Iraqi Chemical Munitions Found
(Picture Courtesy of Michelle Malkin)
Emerging buzz seems to be focused on why it took so long to release info about 500 chemical-weapons shells found in Iraq.
Austin Bay predicts conspiracy-mongering. Ed Morrissey remembers a sarin gas shell discovery in May 2004. Ed theorizes:
Some will claim that the release is strictly for political purposes. They may have a point, but I doubt it will have anything to do with domestic politics. If Bush wanted to use it for that, he would have done so in October 2004 and not in June 2006. This information changes the picture about our pre-war intelligence in time for the Iranian confrontation — and I suspect that the White House wants to declassify it in order to convince European leaders that our intel actually paid off.
Glenn Reynolds has the press conference transcript with Santorum and Hoekstra.
Allah has good links
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June 21, 2006 - 07:22 PM on June 21st, 2006
WMD found in Iraq? (UPDATED)
AllahPundit is on the trail of this developing story, first discussed by Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) in a press conference earlier today earlier today.
CNS (which you should take with a grain of salt) has a write-up of Santo…
June 21, 2006 - 07:33 PM on June 21st, 2006
LIB: NO WMD’s! Bush Lied!
American Soldier: Ahhh, here they are, over 500.
LIB: They were made before 1991…
American Soldier: Ahhhh, yeah,,, and your point?
LIB: You are in an unjust war!
American Soldier: Excuse me? Would you want your family exposed to Mustard Gas?
LIB: If it pushes a socialist America!
American Soldier:
June 21, 2006 - 08:36 PM on June 21st, 2006
Well John, I almost hate to say it, but, haven’t I been telling the libs they were wrong every damn time they post on the list that there weren’t any WMDs in Iraq?
As for the argument that there are ONLY 500 shells, well there were over 3000 planes in the air on 9/11 but it only took 4 of them to wake this country up to the fact that Islamofascist terrorists want us dead too.
June 21, 2006 - 08:45 PM on June 21st, 2006
[...] Right Voices [...]
June 21, 2006 - 09:07 PM on June 21st, 2006
UPDATE VIA ED:
UPDATE VI: Rick at The Real Ugly American has an update with an explanation of the reason the Bush administration kept this quiet:
General Tom Mcinerney is reporting on Fox Hannity and Colmes right now that that the administration has been keeping this low profile to avoid exposing 3 of the 5 members of the UN Security council; Russia, China, and France. McInerney says these weapons will be traced to these countries, and asserts it is well known that Russia helped Saddam move most of his WMD stockpiles out of Iraq before the war.
We wanted to keep France, Russia, and China from embarrassment? Well, maybe. And if that is true, then maybe the White House has decided that the silence has hampered its attempts to get tough on Iran, and thus the declassification now.
UPDATE VII: At 8:46 PM, the first wire report from the mainstream media comes from Fox four hours later:
Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.
“We know it was there, in place, it just wasn’t operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that’s what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction,” said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.
The DoD reminds people that these munitions likely would not have worked if deployed and were not necessarily the WMD that intel agencies reported. However, they also acknowledged that Saddam’s retention of his Gulf War munitions shows his deception to the UN and the cease-fire powers.
The DoD reminds people that these munitions likely would not have worked if deployed and were not necessarily the WMD that intel agencies reported. However, they also acknowledged that Saddam’s retention of his Gulf War munitions shows his deception to the UN and the cease-fire powers.
June 21, 2006 - 09:21 PM on June 21st, 2006
WMD in Iraq Documents Prove it
During the Big Story today on FNC, when the breaking news of WMD chemical weapons were verified that classified documents showed that they were in Iraq, it confirmed what I have always believed along with Saddam also moving many other weapons out ……
June 21, 2006 - 10:12 PM on June 21st, 2006
Peejz, forgive me in advance, but here are assorted comments about the WMD from DU scum.
This is sad. But what we should see now is an UNEQUIVOCAL, STRONG REBUTTAL FROM DEMOCRATS, at unison, calling them on their bullshit.
4. surrrrrrreeeee……yawnnnn
and Bin Laden is waiting in a freezer….
It’s beyond propaganda. It’s pure Orwellian brainwashing for the brainless. Truly mindbending, if you ask me.
Cans of raid and a fly swatter.
