What would a victory celebration be without the Downer Debbie Democrats..you guessed it, the Dems were out in full force today:
Some Democrats, breaking ranks from their leadership, today said the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi in Iraq was a stunt to divert attention from an unpopular and hopeless war.
“This is just to cover Bush’s [rear] so he doesn’t have to answer” for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers, said Rep. Pete Stark, California Democrat. “Iraq is still a mess — get out.”
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio Democrat, said Zarqawi was a small part of “a growing anti-American insurgency” and that it’s time to get out.
“We’re there for all the wrong reasons,” Mr. Kucinich said.
“This is a good day for the Iraqi people, the U.S. military and our intelligence community,” said Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.
yeah, I’m sure there was a “but….” after that… those asshat democrats can’t afford to give up on the conspiracy they have working with the MSM to perpetuate those bogus approval poles in the desperate attempt of stealing congress.
al-Zarqawi’s death is good news, but the jury is still out on the long term impact on al Qaeda and the insurgency. Some of what I read today, other than the facts of the air raid, suggested that al-Zarqawi had fallen from favor, had diminished influence in al Qaeda, and had already been partially if not completely replaced. In fact, he may have been given up by insiders who wanted him out of the way. Time will tell.
Don’t take any of what I posted above to diminish the import of terminating him. Kudos for that. I’m merely reserving judgement on the big picture impact. That’s not being a “Debbie Downer”, it’s being practical.
Yes he did SF…and what say you about what I posted?
The BHDS Democrites just can’t help it, can they?
For just the sake of Justice alone, or the sake of restoring the karma continuum the removal of the diseased, degenerate, despicable maggot Zarqawi is huge.
Rest assured, this war on terror is every bit as psychological a campaign as it is military. The “insurgents” (terrorists) are betting that continues american casualties will not be tolerated by their allies in the AMerican media, democratic party and american left… ANY good news throws a wrench into this plan, that’s why this little piece of sunshine, Al-Zarqawi roasting in hell, should be applauded, celebrated, and used as motivation…
they cannot defeat us militarily, and If we ever got our asses together, psychologically, this thing would end with a quickness.
Paul- I did hear that they believe they know who is replacing him, and they are tracking him as we speak..I didn’t take your reply to be a DD reaction. It is reasoned..I would disagree that he had been replaced..I do think he fell from grace, which led his people to give him up, but I believe that it was because he was nuts..he was killing to kill. These people that are his followers have families..the only people dying(for the most part, I am not forgetting our soldiers or the press) are their families..I was happy to hear that the military got their hands on a treasure trove of info! That to me was the real get in all of this! Yes, ridding the insurgency of him was huge, but getting into his mind was better!
Paul, no offense intended, but where did you read that crap? Zarqawi was da man for Al Qaeda in Iraq. His maggot-infested group was behind numerous gruesome beheading of captives, which were put on the Internet. His team was behind many of the IED attacks and suicide bombs.
How is it possible to diminish the magnitude of getting Zarqawi? The only bigger fish is OBL himself.
“This is just to cover Bush’s [rear] so he doesn’t have to answer”for Iraqi civilians being killed by the U.S. military and his own sagging poll numbers, said Rep. Pete Stark, California Democrat.”
Huh? WTF does this mean? They killed Zarqawi just for PR cover? Maybe they had Zarqawi in the sights for some time, but waited to pull the trigger for a time when Bush really needed the coverage?
What an incredibly stupid thing to say! Stark has been a f’ing idiot for many years. And all this from the party that supported “Wag the Dog” Willy, the Maestro of Manipulation of the MSM lap dogs.
Robert- I have heard a different version of what Paul said..
Let me ask you this though:
Strategically, which was they bigger fish to catch, OBL or AMZ?
Symbolically, which was the bigger?
I think that AMZ was the greater of the 2 stategic evils at this point in time, but symbolically, we put OBL’s face on it….OBL must be stopped, don’t get me wrong, but I do think he was the real evil of the 2…
Robert, don’t be so quick to condescend or impugn. The “crap” I posted is all over the news (other than perhaps Fox where the focus is more like a pep rally). Here’s just one reference from two months ago.
Here is Nick Berg’s dad reacting to the news:
“I don’t think that Zarqawi is himself responsible for the killings of hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq,” Berg said in a combative television interview with the U.S. Fox News network. “I think George Bush is.
“George Bush is the one that invaded this country, George Bush is the one that destabilized it so that Zarqawi could get in, so that Zarqawi had a need to get in, to defend his region of the country from American invaders.”
I am sorry for Mr. Berg’s loss, but AMZ is not an Iraqi and nothing to defend in Iraq.
