About That UN Observer Post
Jed Babbin explains: “The U.N.’s years-long record on the Israel-Lebanon border makes mockery of the term “peacekeeping.” On page 155 of my book, “Inside the Asylum,” is a picture of a U.N. outpost on that border. The U.N. flag and the Hezbollah flag fly side by side. Observers told me the U.N. and Hezbollah personnel share water and telephones, and that the U.N. presence serves as a shield against Israeli strikes against the terrorists.”
Canadian General: UN Observer Post Used By Hizballah ”
Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie was interviewed on CBC radio, and had some very interesting news about the UN observer post hit by Israeli shells; the Canadian peacekeeper killed there had previously emailed Mackenzie telling him that Hizballah was using their post as cover.
Interesting..here is the text of what the Major said:
We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. Now that’s veiled speech in the military. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it.
One might ask what the UNIFIL forces did during this time. Apparently, not a lot. They didn’t act as a deterrent, nor did they do much to stop it. That might come up for discussion at the UN Security Council very soon, because UNIFIL’s mandate expires next Monday:
According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to:
* Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon;
* Restore international peace and security;
* Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area.Most recently the mandate of UNIFIL was extended until 31 July 2006 by Security Council resolution 1655 (2006) of 31 January 2006.
I doubt seriously that anyone will support its extension, given the complete failure of this mission to provide any sort of protection against terrorism in the region.
July 26, 2006 - 10:34 PM on July 26th, 2006
Wow! You guys are defending this ?!?!?
…because the post was being used as a shield by Hezbollah, it was OK for Israel to hit it?
July 26, 2006 - 10:41 PM on July 26th, 2006
Because Hezbollah was there, it was absolutley ok for Israel to hit it.
The U.N. should have either told Hezbollah to move on, or packed up and left themselves since they weren’t doing anything useful.
War is hell, ain’t it?
July 26, 2006 - 11:14 PM on July 26th, 2006
“UN observers made 10 frantic telephone calls to the Israeli military, warning them aerial attacks were getting close to their post, in the hours before a direct hit on their bunker killed four peacekeepers.
A UN report released last night said the peacekeepers were told during each of the calls that the bombing would cease, but they were then hit by a precision-guided missile.
UN rescue teams were trying last night to recover the bodies of their colleagues – believed to be Austrian, Finnish, Canadian and Chinese peacekeepers – from the ruins of their post at Khiyam, near the Lebanon-Israeli border.”
“Mr Olmert said the strike had been a “tragic accident”. He apologised to UN staff…”
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Robert, you come across as being blood thirsty.
July 26, 2006 - 11:33 PM on July 26th, 2006
San Fran, Israel wasn’t targeting the UN Post. They were targeting the Hezbollah Terrorists who were hiding next to it. Ever hear of the phrase “Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades?” The smallest field artillery round currently fielded by the US military is the 105 MM howitzer. It has a blast radius of 50 meters, the 155 mm (the most popular artillery round because it is used in both towed howitzers, the M198 series, and self propelled howitzers, the M109 series) has a blast radius of 100 meters. As the now deceased Canadian peacekeeper indicated, while Israel was targeting the Hezbollah terrorists, due to their illegally> hiding next to the UN peacekeepers, the peacekeepers were unfortunately inside of the blast radius of the incoming artillery.
While I know that your heart is in the right place, your lack of knowledge about military equipment, operations, and the history of warfare makes you look like an idiot when you start to argue about things you know next to nothing about. War sucks. People die.
Ceasefires are only as good as the parties signing them, and NGOs such as Hamas and Hezbollah are notorious for failing to abide by any agreement that they sign because they KNOW they won’t be held accountable for breaking it.
The only means of assuring peace is to insure that any aggression will be met with an OVERWHELMING response. Not proportional, OVERWHELMING. The best way to explain it would be a risk/ reward analysis. As long the reward outweighs the risk, the terrorists will continue to attack. Once the risk outweighs the rewards, the attacks will cease. Seeing as the terrorist leadership KNOWS that increased civilian casualties actually work in their favor, they do not see anything less than total destruction as a risk. Therefore any response other than near total annihilation of Hezbollah will be considered a victory for Hezbollah and will encourage them to continue their attacks. f the risk/reward model doesn’t do it for you, look at it as a sporting event with a point spread. For Israel to beat the spread, they have to eliminate the vast majority of the terrorists, anything less and the terrorists win.
