A Consensus on Lebanon
Even for the Lebanese, there should be no question Israelis are the good guys.
The Israeli government is probably the only government that drops leaflets warning civilians to evacuate before bombing. She is taking every precaution possible not to kill civilians. She intends only to target Hezbollah. This is not an easy task considering Hezbollah is using civilians as human shields by shooting missiles from their homes. Israel’s goal is survival, peace, and freedom. Unlike many Islamic extremists, Israel is not seeking to expand her territory, kill those with differing religious beliefs, or oppress those who are not like-minded. By contrast, Hezbollah admits that if the U.S. intervenes, it will “welcome World War III.” Hezbollah is not taking precautions to avoid the murder of innocent women and children. To say they are careless is an understatement. Indeed, they are targeting civilians and rejoicing in their deaths.
Michelle has this copy of the leaflet, and asks the question; “When do terrorists warn civilians?”
August 1, 2006 - 09:45 AM on August 1st, 2006
So dropping leaflets before Israel bombs innocent civilians somehow makes them better than Hezbollah who bombs innocent civilians without warning?
Isn’t the end result the same…a dead innocent civilian?
Just because you tell people to evacuate, it doesn’t mean that they actually can.
August 1, 2006 - 09:46 AM on August 1st, 2006
“Even for the Lebanese, there should be no question Israelis are the good guys.”
Is that a joke?
August 1, 2006 - 09:48 AM on August 1st, 2006
1 & 2- no it isn’t a joke. Israel isn’t targeting civilians. Hezbollah is hiding among them. Hezbollah is responsible for the death of the civilians.
August 1, 2006 - 10:07 AM on August 1st, 2006
“Hezbollah is responsible for the death of the civilians.”
Uhh, nooooo…Israeli BOMBS are responsible for the death of the civilians.
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“…no it isn’t a joke.”
Well, I bet it sure would sound funny to the tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians cowering in fear inside underground bunkers and shelters.
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“Hezbollah is hiding among them.”
So, Israel should adjust it’s tactics so that innocents are not involved.
August 1, 2006 - 10:22 AM on August 1st, 2006
no, Israel should do whatever it takes to defend itself against the muslim animals of Hezbollah, and if they are hiding among lebanese civilians, I pity the civilians as they will become casualties of war.
Better a few hundred civilians now that MILLIONS later.
did you learn nothing form Hiroshima, SF? Or, would you not have done that either, and instead allowed MILLIONS of US AND Japanese to die?
casualties are a part of war… you want to save civilians? Ask your brave buddies, Hezbollah, to come out and fight like fucking soldiers, and not pussies.
August 1, 2006 - 10:24 AM on August 1st, 2006
but I forgot, Brave muslims NEVER fight like men.. they plant little roadside bombs and hide, they strap suicided jackets to women and schoolchildren..they hide in fucking caves and behind mosques.
keep lobbing bombs, Israel..
August 1, 2006 - 10:24 AM on August 1st, 2006
SFLiberal–like i said in previous posts, and it just gets proved over and over again, Israel is an innocent angel… How can she do anything wrong?
August 1, 2006 - 10:54 AM on August 1st, 2006
Mike, it’s a bit pretentious for you to be so dead set against these “tactics” of Hezbollah and your desire to see them come and fight like “f***ing soldiers”. The American revolution was won by soldiers who fought in civilian clothing, hid among civilians, and used the element of surprise/ambush. From what I understand from your position is that Hezbollah must abide by the rules of war (I assume Geneva Convention???), is that correct?
August 1, 2006 - 11:10 AM on August 1st, 2006
“The American revolution was won by soldiers who fought in civilian clothing, hid among civilians, and used the element of surprise/ambush.”
Gosh, the things you learn here! I always thought that the Continental Army fought the British in the revolution. George Washington was the commander of that army, and they had these very contemporary uniforms that were blue and white, and those funny-looking three-cornered hats. I’ve seen paintings of that, but I guess that was all wrong. Just fanciful artistic license, I suppose.