Right … and these were NOT planted … sure
So when did you say I needed to make that downpayment
on the bridge you were selling ????
And a quick comment by an American, who has some sense of patriotism. “so i suppose the possibility that these were real, were bought by saddam, and were able to be used against us doesn’t exist right? btw, I know this post will get me banned but I dont give a shit.”
NOW TELL ME RV,,, Who’s fukin side are these democrats on? Moonbat traitors!
June 21, 2006 - 10:12 PM on June 21st, 2006
Unfukinbelieveable, these pinkos!
June 22, 2006 - 06:03 AM on June 22nd, 2006
One sentence you WILL NOT hear a democrat / liberal utter…
“Well, I sure am glad they found those weapons before they could have been used on American Troops, civilians, jews, etc. I have to give the president and Military credit on this one.”
June 22, 2006 - 06:18 AM on June 22nd, 2006
I can’t wait for SF to be a moonbat and tell us there really isn’t any WMD in Iraq and Saddam didn’t have a delivery system anyway, so why don’t the GOP admit they are liars and resign so the rightful rulers of the US can take their places of power and bring us Nirvana with Kurt Cobain.
June 22, 2006 - 08:23 AM on June 22nd, 2006
With this gas genocide in the curdish village in 1988 it was quite clear that Saddam’s troops had some chemical weapons… I wonder where he got those from
In general: Why isn’t sth done against all those dark channels where the looney leaders get the knowlegde/people to build stuff like that. I mean- it’s not really a surprise that Putin doesn’t want any UN resolutions against Iran, right?
June 22, 2006 - 09:02 AM on June 22nd, 2006
6–Really? So I completely imagined it yesterday when one of my liberal friends said he was glad they found them?
Talk about blanket statements that are just false.
June 22, 2006 - 09:19 AM on June 22nd, 2006
“Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
“This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,” the official said, adding the munitions “are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.””
link
LOL…you guys are funny. The only people talking about this are the wacko-rightie blogs, who get a kick out of playing reporter.
next.
June 22, 2006 - 09:22 AM on June 22nd, 2006
10–Interesting story. Thanks for the link.
June 22, 2006 - 09:23 AM on June 22nd, 2006
“A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions “in such a degraded state they couldn’t be used for what they are designed for.”"
link
…YAWN.
June 22, 2006 - 09:25 AM on June 22nd, 2006
SF, you are fukin unfukinbelievable! You said there were no WMDs. Well there ya fukin go.
June 22, 2006 - 09:28 AM on June 22nd, 2006
Yawn,,, on election day.
June 22, 2006 - 09:38 AM on June 22nd, 2006
Back when the moonbats and traitors said there was no WMD, I said let them check out the chemical shells found in their neighborhoods. That still holds. If they think this stuff is so harmless, then let it be harmless where they live.
June 22, 2006 - 09:40 AM on June 22nd, 2006
I got some crow here,,, open up SF. Your were WRONG! And futher more, you people (LIBS/COMMS) keep setting yoursleves up. Keep running your mouths. My Mom in Law, is Apolitical, and after hearing libs on tv last night, say the things you are parroting, said, “They found 500, and these democrats are saying it doesn’t matter?”. Just got another person to vote conservative in Alabama. LOL
Note to libs: Please keep talking! LOL
June 22, 2006 - 09:42 AM on June 22nd, 2006
PCD in Anniston, AL great lengths for security and protection of the public is used where they destroy the US’s old Chemical weapons,,, dating bact to 1950’s…. The public here has been scared shitless and there are evacuation routs etc. etc. And they libs act as if it isn’t dangerous.
June 22, 2006 - 11:16 AM on June 22nd, 2006
John, SF doesn’t have the courage of his convictions, nor can he back up the checks his mouth has been writing. When you put his rear on the line, that is all you see as he disappears in the distance.
June 22, 2006 - 11:28 AM on June 22nd, 2006
Let the looney left keep on talking…. Let them deny that Sarin and Mustard gas is WMD. They are loosing support by the seconds whilst their CS’s are running.
June 22, 2006 - 11:30 AM on June 22nd, 2006
Guys and gals…LOL…relax! This isn’t a big deal at all for a few reasons, but the most obvious one I will repoost for you:
“”A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions “in such a degraded state they couldn’t be used for what they are designed for.—
see link above…
SOOOOOooooo….yeah. They aren’t a threat, they are pre-1991 so they are not proof that Saddam kept a program going…you got nothing.