While I feel sorry for the civilians who are losing their homes and families, the facts are that because they have been complicit in the Hezbollah preparation for the attacks on Israel, they are far from innocent. Under US law, anyone who assists in the commission of a crime can be charged and convicted of the crime as well as the perpetrator. If the civilians didn’t want Hezbollah using their homes and neighborhood to store and fire rockets, they should’ve petitioned the Lebanese government to remove Hezbollah. Since they did neither, they’re at fault for putting their family at risk.
July 26, 2006 - 11:48 PM on July 26th, 2006
Yes, for those who need to die, you betcha. Or to be more politically-correct, I would euphemistically say that I am greatly interested in assisting the Islamofascists in their quest to go to Allah forthwith. Does that sound better?
U.S. Marine Corps: Travel Agents to Allah
July 27, 2006 - 03:16 AM on July 27th, 2006
The UN being cozy with Hezbollah shows why we need to get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US!
July 27, 2006 - 08:35 AM on July 27th, 2006
1-I offered you another perspective on the situation. Kofi said the target was clearly marked, which it was..with a UN and a Hezbollah flag flying in front of it! Not to meantion that the U.N. and Hezbollah personnel share water and telephones.
July 27, 2006 - 10:02 AM on July 27th, 2006
FAO, you’re wrong here. Read what I posted: The UN Post REPEATEDLY (10 times) warned the Israeli military that their strikes were getting closer and closer.
Israel WAS WARNED (10 times) and yet did not stop or make a correction.
That steps over the line.
MURDER.
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“While I feel sorry for the civilians who are losing their homes and families, the facts are that because they have been complicit in the Hezbollah preparation for the attacks on Israel, they are far from innocent”
That’s sick. I don’t accept for one second that babies and toddlers are “complicit” with Hezbollah.
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You and your ilk just don’t get it. EVERYTIME you hit back, and especially when you hit back HARD at these people, it increases their strength with the people and makes their hand stronger.
Listen close: THEY WANT YOU TO FIGHT THEM. It makes them look like they are fighting for the people and their religion.
How else would their clerics and mullahs be proven correct when they preach of US/Israeli aggression that will occupy your homes and murder your children?!?
You and hawks like you think that overwhelming force will make the stakes too high for them to accept in the future, but you are wrong.
Look at Iraq. Our very presence there and our heavy-handed actions have MADE MORE TERRORISTS and enemies of the US than the opposite.
WATCH and see what happens in Lebanon.
Israel is not improving their position at all. And if they occupy southern Lebanon again, they just RE-create the conditions which led to the creation of Hezbollah in the first place.
July 27, 2006 - 10:09 AM on July 27th, 2006
“I offered you another perspective on the situation.”
Yeah, a disgusting perspective. I expected better from Americans and from you, but…
“Kofi said the target was clearly marked, which it was..with a UN and a Hezbollah flag flying in front of it!”
So what? Because they had a Hezbollah flag flying nearby, those for UN Peacekeeprs deserved to die???
That’s real shitty reasoning on your part.
“Not to meantion that the U.N. and Hezbollah personnel share water and telephones.”
Again, so what? If they are in close proximity with eachother, what’s wrong with that?
You wouldn’t share your water with other people?
July 27, 2006 - 10:13 AM on July 27th, 2006
The UN and Hezbollah are not people, they are enemies of the United States of America.
July 27, 2006 - 10:22 AM on July 27th, 2006
9- I am sorry if the truth disgusts you but your anger might be better served if it was directed to the people that are responsible..the UN cozied up to a terrorist organization. “The world must accept that in every society different groups may hold different views.”AP In other words, Annan sees terrorism as a legitimate political point of view (at least when it is aimed against Israel). What’s more, Hezbollah stood in the way of the implementation of a U.N. resolution calling for the end of the Syrian occupation of Lebanon. In other words, Kofi Annan is not interested in the successful implementation of the resolutions of the organization he heads (at least not in regard to Israel’s enemies).
There is only one explanation for Kofi Annan taking positions running counter to his own interests. His hatred of Israel is so deep that it trumps all other considerations including the war on terrorism and the credibility the organization he himself heads. This irrational hatred towards the Jewish State is no different than the centuries-old irrational hatred towards the Jewish People. This hatred has been around for a long time and has a name: Anti-Semitism. It is time we recognized it for what it is and treat it accordingly.
July 27, 2006 - 10:31 AM on July 27th, 2006
GREAT article regarding the WOT.
On Sunday, John Kerry said of Israel’s war against Hezbollah, “If I was President, this wouldn’t have happened,” adding, “we have to destroy Hezbollah.”