I’ve read of these famous battles where the armies opposed each other on the battlefield, were organized and had artillery and everything. Never realized that was all fake, never happened, and the Continental army was actually a guerrilla hit-and-run force that didn’t have uniforms and hid among civilians. Of course they didn’t have the IED technology available now or the Continental guerrillas would certainly have used them, and the explosive technology didn’t exist to strap black powder bombs to volunteers or that would have been employed too no doubt.
Perhaps when Washington crossed the Delaware, he was actually just moving a small guerrilla unit to a better position of advantage, where they could hide amongst innocent civilians to ambush the British regulars?
Gosh, the things you learn! The history books, the paintings, the contemporary writings, were WRONG!
Thanks for the education, Eddy!
August 1, 2006 - 11:39 AM on August 1st, 2006
Eddy is of that school of thought, that…no matter what dastardly, cowardly, or other low down act has been committed, America has done WORSE!!
Right, Eddy? Isn’t that where you are going with your smarmy little geneva conventions quip? Your the kind of asshole that has no problem with muslim animals beheading people, burning people alive, blowing up 8 year old israeli schoolchildren on buses..
but…oh the horror!!! If some young, dumb and full of cum, American soldier, stationed in a fucking war zone military prison, points at some would-be jihadist, baby-killer’s ball sack……oh god!!!!!!! THEN your panties get in a bunch.
we have a name for you people…Eddy, SF, Michael Moore, etc…….BLAME AMERICA FIRST.
and we’d rather you just left.
August 1, 2006 - 11:50 AM on August 1st, 2006
Robert,
Loved your post! But don’t go spouting your racist, xenophobic, homophobic, sexist, white-protestant-male version of history here!
those revolutionary “generals” of whom you speak were nothing more than evil, slave-owning racists! Don’t you dare glorify those men.
Those “heroes” are an embarrassment to the real american heros, like Martin Luther King, Jr. (well, I’ll use his LEGAL name), I mean Michael King!
Did George washington ever plagiarize his Doctoral Thesis or speeches? (let alone his most famous one)… I think not!
Was Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc. a raging adulterer?…HA! I think not!
Were any of these so-called “founding fathers” members of communist organizations? HA! wrong again!
heros…surely you jest! they weren’t even BLACK!!!!!!
August 1, 2006 - 11:51 AM on August 1st, 2006
Robert, many Revolutionary-era militia did not wear uniforms and fought with irregular tactics.
Look it up. (!)
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How else does an inferior military go up against an army that is better trained and better equipped?
I’m really surprised that the two “military” guys here don’t get it.
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“SFLiberal–like i said in previous posts, and it just gets proved over and over again, Israel is an innocent angel: How can she do anything wrong?”
Yeah. Same thing for the United States with these people. To them, it’s “My country, right or wrong”.
August 1, 2006 - 11:53 AM on August 1st, 2006
“Your the kind of asshole that has no problem with muslim animals beheading people, burning people alive, blowing up 8 year old israeli schoolchildren on buses…”
Oh come on, Mike…That’s stupid and you know it.
August 1, 2006 - 11:57 AM on August 1st, 2006
Hey guys, Asshole here–never intended that Americans didn’t fight like you see in those paintings (that did happen), but (FYI) Americans also did hide among civilians, wear civilian clothes, and ambushed British soldiers.
With the Geneva Convention comment, I was just trying to figure out what rules you want Hezbollah to follow? You are critical (i know that is an understatement) of how they fight. If you want them to fight like “real F***ing soldiers” do you mean that they wear uniforms and not hide among civilians? I’m pretty sure those “rules” were outlined in the Geneva Convention.
Not sure why you characterize me so awefully. It sounds like there is no discussion allowed, no questions can be raised, and no points to be made other than the one you subscribe to.
