What would a victory celebration be without the Downer Debbie Democrats..you guessed it, the Dems were out in full force today:
Some Democrats, breaking ranks from their leadership, today said the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq was a stunt to divert attention from an unpopular and hopeless war.
“This is just to cover Bush’s [rear] so he doesn’t have to answer” for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers, said Rep. Pete Stark, California Democrat. “Iraq is still a mess — get out.”
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio Democrat, said Zarqawi was a small part of “a growing anti-American insurgency” and that it’s time to get out.
“We’re there for all the wrong reasons,” Mr. Kucinich said.
approval ratings don’t mean JACK SHIT..they are driven by media manipulation, why would I put any kind of stock in those numbers?
How does that saying go? The only poll that matters is taken the first Tuesday in November… and um….we’ve been doing quite well, thank you very much, in that poll.
It makes people like you angry that Americans would think Clinton was a better president than Bush.
I can understand your anger.
Clinton = Success
Bush = Failure
Robert, you are apparently jealous of Clintons success too. He IS known as the first “balck” president.
He was very popular with the minority community.
Doesn’t every black person know that Bush “doesn’t care about black people”????
Clinton = Success
Bush = Failure
SFL: “Mine, had 60%+ in his WORST DAYS:”
There he goes again, just making it up as he goes along. See below; SFL’s President!
Gallup poll: Clinton popularity at all-time low
March 9, 2001
Web posted at: 1:36 PM EST (1836 GMT)
PRINCETON, N.J. (CNN) — The popularity of former President Clinton has plunged in the wake of the pardons controversy to the lowest level ever, results of the latest Gallup Poll showed Friday, while his successor’s approval ratings have soared just as dramatically.
In a poll conducted Monday through Wednesday of this week, only 39 percent of respondents said they have a favorable opinion of the former president, while 59 percent said they have an unfavorable opinion of him. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
This is awesome, SF just keeps throwing out these fairy tale “accomplishments” and Kilo and Robert blast them out of the air like a ruffed grouse!
SF, it wouldn’t matter who the democrat was, that’s who the slaves are TOLD to love by their massas…
Mike,
SF is the Lord Haw-Haw of this board.
Robert, you are apparently jealous of Clintons success too. He IS known as the first “balck”president.
Yes, he was called that by the bootlicking plantation managers. The “Bledsoes” of the black so-called “leadership”.
He was very popular with the minority community.
Yes, they offered fealty in exchange for freebies paid for by confiscated tax dollars, just as they do for every Democrite.
Doesn’t every black person know that Bush “doesn’t care about black peopleâ€????
The stuck-on-stoopid sheeple plantation dwellers know that for sure.
55, Mike:
This is like skeet shooting! 
SFL maybe you better go take a potty break, get a drink of water, something. You’re getting hammered…
yeah, I actually now find myself waiting, with bated breath, to hear about some more of these phantom accomplishments of William Jefferson Blyth BJ Klintscum
Here is a chart for his approval ratings…
read it and weep.
Above 50% from 1995 on…even during the impeachment charade.
CLEARLY, you guys are SO jealous of the famous Clinton popularity.
Again, I ask you….how can such a “wonderously popular” god-like figure such as your bukkake butt buddy, billy, LOSE FUCKING CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 40 YEARS!!!!!
Come on SF…even you have to admit that throws a little monkey into your wrench.
What you are telling me is that, this ass clown was SOOOOO beloved by the American people that they turned around, as fast as they could, and handed both the Senate and the House to the GOP?
Is that what you would have us believe?
LOL…you guys aren’t touching me.
Here it is again for the slow learners.
Bill Clinton was an immensely popular and successful president.
Your Clinton-hate is clearly a demonstration of your jealousy and anger at his popularity and indestructibility.
You guys expose yourselves as green with envy with every anti-Clinton rant.
You can attact the messenger all you want, but you can’t change the fact that Clinton was a more popular and more loved by Americans than George Bush ever could dream of being.
this is toooo easy.
next thing you know you are going to produce some 60′s era documents produced with microsoft word at Kinko’s.
Yes, he was so beloved that the entire fucking country left skidmarks on their way to the polls to put Republicans in control……..
yes mike, that was unfortuante, but the republicans had a good stategy.
Plus, congressional dems DID need a bit of a wake up and shake up call. 40 years in power can make anyone a little…you know.