But wait a minute — Hezbollah didn’t attack us on 9/11! Wouldn’t fighting Hezbollah distract us from the urgent task of finding Osama bin Laden?
Democrats can’t come out and admit that they refuse to fight any war in defense of America, so they utter the “Where’s Osama?” incantation to pretend that they’d be doing something. To wit: dedicating the entire resources of the U.S. military to locating Osama bin Laden.
Thus, in the third presidential debate, Kerry complained about the cost of the war in Iraq, saying the war was “the result of this president taking his eye off of Osama bin Laden.”
After making the capture of Osama bin Laden their sole objective in the war on terrorism, now Democrats expect us to believe they would have been fighting every other Muslim jihadist on the planet like mad — just not one of the main sponsors of Islamic terrorism, Saddam Hussein. But they’d be merciless with every other mass-murdering, Islamic terror-sponsoring lunatic.
Israel’s recent tussle with Hezbollah reminds us how absurd the Democrats’ fixation on Osama is. America has been under attack from Muslim extremists for nearly 30 years. Not just al Qaeda and certainly not just Osama bin Laden.
Here’s the highlights reel for anyone still voting for the Democrats:
– November 1979: Muslim extremists (Iranian variety) seized the U.S. embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days, following Democrat Jimmy Carter’s masterful foreign policy granting Islamic fanaticism its first real foothold in the Middle East.
– 1982: Muslim extremists (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2 years.
– April 1983: Muslim extremists (Islamic Jihad or possibly Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.
– October 1983: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S. Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.
– December 1983: Muslim extremists (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.
– September 1984: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) exploded a truck bomb at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut, killing 24 people, including two U.S. servicemen.
– December 1984: Muslim extremists (probably Hezbollah) hijacked a Kuwait Airways airplane, landed in Iran and demanded the release of the 17 members of al-Dawa who had been arrested for the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing two Americans before the siege was over.
– June 14, 1985: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) hijacked TWA Flight 847 out of Athens, diverting it to Beirut, taking the passengers hostage in return for the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as another 700 prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, the Muslims shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac.
– October 1985: Muslim extremists (Palestine Liberation Front backed by Libya) seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, killing 69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer by shooting him and then tossing his body overboard.
– December 1985: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed airports in Rome and Vienna, killing 20 people, including five Americans.
– April 1986: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed a discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen in West Berlin, injuring hundreds and killing two, including a U.S. soldier.
– December 1988: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 on board and 11 on the ground.
(Then came an amazing, historic pause in Muslim extremists’ relentless war on America after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by doing the opposite of everything recommended by Democrats, depriving Islamic terrorists of their Soviet sponsors. This confuses liberals because they don’t understand the concept of terror sponsors, whether it’s the Soviet Union or Iraq.)
– February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al Qaeda) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.
– Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI’s lower Manhattan headquarters.
– November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian “Party of God”) explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.
– June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al Qaeda) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.
– August 1998: Muslim extremists (al Qaeda) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.
– October 2000: Muslim extremists (al Qaeda) blow up the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.
– Sept. 11, 2001: Muslim extremists (al Qaeda) hijack commercial aircraft and fly planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans.
America’s war with Islamic fanaticism didn’t start on 9/11, but it’s going to end with 9/11 — as long as Americans aren’t foolish enough ever to put a Democrat in the White House.
July 27, 2006 - 11:03 AM on July 27th, 2006
and here is a terrific post from the PHilly boards.
Pull your head out of the sand and realize what is happening here. Whomever controls the Middle East controls the oil, which essentially, until we can figure out otherwise, is capable of controlling the entire Global Economy. If we were to let Israel fall by the wayside, democracy would never flourish in the Middle East (even the fucked up kind like Israel has) and Radical Islam (read: Mammoud Amhadinjhad (sp?…obviously)) would run that desert like a fucking dictatorship, holding the world and even his own people hostage in the name of becoming the most powerful man in the world with the ability to inject his truly disturbed form of Islam belief into the rest of the planet. Infidels will be killed…me, you and even the moderate muslims. You’ll pray…fucking PRAY…for the days when the only religious injection you received was a Christmas display at Walmart.
You ignorant shits have no idea what is hinged on the outcome of this dispute and the hundreds that are bound to follow. You think we went into Iraq just for cheap gas, you think we went to Afghanistan just to blow up some fucking mountains…IT’S STRAGTEGIC FUCKERS. I realize that Bush is just too stupid in your eyes to understand anything, but perhaps it’s time you all took a good long and hard look in the mirror, and rather than making empty threats and claims that you hope Israel falls by the wayside, think about the people who don’t live in a cushy fucking apartment in Center City, where you’re allowed to say, live and worship however you want without persecution. You ignorant little bastards don’t even deserve the air you breathe, the air that surrounded the millions that have died before you simply because they were a different religion.