Oh and finally, for your information when you say, “Your the kind of asshole that has no problem with muslim animals beheading people, burning people alive, blowing up 8 year old israeli schoolchildren on buses…” I suppose the only thing I can say is “That’s not true”
PS Sorry if I’m a little more diplomatic than you in my posting! I’m learning how to be a true asshole!
August 1, 2006 - 12:05 PM on August 1st, 2006
“Not sure why you characterize me so awefully. It sounds like there is no discussion allowed, no questions can be raised, and no points to be made other than the one you subscribe to.”
They do it to everyone who dares to have an opinion that differs from theirs.
They have temper tantrums, call you names, try to associate you with terrorists…but it’s fairly entertaining to watch supposedly grown men (and some women) vomit baseless, hilarious invective our way.
August 1, 2006 - 12:05 PM on August 1st, 2006
well, Eddy, you are well on your way.
There is discussion allowed, your is just ignorant.
You somehow want to compare fucking terrorist, baby-killing, marauding, TRUE HOMOPHOBIC, SEXIST, MYSOGYNISTS, to the Revolutionary generals and soldiers….. are you on crack?
First of all, the Revolutionary army was fighting for independence from a COLONIAL POWER.
Muslim animals are fighting civilization itself.
the Revolutionary army wore uniforms, muslim animals put bombs under women’s lovely Burqa’s and send them into the cafe full of jews.
The revolutionary army took hostages, fed and cared for them and returned them at the end of hostilities…muslim animals behead female aid workers.
you want to tell me again, oh wise Eddy, how the American revolution and terrorists…oh, sorry, I mean “insurgents” are similar?
August 1, 2006 - 12:07 PM on August 1st, 2006
but hey, I’m sure you “support the troops” too, right?
It’s unbelievable to me, how you people defend these animals, while claiming to support our troops, or love america, etc… because, in Hezbollah’s ideal world, SF, Eddy, you don’t exist.
August 1, 2006 - 12:09 PM on August 1st, 2006
Thanks SF for the enlightenment (sp?)… I’m still trying to figure out how I ended up talking about “true homophobic, sexist, mysogynists”…
… Sometimes I wonder why I’m still a Republican
August 1, 2006 - 12:11 PM on August 1st, 2006
Eddy, you know full well how you ended up there…by trying to compare muslim animal cowards to revolutionary soldiers.
Understand yet?
August 1, 2006 - 12:14 PM on August 1st, 2006
Eddy, even the perpetrators of the most vicious, sadistic, and heinous acts of the 20th century, the Japanese invaders and occupiers of China, did so with more honour than those pussy coward “Mujahedeen”
Your defense of these pigs is quite frankly, disgusting.
August 1, 2006 - 12:18 PM on August 1st, 2006
Posted by SFL #15: “They do it to everyone who dares to have an opinion that differs from theirs.
They have temper tantrums, call you names, try to associate you with terrorists:but it’s fairly entertaining to watch supposedly grown men (and some women) vomit baseless, hilarious invective our way. “
Posted by SFL on the “Another Ice Age?” Topic: How would you know, you haven’t even seen the movie you are bashing, you ignorant f*ck!
August 1, 2006 - 12:19 PM on August 1st, 2006
When you defend the indefensible, for whatever reason, expect a pounding.
August 1, 2006 - 12:25 PM on August 1st, 2006
“Robert, many Revolutionary-era militia did not wear uniforms and fought with irregular tactics.
Look it up. (!)”
SFL, of course I know that such activity existed. However, Eddy stated that the war was won with such tactics. It was not. While such harassment of the British was a factor, the war was won by uniformed, conventional forces employing conventional tactics. The British generals did not surrender to guerrilla forces.
August 1, 2006 - 12:37 PM on August 1st, 2006
What even motivates Eddy, or SF, or whoever to MAKE such a comparison in the first place??? Where does this come from?
WTF????
August 1, 2006 - 12:41 PM on August 1st, 2006
“Posted by SFL on the “Another Ice Age?”Topic: How would you know, you haven’t even seen the movie you are bashing, you ignorant f*ck!”
