Another Skewered Poll By CBS/NYT
By: Pam On: Jul/26/06 - 35 Comments
The headline reads: Poll: World Doesn’t Respect Bush
60% In CBS/NY Times Poll Say President Not Respected By Foreign Leaders
Here is the PDF link for the breakdown of the poll. Skip to the bottom of the last page for the demographics:
Total respondents: 1127
Total Republicans: 351 weighted and unweighted
Total Democrats: 390 unweighted and 374 weighted
Total Independents:386 unweighted and 402 weighted
Note there are less Republicans, than Democrats or Independents, polled!
July 26, 2006 - 11:17 PM on July 26th, 2006
Maybe less people are identifying themselves as Republicans…
You know it IS pretty embarrassing!
July 27, 2006 - 03:17 AM on July 27th, 2006
A poll by See B.S. and the New York Slimes. Hmmm.
July 27, 2006 - 06:18 AM on July 27th, 2006
What is the ratio of Dems, Rep, and Ind in the general population? Are each proportionately represented in the poll? There’s more to polling than just an “even” split.
July 27, 2006 - 06:20 AM on July 27th, 2006
All polls have just become fantasy. Statistics are easy enough to manipulate and people are too dumb to think critically about what they’re reading nowadays. I believe it was Mark Twain who said there are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies, and statistics.
July 27, 2006 - 07:08 AM on July 27th, 2006
Who gives a F?
the only poll that matters is taken the first tuesday in November… and we “embarrassed” republicans seem to do pretty well in that one, even with Union goon squads, rampant fraud, kool and malt liquor payoffs and every other democrat tactic in the book.
July 27, 2006 - 07:14 AM on July 27th, 2006
Can you even trust a poll taken by cBS News and the New York Sewer? these are both lying dirty reptiles:razz:
July 27, 2006 - 07:37 AM on July 27th, 2006
Yeah but you know what I’ve heard in the halls of liberal lunacy. That there is still some question whether or not the 2004 election was right. Too many districts, too much fraud. Whatever excuse they can muster up. They can’t seem to absorb the fact that republicans can and do score a run and actually get elected. Bush won. Period.
July 27, 2006 - 07:58 AM on July 27th, 2006
3- No there isn’t more to a poll than an even split Paul. This is yet another example in a long list of how the polls are set up to persuade public opinion!
July 27, 2006 - 08:27 AM on July 27th, 2006
There are still lunatics out there who are convinced that Gore won in 2000, and that Bush won in 2004 because of manipulated electronic voting machines (Ohio) and the “disenfranchisement of minorities” (Florida).
It doesn’t matter what the facts are. These nutballs have their minds made up.
July 27, 2006 - 08:30 AM on July 27th, 2006
I agree Robert and I have heard quite a bit of denial here. Every excuse in the book has been used until I am absolutely sick of it. Can’t they get it through their heads that SOMETIMES we win and when we lose, EVERYONE loses (i.e., Clintons administration)
July 27, 2006 - 08:36 AM on July 27th, 2006
#8: Polls are so easy to manipulate it’s laughable. I recall during the Klinton presidency I got called by a pollster, right after the Lewinsky scandal broke. The first question was “Do you think that the current situation has reduced your confidence in the President to do his job?”. I responded “I didn’t have any confidence in him anyway”. The pollster said “So that’s a no then?” I replied “Not exactly. I didn’t have any anyway.” He said “Well then that’s a no”. I said “not really, because a simple no answer does not accurately reflect my statement”.
After going back and forth for several minutes on this he hung up. See how easy it is to manipulate polling? I can just imagine how many people answered like I did and it was glibly recorded and reported that “the majority of those polled said their confidence in Klinton has not been diminished” when the reality was quite different.
IMO, these push polls results can be used for toilet paper. Nothing more.
July 27, 2006 - 09:06 AM on July 27th, 2006
Do Faux News’ polls split evenly between Dems, Rep, and Ind? I don’t know, but would doubt it. If I’m right, it’s another case of “fair and balanced” bias.
Mike, if polls don’t matter, why does the Right Wing invest so much in polling?