You’re all sickening. The worst part of it all, this anti-Israel sentiment comes hardest from the “progressives”. Enjoy the second coming of the 12th century dipshits.
July 27, 2006 - 11:17 AM on July 27th, 2006
“…as long as Americans aren’t foolish enough ever to put a Democrat in the White House.”
Wasn’t Reagain president for all those attacks in the 80’s?
How does that factor into your reasoning?
July 27, 2006 - 11:26 AM on July 27th, 2006
it’s not my reasoning…and I didnt’ say I agreed with 100% of it, but the article does underscore the fact that we are, have been, and will be AT WAR with islamofacists for some time
won’t you join us?
July 27, 2006 - 11:27 AM on July 27th, 2006
Or is pointing to a detainee’s nutsack more of something that gets your panties in a bunch?
July 27, 2006 - 11:37 AM on July 27th, 2006
Mike, it was a great article and it underscores the fight the civilized world is forced to wage to keep people safe and free. Barring 9/11 the lesson I always refer back to is Clinton shaking hands with Arafat. Immediately after he rejected Israel’s offer the suicide attacks escalated to daily and twice daily occurrences.
Negotiating with terrorists fails and San Fran and every other liberal better wise up to that fact.
July 27, 2006 - 11:45 AM on July 27th, 2006
What terrorists? According to an ever-increasing number of liberals, the only terrorists are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, the US Military, Israel and Christians.
all others are merely poor, oppressed victims.
July 27, 2006 - 11:48 AM on July 27th, 2006
SF, Paul, and every other liberal guest.. I want you to answer this question seriously.
Which of the following solutions do you favour in dealing with North Korea’s increasing nuculer threat?
A: Stategic bombing campaign of North Korean Nuculer and military targets.
B: continued multi-lateral negotiations including Russia, China, Japan and South Korea.
C: UN resolutions.
give me your honest answer.
July 27, 2006 - 11:49 AM on July 27th, 2006
“Annan said the world needs to accept that in every society different groups may hold different views.
“Of course, we need to be careful of the forces at work in Lebanese society as we move forward,” he said.
“But even the Hezbollah ” if I read the message on the placards they are using ” they are talking about non-interference by outsiders … which is not entirely at odds with the Security Council resolution, that there should be withdrawal of Syrian troops,” Annan told reporters.
“But that having been said, we need to recognize that they are a force in society that one will have to factor in as we implement the resolution,” he said.”
Sounds reasonable to me.
July 27, 2006 - 12:01 PM on July 27th, 2006
Is this the same voice of moral authority behind the blood for oil, or was that oil for food? or blood for money?
How anyone who turns a blind eye to his organization’s fraud, corruption, RAPE, etc. can lecture ANYONE is beyond my coprehension.
Listening to this fuck lecture is like Bill Clinton giving a seminar on fidelity.
July 27, 2006 - 12:16 PM on July 27th, 2006
San Fran….Kofi Annan has no credibility. That’s the point. The United Nations refuses to even recognize Israel. That’s why he doesn’t like John Bolton because Bolton refuses to allow any nation to disavow Israel and works to include them.
And whenever you have an institution like the U.N. whose human rights committee has member nations who are committing human rights violations makes said institution suspect.
Or don’t you see that?
July 27, 2006 - 12:27 PM on July 27th, 2006
Amen Bon Bon!
July 27, 2006 - 12:28 PM on July 27th, 2006
BonBon… reality dosen’t matter, it’s the IDEA of the UN that is important!!!
Again, fitting my textbood definition of a liberal. Ignore reality, just espouse viewpoints designed specifically to make the liberal feel good about themselves.
I’m against war!!!
I’m for the poor!!
We should all be equal!!
Save the planet, man!!
woo hoo!!!
July 27, 2006 - 12:41 PM on July 27th, 2006
“The United Nations refuses to even recognize Israel.”
Not true. BonBon, who do you think MADE Israel?
Jesus?
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“And whenever you have an institution like the U.N. whose human rights committee has member nations who are committing human rights violations makes said institution suspect.”
The goal of the instituion, among many, is to be INclusive, not EXclusive.
It’s better to have these nations see the examples of others, than to not invite them to participate at all.