Well…did you go see the movie yet?
No? Then you’re STILL ignorant f*ck.
Can you not see how making fun of a movie you haven’t seen is the height of stupidity?
August 1, 2006 - 12:48 PM on August 1st, 2006
“The British generals did not surrender to guerrilla forces.”
But the contributions of the militia, many of which did not wear uniforms or employ traditional tactics, contributed to the American victory, among other things…
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“What even motivates Eddy, or SF, or whoever to MAKE such a comparison in the first place???”
There ARE some comparisons…
1. up against superior force and firepower
2. fighting against occupation
3. employing irregular tactics, guerilla-style ambushes
4. fighting for ideology…
August 1, 2006 - 01:15 PM on August 1st, 2006
1. really? Superior to “Allah”?????
2. oh, we are occupiers now… of what? Bali Nightclubs? Tel Aviv Buses?
3. they imploy ONLY guerilla style tactics because they HAVE NO COURAGE.
4. really? freedom is the same as sick religious imposition?
you will go to any lengths to defend animals while denigrating your own country.
sick.
August 1, 2006 - 01:54 PM on August 1st, 2006
“But the contributions of the militia, many of which did not wear uniforms or employ traditional tactics, contributed to the American victory, among other things:”
You repeat what I said, as though you are bringing some illuminating point or comeback?
“Well
id you go see the movie yet?
No? Then you’re STILL ignorant f*ck.”
And it is you who repeatedly whines about ad hominem and invective. You are your own worst opponent when it comes to debating in this venue.
August 1, 2006 - 01:55 PM on August 1st, 2006
Mike, I can’t help but be constantly reminded of the Liberalism and mental illness connection. It may be the only way to explain their positions.
August 1, 2006 - 02:01 PM on August 1st, 2006
It is astounding what is happening around the world, but even more astounding what the Left is doing in this country. I can conclude only that the American Left:
1. Supports terrorism, including against America.
2. Wants to prevent our LE agencies from doing their jobs and stopping terrorist attacks in America.
3. Wants the U.S. military to lose the war on terror.
4. Blames America for everything bad that happens anywhere in the world, no matter how absurd and tenuous the linkage.
5. Supports every degeneracy, every attack on traditional America.
The way of the American Left is the way of degeneracy, treason, and cultural and national suicide. I think suicide kits should be issued to every Leftist. If they want to commit suicide, let them take the lead and do so. But I am not prepared to let them make America commit cultural and national suicide.
August 1, 2006 - 02:08 PM on August 1st, 2006
neither are most americans, as we elected president Bush..twice, and continute putting republicans in control of congress, etc.
we used to be the silent majority..they are now the WAY TOO LOUD minority.
August 1, 2006 - 02:27 PM on August 1st, 2006
“you will go to any lengths to defend animals while denigrating your own country.”
No, not “defending” or “denigrating” anyone…and certainly not defending violence from either side.
Criticizing Israel is not the same as supporting Hezbollah. You need to accept this, Mike. (!)
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“The way of the American Left is the way of degeneracy, treason, and cultural and national suicide. I think suicide kits should be issued to every Leftist. If they want to commit suicide, let them take the lead and do so. But I am not prepared to let them make America commit cultural and national suicide.”
Robert, you don’t have the slightest clue just how stupid that sounds do you?
I mean, you don’t really believe that shit, do you??
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“You repeat what I said, as though you are bringing some illuminating point or comeback?”
No Robert, you said “the war was won by uniformed, conventional forces employing conventional tactics.”
I said: “contributions of the militia, many of which did not wear uniforms or employ traditional tactics, contributed to the American victory, among other things…”
No you tell me how was I repeating what you said?
Robert, your reading comprehension hasn’t diminished as badly as your reasoning skills, have they?!?