Your filthy, failed invasion is STILL unjustified as there just aren’t any WsMD being found that were a threat to the US or our allies – the reasons given for the War.
Just old – ineffective, rusty shells. This kind of thing has been found before, and nobody credible makes a big deal about it, even the Bush admin didn’t think this was important, otherwise they would have let it out long ago when they were hurting more than ever in polls and opinions on Iraq.
Again…YAWN.
June 22, 2006 - 11:40 AM on June 22nd, 2006
I guess that you wouldn’t mind one of the shells being discharged in your bedroom SF? You, SF, are a LIAR! You said time and time again no WMD’s were found, I told you they had and you said a few shells didn’t matter. Now we have over 500, and keep in mind the rest of the report is CLASSIFIED, but I truly believe you, and your traitor friends will have shit on your face for running your mouths. You are singing a diffrent tune now… LOL
June 22, 2006 - 11:59 AM on June 22nd, 2006
“I guess that you wouldn’t mind one of the shells being discharged in your bedroom SF?”
Gee, John. I’m really surprised you’re not getting it after being told repeatedly.
THEY…ARE…OLD…AND…INEFFECTIVE AS A WMD…
I obviously wouldn’t want any bomb going off in my bedroom, but I certainly wouldn’t be worrying about any chemicals from these were talking about.
Better keep looking for excuses and justifications for your filthy, failed, and tragic war – because this one is empty.
June 22, 2006 - 12:03 PM on June 22nd, 2006
John, how can they be WsMD if they are just plain old artilery shells with expired, and ineffective 20 year old chemicals???
You just aren’t getting it.
They are not WMDs. Your own government, says so. Pay attention when you read this next bit…for the third time:
“A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions “in such a degraded state they couldn’t be used for what they are designed for.”
see link above.
Now, what have you got?!? ….shit!
HAHA…
try again.
next.
June 22, 2006 - 12:08 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Your are an IDIOT SF. Would you want them dropped on your precious little liberal paradise?
June 22, 2006 - 12:09 PM on June 22nd, 2006
I really love telling you this,,, mustard and nerve agents are CHEMICAL WEAPONS YOU IDIOT….:lol:
June 22, 2006 - 12:38 PM on June 22nd, 2006
John…why are you not getting the fact that whatever was found was harmless as a WMD?
I wouldn’t want any bomb dropped on SF, but if it had to be these, at least I would know that there don’t have any active chemicals left in them. (!)
Why are you afraid of old, chemicaly degraded, harmless shells?
Do you always shake in your boots like this? It’s unbecoming.
June 22, 2006 - 01:10 PM on June 22nd, 2006
You are an idiot if you think these shells are harmless. You may want us to believe they were harmless, but they aren’t…. Good luck, you will need it.
ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE WORLD: SF LIB SAYS THAT IF A CEHMICAL WEAPON IS MORE THAN 12 YEARS OLD,,, THAN IT IS NO LONGER CONSIDERED A CHEMICAL WEAPON,,, IT IS HARMLESS….:lol:
June 22, 2006 - 01:12 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“Do you always shake in your boots like this? It’s unbecoming.”
This soldier has yet to shake in my boots, but your contempt for the military is quite overt now.
June 22, 2006 - 01:13 PM on June 22nd, 2006
I guess that is why the people who are handeling the WMD’s are wearing CHEM/BIO Suits… LOL
June 22, 2006 - 01:31 PM on June 22nd, 2006
John, for the last time…this is from Peejz post #3…
“The DoD reminds people that these munitions likely would not have worked if deployed and were not necessarily the WMD that intel agencies reported.”
Dude, you’re wrong. And you’re making an ass of yourself.
June 22, 2006 - 01:37 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Your hatred of the president, military, and our country has no limits. You, and your ilk, have way too much invested us loosing in iraq, and you will willingly help the enemy to have your recycled communism take hold in this great country. SHAME
ASS? “Likeley would not have worked”…. Read it yourself fool.
June 22, 2006 - 01:44 PM on June 22nd, 2006
John, fools like SF do nothing but irritate the sane folks that allow him the freedom to be a donkey. Just ignore him and when the terrorists strike, pray it is his house that is in the ground zero with him in it. If he survives, we can all ask him how harmless Saddam’s WMD was.
