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Straight From Michelle:
I went to bed last night after blogging about the Dearbornistan terror arrests and the still missing 8 Egyptians. Twenty minutes after I went to sleep, the news broke about a massive terrorist plot to blow up several aircraft mid-flight between the United States and Britain using explosives smuggled in hand luggage.
Are the arrests of the Dearborn men, who had airplane manifests and tracfones (which have been used by terrorists to detonate bombs) and the nationwide lookout of the missing Egyptians here a coincidence? Maybe not. AP:
Britain’s Home Secretary John Reid said the alleged plot was “significant” and that terrorists aimed to “bring down a number of aircraft through mid-flight explosions, causing a considerable loss of life.”
Police arrested a number of people overnight in London after a major covert counterterrorism operation that had lasted several months, but did not immediately say how many.The U.S. government responded by raising its threat assessment to the highest level for commercial flights from Britain to the United States early Thursday.
Hot Air covered developments through the night. Also: Ace, Jeff Goldstein, Dan Riehl, Junkyard Blog. One word that you’ll note that is missing from first coverage–well here, see for yourselves:
Sky News’ Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said those arrested were mainly young, British-born Asian men.
The missing word is “Muslim.” Young, Muslim men from Pakistan. Bloomberg News mentions the word in its report, not to describe the suspects, but only in a stupid bit of editorializing:
Britain has 12,500 troops deployed in military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a source of anger among some of Britain’s Muslim population.
For crying out loud. No wonder Melanie Phillips calls it Lemmingland. DFH has more on the p.c. whitewashing. And Scotland Yard Deputy Commissioner Paul Stephenson goes out of his way to assuage Muslim grievance-mongers: “This is not about communities: it is about criminals, murderers, people who want to commit mass murder.”
Speaking of stupid biased coverage, al Reuters suggests that Muslim anger not only over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also over Britain’s support of Israel in the latest war with Hezbollah is to blame for the plot (which has been hatching for the last 8-9 months):
Britain has been criticized by Islamist militants for its military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Tony Blair has also come under fire at home and abroad for following the U.S. lead and refusing to call for an immediate ceasefire in the conflict between Israel and Lebanese Hizbollah guerrillas.
Jihad is all Tony Blair’s fault!
Stephen Taylor has video of Scotland Yard and BAA press conferences in Britain on the unraveled conspiracy and handy breakdown of basics:
*The hubs of the attacks were to be Heathrow airport, Birmingham and Manchester.
*Twenty-one British muslims of Pakistani descent were arrested overnight (majority in London, others in Thames Valley and Birmingham). Two more suspects are currently fugitives (details unconfirmed). Up to 50 more being sought.
*Terrorists intended to detonate explosives in mid-air.
Well, this certainly puts that appalling BBC satire, “The Terrorism Awards,” making fun of planes crashing into buildings, in its place, doesn’t it? Are they laughing at the BBC now:
Here’s the BBC coverage of the 8/10 plot, if you care to read it.
And a look at the nutroots on the left for their reaction comes from Mary Katharine Ham.
But AmericaBlog takes the chance to do some early-morning shark-jumping. His theory?
The Republican administration responded to the thwarting of an “imminent” and “massive” terror attack on trans-Atlantic flights with a Code Red security alert because a Democrat incumbent lost in a Connecticut Senate primary.
August 10, 2006 - 08:03 AM on August 10th, 2006
“Sky News’ Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said those arrested were mainly young, British-born Asian men.
The missing word is “Muslim.” Young, Muslim men from Pakistan”
Whoaaa… what a surprise!!!!
And I was sure that the fact that Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Quaeda are mainly using AK47 guns and missiles of russian and chinese design and nuclear weapons knowledge from russia are suggesting a worldwide “ASIAN” conspiracy… but now I know better: it is YOUNG men, who commit all this terror nonsense!!!
August 10, 2006 - 08:13 AM on August 10th, 2006
Why not just call them Muslims? Why are we tiptoeing around the truth?
August 10, 2006 - 08:42 AM on August 10th, 2006
Peejz,
my (german) grandparent’s generation committed the Holocaust. They were nearly all christians…
Would you like, the massmurdering nazis to simply be called “Christians”???