Staying on that, now…you should note that Congressional Republicans have a lower approval rating than Bush right now. I didn’t know polls went that low.
I’m going to interject some reality into this discussion with the moonbat, SF.
This is a post on Blogmeister’s blog of a letter from a soldier in Iraq. The letter is the truth SF refuses to see of himself and the other BDS sufferers out there.
The end of the debate: The winning shot: I’m done for a bit after this one…you just can’t come back after this. Clearly, America likes Clinton better than Bush.
sorry.
In a May 2006 a CNN poll comparing President Clinton job performance with that of successor, President George W. Bush, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.
The poll of 1,021 adult Americans was conducted May 5-7 by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN. Margin of sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
When asked which man was more honest as president, 46 percent favored Clinton to 41 percent for Bush. Respondents favored Clinton by greater than 2-to-1 margins when asked who did a better job at handling the economy (63 percent Clinton, 26 percent Bush) and solving the problems of ordinary Americans (62 percent Clinton, 25 percent Bush).
On foreign affairs, the margin was 56 percent to 32 percent in Clinton’s favor; on taxes, it was 51 percent to 35 percent for Clinton; and on handling natural disasters, it was 51 percent to 30 percent, also favoring Clinton.
why are you so obsessed with Polls? Is that part of the liberal DNA makeup? I mean, I know that’s how BJ governed, and how queen bitch operates…
If I were you, I’d start paying more attention to ELECTIONS than POLLS.
any poll numbers can be manipulated when 92% of washington based correspondents vote democrat…….
you can throw poll number after poll number out and it dosen’t mean diddly shit.
it’s all fantasy with you, isn’t it? It’s all how something is “perceived” and not how it actually is.
Bill Clinton is perceived as caring about minorities
Reality: He did JACK SHIT for them
ahh, but what does reality matter in the mind of the liberal, it only matters what you say you feel!!!!
CNN push poll = 0 value
SF, a CNN poll of mainly liberal Democrats proves NOTHING!
All you are doing is admitting that you were hit with the winning shot, SF.
Oh, SF, you don’t support the troops and they know it. They are starting to speak out about it. You are going to lose from their backlash.
SF got tired of getting pummelled from all sides.
Can anyone tell me how they come up with this bullshit concocted Clinton presidency???? I lived through it..you know what I remember? Columbine, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Elian, Monica, WTC, US embassies bombed, Black Hawk Down, USS Cole bombed.
not quite the rosy fucking picture that SF paints.
Mike, they are all issued and wear Clinton Rose (Law Firm) colored glasses.
69.SanFran…..now I’ve heard it all. Wow, a whole 1,021 adults. Wow.:lol:
Mike, I blame 9/11 on Clinton as well. After all, if he had paid attention to the problem we wouldn’t have had 9/11.
Just read, again, what SF chose to post
“Clinton also directed his focus towards eliminating Al-Qaeda covertly through the CIA during the late 1990′s.”
so, in other words, captain head job was fighting terrorism SECRETELY
I get it….so secretely that it never effing happened.
Yeah, I know things like “science” and “statistics” are difficult subjects for some wacky-far-righties to grapple with, but I can assure you that when done properly, polls can be quite accurate representations of public opinion.
It’s a lot to swallow, for conservatives, that Bill Clinton was an immensely popular president despite the highly coordinated right-wing assault that continues 6 years after the man left office.
Failure is hard for some to accept. And clearly the Right has failed in it’s 14 year smear job. Even impeachment couldn’t put Clinton lower than 50% approval…where is Bush right now? Hovering around 35%?
Wow. That sucks!
Your group jealousy of Clinton’s presidential success, even though you can’t even admit it to yourselves, is crystal clear to those looking in…
Methinks the Far-wacko-Right doth protest too much.
SF Liberal: “Even impeachment couldn’t put Clinton lower than 50% approval:”
ONCE AGAIN:
Gallup poll: Clinton popularity at all-time low
March 9, 2001
Web posted at: 1:36 PM EST (1836 GMT)
PRINCETON, N.J. (CNN) ” The popularity of former President Clinton has plunged in the wake of the pardons controversy to the lowest level ever, results of the latest Gallup Poll showed Friday, while his successor’s approval ratings have soared just as dramatically.