June 22, 2006 - 01:50 PM on June 22nd, 2006
This,,,, it, SFQ, makes Shiloh and Sandy the Toronto W@#$#, look sane. SF,,,, now referred to as it, isn’t in the least way intellectually honest.
June 22, 2006 - 03:02 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“we can all ask him how harmless Saddam’s WMD was.”
Why don’t you ask the DoD?
They said: “The DoD reminds people that these munitions likely would not have worked if deployed and were not necessarily the WMD that intel agencies reported.â€
June 22, 2006 - 03:15 PM on June 22nd, 2006
IT,,, “likely is the key word”. Does this comment make the munitions not dangerous? JUST ANSWER THIS FUKIN QUESTION!
June 22, 2006 - 05:04 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Fool said: “Does this comment make the munitions not dangerous?”
yes.
Do you now need my help understanding what “likely would not have” means?
wow. you’re dumber than I thought!
June 22, 2006 - 05:13 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“…and when the terrorists strike, pray it is his house that is in the ground zero with him in it”
LOL…and you say which side is the Hate-filled one?
Yeeeah.
Where is Mike Kilo and Robert? Why are the two dumbest f*cks (John Galt and PCD) on this board the only one talking today??? At least make this interesting for me…
YAWN.
June 22, 2006 - 05:30 PM on June 22nd, 2006
SF, you pillow biting pinko, I could care less what you think in your make believe world…. You are a Hatemonger, just like the other DU idiots. Like Cicero said, the enemy at the gates is less dangerous that the traitorus likes of you. You are an enabeler of the enemy, at your countrys expense, which I am sure most here agree is the LOWEST form of life. Therefore you are an “it”.
June 22, 2006 - 05:35 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” Cicero, about SF aka (IT)
June 22, 2006 - 05:38 PM on June 22nd, 2006
38–Are you trying to say that SF poses more of a threat than Al Qaeda? Wow, that’s a stretch even for the extreme far right. Can you please explain how he is enabling them?
June 22, 2006 - 05:44 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Alyssa, speaking for the “far right”, i guess, read post 29. Perhaps you might understand. The Al Qaeda, is trying to destroy us from the outside, the far left, is trying to destroy us from the inside. His breed is almost extinct, however they are dangerous.
“He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.â€
I have stared down the guy with the gun. I at least KNOW his motives, these guys do exactly what is quoted above,,, and in 39 if you care to read it.
June 22, 2006 - 05:47 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“Are you trying to say that SF poses more of a threat than Al Qaeda?” No, we can defeat the enemy of our nation,,, our culture that comes at us with weapons, however, the left wants to abolish GOD, weaken the family, etc, etc, (Destroy our Culture). In the end, an nation destroyed is a nation destroyed, and SF’s vision of America has no similarities to our Great Nation.
June 22, 2006 - 05:49 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Perhaps his vision is close to France, vietnam, China, or the Soviets, but it isn’t America
June 22, 2006 - 05:53 PM on June 22nd, 2006
41–Are you referring me to post 29 about wearing bio-hazard suits, or is it a typo? I know you have a serious dislike for liberals, but I don’t agree that they’re trying to destroy us. I don’t think they’re dangerous. At times, some may be misguided, as we all can be, but dangerous? I personally don’t think so.
Maybe I have just had a better experience with liberals, given the fact that most of my friends and family are Democrats. They’re not mentally insane, they’re not hateful, and they’re not dangerous. Maybe you know libs that are, but I think it’s “dangerous” to pigeon-hole someone just because you disagree with them. You’ve even gone off on me before for not agreeing 100% with you, and I’m conservative. I’m not trying to get in the middle of anything here, but I think it would be easier to take you seriously when you’re not wishing death on someone.
June 22, 2006 - 06:04 PM on June 22nd, 2006
June 22, 2006 - 06:08 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Alyssa, 39 not 29. Sorry. NOW,,,I wish death on no one, but the enemy who attempts to bring it upon me. However, you rush to the aid of somebody who will not support our nation one bit. Show me ONE comment supporting the United States that this fag is written. That is what I don’t understand. Do you naturally defend the underdog? I am reading my comments trying to see where I have wished death on ANYBODY here. Outside of telling some to consider “honorable suicide”, which is in jest, I cannot find it.
