Or how the South LA holdup suspects were essentially outgunning the police because dept higher ups had ordered the removal of carbines from patrol cars because they didn’t believe cops on the street should have access to semi automatic AR-15s? The body armor they were wearing might have stopped handgun rounds, but 5.56 NATO rounds are another story. Not to mention the increased hit probability of a rifle at longer ranges than handguns.

For years there was an outright Marxist from kalifornia, Ron Dellums, on the House Armed Services Committee. I am sure there are more that can’t be trusted on that and other committees. That’s one of the Achille’s heels of our style of Gov’t.

Jay Rockefeller is the primary suspect for leaking the Terrorist surveillance program to the Press. Giving full disclosure of classified intelligence to Congress has been a secrecy nightmare since the time of Jefferson. I had an epiphone today. I believe that the Democrats realize that since the 9/11 commission has declared that it’s not a matter of if but when we will be hit again, they want to make damn certain it occurs during a Republican Administration so that they can claim superiority on the topic of national security and in their minds cement their positions in power for years to come. That is the ONLY explanation for their actions.

That last sentence gave it away. BHDS member…

The “leaker” should go to jail and do the same…. I bet it is Nancy Pelosi. No,,, John Kerry,,,, ah, Ted Kennedy,, hell it fits their profiles to a T.

Congress has been provided with the access to the program. It is up to congress to get with NSA if they have questions. Excusing the actions of the leakers is just not going to happen.

Robert–No one I know if is asking for a full debate by Congress, but particularly with the wiretapping – since FISA includes specific provisions for this type of activity – the administration needs to follow the law. That or have FISA amended to meet current needs, if PATRIOT hasn’t done that already.

And they need to provide Congress enough info that they can honestly stand up and say “Yes, we’ve seen the details of this confidential program and we’re comfortable saying it meets legal and oversight requirements.” Not “we don’t know enough to determine either way.” Had they done that in the first place, and not been so fu**ing secretive, maybe the people who “leaked” the info wouldn’t have felt the motivation to do so.

That’s not weak, and that’s not “announcing it to the whole world,” Robert. It’s just making sure that Bush and Cheney don’t make up the rules as they go along.