Let’s See How The UN Handles Iran
I will predict that they do what they usually do..NOTHING!
Iran denies inspectors access to site
Iran turned away U.N. inspectors from an underground site meant to shelter its uranium enrichment program from attack, diplomats said Monday, while the country’s supreme leader said Tehran will not give up its contentious nuclear technology.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s comments came on the eve of a self-imposed deadline to respond formally to Western incentives aimed at curbing its atomic program, deflating hopes that Iran will accept a U.N. Security Council demand that it freeze enrichment by Aug. 31 or face the possibility of sanctions.
Iran’s unprecedented refusal to allow access to its underground facility at Natanz could seriously hamper U.N. attempts to ensure Tehran is not trying to produce nuclear weapons, and might violate the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, diplomats and U.N. officials told The Associated Press.
Speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, the diplomats and officials from the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, described other signs of Iranian defiance.
They said Iran denied entry visas to two IAEA inspectors in the last few weeks after doing the same earlier this summer for Chris Charlier, the expert heading the U.N. agency’s team to Tehran. Additionally, they said, other inspectors were given only single-entry visas during their visits to Iran last week, instead of the customary multiple-entry permits.
Others covering this:
Reuters: Iran: No end to uranium enrichment
Curt / Flopping Aces: Iran’s Saber Rattling
C.S. Scott / Security Watchtower: Iran prepares ambiguous response to Security Council
The Asylum: Iran Tells The IAEA “No.”
Dave Schuler / The Glittering Eye: The dog days of summer
AJStrata / The Strata-Sphere: Iran Continues On Path To Nuclear Weapons
Michael van der Galien / Liberty and Justice: Iran Refuses UN Inspectors Access To Nuclear Site
Jan Haugland / Secular Blasphemy: Iran will not halt its nuclear programme
Jay / Stop The ACLU: Iran To Continue On Nuclear Path
Brian J. Dunn / The Dignified Rant: Not a Promising Sign ” Tomorrow, Iran is supposed to “answer” :
Robert / Jihad Watch: U.N.: Iran turns away inspectors
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August 21, 2006 - 06:23 PM on August 21st, 2006
I think the real question here is how will Iran handle the UN?
August 21, 2006 - 06:26 PM on August 21st, 2006
I think they have already shown how they will handle them by turning them away.
August 21, 2006 - 06:37 PM on August 21st, 2006
(for those who know me, You might be surprised), but I do think that Iran is enriching Uranium for weapon and not peace purposes. And I think Iran is right now the greatest threat in the world–more so than N Korea. Why? Because Iran has more influence and more “allies” in the world than N Korea. N Korea is the crying baby in the corner, while Iran is the prodigal teenager who wants and could be capabale to break up “the family”.
The UN should just “give up” on Iran, and just call a spade a spade. While we (the US) can, it is political suicide to destroy those sites. Ideally (short of Iran giving up its program), is for China or Russia (“the allies”) to take them out (i know they won’t).
Finally, I hope the end result of this is not sanctions. That’s just silly stuff that won’t work and will be the solution that we’ll accept, while Iran goes on with its business.
From the Iranian perspective, they might feel kinda stuck. Their greatest enemy is the US, and two of its neighboring countries have massive amount of US troops deployed. I can understand why they’re paranoid.
August 21, 2006 - 06:48 PM on August 21st, 2006
I am curious as to why you feel China and Russia won’t deal with Iran? Otherwise I agree with you. I do think that NK is a severe threat, but Iran is the more imminent of the 2!
August 21, 2006 - 07:04 PM on August 21st, 2006
Cause China and Russia like the Iranian oil too much. If China took out those plants, it would position itself as a serious global power. But perhaps what might be the irony in all this is this:
Iran supports Islamic militants in Russia and China. For a while the two countries “tolerate” the pests, but then the militants make their move of 9/11 proportions. China and Russia realize that the threat is in Iran, and they respond militarily.
… What do you mean “of the 21″?
August 21, 2006 - 07:22 PM on August 21st, 2006
How much oil do the 2 countries get from Iran?