I
June 22, 2006 - 06:13 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Perhaps, I am blowing off some steam. All I ever here are these libs, either calling us murderes, occupiers, telling us how we are fighting an unjust war. I gotta get shot at trying to help children, (school supplies, teddy bears etc), and get spit on by these bastards? And I am fuking sick of it. You have a bunch of “code pink” “peace activist” assaulting injured soldiers when they attempt to leave walter reed…. There comes a point in time when you decide you must get off the fence and decide who’s side you are on. The US, Anti-US… Most of the left has made their choice, I have made mine,,,,, you?
June 22, 2006 - 06:30 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Sorry, it was PCD that made the comment about ground zero with SF in it. I thought it was you.
ops:
I’m not rushing to anyone’s aid, I just don’t agree with blanket statements made about a group of people. Doesn’t it irk you when people make statements like that about conservatives? I don’t agree with it, no matter who is making the statement. The reason I it bugs me is because, like I said, I know and love many people that are liberals. While I may disagree with them on some political issues, it doesn’t make them insane, stupid, fags, or hatemongers.
I have some liberal views, but am overall conservative. This isn’t about choosing sides, it’s about arguing a fair argument without name-calling, assumptions, and blanket statements. I’m not on a fence just because I want to see a fair, grown-up disagreement.
June 22, 2006 - 06:52 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Alyssa, please! “without name-calling, assumptions, and blanket statements” That dude comes here just to stir up shit. There use to be some libs who would come and debate, however this guy is a blind partisan. I DONT agree with the president on everything, however, I do support him and don’t think his is hitler evil incarnate. Geeze! Nothing against you Alyssa, I come home for a few weeks and get saturated with the freakin negetaive crap these libs spew.
June 22, 2006 - 07:38 PM on June 22nd, 2006
June 22, 2006 - 07:49 PM on June 22nd, 2006
If you feel he comes here to stir stuff up, then don’t let him rile you up.
June 22, 2006 - 08:34 PM on June 22nd, 2006
***Rumsfeld on WMDs, Today [Kathryn Jean Lopez] from NRO
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, there has been a lot made on Capitol
Hill about these chemical weapons that were found and may be quite
old. But do you a real concern of these weapons from Saddam’s past
perhaps having an impact on U.S. troops who are on the ground in Iraq
right now?
RUMSFELD : Certainly. What has been announced is accurate, that
there have been hundreds of canisters or weapons of various types
found that either currently have sarin in them or had sarin in them,
and sarin is dangerous. And it’s dangerous to our forces, and it’s a
concern.
So obviously, to the extent we can locate these and destroy them,
it is important that we do so. And they are dangerous. Anyone ” I’m
sure General Casey or anyone else in that country would be concerned
if they got in the wrong hands.
They are weapons of mass destruction . They are harmful to human
beings. And they have been found. And that had not been by Saddam
Hussein, as he inaccurately alleged that he had reported all of his
weapons . And they are still being found and discovered.
June 22, 2006 - 08:37 PM on June 22nd, 2006
And I don’t think SF just comes here to rile people, I think he finds it beneficial to get other points of view. He doesn’t agree with us, but it makes for some good discussions. Please don’t compare him to shiloh..he was just an ass! And Canadian Sandy? A tad bit odd, but she could surprise the stuffing out of me on points she did agree with us on!
June 22, 2006 - 09:06 PM on June 22nd, 2006
I’ve been reading some older posts, so the names Shiloh and Sandy were familiar. Shiloh did seem like a bit of an ass, and I agree with you Peejz from what I’ve read about Sandy. I might get some flak for this, but I like SF! I may not agree with him about everything, but he makes good points and doesn’t just sling insults at people that disagree. I like his attitude.
June 22, 2006 - 09:58 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“Show me ONE comment supporting the United States that this fag is written.”
Guy.
Who’s hate filled?
Ummmm…yeah.
June 22, 2006 - 10:00 PM on June 22nd, 2006
I don’t deny what I feel. Perhaps you examine your own words vs. your illusion of peace and love BS.
June 22, 2006 - 10:02 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“Why are the two dumbest f*cks (John Galt and PCD) on this board the only one talking today???”