Nick Berg’s dad is an asshat and should spend his time plowing the barren expanse that is Cindy Sheehan’s hey nanny-nanny
Paul I wouldn’t put much stock in that…those are not the reports I was referring to and I do believe that a meglomaniac like AMZ would not just step down…
Paul: Did OBL fire him? He was still the Al Qaeda leader, no?
Mr, Berg is, sadly, mentally ill imo. Apparently the loss of his son, a very tragic case, was damaging to his psyche to the point that he is no longer making sense.
I just figured out that there are two main reasons why the DDDs, BHDS crowd, MSM Lefties, etc. are trying to spin downward the Zarqawi kill:
1. They cannot stand the thought that this will be chalked up as a score for the U.S., and that Americans will feel even a tiny bit better about the scales being balanced, or that Bush might get any scintilla of lift from it.
2. Although they may not be consciously aware of it, they are extremely disappointed that Zarqawi wasn’t arrested so that they could generate stories about how we was being abused and tortured while in captivity: no Zarqawi-Graib stories for Chapatraitor Ted to exploit. They couldn’t revel in a Zarqawi circus trial, causing us to waste a million dollars while Zarqawi mugged and performed for the delighted MSM cameras and virtual Al Jizzeerists. They won’t be able to use it to generate any propaganda that our enemies can use against us.
Yes, this is the worst outcome for the Left. And the worst of the Left is coming out.
Huuu-aaaah!!! Good shootin’ with them bombs!
Robert,
I’ve heard it commented that this could be a good thing for the left. It puts Iraq on the front page, and the favorable press from al Zarqawi’s death will be over-shadowed soon by ongoing realities on the ground. Bush may get a short term bounce, but would have to face the realities of a failed overall policy once the al Zarqawi news fades.
I have no idea which way things will go, and once again merely comment that I’m reserving judgement on the long term impact of this.
I am dissapointed that the left wing of this Great Country would accuse us of playing politics with the war….. Isn’t that what they are doing,,,, have been dooing for quite some time? traitors! Thats what these people are.
Hasn’t Iraq been on the front page for months? The lead on radio news? What’s new about that?
Anyone who claims that the US policy for fighting the war in Iraq is failing lacks either knowledge of the facts, knowledge of military operations, or both.
While the MSM is soundly deriding everything that they claim is happening in Iraq, they are leaving out most of the story and everything that is favorable to the US. They are strictly sticking to the “If it bleeds it leads” axiom. Unfortunately building new schools don’t bleed, neither do new cell phone towers, nor do tens of thousands of new soldiers (unless Al Quada is blowing them up then they make the news) and policeman, etc etc etc. The good news out of Iraq is simply not being reported by the MSM. Perception is reality for far too many people in this country. Because the MSM promotes the perception that we are losing the war in Iraq, people are believing it even though it’s not true. Is it going to be a long drawn out process? Yep. Noone ever said it was going to be a walk in the park.
On the topic of military operations, there is one thing that no commander in the world can ever truly know and that is exactly what the enemy is going to do. You simply have to react to the changing conditions on the battlefield. Enemy starts bombing your hummvees, you put armor on them. Enemy starts doing something else, you react to it. The one thing you absolutely can’t do when you’re the substantially superior force is to retreat. You simply can’t. If you do, you not only adversely effect the morale of your troops but you strengthen the morale and conviction of the enemy as well. One thing you shouldn’t do is try to fight the war in a politically correct manner. While I’m not advocating barbarism, there must not be any qualms about utilyzing every weapon at your disposal to end the fight as quickly as possible. This prevents the war from dragging on and causing unnecessary casualties. Had we simply treated Fallujah to the same treatment we used on Dresden in WWII, we wouldn’t have had to conduct two offensives against it to rout the terrorists. They also would’ve found themselves as unwelcome in any other town as Zarquawi found himself in Baquba. For those who don’t know history, Dresden was a thriving German manufacturing city. During WWII, the allies bombed Dresden for a number of days including using incendiary bombs. A firestorm ensued that caused temperatures in the streets to top an estimated 800 degrees Fahrenheit. The city was reduced to mostly ash within the week. That was with B25s and B17s using WWII technology munitions. A couple of squadrons of B52s and B1 bombers with 2000 technology could level Fallujah to the ground in very short order. Oh that Islamic fervor is fine for the single guys, but one city eliminated and the family guys are going to think twice about their families being left homeless or dead. No woman is going to allow terrorists to hide in her house and risk having her children killed under those circumstances.
FAO,,, if the libs were running the circus, all we would be hearing is about the “success” of the invasion and how justified it was.