August 21, 2006 - 08:03 PM on August 21st, 2006
I have no idea… I would presume that China is probably more in need of that (as it anticipates its developing economy)
August 21, 2006 - 08:15 PM on August 21st, 2006
Maybe the biggest threat to America is that a couple of smart Muslims figure out a way to blow up 10 airplanes killing 1,000 Americans. How much money should America spend to mitigate that threat when 50,000 Americans die on our roadways every year?
August 21, 2006 - 08:45 PM on August 21st, 2006
8- I am not following where you are going with that Z. Yes 50,000 people do die on our roadways, but we also have taken precautions (via laws) to try and prevent the accidents. (laws= road specifications, drunk driving, licences etc)
August 21, 2006 - 09:17 PM on August 21st, 2006
And IRAN is still part of the UN and while they make us cut down on out minuteman missles andallow russians spy sattlites to look over it all why dont we just evict the UN and blast the spy sattleites with a few missles of our own:cool:
August 21, 2006 - 09:43 PM on August 21st, 2006
Eddy I think you make a lot of sense, but I don’t think Russia cares about Iranian oil. Isn’t Russia now the world’s largest producer of oil? Russia probably cares more about Iran as a customer for arms and equipment.
But Russia does not or should not have much love for Islamic militants, after that terrorist school attack that brutally killed so many children. I would think that by now Russia would have been looking to get even for that.
China? Who knows what they’re thinking.
August 21, 2006 - 09:44 PM on August 21st, 2006
Zelda, knocking down 10 airplanes is just the tip of the iceberg of what they could do. Disrupt the economy, etc. is way worse than automobile accidents.
August 21, 2006 - 10:30 PM on August 21st, 2006
11- ding ding ding…arms is the key to the equation! BTW, Russia is/was #2 according to oil figures….Russia is not turning out to be this friend we thought we made. JMO
August 21, 2006 - 11:39 PM on August 21st, 2006
This is a mess waiting to happen. Right now the western world is caught between a rock and a hard place in dealing with these Islamic Radicals. If we continue to screw around trying to negotiate with them, two things result:
1: they see it as a sign of weakness and ignore the rhetoric for what it is, rhetoric.
2: They follow the part of Islam that doesn’t require them to honor any agreement made with infidels, so they simply lie to us and continue on with their weapons development.
Either way, they keep on working towards making weapons and with North Korea’s help (You don’t think Iran gave North Korea that Chinese long range weapons technology for free do you?) they are closer than ever to actually developing an atomic weapon. I say Atomic versus Nuclear because Atomic is Fission based (easier to produce, 1940s technology) versus Nuclear which is fusion based and harder to construct.
With Iran’s record for supplying terrorist groups and rogue nations with advanced weapons technology, we absolutely can not allow Iran to obtain atomic weapons. We must use whatever means necessary to overthrow the regime or destroy any facilities that are being used to produce them.
With the absolutely porous nature of our southern border and the report released today from the association for Texas Sheriffs reporting that Arabic men are learning Spanish and sneaking into the country disquised as Mexicans, we simply can not allow a device of this sort to become available to them. It would only be a matter of time before a terrorist smuggled it across the border and detonated it in a major city. I know that atomic weapons with a yield almost equivalent to Nagasaki can be made to fit into a small suitcase because we used to have atomic artillery shells that weighed under 200 lbs, were only 8 inches in diameter and under 2 ft long. For those who don’t know, a ground burst atomic weapon will produce huge amounts of radioactive fallout that will follow the wind currents for hundred if not thousands of miles. That is the reason why US nuclear weapons are always set to air burst. The further above the ground the device detonates, the less down wind fallout there will be.
BTW a device detonated in Phoenix could knock out the power grid as far away as San Diego and Los Angeles from the electro magnetic pulse. Anyone who feels we shouldn’t even consider a military response, isn’t nearly aware enough of what would happen to be adequately afraid. It would be VERY bad.
I am afraid we may have to promulgate an overthrow of the government or just carpet bomb them into the stone age and then pave what’s left. There is simply no negotiating with them. Our survival as a nation depends on Iran not obtaining nuclear weapons as long as the current regime is in power.