:lol::lol::roll:
June 22, 2006 - 10:02 PM on June 22nd, 2006
“Why are the two dumbest f*cks (John Galt and PCD) on this board the only one talking today???”
:lol::lol::roll:
That was a good one!!!
June 22, 2006 - 10:03 PM on June 22nd, 2006
55. ONE comment.:neutral:
June 22, 2006 - 10:09 PM on June 22nd, 2006
…and thanks to the above for the kind words.
We may not agree, but at least we can try and have fun and talk like adults.
It is easy to get riled up because all of us like politics (why else would we be here) and because we all obviously care deeply for our country, but there is no need to be rude and try to attack the person and not the politic.
But we all slip up once in awhile…:wink:
June 22, 2006 - 10:15 PM on June 22nd, 2006
John, you and that other dude can be pretty aggressive in an annoying way.
And like I just said, we all slip once in awhile…
June 22, 2006 - 10:15 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Truce. Good Night.
June 22, 2006 - 10:21 PM on June 22nd, 2006
It is my nature, and I survive by being aggressive
June 22, 2006 - 10:48 PM on June 22nd, 2006
Sarin can be lethal in even very small doses. Mustard gas is another story. While it may degrade over time, it is only fatal when inhaled, unlike Sarin which can be absorbed in lethal quantities through skin contact. As for the rounds being ineffective, that could be from the fuse mechanism becoming nonfunctional not necessarily from the chemicals from becoming inert. Two US soldiers were hospitalized for exposure to Sarin after one of these shells was used in an IED they were attempting to disarm. It failed to detonate but still managed to expose them to the agent inside. That would lead me to believe that while the fuse mechanism had become defective over time, the chemicals inside the projectile had remained intact.
Chemical weapons are like any other chemical compound. Some are more stable than others and most can be effected by the environment in which they are stored. Kept in a cool dry place, they may last almost indefinitely. An easy example of the effect of storage on a chemical compound is Nutrasweet. If you take two cans of diet Soda and leave one outside in a hot car for a few hours before refrigerating it and put the other in the fridge immediately. Despite both being chilled to the same temperature eventually, the heated one will taste somewhat bitter and can cause severe stomach craps and diarrhea in people with sensitve stomachs. The aspartame breaks down into another compound when exposed to temps in excess of 85 degrees for extended periods. That’s the reason why I buy Diet Coke with Splenda in the summer. Sucralose is more stable in heat than aspartame.
June 23, 2006 - 06:44 AM on June 23rd, 2006
To John Gault, re: 47
I just want you to know that I honor you, believe in you and trust in you. I thank God that we have men in our military like you and want you to know that I thank you and appreciate you.
I have often been offended and at times attacked by liberals for the way I think. It’s hurtful and in the end I do question the motives of people who would allow our country to be destroyed. It just doesn’t make sense.
The mentality that SF has that it’s no big deal weapons were found. I happen to think it’s a HUGE deal and just like the lead up to 9/11 if we don’t stay vigilant and BELIEVE in the fact that muslim extremists only wish to kill us, then we will die ourselves. I do not want that.
June 23, 2006 - 06:52 AM on June 23rd, 2006
Alyssa, you have not provided John Galt one positive quote of SF’s concerning the US. John has a point.
SF, I believe in Robert Heinlein’s vision of “Balancing”. For you, try the code of Hamaruabi (SP?). You say the shells are not dangerous, experience say they are. By either Balancing or the Code, a fair test would be to expose you to the contents of those shells as a trial of fact. This is the only way people like you learn is to have reality smack you full force.
June 23, 2006 - 09:15 AM on June 23rd, 2006
SF Liberal does not apparently have the experiemce or knowledge to be making the pronouncements he makes.
June 23, 2006 - 09:23 AM on June 23rd, 2006
“They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.
He said experts on Iraq’s chemical weapons are in “almost 100% agreement” that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.
“It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point,” Kay said.
And any of Iraq’s 1980s-era mustard would produce burns, but it is unlikely to be lethal, Kay said.”
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Less toxic than most things under your kitchen sink.
June 23, 2006 - 09:29 AM on June 23rd, 2006
…yet again another wild goose chase from the Iraq War apologists.
and once again it falls far short of the mark.
I guess it just takes more time for some than others to come to the right conclusion.