So sad!:???:
“One thing you shouldn’t do is try to fight the war in a politically correct manner.”
Damned right! And that is my main criticism of how this war has been handled. War should be fought with one single goal: to win. As we’ve already stated and agreed, Liberalism cannot win wars. I thought we learned our lesson in Vietnam, that political correctness is a recipe for failure.
If the MSM was fair and balanced, we would be getting reports of how many insurgents and terrorists were being killed and captured. It isn’t zero, folks.
It is about time we fought back in the press. The moonbats need to be confronted for siding with the Islamofascists, and that includes SF. It is time the full story be told, and the ldft made to acknowledge the truth.
IF the left, and especially the ldft on this board, want to side with the Islamofascists, let them do so openly.
Very true, PCD. On the one hand, the military didn’t want to do the body count thing, like Vietnam, as a way of measuring success. But by almost never reporting or estimating enemy casualties, they make it easy for the MSM to skew the situation.
The Left, the BHDS crowd, etc. couldn’t handle having the truth be broadcast openly in the MSM. It would put the lie to their agenda.
Robert,
Their agenda is to lie and lie, just like Josef Goebbels. The truth of who they are and want they want has been soundly rejected by a great majority of Americans. They crave power and want to operate like Robert Mugabe, take what they have coveted but were unwilling to work for using government, not earning their booty.
Bill Clintons biggist stunt was having him stand over ARAFAT and RABIN while they shook hands that was a stunt and staged for the cameras:smile:
yeah, how did that work out, senor blowjob?? Lot’s of wasted nobel peace prizes got handed out during the Blowjob era……….I still have yet to see “Hug-A-Jew Day” going on in Gaza….
Snowy, you’re being unfair to Klinton! We’ve been told by the Left that Klinton’s precision missile strikes completely, thoroughly destroyed Saddam’s WMD! You know, the WMD he also didn’t have?
That Klinton single-handedly brought peace to the middle east… wait, I guess not….
That Klinton crushed Islamofacist terrorists!…oh, wait……maybe not…
well, at least he solved the problems of Inner city povery and inadequate health care…oops, sorry..
Damn, well, surely he must have done something right, to be treated by the MSM like the second coming of Christ.. oh, I know, he put a woman on the supreme court who believes the age of consent for a woman to have her unborn child vaccumed and dismembered should be 12.. and THAT makes you a hero.
mind-boggling.
“IF the left, and especially the ldft on this board, want to side with the Islamofascists, let them do so openly.”
ad hominem – Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason.
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“surely he must have done something right, to be treated by the MSM like the second coming of Christ…”
Bill Clinton was not only a better national leader than the waste of space we have now, but he was immensely more popular with the American people than Bush could ever dream of being. Clinton was also probably the most intelligent president we’ve had in recent memory…no embarrassing, toe-curling mis-speaks like the moron we’re stuck with dishes out almost daily…
And most Americans understand that America was at its peak when we were under his leadership; economic booms, declining crime rates, environmental protections, etc…
Our nation and the international image we project has gone down the tubes since Clinton left…
Ahhh…the 90′s. Those were the good old days!
George Bush lowered us all. And some of you have a part in that.
Am I being a “downer democrat” to suggest that the killing of Zarqawi won’t really change the situation all that much on the ground?
For example; does anybody remember when Saddam was captured two years ago? I certainly remember a few Neocons or two thought the end was near after that particular American victory.
I wonder what some on this board were saying back then…
kool aid alert, kool aid alert!!!!!!
fudged surpluses that never existed
enron and company running buck fucking wild
jews being slaughtered daily in Tel Aviv
a dozen attacks on US embassies, Ships, interests by muslim animals..unanswered
American Citizens in Waco…murdered
Lincoln bedroom….sold
8 year old cuban boy…well, he did win that military campaign.
lies, lies, lies, and more lies.
you believe in a farce… billy blowjob was one of the 3 worst presidents in US history, the other 2 being FDR and James assclown Carter.
it’s fucking hilarious.. virtually EVERYTHING that liberals point to as a success during Blowjob’s reign of terror….DIDN’T EXIST!!!
Suprlus – Lie
Environmental protections – Lie
Peace in the Middle East – Lie
Fighting Terror – Lie
now, SF, you wanna tell me again, the great legacy of the Blowjob nightmare? Oh, the French liked us better…..wonderful.
he was immensely more popular with the American people than Bush could ever dream of being.
the problem with that is that you are equating popularity with good leadership..Yes Clinton was so popular that he allowed us to be attacked..again, and again, and agian, and again…and never stood up for us. He was so popular, that he did not safeguard the ecomony that he had and it started sliding into recession in 99′. He was so popular that woman alledged rape.