August 22, 2006 - 07:24 AM on August 22nd, 2006
My vote is for the carpet bombing.
August 22, 2006 - 07:42 AM on August 22nd, 2006
Even ruthless conquerors of the past, from Genghis Khan to Adolf Hitler, wanted some tangible gains for themselves or their nations — land, wealth, dominion. What Middle East fanatics want is the destruction and humiliation of the west.
Their treatment of hostages, some of whom have been humanitarians serving the people of the Middle East, shows that what the terrorists want is to inflict the maximum pain and psychic anguish on their victims before killing them.
Once these fanatics have nuclear weapons, those victims can include you, your children and your children’s children.
The terrorists need not start out by wiping our cities off the map. Chances are they would first want to force us to humiliate ourselves in whatever ways their sadistic imaginations could conceive, out of fear of their nuclear weapons.
After we, or our children and grandchildren, find ourselves living at the mercy of people with no mercy, what will future generations think of us, that we let this happen because we wanted to placate “world opinion” by not acting “unilaterally”?
We are fast approaching the point of no return.
August 22, 2006 - 09:56 AM on August 22nd, 2006
16- You know Mike, you just brought up a very good point that gets overlooked. Hezbollah and Alqaeda are not looking to take land, but to destroy nation(US/Israel). Palestine, on the other hand is trying to take land and kill the Jews.
August 22, 2006 - 05:19 PM on August 22nd, 2006
“8- I am not following where you are going with that Z.”
I guess I’m saying that the threat of terrorists is overblown because it is sexy. It’s exciting, new, it makes the news. The response to the threat is overblown and disproportionate to the real risk.
August 22, 2006 - 05:29 PM on August 22nd, 2006
Until they get nukes. Then all bets are off.
August 22, 2006 - 06:43 PM on August 22nd, 2006
18- Okay, I do think you have a greater risk of being rear ended on the freeway than a victim of a terrorist attack, but I wouldn’t discount either. Just as you take precautions on the road, so should you on terrorism. Good point though.
August 22, 2006 - 08:27 PM on August 22nd, 2006
You guys make me sad.
There are so many risks to my crack babies and to you and your babies. You guys focus on the bullshit that the media and the politicians present to you without ever thinking.
How is your baby/friend/parent most likely to be hurt???? Grow up. Please:.
August 22, 2006 - 08:30 PM on August 22nd, 2006
I have a question for you… You have 300 Billion dollars to spend to make America safer. How would you spend it???
August 22, 2006 - 08:44 PM on August 22nd, 2006
22.
First I would withdraw all non essential troops to within our borders. I would withdraw from the UN and the Geneva Accords. I would also bring home all troops that are not wanted or needed where they are stationed. The cold war is over- let Europe fend for themselves and put a proportionate amount of their economy into their militaries instead of relying on us to provide their military for them
Then, I would utilize the troops to help secure the borders, BOTH north and south. I’d build a 30 foot wall, 30 ft deep in the ground, turrets with flame throws, dogs, motion detectors and the whole nine yard. And yes…land mines. The last thing would be a very noticeable line of ashes.If our borders are not secure, then we are not secure.
Lastly, in phase one, I would incentivize domestic alternative fuel researching. Flex 85 would be a start- (support the Midwest, not the Mideast) but this is NOT the end all/be all.
This is just the start.
August 22, 2006 - 08:59 PM on August 22nd, 2006
I vote for TheWoodshed’s plan.
August 23, 2006 - 07:28 AM on August 23rd, 2006
I second that Robert.
August 23, 2006 - 08:28 AM on August 23rd, 2006
not to mention the busing of all illegals OUT of the country.
August 23, 2006 - 10:40 AM on August 23rd, 2006
“…the threat of terrorists is overblown because it is sexy. It’s exciting, new, it makes the news. The response to the threat is overblown and disproportionate to the real risk.”
I agree 100%, Zelda.
August 23, 2006 - 10:54 AM on August 23rd, 2006
oh my god.. are you fucking kidding me?
Did Zelda’s crack pipe make it around to you, SF?
