enough info that they can honestly stand up and say “Yes, we’ve seen the details of this confidential program and we’re comfortable saying it meets legal and oversight requirements.” Not “we don’t know enough to determine either way.” Had they done that in the first place, and not been so fu**ing secretive, maybe the people who “leaked” the info wouldn’t have felt the motivation to do so.
That’s not weak, and that’s not “announcing it to the whole world,” Robert. It’s just making sure that Bush and Cheney don’t make up the rules as they go along.
May 12, 2006 - 05:42 AM on May 12th, 2006
JP-That whistleblowing was against the law, and if sources are correct, the person is already known. There is nothing illegal about what they did, nor will any tele-comminications company be receiving and fines. As I pointed out in the updates “The phone lines and air waves are not your private property, so the fourth amendment doesn’t protect the fact that you use them or who you use them with.” And this has been going on for longer than you have been alive.
Congress has been provided with the access to the program. It is up to congress to get with NSA if they have questions. Excusing the actions of the leakers is just not going to happen.
May 12, 2006 - 05:08 PM on May 12th, 2006
May 12, 2006 - 06:53 PM on May 12th, 2006
Having formerly worked in the intel field, I would have to say if I “leaked” material like this,,,,, I would be blogging from FT Leavenworth KS worring about my retention.
The “leaker” should go to jail and do the same…. I bet it is Nancy Pelosi. No,,, John Kerry,,,, ah, Ted Kennedy,, hell it fits their profiles to a T.
May 12, 2006 - 07:41 PM on May 12th, 2006
“…It’s just making sure that Bush and Cheney don’t make up the rules as they go along….”
That last sentence gave it away. BHDS member…
May 12, 2006 - 09:23 PM on May 12th, 2006
Neither the Phone record cross referencing nor the intercepting of international calls are in violation of the law. When will the Left stop beating this dead horse?
Jay Rockefeller is the primary suspect for leaking the Terrorist surveillance program to the Press. Giving full disclosure of classified intelligence to Congress has been a secrecy nightmare since the time of Jefferson. I had an epiphone today. I believe that the Democrats realize that since the 9/11 commission has declared that it’s not a matter of if but when we will be hit again, they want to make damn certain it occurs during a Republican Administration so that they can claim superiority on the topic of national security and in their minds cement their positions in power for years to come. That is the ONLY explanation for their actions.
May 12, 2006 - 09:33 PM on May 12th, 2006
#15, John, it reminds me of what Ollie North said about why he didn’t tell some members of Congress about the deal with Iran: Because some of them can’t be trusted.
For years there was an outright Marxist from kalifornia, Ron Dellums, on the House Armed Services Committee. I am sure there are more that can’t be trusted on that and other committees. That’s one of the Achille’s heels of our style of Gov’t.
May 12, 2006 - 09:35 PM on May 12th, 2006
#17 FAO: They just keep manufacturing one “scandal” after another. Next thing you know they’ll be complainig about our LE agencies doing anything to try to find terrorists already here before they do something.
May 14, 2006 - 06:02 PM on May 14th, 2006
Have you heard about a NY state senator trying to pass a law requiring that law enforcement officers “NOT” use lethal force unless being attacked by someone with a gun? He’s even trying to pass a new law aimed solely at LE officers who use deadly force to subdue a dangerous suspect. I think this idiot should be forced to go on enough ride alongs in the south Bronx until he’s involved in a shooting incident. He should of course be unarmed as he feels the police should be. Let him wet himself in a bad situation and then decide whether deadly force should be used or not.
Or how the South LA holdup suspects were essentially outgunning the police because dept higher ups had ordered the removal of carbines from patrol cars because they didn’t believe cops on the street should have access to semi automatic AR-15s? The body armor they were wearing might have stopped handgun rounds, but 5.56 NATO rounds are another story. Not to mention the increased hit probability of a rifle at longer ranges than handguns.