Bush didn’t lower anyone…the left has dragged this country down from the decision of 00′. The past 5 years have been aboput paybacks from the left and you have a part in that!
30- did any of us give you any indication that we felt this was going to be the end of the war? I believe we rejoiced in the fact that AMZ and his top people were taken out, and we got intel to boot…that is a good thing but the war carries on. A Downer Democrat is cited in the post …the idiots that are cited are the Downers!
33. Peejz, W never groped anyone who came to him looking for help like Clinton did Willey.
Oh, SF, with your answer, I’ll take that as you have sided with the Islamofascists. To you good news is Americans dead in Iraq/Afganisatan. All Al Queda set ups of civilian deaths are American Service men killing them.
“Yes Clinton was so popular that he allowed us to be attacked..again, and again, and agian,”
What are you talking about?!? Being attacked makes one popular?
If that were true, Bush would be as popular as Jesus; with all the Americans being killed from terror attacks under his reign…
“Bush didn’t lower anyone:the left has dragged this country down from the decision of 00″
Yeah, Peejz…that’s makes a lot of sense. The party that did NOT control Congress and the Presidency is at fault for the mistakes of the past 6 years.
Where do you come up with this stuff?!?
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“now, SF, you wanna tell me again, the great legacy of the Blowjob nightmare?”
His domestic priorities as president included efforts to create a universal healthcare system, improve education, increase local police forces, restrict handgun sales, balance the federal budget, strengthen environmental regulations, improve race relations, and protect the jobs of workers during pregnancy or medical emergency. He raised income taxes in 1993. His most dramatic domestic move was the radical reform of the welfare system in 1996 in cooperation with Republicans who had taken control of Congress.
Internationally, his priorities included reducing trade barriers, support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, preventing nuclear proliferation, and mediating the Northern Ireland peace process and Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, and military intervention to end the Bosnian War and the Kosovo War. He engaged in air attacks on Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, most notably in Operation Desert Fox, and funded efforts to overthrow Saddam. Clinton also directed his focus towards eliminating Al-Qaeda covertly through the CIA during the late 1990′s.
Clinton remained popular with the public throughout his two terms as president, ending his Presidential career with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-term approval rating of any President in the post-Eisenhower era.
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Just admit it guys, you are jealous of Clintons popularity. It doesn’t make sense to you and you fear the unknown, so you hate on Clinton even though he was immensely popular and successful domesticly and internationaly. Unlike that failed monkey of a president, George W. Bush.
37-Yes it does make sense. I would bet if you put a bit of thought into it, you would actually see it…but that me be asking too much!
Why would Clinton being popular make any of us jealous? He was popular with all those countries that took bribes from Saddam. He is yours, you own him..
“Why would Clinton being popular make any of us jealous? He was popular with all those countries that took bribes from Saddam. He is yours, you own him…”
Popular with all those other countries AND WITH HIS OWN AMERICAN PEOPLE!!
Look at the numbers, Peejz, they don’t lie. Clinton consistently had higher public approval ratings, more so than Bush could ever dream of.
I finally understand what all this Clinton-Hate is all about!!! Your team is freakin’ jealous that Bush isn’t as popular on a daily basis with the American people like Clinton was.
It probably really galls you, but you won’t dare admit it…
I mean, even during the impeachment deal his approval was up in the 60% range, while Bush is just barely hovering above 30%.
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“I would bet if you put a bit of thought into it, you would actually see it:but that me be asking too much!”
“Oh, SF, with your answer, I’ll take that as you have sided with the Islamofascists. To you good news is Americans dead in Iraq/Afganisatan.”
SF, again, you claim..
“is domestic priorities as president included efforts to create a universal healthcare system, improve education, increase local….”
yeah, his PRIORITIES..again, the liberal way..symbolism over substance…
NAME ONE FUCKING ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!
here is my favourite belly laugh statement in that ridiculous post….
“Clinton also directed his focus towards eliminating Al-Qaeda covertly through the CIA during the late 1990′s.”
I nearly snarfed out my tuna hoagie through my nose when I read that f-ing gem.
“NAME ONE FUCKING ACCOMPLISHMENT!!!”
northern ireland peace accord.
oh, ANOTHER FUCKING LIE!!!!