Do you really think that we are that far away from a nuclear device, a chemical attack on a major US city by these animals, resulting in tens, if not hundreds of thousands dead? You better wake up.
August 23, 2006 - 12:20 PM on August 23rd, 2006
I have a suggestion, Why don’t we invent some kind of unmanned spaceship mega destroyer with lasers and nukes and swords and stuff and a mind ray and then have it destroy all the forces of evil that stand against us like the commies and the muslims and the africans ’cause the’re next and penguins and fire ants ooo ooo I forgot a passport checker so it can kill the illegals too… did I forget anything.
Sincerely, Red aged 5
Grow up people listen to Zelda she’s the only one making sense on this post
August 23, 2006 - 12:33 PM on August 23rd, 2006
So are you saying that there is no threat of terrorist attacks in this country?
August 23, 2006 - 12:51 PM on August 23rd, 2006
of course he is Peejz.. he’s in the “What terrorism?” camp.
allow me to recap
” November 1979: Muslim extremists (Iranian variety) seized the U.S. embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days, following Democrat Jimmy Carter’s masterful foreign policy granting Islamic fanaticism its first real foothold in the Middle East.
” 1982: Muslim extremists (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2 years.
” April 1983: Muslim extremists (Islamic Jihad or possibly Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.
” October 1983: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S. Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.
” December 1983: Muslim extremists (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.
” September 1984: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) exploded a truck bomb at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut, killing 24 people, including two U.S. servicemen.
” December 1984: Muslim extremists (probably Hezbollah) hijacked a Kuwait Airways airplane, landed in Iran and demanded the release of the 17 members of al-Dawa who had been arrested for the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing two Americans before the siege was over.
” June 14, 1985: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) hijacked TWA Flight 847 out of Athens, diverting it to Beirut, taking the passengers hostage in return for the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as another 700 prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, the Muslims shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac.
” October 1985: Muslim extremists (Palestine Liberation Front backed by Libya) seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, killing 69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer by shooting him and then tossing his body overboard.
” December 1985: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed airports in Rome and Vienna, killing 20 people, including five Americans.
” April 1986: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed a discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen in West Berlin, injuring hundreds and killing two, including a U.S. soldier.
” December 1988: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 on board and 11 on the ground.
(Then came an amazing, historic pause in Muslim extremists’ relentless war on America after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by doing the opposite of everything recommended by Democrats, depriving Islamic terrorists of their Soviet sponsors. This confuses liberals because they don’t understand the concept of terror sponsors, whether it’s the Soviet Union or Iraq.)
” February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.
” Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI’s lower Manhattan headquarters.
” November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian “Party of God”) explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.
” June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.
” August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.
” October 2000: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) blow up the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.
” Sept. 11, 2001: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) hijack commercial aircraft and fly planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans.
August 23, 2006 - 01:09 PM on August 23rd, 2006
No, I’m just lampooning the notion that there is some kind of magic bullet that will eliminate or even mitigate that risk.
If I can shed my own light on what Zelda was saying, is that the effect of terrorism is actually negligible in comparison to other life ending events we deal with on a day to day basis, sure you put on your seatbelt, you buy a car that has its 5 star crash rating, but you never even think about not using your car.
Terrorism’s more far reaching effect is not the lives that are lost in the attacks it is the shaking of confidence, the withdrawal of both individuals and the nation on the whole from going about their normal activities and the hit on the economy as people opt for more security and less free spiritedness options. If you succumb to these urges then they have achieved the success they were after.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not suggesting that we relax our safety precautions against terrorism just keep it all in perspective and have a mind towards the global effects of our actions, like it or not we are the authority in the world as it stands closing the door on the rest of the world and sticking our fingers in our ears going “na na na na I can’t here you”has proven before to be a very dangerous approach
I wish there was more time for me to craft this better but there you have it in it’s raw state, be kind.
August 23, 2006 - 01:20 PM on August 23rd, 2006
Mike, Thanks for the history lesson, but I am perfectly aware of Islamic terrorism. I have lived with terrorism all my life, I used to think it would be a good idea to place delolition chages along the border with Ireland and blow the islant off in to the atlantic… when I was 10… I’m just trying to point out the practicalities of the situation.