July 27, 2006 - 09:09 AM on July 27th, 2006
9. “These nutballs have their minds made up.” — look in the mirror, Robert. Out of the mouths of babes …
July 27, 2006 - 09:13 AM on July 27th, 2006
because, the sheeplike american people have been conditioned to think that they actually mean something…. so, if that’s the environment, they have to follow suite.
don’t forget, the sheep also once voted walter cronkite the “most trusted man in america”…….if that dosen’t scare the living shit out of you, nothing should.
Trusted? Because you read from a fucking teleprompter?
my god.
July 27, 2006 - 09:14 AM on July 27th, 2006
12- Paul are you grasping the fact that in order for a poll to be somewhat reliable, there needs to be equal representation? Now add to that, the percentage of independents(as the pollsters have claimed them to be) has grown over the past year in their polling…
I look at polls and shrug to be honest. In college, I worked for a polling company…we got high before the shift and made stuff up as we went along..not something to be proud of, but it is an example of what goes on.
July 27, 2006 - 09:16 AM on July 27th, 2006
14-Mike I am not sure that anyone ever voted or was polled on that. I think it was a case of self annointed ego..The most trusted? Please..we only had 3 choices for our news!
July 27, 2006 - 09:22 AM on July 27th, 2006
Peejz…..you got high????:shock:
July 27, 2006 - 09:31 AM on July 27th, 2006
July 27, 2006 - 09:32 AM on July 27th, 2006
Hey, folks, I fully realize that polls can be swayed … either way. And, Mike, there are sheeple on both sides of the aisle. Those who would vote Rep or Dem just because they vote Rep or Dem no matter what. What amzes me are those (and it appears to be more conservatives) who vote a certain way ot believe a certain thing because they are TOLD so. Cases in point: Sunday sermon – a vote for Kerry is a sin and will damn you to hell; don’t frequent Hooters – it’s a sin.
July 27, 2006 - 09:32 AM on July 27th, 2006
18. I bet you inhaled!
July 27, 2006 - 09:34 AM on July 27th, 2006
“9. “These nutballs have their minds made up.”" look in the mirror, Robert. Out of the mouths of babes :”
Hit and run, eh? You’ve posted some Moonbat nonsense here, as I recall.
July 27, 2006 - 09:37 AM on July 27th, 2006
Peejz….I was kidding with you. Youth as we all know makes us do funny things. You were not alone
Paul….I disagree. I think alot of people might go to Sunday sermon, listen to what’s said, and do what their heart tells them. I don’t believe for a minute that people are led so easily.
What I do believe is that there are politicians who talk such a good talk that people actually believe them. Hillary comes to mind. She is on everyone’s side but for that reason alone I wouldn’t trust her. Take someone who hasn’t heard all her speeches though and she wins their vote. Get what I’m saying?
July 27, 2006 - 09:38 AM on July 27th, 2006
21. Moonbat? never. I posted what I believe. Remember, we all have a right to that. Oh, now I remember, many of you don’t believe an opposing opinion is a right. It’s wrong because it’s not what you think. Why do you hate America, and the liberties we have here?
July 27, 2006 - 09:40 AM on July 27th, 2006
Paul,
Yes, much like when Algore or John Kohn went to black churches (seperation of church and state, anyone?) and told the slaves that if they didn’t vote for the dumbocrat, there would be lynching, church burnings, and the re-instatement of Jim Crow.
it cuts both ways, my friend.
Peejz, yes there was a poll taken, I believe in 1972, and Cronkite was ABSOLUTELY voted as the most trusted man in america…. this is a thought that wakes me in the middle of the night, sweating.. that I live in a country where people can be so easily fooled into “trusting” a fucking talking head…..
then again, only 1 in 5 americans have an Bachelor’s Degree, only about 5% a graduate degree……so, basically, 80% of the population is walking around out there without the tools to critically examine media manipulation, without the ability to examine issues across different disciplines and perspectives, without any historical context for unfolding events…..and it shows, that poll is a glaring example.
July 27, 2006 - 09:41 AM on July 27th, 2006
Paul, you’re talking with people here who just don’t understand the science of statistics and sampling.