June 23, 2006 - 09:29 AM on June 23rd, 2006
66–I know. I had a root canal yesterday, and the left side of my face is still puffed up like a chipmunk; I haven’t had the energy. Besides, no matter what I point out about SF, I have the feeling that you might deny any goodness I see in his comments. He may have a different view, but I don’t believe for a second that he hates the US….I really don’t.
June 23, 2006 - 09:30 AM on June 23rd, 2006
I used the word “goodness” in a weird way.
I know it might not make sense.
June 23, 2006 - 09:57 AM on June 23rd, 2006
SF- I am waiting to be able to get the transcript of the Hannity & Colmes show from last night..on the panel were a former weapons inspector and an analyst from I believe the Pentagon..They are in disagreement with your statement cited from the USA today..I will post my source when available so at this point I am going from memory..I had intended to write a post on it as a topic of discussion:
What both said were that these mutitions found can not be discredited..are they as powerful as they were? Both said no, but they are not something to be taken lightly and yes they could still kill you..Neither feel these date back to the 80’s…If you look at the post I posted yester, reviewing the ISG report, WMD’s are covered extensively. I am paraphrasing, but WMD’s was the direction Saddam felt he should go in…
June 23, 2006 - 10:33 AM on June 23rd, 2006
Alyssa, I am sure that one day, and it might be a tragic one, will see the world as I do. I hope it never comes to that, but it might.
Bon Bon, Thanks.
We got you covered.
June 23, 2006 - 10:40 AM on June 23rd, 2006
I can see both sides of the argument on this one. This find is obviously not the stockpiles we were told he had plus they are apparently old…but I am not saying the stockpiles didn’t exist. Saddam could have pushed them over the Syrian border between now and since the inspectors left Iraq in the ’90’s. With the Saddam/terrorists connection (although the left denies it), he could have moved the stockpiles before 9-11 knowing darn well that we would target him after the WTC attacks.
I also don’t think you can totally disregard the WMD’s they found. Whether they work or not is not really the point. The left always claimed it was an illegal war because he did not have WMD’s. With the Kurds being gassed and now these munitions being found, I think we all know he had them and had the capabilility to produce them and pass them on to terrorists. No one in their right (or left) mind can say that Saddam would not have been happy to give sarin and mustard gases to a terrorist group. He would have loved to see the US get attacked anyway possible. No one can deny that…well, they will try to deny it, but they’re nuts.
June 23, 2006 - 11:12 AM on June 23rd, 2006
Alyssa, I’ll take your answer as “I can’t produce any of SF’s postings where SF said good thinsg about the US or defending the US. Therefore, I’ll just blow some BS about goodness and hope no one notices I didn’t answer.”
SF, You, I take your answers as “There’s no way PCD can make me back up my words. I’ll just keep peddling the same crap, but run like a deserter if I am called to try Saddam’s WMD for myself.”
June 23, 2006 - 11:25 AM on June 23rd, 2006
75–Where do you come up with this stuff?
Did you miss the part about my root canal and how I don’t really feel like going through old comments today? Sheesh. If it would really make you feel better, I’ll do it in a couple days when I feel better.
Is that all right with you?
June 23, 2006 - 11:29 AM on June 23rd, 2006
77, frankly, I don’t care. You made a generalization about SF you can’t back up. You got called on it. Live with it.
BTW, it doesn’t take days to get over a root canal. I’ve had one, and a bad one. You can’t BS me on that either.
June 23, 2006 - 11:36 AM on June 23rd, 2006
PCD, you crack me up. Taking yourself a little too seriously is always good for a laugh.
You talk about making a generalization I can’t back up–dude, it seems like all you do is make generalizations about people! Relax…deep breath…repeat.
I’m glad you were able to get over your root canal quickly–they suck, as you know. They weren’t even able to finish, since they couldn’t get my mouth numb enough to scrape out all of the nerve. So they packed it with something (I don’t know the name of it) to kill off the nerve, and I go back on Tuesday to finish it. Given that it was less than 24 hours ago, I still feel like shit. I won’t be home over the weekend, which is why I said in a few days. I’ll be more careful with my wording next time.
June 23, 2006 - 11:51 AM on June 23rd, 2006
78, Alyssa, you disappoint me, and you never fail to do so.
June 23, 2006 - 11:54 AM on June 23rd, 2006
I’m glad to know that when it comes to disappointing you, I never let you down.