August 23, 2006 - 01:28 PM on August 23rd, 2006
and what “practicalities” do you see in the mayhem detailed above?
August 23, 2006 - 01:33 PM on August 23rd, 2006
yes, Irish car bombs, killings, etc. were horrible.. but I don’t recall Paddy McDaddy beheading women in name of the shamrock.
this is a whole new level of animals we are dealing with…
August 23, 2006 - 01:55 PM on August 23rd, 2006
“Terrorism’s more far reaching effect is not the lives that are lost in the attacks it is the shaking of confidence, the withdrawal of both individuals and the nation on the whole from going about their normal activities and the hit on the economy as people opt for more security and less free spiritedness options. If you succumb to these urges then they have achieved the success they were after.”
Exactly.
August 23, 2006 - 02:05 PM on August 23rd, 2006
35 I remember Paddy McDaddy calling protestant cab companies to pick him up and when the guy came to the door shooting him in the head at point blank range. AND for that matter I can remember equally traumatic British terrorists doing the same to catholics. And beheading the enemy is hardly a “new” tactic either, there are plenty of incidences of it happening right here in this great country, not to mention throughout history….
August 23, 2006 - 02:24 PM on August 23rd, 2006
#36, yes, exactly, and I am pleased that you finally understand that. It is what we have been saying for weeks on numerous threads. Good to see you’re on board now.
August 23, 2006 - 02:30 PM on August 23rd, 2006
Robert, their answer is not the same as ours though
ours is to kill them
theirs is to pretend they don’t exist, and hope they aren’t killed.
August 23, 2006 - 02:36 PM on August 23rd, 2006
kill them all…. how exactly?
I don’t pretend it doesn’t exist I accept the risk and go about my life.
August 23, 2006 - 03:01 PM on August 23rd, 2006
“#36, yes, exactly, and I am pleased that you finally understand that. It is what we have been saying for weeks on numerous threads”
??? Did you even read what I’m agreeing with? I think the poster is “exactly” right that when paranoid and scared people like yourselves succumb to “the shaking of confidence, the withdrawal of both individuals and the nation on the whole from going about their normal activities and the hit on the economy as people opt for more security and less free spiritedness options” – then the terrorists have “won”.
People like you need to get some backbone.
August 23, 2006 - 03:04 PM on August 23rd, 2006
“kill them all:. how exactly?”
Redfred – remember, these friendly folks here at RV are the EXTREME right wing of their ideology.
There are more than a few people here who would gladly support a policy of putting Muslim men in “camps” or making them wear identifying marks showing themselves as Muslim…maybe a Red Crescent armband. Ask them!
August 23, 2006 - 03:10 PM on August 23rd, 2006
42- I don’t think that any id tags are necessary. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with profiling. I am not alone in this as the majority feels that we must do it, but alas, the law won’t allow it!
August 23, 2006 - 03:14 PM on August 23rd, 2006
“…but alas, the law won’t allow it!”
…One of a million reasons why the US is a great nation.
August 23, 2006 - 03:20 PM on August 23rd, 2006
Of course it is..we are a society that knows how to work around the law:wink::wink:
August 23, 2006 - 03:35 PM on August 23rd, 2006
Or, at least, your president and his staff knows how!
August 23, 2006 - 03:53 PM on August 23rd, 2006
29.
The question was:
You have 300 Billion dollars to spend to make America safer. How would you spend it???
I simply answered that question, and not necessarily in a way directly correlated to terrorism. What I propose makes America much safer, as we would no longer be in the business of other countries and religion’s affairs.
THAT is the single biggest step we can take to make ourselves safer- mind our own business. We need to worry about what WE are doing and less about what others are doing. Deny rthat if you wish, but if you do it is very revealing.
August 23, 2006 - 06:27 PM on August 23rd, 2006
#41: You read what you want to read out of things.
August 23, 2006 - 06:29 PM on August 23rd, 2006
42: Your mental illness is surfacing again. Get help—quickly!!!