Anti-science people like the RightVoices crew can’t be talked out of their ignorance.
But it makes for good entertainment.
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BonBon – everybody gets or has got high. If it’s not alcohol, it’s pills or grass.
what, you don’t drink or smoke?!?
July 27, 2006 - 09:41 AM on July 27th, 2006
22. Yes, I get what you’re saying, but don’t fully agree. I’ll let you in on a secret. I don’t care for Hillary … we can do better. As to the sermon allegiance, it’s strong here and many folks will live and die on what the “preacher man’ says.
July 27, 2006 - 09:50 AM on July 27th, 2006
24. Mike, have you ever really stopped to read your inflammatory rhetoric? Kohn? Dumbocrat? Algore? And, yes, I know why you use those phrases. You are your own personal “swift boating” regime. Any pearls you may share get lost in the midst of the name calling.
July 27, 2006 - 09:57 AM on July 27th, 2006
Paul, you’re talking with people here who just don’t understand the science of statistics and sampling.
SFL I’m glad you’ve finally come to admit your shortcoming. Seriously how can you be so arrogant? I happen to know quite a bit about statistics, and the way most media polls, and worse yet internet polls, are run are atrocitious. Misleading questions, poor samples, poorly analyzed, self sampling polls, the list just goes on and on. They are far from scientific, but hey it’s big money. I would personally like to see all political polls bannned during elections because BOTH sides misuse them so ridiculusly that they are meaningless.
July 27, 2006 - 10:00 AM on July 27th, 2006
Ok, I’ll give you dumbocrat.
but I don’t see why calling John Kohn by his family’s real name is “inflammatory rhetoric”?
I mean, even if he kept his family name, “Kohn”, he would still have the initials that he so desired…. JFK.
I do that, just to point out the outrageous phony that he was… “I don’t own an SUV” “I was in Cambodia” “those weren’t MY medals thrown over the white house fence” “I voted for the war before voting against it”
it’s really not swiftboating to point out the outrageous lies this guy uttered.
anyway, any pearls in particular?
July 27, 2006 - 10:14 AM on July 27th, 2006
24-:shock: I’ll be damned!
July 27, 2006 - 11:37 AM on July 27th, 2006
“I happen to know quite a bit about statistics, and the way most media polls, and worse yet internet polls, are run are atrocitious”
Drake, if you really knew “quite a bit” about the science of statistics and sampling, you wouldn’t be knocking it. Did you study statistics extensivly in college? No? Just one class?
Of course internet polls are unreliable, they aren’t scientific. (!) There is a big difference between those kinds of polls and the scientific ones.
Honestly, your team is only knocking polls because they’ve not reflecting what you believe to be true.
And in cases where they DO line up with what you believe, all of a sudden you trust them again.
Take for example the topic Peejz posted about the “Latest Harris Poll”.
July 27, 2006 - 11:43 AM on July 27th, 2006
SF, I ALWAYS knock polls…regardless of what they say.
July 27, 2006 - 03:36 PM on July 27th, 2006
“Paul, you’re talking with people here who just don’t understand the science of statistics and sampling.
Anti-science people like the RightVoices crew can’t be talked out of their ignorance.
But it makes for good entertainment.”
And this from the poster who never responded to the science I posted about Global Warming that showed the human contribution to CO2 generation was a small fraction, that CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas anyway, and that the effects on the Global Warming trend contributed by the greenhouse effect are unknown!
SFL responded by saying that everybody knows it, all the scientists agree, blah, blah. I post real information, and SFL posts rhetoric and opinion.
What do you know about science, SFL? Do you have a degree in a science (political science doesn’t count)? Engineering? Having seen “An Inconvenient Truth” is not a qualification, btw.
July 27, 2006 - 03:57 PM on July 27th, 2006
See the “Another Ice Age” topic. I just posted an excerpt from NASA that shoots down Al Gore’s travelling Global Warming Religious Revival and Faith Healing Travelling Road Show and puts the lie to his stupid movie.
Read it and weep, Gorebots.
SFL you wanted science? There it is.
August 1, 2006 - 12:41 PM on August 1st, 2006
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