Subsequent talks on the agreement, which would have ended three decades of direct rule from London, seemed to go nowhere. Finally, at the end of November, David Trimble, leader of the Ulster Unionists, abandoned the seemingly sacrosanct “no guns, no government”position and took a difficult leap of faith in agreeing to form a government prior to Sinn Fein’s disarmament. If the IRA did not begin the destruction of their weapons by Jan. 31, 2000, however, the Ulster Unionists threatened they would withdraw from the Northern Irish Parliament, shutting down the new government. With this compromise in place, this government was quickly formed, and on Dec. 2, 1999, the British government formally transferred governing power to the Northern Irish Parliament. David Trimble became first minister. Two leaders of Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, received seats in the 4-party 12-member Parliament. But by the deadline, Sinn Fein had made little progress toward disarmament and claimed it had not made any such commitment. As a result, the British government suspended Parliament on Feb. 12, 2000, and once again imposed direct rule. In July 2001, after issuing one last ultimatum to the IRA to begin destroying its weapons stores, Ulster Unionist leader Trimble resigned his post as first minister.
Following Trimble’s departure, the IRA offered another vague and open-ended disarmament plan, only to withdraw it.
oh, ANOTHER FUCKING LIE!!!!
Subsequent talks on the agreement, which would have ended three decades of direct rule from London, seemed to go nowhere. Finally, at the end of November, David Trimble, leader of the Ulster Unionists, abandoned the seemingly sacrosanct “no guns, no government”position and took a difficult leap of faith in agreeing to form a government prior to Sinn Fein’s disarmament. If the IRA did not begin the destruction of their weapons by Jan. 31, 2000, however, the Ulster Unionists threatened they would withdraw from the Northern Irish Parliament, shutting down the new government. With this compromise in place, this government was quickly formed, and on Dec. 2, 1999, the British government formally transferred governing power to the Northern Irish Parliament. David Trimble became first minister. Two leaders of Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, received seats in the 4-party 12-member Parliament. But by the deadline, Sinn Fein had made little progress toward disarmament and claimed it had not made any such commitment. As a result, the British government suspended Parliament on Feb. 12, 2000, and once again imposed direct rule. In July 2001, after issuing one last ultimatum to the IRA to begin destroying its weapons stores, Ulster Unionist leader Trimble resigned his post as first minister.
Following Trimble’s departure, the IRA offered another vague and open-ended disarmament plan, only to withdraw it.
SF, I’m trying to help you here, keeping you from continuing to stick your foot in your mouth.
Northern Ireland peacel….farce
Surplus….fantansy
middle east peace…..laughable
fighting terror…..disgraceful
Ah, the Clinton record….
Clinton got Northern Ireland’s divided community to sit down together with the common goal of consigning violence and inequality to the past.
Clinton was a man who sought peace. Bush is a pathetic warmonger.
Everyone knows this…that’s why Clinton is immensly popular around the world and here in the states and why Bush is spit on and burned in efigy accross the globe.
SF, you are reaching.. I just blew your f-ing accomplishment WIDE OPEN and this is all you can come back with? A BHDS tirade?
Clinton was a man who sought head…….. and the worst legacy of that fucking nightmare of a bogus president was that he shat that carpet-bagging, bitch-on-wheels wife of his on the unsuspecting public.
Thanks, dickhead.
Mike Kilo, come on man…you’re just grabbing propaganda crap from some right-wing website. weak.
Try looking at some Unbiased sources for a change…:roll:
Again, I know you are just jealous of the immense success of the Clinton presidency and his immense popularity.
I mean, I would be pissed off like you are if I backed and put everything I have emotionally into a loser like Bush. What a disappointment HE turned out to be for your team.
You guys thought you had it easy after Bill, but no…it just went downhill for you guys.
Your president has a 30% job approval rating.
Mine, had 60%+ in his WORST DAYS…
Clinton = good president
Bush = Loser
I swear that you guys have concocted this utter fantasy of a Clinton legacy….NONE OF IT EXISTS!!!!
“improve race relations,” (SFL)
Now there’s one Klinton cliamed “accomplishment” that just jumps right out of the page.
Are you joking? Are you studying to be an amateur comedian, SFL? Writing your own material now, are you?
Klinton pandered to the Black Plantation “leadership” while participating in public acticities that only served to alienate and divide this country by race even more.
Remember his “black churches” burning crap? Then later it turned out it was a another big lie, that not only had some white chuirches burned too, but that some of the black churches were burned by their own pastors to in insurance fraud schemes. The whole thing was a pandering, posturing, f’ing lie by Klinton who was grandstanding to curry favor while inflaming anti-white sentiment among blacks.
It was the kind of cheap lying demagoguery that does great damage to Society. Yet KKKlinton did it.
It is just one more reason why it is a fact that he was a tawdry, lying, degenerate scumbag pos.
Your turn.