What are intending with this “these evil muslims” propaganda of yours??
In my country that was they way it started in the 30s with the jewish population… As you right wing folks justify each human right violation (Guantanamo, ignorance of UN rights, etc.) with this freedom-claiming “we don’t want another Hitler or Holocaust”-justification , why are you behaving they way that your enemies do???
August 10, 2006 - 08:52 AM on August 10th, 2006
#1 attempted dodge. Not “young” men but muslims, as Peejz pointed out.
And regarding Christians and the Holocaust, you are ignoring a fundamental difference between then and now: Some of those who took part in the holocaust may have come from a Christian background, but what they did had nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. What the Jihadists are doing is in the name of Islam, mandated by their religious beliefs.
August 10, 2006 - 08:54 AM on August 10th, 2006
…al Reuters suggests that Muslim anger not only over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also over Britain’s support of Israel in the latest war with Hezbollah is to blame for the plot (which has been hatching for the last 8-9 months):
Yes! Yes! Of course it is Britain’s fault, and America’s fault too! If they would not oppose Jihad, if they would only go back to doing nothing, or even better, surrender, accept Islam and be assimilated, none of this would be happening!
August 10, 2006 - 08:54 AM on August 10th, 2006
Matthias, Fuck you and your Nazi family.
Kill Muslim animals…..before they kill you.
August 10, 2006 - 08:57 AM on August 10th, 2006
3- Did your grandparents commit the atrocities in the name of Jesus Christ?
Human rights violation? At gitmo where the muslims defaced their own Korans? The UN? If you want it take it. The UN hasn’t recognized the Human rights violations in North Korea and had to be dragged to the table on Darfur, so you can take them and shove them up your …!
August 10, 2006 - 08:57 AM on August 10th, 2006
Well stated Robert… amazingly, muslim animals were out raping, marauding, murdering…long before George W. Bush OR Tony Blair EVER had anything to do with it…
If you listened to knuckleheads like SF the other liberals, you’d think these Muslim animals were just sitting around praying, hugging jews, passing out toys to children, before the Evil neocon cabal of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Halliburton, etc. stole the election and begain their imperial rampage.
At that point, all freedom loving muslims everywhere had to snap into action……and begin blowing up children.
August 10, 2006 - 09:08 AM on August 10th, 2006
Well stated Robert… amazingly, muslim animals were out raping, marauding, murdering…long before George W. Bush OR Tony Blair EVER had anything to do with it…
Ahh.. you mean like the crusaders in Palestine in the 11th century? Or rather like the missionaries in south america some centuries later…? Or like the GIs in My Lai?
Can you be more precise?
PS: Even muslims have children… what about those “animals”, my philanthrope friend?
August 10, 2006 - 09:10 AM on August 10th, 2006
Yes, Mike, that’s true.
But to read some of the posts we have seen here you’d get the idea that it is the fault of the United States that the Palestinians are so poor and have no future! The Arab countries are all very poor because of being taken advantage of by the West! We’ve kept them down!
FACTS (for the reality-challenged Left):
1. The Arabs have tremendous wealth. Why don’t they spread some around and improve the lot of their Muslim brethren, like the Palestinians?
2. For generations the Jihadists have been teaching little to their children otheer than hate, murder, and martyrdom. Those people don’t dream of houses with picket fences and lawns in front for a better future, they fantasize about killing and welcome dying while doing so!
3. The parents of children sent to murder and die don’t suffer from the loss of their child, they celebrate their martyrdom!
You people that don’t get it, are you just mentally ill? What is your problem? You are going to apply civilized, western standards of thought to people that for several generations have been steeped in nothing but hate, violence, killing, and martyrdom? You do not understand what you are talking about and perhaps should refrain from rendering your opinion until you do.
August 10, 2006 - 09:14 AM on August 10th, 2006
PS: Even muslims have children… what about those “animals”, my philanthrope friend?
You mean the kids they indoctrinate into terrorists?
August 10, 2006 - 09:15 AM on August 10th, 2006
10- that’ll leave a mark Robert:wink:
August 10, 2006 - 09:21 AM on August 10th, 2006
again, assholes have to go back 1,000 years in order to make excuses for fucking marauding muslim animals.