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“And it is you who repeatedly whines about ad hominem and invective…”
I’m just trying to speak your language….:wink:
August 1, 2006 - 02:41 PM on August 1st, 2006
“…as we elected president Bush..twice, and continute putting republicans in control of congress, etc.”
And you’re proud of this?!?
No, but really…the presidents approval rating is in the 30’s, and has been since last year…and congressional approval is even lower.
Do you even watch the news anymore? I mean, real news - not that biased crap you read online.
no? well…
Newsflash: Democrats are poised to take control of the House. Elected Republicans are on the defensive over the Iraq War and a stigma of corruption.
Even if the Dems can’t gain control of the House, they will still pick up seats - not lose them.
It’s just not “happening” for your team anymore. This isn’t 2002 or 2004 (!)
August 1, 2006 - 02:57 PM on August 1st, 2006
Here’s a great campaign 2006 slogan that I’ll contribute to the Democrites. I think it sums up in two concise words their purpose, their intentions, their orientation, and their desires:
Allah Akhbar!
The new rallying cry of the Amerikan Left.
August 1, 2006 - 03:02 PM on August 1st, 2006
“No you tell me how was I repeating what you said?”
SFL, I said: “SFL, of course I know that such activity existed.” Referring of course to Eddy’s description of the non-uniformed activities.
I guess that reference was too complicated, too obtuse, not plain enough for you to understand. I assumed you would get it, but perhaps I assumed too much.
In other words, I acknowledged the part played by those activities. But my real point is that the fellows in those blue and white uniforms, and three-sided hats, won the war. Without an organized, conventional army, the revolution would not have been won.
Is that clear enough? Plain enough, even for you?
August 1, 2006 - 03:37 PM on August 1st, 2006
Robert: read slowly for comprehension…
I said: “contributions of the militia, many of which did not wear uniforms or employ traditional tactics, contributed to the American victory, among other things:â€
NOW do you get?
Wow, you’re slow today! Must be off your meds. You don’t seem as “sharp” as you could be…
August 1, 2006 - 03:46 PM on August 1st, 2006
Here’s a great campaign 2006 slogan that I’ll contribute to the Republicans. I think it sums up in one concise word their purpose, their intentions, their orientation, and their desires:
“Duuuuhhhhhhh”
The new rallying cry of the American Right.
August 1, 2006 - 03:49 PM on August 1st, 2006
“Without an organized, conventional army, the revolution would not have been won.”
…And without irregular tactics, and a non-uniformed militia, the revolution might not have got off the ground.
August 1, 2006 - 03:57 PM on August 1st, 2006
re post 37: once again, unable to muster sufficient creativity to compose his own characterizations of the opposition, SF Liberal resorts to copying and imitation.
Re: post 36: “Must be off your meds.”
Same comment.
Another usage of the “Pee Wee Herman” comeback (I know you are—but what am I? Heh heh!).
Any port in a storm…
August 1, 2006 - 04:29 PM on August 1st, 2006
“SF Liberal resorts to copying and imitation.”
I know your comprehension skills are pretty weak Robert, but even you should be able to recognize satire when you see it. (!)
I guess I give you too much credit…
August 1, 2006 - 04:50 PM on August 1st, 2006
SFL, I also think there is a fundamental definition of terrorism, root causes of terrorism, and whether the US is capable of evil as well…
August 1, 2006 - 04:52 PM on August 1st, 2006
one more thing, this whole post is based on a leaflet in arabic, showing how great and kind Israel is… I would love it if one of the Israel sympathizers could quickly translate it to the rest of us to really prove to us how sympathetic Israel is… (also, how many leaflets were dropped? and where were they dropped?)
August 1, 2006 - 05:24 PM on August 1st, 2006
“I know your comprehension skills are pretty weak Robert, but even you should be able to recognize satire when you see it. (!)
I guess I give you too much credit: ”
Weak, weak…0/10.
August 1, 2006 - 05:51 PM on August 1st, 2006
Well, you didn’t recognize simple satire, Robert.