Or, “can’t you see that”??
July 27, 2006 - 12:50 PM on July 27th, 2006
No, San Fran…..you are wrong. The United Nations does NOT recognize Israel. Do a little research. In every meeting, on every map, Israel is EXCLUDED.
The United Nations that once DID recognize Israel is gone; replaced by this hollow shell of an organization. I don’t argue the theory of having a place for nations to go to work out differences is good but this U.N. needs a desperate makeover.
I hope Israel keeps kicking ass.
July 27, 2006 - 12:56 PM on July 27th, 2006
“The United Nations does NOT recognize Israel. Do a little research. In every meeting, on every map, Israel is EXCLUDED.”
That is 100% FALSE. Who is telling you this stuff???
July 27, 2006 - 01:31 PM on July 27th, 2006
The UN is an abomination. period. next.
July 27, 2006 - 02:26 PM on July 27th, 2006
“No, San Fran:..you are wrong. The United Nations does NOT recognize Israel. Do a little research. In every meeting, on every map, Israel is EXCLUDED.”
BonBon, the U.N. loves Israel and fully supports her! Everybody knows it, it is accepted in Academia, everybody says so, that’s just the way it is? Okay? I mean, everyone knows that!
(This is an example of the SFL proof doctrine)
July 27, 2006 - 02:29 PM on July 27th, 2006
“”UN observers made 10 frantic telephone calls to the Israeli military, warning them aerial attacks were getting close to their post, in the hours’
Sounds like they had plenty of time to get out of Dodge, SFL. The fact that they knowingly a) let Hezbollah stick around (a legitimate military target) and b) didn’t fold their tent and GTFO, means that there are two parties at fault:
1. Hezbollah.
2. The U.N. soc called “leadership”
BATTER UP!
July 27, 2006 - 03:08 PM on July 27th, 2006
“…the U.N. loves Israel and fully supports her! Everybody knows it, it is accepted in Academia, everybody says so, that’s just the way it is? Okay? I mean, everyone knows that!”
“(This is an example of the SFL proof doctrine)”
Robert, how’s this for an example of SFL’s proof doctrine?
(Now wait and watch for an example of Roberts Deny-the-Obvious Doctrine)
“The General Assembly voted to admit Israel to UN membership in Resolution 273 (III) on May 11, 1949.”
How’s that for “everybody knows it”, Robert?
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“Sounds like they had plenty of time to get out of Dodge, SFL”
Sounds like Israel f*cked up big time and had to apologise for it too.
Four innocents dead…Robert: “F*ck `em”
Real nice.
July 27, 2006 - 03:09 PM on July 27th, 2006
“The UN is an abomination. period. next.”
Republicans are an abomination. period. next.
July 27, 2006 - 03:26 PM on July 27th, 2006
“”The General Assembly voted to admit Israel to UN membership in Resolution 273 (III) on May 11, 1949.â€
How’s that for “everybody knows itâ€, Robert?”
Of course we all know how Isreal was established. That’s not what we are talking about. But you would pick the closest port in a storm…
The U.N. of 2006 is not the U.N. of 1949. Whatever lofty ideals and ambitions the U.N. had when it was established have substantially been lost in the muck of incompetence and corruption. Everybody knows that!
Sudan on the human rights committee… Oil for food… Crime perpetrated by U.N. peacekeepers… Need I continue?
BATTER UP!
July 27, 2006 - 03:28 PM on July 27th, 2006
It is time to kick the U.N. out of the U.S., reduce the contributions we make to the U.N. by 90%, and keep only a delegation to the U.N.
July 27, 2006 - 03:38 PM on July 27th, 2006
“Of course we all know how Isreal was established. That’s not what we are talking about. But you would pick the closest port in a storm…”
No, Robert, you’re wrong again.
The date I posted was when Israel was admitted as a UN Member, which BonBon said never happened.
YOU are refering to May 14, 1948 – the date the State of Israel was announced according to the UN Partition Plan.
“BATTER UP, Robert!”
July 27, 2006 - 03:43 PM on July 27th, 2006
“The United Nations that once DID recognize Israel is gone; replaced by this hollow shell of an organization. I don’t argue the theory of having a place for nations to go to work out differences is good but this U.N. needs a desperate makeover.”
THAT’s what WE are talking about! Swoosh! IT WENT RIGHT over your head! YOU missed the point. 2x!
Here comes the pitch…ohhh, it’s a 65 MPH “fastball”. Smack! And the crowd goes wild! This one’s bye, bye, baby!