Let me give you an update, Matthias, my ignorant friend.
IT’S THE FUCKING 21ST CENTURY, NOT THE MIDDLE AGES.
though I know that muslim animals prefer the middle ages…illiteracy, ignorance, wife-beating, slave-holding times.
You are the single biggest asshole to grace this blog in some time….congratulations, on defending child killers.
August 10, 2006 - 09:23 AM on August 10th, 2006
PS: Even muslims have children… what about those “animals”, my philanthrope friend?
Ding ding ding! Ring the bell! The above is a classic example of what I was talking about. No understanding of the situation.
August 10, 2006 - 09:27 AM on August 10th, 2006
#13, Mike: I was thinking the same thing. He brings up the example of something that occurred more than 900 years ago as a comparative example.
Hello…McFly! The world has changed since the 12th century! Society has evolved!(well, except for the Jihadists, they’re still stuck back in the 8th century). Civilization is back! We have things like the rule of law.
August 10, 2006 - 09:42 AM on August 10th, 2006
Some examples of Christian Terrorism in the 20th and 21st century:
FYI:
# October 2, 2004- Christian terrorist group kills 44 Hindus, wounds 118 in Northeast India.
# 2003- Preacher Michael Evans calls for a holy war and “cleansing” against non-Christians.
# January 16, 1997- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs nightclub.
# July 27, 1996- Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs Centennial Olympic Park. Kills 1, wounds 111.
# April 19, 1995- Oklahoma City bombing
Citation.
I know what you’ll say–wikipedia is a leftist, ultra-liberal, unreliable piece of crap…
August 10, 2006 - 09:54 AM on August 10th, 2006
so, in other words, it takes these alleged “Christian terrrorists” over a decade to kill as many as muslim animals can do in one minute, blowing children to bits and shooting them in the back?
looks like they need some practice!!!!!
Your comparison is assinine…as these are crazy anti-abortion activists who are not on some jihad against any governemt, but against those who gleefully dismember babies and vaccum the pieces out and throw it in the trash…
…and muslim were behind the OK city bombing, so I’d leave that off your little list ass well…
but keep defending the muslim animals…it’s wonderful that you are on their team.
August 10, 2006 - 10:02 AM on August 10th, 2006
Muslims behind OK city bombing?
Ummm….
no?
August 10, 2006 - 10:04 AM on August 10th, 2006
16- Oklahoma Bombing? WTF is that? Where did Christianity come into play there?
Michael Evans- How many buildings has Evans taken down? How many suicide bombers has he paid?
Eric Rudolph?- Christian Identity terrorist? And that would be:is a label applied to a wide variety of loosely-affiliated groups and churches with a racialized theology
And where is Eric now?
August 10, 2006 - 10:14 AM on August 10th, 2006
Yes, Muslims behind the OK city bombing….
HERE
I know you’ll call it a wild conspiracy theory, etc… but how often do white bread american “terrorists” spend time in Mindanao with known muslim radicals before pulling something like this?
August 10, 2006 - 10:38 AM on August 10th, 2006
Eddy, you are looking more like an SF Liberal: defending the indefensible. On your Quixotic quest for the impossible dream.
August 10, 2006 - 10:55 AM on August 10th, 2006
“defending the indefensible”
…really means having the gall to hold a point of view different from yours.
please.
August 10, 2006 - 11:09 AM on August 10th, 2006
having the gall to side with the enemies of freedom, tolerence, women’s rights, individual liberty, etc.
yeah, I’d call that defending the indefensible.
August 10, 2006 - 11:10 AM on August 10th, 2006
No, it means, reaching, stretching, twisting and distorting, using all sorts of tactics and techniques to try to argue a losing point. Being a contrarian just for the sake of being contrary, even if you have to invent things to do so.
August 10, 2006 - 11:11 AM on August 10th, 2006
My post 24 was responding to SFL. Mike’s post #23 is right on, as usual.
August 10, 2006 - 11:24 AM on August 10th, 2006
No, it really is just holding a different point of view from yours.