June 23, 2006 - 11:55 AM on June 23rd, 2006
I’m going to take a nap now. See you in a couple days.
June 23, 2006 - 12:30 PM on June 23rd, 2006
Alyssa – good luck with the root canal. I had my first one last month, and it obviously isn’t fun. But it does get better. Just takes time.
Others – regarding positive comments about the US, I’m sure if you look you’ll find many.
But here are some more for you; SF Liberal loves his country, SF Liberal respects and honors americas fighting men and women, SF Liberal lost a dear friend in Iraq and would never slander the troops who are only doing what they’re told, but SF Liberal will gladly slander the incompetent civilian military leadership and the Bush Admin and all others involved in sending my buddy to his needless death.
what else…ummmm….SF liberal loves and values conservative americans just as much as he loves liberal americans. My whole family except me are die-hard conservs and SF Liberal once was as well. Owned the first two Rush books from the early 90’s and loved them…I went to Clintons first inaug. in 1993, and didn’t like the man at all at the time.
We all need to put aside our fears and prejudices from time to time and understand that your fellow americans -with few obvious exceptions – are NOT the enemy, liberals aren’t out to “destroy america” any more than conservatives are.
June 23, 2006 - 12:32 PM on June 23rd, 2006
Where’s Mike Kilo and Robert?
They’re much more knowledgable and sensible than these two…
June 23, 2006 - 12:59 PM on June 23rd, 2006
SF, liberals view anyone not with them as the enemy. Read any KOS diary. You think slander is a virtue. I don’t and the crime of slander makes you a lesser person, SF.
People like you constandly undermine America asn spit on all your buddy fought for.
June 23, 2006 - 01:59 PM on June 23rd, 2006
WTF SF,, 83. I havent said a fukin word to you today?
June 23, 2006 - 04:39 PM on June 23rd, 2006
The Old Liberal Mind Trick “These Aren’t The WMD’s You Are Looking For”
You can never catch liberals, wrapped up in hatred for America, in a lie. Not because they don’t lie; they do that more often than Imelda Marcos buys shoes! But rather because they simply either claim that what they said was not what they said or that the
June 24, 2006 - 10:34 PM on June 24th, 2006
SF, David Kay may be right in saying that the remaining Sarin may have degraded to the point of being less than fully operational. However, seeing as two US soldiers were hospitalized for sarin exposure, I would have to hazard a guess that he is probably wrong. Taking into account his previous statements that Iraq had no WMDs, any new finds would have to be declared inert in order for him to retain his reputation. In other words, my money is on his new statement being simply CYA for his previous ones.
BTW He’s probably right about having more dangerous stuff under your kitchen sink. NEVER mix chlorine bleach with ammonia cleaner. The resulting gas is actually at least as lethal if not more so than Mustard gas if inhaled. It doesn’t cause blistering of skin like Mustard gas, but can cause chemical burns to the throat, nasal passages and lungs if inhaled. I highly recommend that if anyone uses chlorine bleach (Purex or generic brands, Chlorox brand is different chemically) and generic ammonia cleaners that they store them in separate locations and NEVER in unmarked bottles. I once went into a drug store and they were displaying bleach and ammonia cleaner on the same shelf. If anyone had stumbled into the shelf and the bottles opened upon hitting the floor, half of the store would’ve become a hazmat site. I suggested to them that that might not be the best way to display them.
June 25, 2006 - 08:40 AM on June 25th, 2006
One more point on the David Kay et al comments on the WMDs being “not usable as designed” or “might not have worked if deployed” does NOT equate to harmless. Rifle ammunition with degraded primers can still explode if burned. Would they be considered “Not usable as designed” or “might not have worked if deployed”? Yes. Would they then be harmless when they exploded in a fire? No.
If a chemical round will no longer explode and disperse the chemicals, it won’t work if deployed as an artillery shell. Drill a hole in the base, drain out the Sarin into a container and release it into a ventilation system (much more practical for terrorists, smuggling a backpack of plastic containers into the US is substantially easier than a 2 ton howitzer)it will kill people. Is it being used as designed? No. Is it still dangerous? Yes.
Just because a weapon won’t function as designed, doesn’t mean it isn’t still a weapon.That’s like saying that since an axe is too dull to cut, it’s no longer an effective weapon. It’s BS.