In a poll conducted Monday through Wednesday of this week, only 39 percent of respondents said they have a favorable opinion of the former president, while 59 percent said they have an unfavorable opinion of him. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
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I know we are supposed to be nice here now, but it may be time to bring up the mental illness thing again, you know about how Liberalism has been shown to be a form of mental illness…
again I ask you, if the object of your homo-erotic desires, billy bj was sooooooo effing popular explain the following
1. in 2 elections he failed to get more that 43% of 43% of registered voters
2. 2 years into his stellar presidency, they country collectively ran like there was a fire to the polls to sweep republicans into power.
some popularity….
we actually have this ass clown to thank for the 12 year lock on congress that the GOP has enjoyed
Thanks Bill!
Robert, you post a poll on Clintons approval rating when he’s OUT OF OFFICE??
How does that counter the fact that Clinton didn’t dip below 50% during the last 5 years of his presidency and more specifically, during the impeachment witch trial????
It doesn’t.
You can’t fight it, guys. If you can’t admit it to yourselves then that’s your problem, but the undeniable fact is President Clinton was a vastly more popular president with the American people than Bush could ever hope to be.
You’re all green with envy, I know.
answer my post, SF…
Again, my point involved ACTUAL ELECTION RESULTS..not Friggin polls.
Even that self-hating jew, phoney war hero, gold digging, trophy husband John Kohn got more votes than billy BJ.
“the object of your homo-erotic desires”
Hey now…YOU guys are the one with the serious case of Clinton envy; constantly talking about him and bringing him up ad ad nauseam.
“1. in 2 elections he failed to get more that 43% of 43% of registered voters”
Umm, gee Mike, I don’t know. Maybe because they were three way races and not the traditional two?
“2 years into his stellar presidency, they country collectively ran like there was a fire to the polls to sweep republicans into power.”
OK, this on isn’t as black and white as the first, but I don’t think Clinton can take all of the blame on this one. The Contract with America had some appealing ideas (that’s back when I was a conservative) and was fresh and new compared to the Democrats same old-same old after 40 years in power. There’s a lot more to it than that, obviously, but the Contract campaign was very successful at putting a fresh message out there.
“Even that self-hating jew, phoney war hero, gold digging, trophy husband John Kohn got more votes than billy BJ.”
That’s because Kerry wasn’t in a three way race. (!)
“Even that self-hating jew”
Why do you keep posting this crap when it’s been disproved a thousand times already?
Kerry’s grandfather changed the family name in the 19th century…and yet you and your ilk STILL call John a “self-hating Jew”.
It’s EXTREMELY ineffective to use proven false material like that. It reduces the effect of the “hit” to nearly nothing, and ends up making the poster of it look like the fool.
…FYI.
The only reason it was a 3 way race was because Clinton and Bush Sr. and Dole were all such SHITTY OPTIONS…and lucky us, we got the shittiest.
If you know me, you know I have one issue that supercedes all others…. the government has NO BUSINESS ASS RAPING ME FOR MY WEEKLY PAYCHECK.
and when Bush Sr. renegged on his “no new taxes” he was DEAD to me.
SF, I know.. deep down you are not as much the commie as you come off as, we have a lot of the same liberitarial ideals, and the only way to reach that is to stop feeding the beast that is government…ANY tax cut is a GOOD thing…PERIOD.
I will not rest until the IRS has been smashed in a million pieces.
The IRS runs a close second to soccer as the most dangerous enemy america faces.
SF, changing one’s name does not change one’s identity, heritage, ancestry…
I can call myself Mike Chen and convert to Buddhism, but that dosen’t change the fact that my family for CENTURIES are french protestants….
Why hide? Is he ashamed? Well, If I were a Jew, I’d be ashamed to support a party that advocates allowing a bunch of dirty sandpigs to forcably remove the only modern functioning democracy in that ass crack of the planet known as the middle east.
I was uner the impression that he was surprised to learn of his Jewish heritage…
oh, sure… you mean as surprised as he was to learn that he did, in fact, own SUVs?
Everything that man ever did was for self-aggrandizement and self-promotion, from filming war re-enactment footage (during the actual war) to tossing someone elses medals over the white house fence
the man is a walking disgrace.
I would never say this normally, by I’m ashamed to have served in the same branch of the military with this boob, he is NO shipmate of mine.
“oh, sure: you mean as surprised as he was to learn that he did, in fact, own SUVs?”