No one is “defending” murder or radicalism here, what we are doing is looking at the problem in a different light…from a different point of view.
How boring would life be if everyone held the same opinions?
How bland would this site be without seeing different points of view?
August 10, 2006 - 11:53 AM on August 10th, 2006
so, let me see if I understand you correctly… it’s more important to have a “diversity of ideas and opinions” than it is to condemn and go after those who blow up and machine gun children?
I see… wow, will this enlightened attitude also spead to american college campuses where conservative students are chased off campus like Frankenstein’s monster, running from the torch-weilding villiagers?
I suppose you are going to now show respect and tolerance for those of us who believe the dismemberment and vaccuming of children from the womb is a sick, disgusting, horrific, barbaric act of complete inhumanity?
didn’t think so.
August 10, 2006 - 12:08 PM on August 10th, 2006
16:
Eddy, the CI movement is a hate group. There’s nothing Christian about it.
August 10, 2006 - 12:09 PM on August 10th, 2006
“I suppose you are going to now show respect and tolerance for those of us who believe the dismemberment and vacuuming of children from the womb is a sick, disgusting, horrific, barbaric act of complete inhumanity?
didn’t think so”
Wrong. You’re free to feel that way if you want. I respect and tolerate your opinion and beliefs, and I understand that you would never have an abortion.
——————
“it’s more important to have a “diversity of ideas and opinions” than it is to condemn and go after those who blow up and machine gun children”
You’re not getting it. NO ONE IS DEFENDING THE MURDER OF INNOCNETS. OK? But we do have different opinions on WHY they do it and HOW to deal with it.
Got it? I doubt it, but please try.
August 10, 2006 - 12:15 PM on August 10th, 2006
“the CI movement is a hate group. There’s nothing Christian about it.”
Huh. That’s funny. That’s what moderate Muslims say about the violent radicals.
You don’t see the irony in that, do you?
August 10, 2006 - 12:32 PM on August 10th, 2006
Ok, here is WHY they do it….
they hate all non-muslims.
Here is how they do it.
28 men and two women arm themselves with hundreds of pounds of explosives and an arsenel of automatic weapons.
They then pounce on an unsuspecting school on opening day of classes, immediately killing the security guard and any other threatening males.
They then heard the teachers, parents and over 1,000 students into a cramped, sweltering school gymnasium.
At this point, the 21 murdered bodies are tossed out the window onto a pile, possibly as a show of intent, or to keep the decomposing bodies out for what will surely be a long ordeal.
The terrorists then proceed to rig the entire building with explosives and booby traps, concentrating the bulk of the explosives in the gymnasiam with the 1,000 children.
By day 3, the bulk of the children are stripped naked in the 100+ degree gymnasium, suffereng from heat exhaustion and dimensia, forced to drink their own urine to survive…
some are shot indescriminately, then, when it becomes apparent that the ridiculous demands of the Muslim terrorists will not be met, they begin setting off the explosive charges, tearing 5 year old bodies apart like rag dolls.. blowing off limbs, heads, showering the children with shrapnel.
In the confusion, some of the children, teachers adn parents manage to escape through windows, the unlucky, slow and others are shot in the back as they attempt to flee.. many are blinded, dismembered, burned over much of their bodies….
the terrorists continue mowing down 4,5,6 year old children and setting off eplosives until the carnage is unimaginable… 331 dead, over 500 more wounded…horror, pure evil on display.
…..in the name of Allah.
August 10, 2006 - 12:54 PM on August 10th, 2006
SF, please explain what makes the Christian identity movement Christian. Then I’ll explain why it’s an apples and oranges comparison with Islam.
August 10, 2006 - 12:56 PM on August 10th, 2006
Mike,
I already asked Peejz this question:
“How many muslims do you know personally?”.
Reading your statements builds a picture of all muslims being a sort of childeating Borg-Alien-Predator-Tribe… the ultimate evil… the picture that Adolf Hitler had of the jews… vermin that has to be exterminated.
You don’t really think that way, don’t you…? I mean- at least you’re able to write and use a PC…
August 10, 2006 - 01:05 PM on August 10th, 2006
Peejz,
(unless I read over it,) you didn’t answer my question yet? What is this “those evil muslims “-thing of you about???