July 27, 2006 - 03:45 PM on July 27th, 2006
“The date I posted was when Israel was admitted as a UN Member, which BonBon said never happened.”
BonBon NEVER said that. Do you have a reading disability? A comprehension disability? ADHD?
BATTER UP!
July 27, 2006 - 04:05 PM on July 27th, 2006
Nice try Robert, but you said in reply to my post about the May 11, 1949 date:
“Regarding Of course we all know how Isreal was established. That’s not what we are talking about.”
You were WRONG, because that wasn’t the date Israel was established.
You were wrong.
You were wrong!
…and you can’t admit it. What kind of man are you?
Batter up, fool!
July 27, 2006 - 04:14 PM on July 27th, 2006
“BonBon NEVER said that.”
Yes, she did. Do YOU “have a learning disability”?
BonBon said: “The United Nations does NOT recognize Israel.”
And That’s why I posted the UN Admission date for Israel.
Sooo…you are BOTH wrong.
(Robert, you’re slipping today! And you’re showing your frustration…)
July 27, 2006 - 04:32 PM on July 27th, 2006
Well, there it is, Right Voices community! Read BonBon’s posts, then YOU be the judge!
July 27, 2006 - 04:34 PM on July 27th, 2006
I didn’t say anything about your 1949 date. WE ALL KNOW that Israel was established by the U.N., ‘mmmkay? YOU ARE NOT EVEN on the same page as the debate!
I URGE you to GET HELP, immediately! For your safety and the safety of others!
July 27, 2006 - 04:37 PM on July 27th, 2006
Would somebody please call Animal Control in San Francisco? We have a rabid humanoid loose in the city that could be a danger to himself and others!
He is delirious, he is irrational, he is becoming aggressive, violent…
July 27, 2006 - 08:36 PM on July 27th, 2006
well San Fran in your response to my post you showed a total lack of understanding of history. You don’t hit someone back hard, your crush them under your boot heel. Yes. you’re right the children aren’t complicit, but their parents are. As long as their parents are too fucking stupid to demand that Hezbollah stop militarizing their neighborhoods in violation of international law, anyone who gets hurt is either complicit or collateral damage. The UN peacekeepers had two options, they could’ve made Hezbollah leave, or as Robert put it GTFO. One of Murphy’s rules of combat is incoming fire has the right of way.
You seem to feel that the way to handle the terrorists is to use the Bil Clinton give them whatever they want and ask them to politely not hurt you again. Sorry but it’s been incredibly well documented that that plan only leads to escalation where as arranging their travel to meet Allah as expeditiously as possible does. Where as Al Zawahiri is encouraging Muslims to make themselves martyrs, General George Patton had a much more effective plan. His comment was that “No poor dumb SOB ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb SOB die for his.”
There is ONLY ONE WAY TO WIN THE WAR AGAINST ISLAMOFASCISTS, kill them. There is no negotiating with them. They have no desire to negotiate for anything other than the time to rearm, retrofit and recruit. Besides, exactly who do you negotiate with anyway? Want to see more terrorist attacks in the US? Don’t fight the war to win, fight it to a draw. If you haven’t heard, Al Zawahiri has called for a world wide Jihad. Guess what? They aren’t going to be sparing the liberals, they’re going to kill them first. They’re easier to kill because they don’t defend themselves until it’s too late and then they have to do it with a spoon because their afraid to own anything more dangerous.
July 27, 2006 - 08:41 PM on July 27th, 2006
BTW Does anyone else know how the old Soviet Union responded when some of their diplomats were taken hostage in Tehran in 1979? They used their intel assets to get the names of the hostage takers and sent a Soviet Spetsnaz team after their families. After the Soviets sent the terrorists a few pictures and fingers, their diplomats were returned unharmed and that was the last time any terrorist grabbed a Soviet citizen until after the fall of the Soviet Union. Of course liberals in this country would never condone such an action and as a result more Americans will die at the hands of terrorists.
July 28, 2006 - 08:53 AM on July 28th, 2006
I won’t be online too much in the next few days but just to clarify San Fran…..I understand Israel became a member in 1948 to the U.N. but they are simply not recognized in the United Nations of today. Much effort is made to keep them apart and to blame them for the missfortunes of the Arab state.
Thanks Robert for the argument. Sorry I had to leave it.
July 28, 2006 - 09:00 AM on July 28th, 2006
You’re welcome BonBon. I understood what you were saying, it was plain as could be. Somebody had to pick up the 2×4 and whack SFL with it because he was for some reason just not getting it.