What am I supposed to think of your comprehension skills if you can’t see something that basic and simple?
seriously. (!)
“0/10″
Robert…why do you constantly use sports references? Do you think this is a game? That we are “competing” or something?
Why don’t you grow up and act your age? Aren’t you 40+ years old?!?!? And you act like THAT??
Still live with mom?
shame.
August 1, 2006 - 05:53 PM on August 1st, 2006
“SFL, I also think there is a fundamental definition of terrorism, root causes of terrorism, and whether the US is capable of evil as well…”
I agree. But good luck trying to get an adult conversation out of some of the posters here. They’re more interested in insults than in discussion.
August 1, 2006 - 06:27 PM on August 1st, 2006
14-Eddy I will tell you again and San Fran you read this as well..I told you last night Eddy that your opinion is welcome here, just be prepared to be attacked unless you can back it up. As it stands you have yet to cite an article to back up what you say. You told us you could overwhelm us with your facts and you have yet to provide any…
August 1, 2006 - 08:58 PM on August 1st, 2006
Right Peejz… whatever… because you don’t reserve the same judgement toward those who hold your position… Did you ask Mike Kilo where he gets this statement in #6 when he said, “but I forgot, Brave muslims NEVER fight like men….” The word NEVER requires evidence, doesn’t it? (and of course, you were silent during his rants and baseless accusations)
Anyway, for those who want to know more about the fact that men who fought in the revolutionary war also wore civilian clothing, check out: http://www2.powercom.net/~rokats/contarmy.html
August 1, 2006 - 09:54 PM on August 1st, 2006
Let’s look at this logically and critically shall we?
Israel was attacked. Its territory was invaded, its soldiers killed and kidnapped…. Is there any dispute over that fact?
Hezbollah terrorists specifically target civilians without warning. Is there any argument about that fact?
Hezbollah hides its weapons in civilian areas and fire them therefrom with no regard for the impact the return fire will cause nor the impact that their rockets will cause on the civilians that they are targeting. Are there any disputes over that fact?
Israel targets Hezbollah and their weapons. They warn the civilians in the area to vacate the area in order to minimize civilian casualties. Is there any dispute over those facts?
Now for the big question. If the Israelis are responsible for the deaths of the Lebanese who were supporting Hezbollah or are the people who were helping the terrorists responsible for their own deaths? Now this question is a logic trap. Because if the Israelis are responsible for the deaths of the Lebanese, then Hezbollah has to be held responsible for the deaths of the Israelis, Americans, Argentines, etc etc etc that they have murdered throughout the years. Including the Navy diver who was beaten to death and dumped out the forward door on a TWA flight. Hezbollah and its sponsor Iran has gotten away with international terrorism for decades. They’ve been a known source of international terrorism since the 70s.
August 1, 2006 - 10:07 PM on August 1st, 2006
FACT: Hezbollah was not formed until late 1982/early 1983. It was formed initially (I’m sure the reason of existence has changed since then) as a response to the Israeli presence in Lebanon. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah.
FrmrArtyOffcr, can you please let us know how “they’ve been a known source of international terrorism since the 70s”?
In addition, while most of your facts are correct, I would say that the following is more subjective/interpretation:
“… with no regard for the impact the return fire will cause…”
Also, regarding the Israeli warning to civilians to vacate, I’m still waiting for one of you to translate that leaflet for the rest of us as well as to confirm the number of flyers dropped and the areas those flyers were dropped.
So ArtyOfficer, some of your facts are correct, some of your facts are totally incorrect and some of your “facts” are actually interpretive…
August 1, 2006 - 10:45 PM on August 1st, 2006
“Also, regarding the Israeli warning to civilians to vacate, I’m still waiting for one of you to translate that leaflet for the rest of us as well as to confirm the number of flyers dropped and the areas those flyers were dropped.”
Please. What do you think the flyers said? Free coffee and donuts when the Israelis come to town?