August 10, 2006 - 01:13 PM on August 10th, 2006
Matthias, as if I need to explain myself to you…
lest you stereotype me as some sort of toothless, trailer park-dwelling, gun toting, redneck yahoo…..
I served in the United States Navy
I put myslef through college and graduated Magna Cum Laude
I speak 4 languages and play 5 musical instruments
I have travelled extensively to at least 20 other countries
and yes, my idiot friend, I know MANY muslims personally… One of my former (and I stress, FORMER) best friends was a Kuwaiti gentleman, who, after 9/11, told me that I should understand the motivation of the killers.
as I said, former friend.
August 10, 2006 - 01:21 PM on August 10th, 2006
34- since I am not sure what it is you are asking I will take a stab at answering the question: Why do I keep bringing up stories about evil Muslims? Because they are evil, people need to know about it, and if it offends you..so be it. The fact that the moderate Muslims don’t stand upto the radicals leads me to believe that they are in agreement.
Get it:?:
August 10, 2006 - 01:24 PM on August 10th, 2006
Peejz..thank you! I have said this a million times, but no one seems to get it through their thick skulls.
If the MAJORITY of muslims were “moderate” as you liberals claim, this war on terror would last about 5 seconds because the wouldn’t have it.
The fact is, though most muslims are never going to strap on a suicide jacket and blow a hundred Jews to pieces.. I do believe that the deep down in a MAJORITY of muslim hearts..they are happy that there are those who do.
prove me wrong. The burden is not on me to give them the benefit of the doubt..the burend is on THEM to get their fucking house in order and, if Islam is truly a “religion of peace” to HELP DESTROY those who kill, rape, murder, behead, enslave, etc. in the name of Allah.
August 10, 2006 - 01:26 PM on August 10th, 2006
And actually, Peejz, when you examine the Koran, you’ll find those “extremists” are actually fundamentalist Muslims, doing exactly what their prophet said they should do.
August 10, 2006 - 01:39 PM on August 10th, 2006
Peejz,
so what do you suggest to do with those “evil muslims”, especially those in the US? Do they have to convert and re-educated, or how do you want to “get rid” of those millions of people? A global war: muslims vs. non-muslims?
Mike,
I guess you are a well-educated guy and a good education doesn’t prevent you from having clear POVs and also hating things/people. But in college you must have learned to see things dialectically (does this word exist? I’m not so sure about such sophisticated english terms)… Nothing in this world is 100% one way. There are not THE Americans or THE Jews or THE Muslims… if you really think in such stereotype patterns, I would really ask in which subject you got your degree?
August 10, 2006 - 01:43 PM on August 10th, 2006
38- good point!
August 10, 2006 - 01:44 PM on August 10th, 2006
jesus harold christ… what the hell is wrong with you?
of course nothing is 100% one way.. however
the Jewish, Christian, and agnostic faith do NOT TEACH US TO KILL INFIDELS.
When’s the last time you saw a group of 30 masked, heavily armed episcopalians storming a Muslim school and blowing shit up?
why IS IT SO FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU PEOPLE TO CALL A SPADE A SPADE?
August 10, 2006 - 02:00 PM on August 10th, 2006
The muslims that I know (and I’m kind of married to a muslims family), are all very peaceful and civilized people- they come from Turkey which is a much more republican-friendly ally in the fight against terror than most of the european countries.
They interpret/understand the Jihad as a struggle/war against the inner temptations. Actually there are many formulations in the Koran which can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. I mean… do cristian teachers everywhere in the world teach and think the same???
Come one Mike- you may be stubborn and somewhat radical, but not an idiot!
August 10, 2006 - 02:03 PM on August 10th, 2006
They interpret/understand the Jihad as a struggle/war against the inner temptations.
against what?
August 10, 2006 - 02:14 PM on August 10th, 2006
Matthias is making some very good points, and he obviously knows more about Muslims and Islam than anybody here.
(!)
August 10, 2006 - 02:18 PM on August 10th, 2006
Matthias knows more about muslims and islam that anybody here?
hardly…since he can’t acknowledge their evil.
yet another apologist for terror.