Mike, he explained that one!: Those SUVs are owned by the family, not by him.
Lying hypocritic disgrace…
and don’t forget his horrifying fantasy incursion into cambodia…..
the man makes me physically ill….and he was ALMOST (thanks to clueless nuts like SF) commander in chief
if that dosen’t give you the heebie-jeebies, nothing will
Polls are supposed to be a way to determine the general opinion of the populace on a topic. They have however become a way to manipulate the news to produce the outcome the producers desire. Their results are statistics and they are invariably skewed by the wording of the questions and the geographic location of the pollster.
Mark Twain wrote that there are “three types of lies: Lies, damn lies, and statistics.”
A friend had a text book in college called “How to Lie With Statistics.”
If you want a very favorable polling for Bill Clinton, softball the questions and hold the poll in DC or NYC. Want to really ramp up the results? Run news programs telling how he did such a wonderful job in the White House for a week and then conduct the poll. It doesn’t really matter whether the content of the program was factual or not, as long as it was repeated enough times. It’s literally propaganda 101. Repeat something often enough and people will believe it whether it is true or not.
The facts are that despite the massive loss of jobs related to 9/11. We currently have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the last 3 decades. That’s not conjecture or polling data, that’s fact. Does it get reported as “Unemployment rate hits new low.” or does it get reported as “Unemployment rate expected to rise in the future”? Honestly, both are true. If unemployment rates are as low as they’ve been in a decade, isn’t it reasonable to expect them to eventually rise? But which one gives a positive outlook on the current economy? Which a negative one?
We’re effectively dismantling the Islamofascists in Iraq. A document found recently (I heard about it a couple of weeks ago)in one of Al Zarqawi’s safe houses indicated that the foreign terrorists had dropped to less than 50 ideologically solid mujahideen. They were therefore going to have to stop Suicide bombings until further notice. They were instead going to have to concentrate on using IEDs to attack the US and Iraqi forces. This was extremely under reported in the MSM.
The Iraqi Terrorism situation is more complex than many liberals care to admit. There are at least 3 separate types of organizations fighting in Iraq. The first is the Islamofascists such as Al Quaeda in Iraq who are opposed to any sort of western style of freedom in a predominantly Muslim country. These are probably the most dangerous because they can NOT be negotiated with. They are going to be on a jihad to restore the Caliphate if it kills them, and it will.
There are the Baath Party loyalists who are trying to regain their power in the same manner in which they gained it initially. Through the use of terror and violence.
The third group is the Iraqi nationalists who simply want the Americans to leave. This group is slowly coming around to the idea that the Americans are NOT there to steal their oil or rape their women. They are pretty much winding down their attacks.
Now there are two other groups of criminals who are being lumped in with the terrorists because of the way they act, but they are truly just criminals. These are the criminals that Saddam released from prison who are making their livings by committing crimes like kidnappings. The other group is the sectarian militias. They get lumped in with the terrorists because of the nature of their attacks against members of the other sects, but they are simply violent racists not terrorists in the classical sense. These criminals will have to be arrested and jailed, the sectarian militias will have to be disarmed or negotiated with/forced to stop their violent attacks.
The MSM refuses to report any of the good information that comes out of Iraq, continues to report it as a failure, and then asks people if the Iraq war is failing. Exactly how are they supposed to get an answer other than yes? I wonder what the answer to that question might be if they left the beltway or Manhatten island and posed it to the men and women who have actually been there versus those who are just reading their slanted antiwar reports? Why are so many soldiers who have served in Iraq anxious to go back, including those who have been grievously wounded? Could it be that they know we’re doing something good there?
SF Liberal, you seem like a pleasant enough chap. Clearly you are intelligent.
So why would you align yourself with a philosophy, a fundamental orientation, that is consistently wrong? I am talking about Leftism, Liberalism. A discredited, humiliated, nearly always wrong fundamental orientation that is at odds with traditional Americanism, with the things that made America great.
Why would anyone in their right mind ally with such a failed, discredited philosophy?
FAO “…the foreign terrorists had dropped to less than 50 ideologically solid mujahideen. They were therefore going to have to stop Suicide bombings until further notice.”
Yes, that’s the one fundamental problem with suicide bombing. It’s a self-depleting tactic…they haven’t figured out a way to solve that problem.