August 2, 2006 - 08:35 AM on August 2nd, 2006
Following the line of thought of this post, I suppose the Israelis should see that perhaps Hezbollah ain’t all that bad. That Hezbollah is actually the good guys too, huh. Yeah, the Israelis supposedly drop flyers that supposedly tell people get away cause we’re gonna bomb you, but if you think about it, every Israeli knows what Hezbollah’s “raison d’etre” is–that is the destruction of Israel. On that note, both sides have been warned of the other’s intentions. If you believe that Lebanese should heed Israel’s warnings and get out, then Israelis could heed Hezbollah’s warnings and get out too.
August 2, 2006 - 08:43 AM on August 2nd, 2006
They’ll never understand your argument Eddy because they lack the intellectual capacity to see the big picture. It’s like with global warming. They just don’t understand the issues, so they pretend it doesn’t exist. Other intellectuals have patiently tried to explain it to them here, but they are unable to comprehend it. Only you, me, and the San Francisco Liberal understand. We are like Nostradamus.
August 2, 2006 - 08:47 AM on August 2nd, 2006
Leftist, any credibility you may have had just disintegrated when you said, “We are like Nostradamus.” I think even SF will get a kick out of that!
August 2, 2006 - 10:03 AM on August 2nd, 2006
OK, I obviously didn’t pay close enough attention to his comments to realize it’s not serious.
ops:
August 2, 2006 - 11:16 AM on August 2nd, 2006
“OK, I obviously didn’t pay close enough attention to his comments to realize it’s not serious.”
I was thinking that maybe someone should, as a joke, make comments under the name “Rightist” and present violent, racist, aggressive and obnoxious opinions.
But then I thought…there isn’t a need for that kind of jokester opinions, it’s already here coming from “real” posters.
August 2, 2006 - 11:36 AM on August 2nd, 2006
SFL, do you have a blog?
August 2, 2006 - 12:23 PM on August 2nd, 2006
no
August 2, 2006 - 01:24 PM on August 2nd, 2006
“But then I thought:there isn’t a need for that kind of jokester opinions, it’s already here coming from “real”posters.”
Well at least you are forthcoming about the nature of your posts. I laugh at many of them. Some are just painful though, like your inability to distinguish between intentional targeting of civilians and collateral damage.
August 2, 2006 - 02:10 PM on August 2nd, 2006
Well at least you are forthcoming about the nature of your posts.
You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills, Robert…
I laugh at many of them.
And you don’t think I laugh at yours?
Some are just painful though, like your inability to distinguish between intentional targeting of civilians and collateral damage.
Of course I understand the difference in terms, but the fact remains that the end result of either one is a dead civilian.
Killing innocents is fundamentally wrong no matter if it’s done intentionally or not.
And saying “oh well, that’s what happens in war” only insures that it will happen again.
get off the cycle of violence…
August 2, 2006 - 03:42 PM on August 2nd, 2006
You really are wasting your time trying to enlighten these neocons, San Francisco Liberal. They show no signs of understanding the big picture, and probably never will.
I think they are just angry and jealous, because the Left has taken the lead on working toward ending the violence. They know that they have no future in postwar society, they will no longer control all the wealth and means of production. There will be no more lucrative industrial-military comnplex controlled by them. They won’t be able to promote wars of adventure for profit. They hate leaders like Ted Kennedy and Jack Murtha because they know Kennedy and Murtha will probably hold positions of prominence in the new Islamic States. While they will be scorned and relegated to peonage.
Theyre so xenophobic they dread the new regimes and their culture. I think turbans are kinda cool, I could get used to one. And when fashion designers tune up the burka, it’ll be just smashing!
Most of all, the violence will be over, the needless killing of civilians by imperialist bombs will be ended. But they can never grasp the value of such an outcome, only we have the vision to see, accept, and adapt. Like the dinosaurs, the right wingers are unable to adapt and their ideology will be doomed to extinction.