August 10, 2006 - 02:30 PM on August 10th, 2006
The thing about Koran is also that is is written in Arabian and a lot of people in the muslim countries are not able to read it- so they have to rely on what people tell them…
It’s a little bit like the way that the catholic church treated their beleivers by just allowong the bible in latin- until Luther changed it.
SF,
I don’t really know much about Islam except for the stuff that my wife, her family and friends told me. I tried started reading a book about it (which had a missionary flavor, but was nevertheless very scientific), but it sounded too complicated too me (and also boring!).
Islam is a missionary religion as Christianity is. (As catholicism) Quite conservative with the goal to have more and more believers.. It has many flavours (for example some alevites also eat pork) and all levels of strictness from very liberal to very conservative. And of course it is somewhat oldfashioned and to western folks more uncivilized, the poorer the region is, where the muslims are living.
The Hindu indians in the poor regions are also somewhat violent and misogynic… but as there is no local conflict with western countries nobody cares.
August 10, 2006 - 02:31 PM on August 10th, 2006
They interpret/understand the Jihad as a struggle/war against the inner temptations.
against what?
Wrath… for example…
August 10, 2006 - 02:32 PM on August 10th, 2006
Until I am shown otherwise…Islam is not a religion, it’s a death cult.
prove me wrong.
August 10, 2006 - 02:48 PM on August 10th, 2006
Now you’re getting silly…
Based upon the quantum theory, prove me that something is (or is not) anything!?!
How do I know, that I don’t have a split personality (the Tyler Durden style) and writing (as Mike) posts to myself??
August 10, 2006 - 03:04 PM on August 10th, 2006
FIFTY!!! I win!
And now I really have to stop for today (or in my area evening)… my wife has this manic stare in her eyes again and started stabbing in the air with akitchen knife when she saw a plane outside passing by…
Mike, I really enjoyed these discussion with you… although I think, that you are some sociologist playing some “look how he’ll respond now”-psychogame with me…
whatever…
cu,
M.
August 10, 2006 - 03:10 PM on August 10th, 2006
“I don’t really know much about Islam except for the stuff that my wife, her family and friends told me.”
Well, it’s a hell of a lot more than I or anyone here seems to know or claims to know. You have it from first hand sources…we don’t.
August 10, 2006 - 04:27 PM on August 10th, 2006
Eddy, you are looking more like an SF Liberal: defending the indefensible. On your Quixotic quest for the impossible dream.
Robert, I”ll just pretend that having a bad day and won’t respond to that–your friend, Newbie
For all of you who disagree that those are “Christian” groups–the fact is that for some reason these people saw themselves as christian. And you can argue, they have hijacked Christianity. Likewise, please tread with care before interchanging Muslim and Terrorist
August 10, 2006 - 05:09 PM on August 10th, 2006
“the fact is that for some reason these people saw themselves as christian…”
No, Eddy. You’d be surprised by the number of abberant and heretical groups passing themselves off as Christian (to the uninformed) to look like part of the mainstream and have some kind of credibility as a Christian organization. These groups have no problem using all the right words, but once you look past that cloak of wool, there’s still a wolf underneath.
“And you can argue, they have hijacked Christianity. Likewise, please tread with care before interchanging Muslim and Terrorist.”
See, you can compare the actions of hate groups like the WAR, Christian Identity and such with the NT and it reveals the blatant lie. You read the Koran and compare it with the actions of Muslim fundamentalists, and you have harmony. They can’t go against the words of their prophet just because they’re too much for 21st century sensibilities.
August 10, 2006 - 05:16 PM on August 10th, 2006
I urge you to speak with an actual Muslim about his/her faith.
You will truly be surprised.
August 10, 2006 - 05:35 PM on August 10th, 2006
Isn’t their prophet the ultimate Muslim? One can read it for oneself.
August 10, 2006 - 05:45 PM on August 10th, 2006
51- speak for yourself. I had already answered him. I know Americanized Muslims that stopped practicing their religon!
August 10, 2006 - 05:46 PM on August 10th, 2006
yeah, and one could get the wrong idea too.
There are a handful of so-called Christian groups that you and others would say are not Xtian or do behave as Xtians would.
Same thing for Islam.
August 10, 2006 - 05:53 PM on August 10th, 2006
Then it would be moderate Muslims who are not living according to the Koran, if you examine the life of Mohammed.
August 10, 2006 - 09:19 PM on August 10th, 2006
While most Muslims are not terrorists, far too many of the sects of Islam are preaching radical violent Islam. They are teaching Wahabism, which is a violent sect of a religion that has for centuries been tolerant of others. With the introduction of oil money into Saudi Arabia, Wahabism got the financial shot in the arm that it needed to spread its message of violence beyond its historical boundaries of the kingdom. With that financial boost, it was not only able to build madrasas to indoctrinate the youth into its beliefs, it was able to send out missionaries and finance seminaries to increase the number of adherents it could then send forth to spread the not so good word. Much as the Catholic church sent forth the Jesuits, except that while some Jesuits were prone to violence in their methods, these missionaries are being trained in it.
Perhaps the proper way to describe the terrorists would be “Wahabists” or Radical Islamists.
I think the biggest problem isn’t that the terrorists represent a small portion of the Islamic faith, but rather that the vast majority of the Islamic faith either refuses to condemn their terrorist actions or actively support them in them. This is a war and sides must be chosen. You can not be neutral if you live in the US. You must either be against the terrorists or for them. Any US citizen that actively supports them is guilty of treason and should be treated thusly. Historically, we hang traitors. There is no middle ground. They do not wish to negotiate, they want to kill. As for the detainees at Gitmo, they are ununiformed combatants, not criminals and therefore are NOT eligible for protection under the US Constitution. Under the Geneva Conventions, they are international criminals that, like looters, may be shot on sight. Additionally, after their status is determined, they may also be executed, an action that I highly recommend. With the way in which they treat our guards, the real victims of abuse at Gitmo are our soldiers.
August 11, 2006 - 12:03 AM on August 11th, 2006
They interpret/understand the Jihad as a struggle/war against the inner temptations.
Oh, good, now that we’ve cleared that up…why don’t they go blow up their own inner temptations, instead of attacking others?
August 11, 2006 - 12:12 AM on August 11th, 2006
:lol::lol:
August 11, 2006 - 02:29 AM on August 11th, 2006
This is a war and sides must be chosen. You can not be neutral if you live in the US. You must either be against the terrorists or for them. Any US citizen that actively supports them is guilty of treason and should be treated thusly.
100% RIGHT! You are either for terrorism, or against it. There is no gray area, only black and white. No mealy-mouthed wavering, no excuses, no bs.
I can think of a few members of Congress that should be hanged as traitors, imo.
August 11, 2006 - 08:42 AM on August 11th, 2006
62-Shit… And I thought we were different than “them”… PS Life is about grays and there is gray area here. I CANNOT give this president nor a liberal president a blank check in the “war on terror”
August 11, 2006 - 08:48 AM on August 11th, 2006
Ah, the John Kohn “nuance” school of thought……
in other words…lying, equivocating, grovelling and doing nothing.
August 11, 2006 - 10:38 PM on August 11th, 2006
Eddy, you may believe that this is a world of grays, but unfortunately the enemies in this war do not. They have either enemies or accomplices. They see no difference between liberals or conservatives, Christian, Muslim or Jew. They see only infidels or apostates to be killed.
Why do they kill? I would have to say I seriously doubt that most of the current crop of terrorists know. They have been indoctrinated in ways that fairly closely match those depicted in the movie “The Manchurian Candidate.” The orginal black and white one. If you have seen the program on the investigation into the techniques used by one of the recruiters, and understood what was shown, you would know that they are using reasonably advanced methods of, for want of a better term, brainwashing. They showed techniques that included subliminal messages.
Unfortunately, most have become so indoctrinated that anything other than to kill them won’t stop them. With that in mind, their motivations mean nothing. While others may want to psychoanalyze the terrorists, in most cases it will be a total waste of time. Considering their desire to kill any and every infidel or apostate possible, even if it involves their own death, wouldn’t killing them before they carry out their plans be considered self defense? Who in their right mind doesn’t defend themselves against attack?