Why Should Joe Back Other Candidates?
The left is in one of their better, aha, gotcha, see I told you so rantings. As usual, it is filled with idiocy. Why the fuss? Well Joe had the audacity to say; “I’m a non-combatant,” Lieberman declared. “I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.” Fair enough. Is he to spend his time campaigning for those that aren’t endorsing him? I think not! And, where did he say he doesn’t back them? He said he won’t be involved in other races.
The ususal idiots are involved:
Jane Hamsher / Firedoglake: The Wonder Years ” I must say I was thoroughly charmed :
Tim Tagaris / Ned Lamont for Senate: Nobody. But. Himself.
Kirby / Connecticut Bob: Meanwhile, Back at the Blog… It was a cool, rainy day here in Connecticut today.
DemFromCT / The Next Hurrah: More CT Scorecards
DownWithTyranny!: LIEBERWHORE MOVES ONE STEP CLOSER TO PUBLICLY ADMITTING HE’S NOTHING :
David Sirota / Sirotablog: De Facto Republican Lieberman Refuses to Endorse Dem Candidates
John Amato / Crooks and Liars: It’s all about him ” New Haven: : I think Harry Reid should give him the boot now.
Ron Chusid / Liberal Values: Lieberman Won’t Support Fellow Democratic Candidates
Mcjoan / Daily Kos: CT-Sen: Lieberman for Lieberman ” Not only has Joe usurped :
Pachacutec / Firedoglake: Who Will Be First to Call for Joe’s Official Expulsion?
Mark Pazniokas / Hartford Courant: Joe Down Low On Ballot
Judd / Think Progress: Rep. Shays (R-CT): To Succeed In Iraq, We Need A Timetable For Withdrawal
Steve Soto / The Left Coaster: Afternoon Quick Hits – Another Shot At Hillary From A 90’s Mudslinger
Chris Bowers / MyDD: CT-Sen: Lieberman refuses to back Democratic candidates
Ron Beasley / Middle Earth Journal: If this isn’t enough……
Tparty / LamontBlog: Lieberman To Campaign With Rob Simmons (R) Today
spazeboy: Lamont Acts Blue, Lieberman Acts Republican
August 26, 2006 - 11:48 AM on August 26th, 2006
By only appearing with Republicans, Joe is not non-partisan. Further, you misinterpret or willfully ignore Lieberman’s stated in tent to be an “independent Democrat”.
Joe wants it both ways. He can’t have it both ways. Further, he’s confusing the voters. After all, he was for Bush’s Iraq plan before he was against it, and he’s closer to Farrell’s position on timetables than Shays’.
“As usual, it is filled with idiocy.”
No, actually not. There’s quite a bit of substance here. Chris Shays has really thrown Joe a curveball and exposed the mixed messages in the Party of One. Joe’s going to have a heckuva time explaining why he’s attacking Lamont but not Shays. More importantly, he’ going to have to explain what he really means without the “helping the terrorists” nonsense the right likes to distract with.
A real debate about real issues in CT. Fancy that.http://rightvoices.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif
August 26, 2006 - 03:38 PM on August 26th, 2006
He is appearing in a bi-partisan event, that has nothing to do with campaigning, but everything to do with revenue to the state, so please explain how he has chosen to side with the right? Grown adults that may not agree on everything with their co-workers are still able to fulfill their job duties.
What am I missing in Joe’s words? I happen to read them, do you? He is running as an independent with every intention of voting Democratic, as he always does..well that is except for the war…Much like Hillary.
BTW, why does your IP come from St. Louis? Isn’t that sending mixed messages?
August 26, 2006 - 04:21 PM on August 26th, 2006
Although all candidates have very serious issues that raises doubts in my mind, it appeared to me that Lieberman was one of the better hopes for the Dems. He was one of the few centrists that didn’t follow the radicals (like Gore and Dean) call. It is a shame, because there is no real alternative to vote for anymore. It is unfortunate that the party is taking the radical route. If JFK were alive he’d be truely ashamed of his party.
Both of these parties suck.
August 26, 2006 - 04:24 PM on August 26th, 2006
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Why can’t Libeman have it both ways? Your position seems to be the definition of partisanship more so than his.
August 26, 2006 - 05:59 PM on August 26th, 2006
He can hang with Rs and Ds, moderates and centrists; I’m all for that. But he cannot claim to be a Democrat and help elect Republican congresspeople at the expense of Democrats.
Non-partisan/bipartisanship as defined since 2000 by George W Bush, the most partisan president since WWII (according to Pew and Gallup), has poisoned the well. These are partisan times.
For Joe to make the non/bipartisan pitch work, he needs to demonstate something for both sides. Where is the benefit to CT Democrats and moderates? For 5 years, he gives away but doesn’t get. That’s partly what was rejected in the primary.
Nor is Lamont a liberal/radical/lefty. He’s a moderate businessman from Greenwich, a mainstream Dem, whom Joe accused of voting with Republicans (horrors!) before he accused him of being too leftist. But he was elected by moderate CT suburbanites. The lefty charge won’t stick because it’s too silly. People here know better. Don’t forget, folks, this is a race for Sen from CT and not Sen from the US.
Cheers, and nice talking with you!
August 26, 2006 - 07:40 PM on August 26th, 2006
But he cannot claim to be a Democrat and help elect Republican congresspeople at the expense of Democrats.
And from the Lamont blog: “Lieberman will appear with two prominent Republicans, Gov. M. Jodi Rell and U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2nd, to celebrate last year’s reversal of a Pentagon decision to close the Groton submarine base.”
Meanwhile, Ned Lamont (D) will be helping out Joe Courtney (D) today, who is challenging Simmons.
Lieberman had previously endorsed Courtney and exactly two weeks ago said he would continue to support Courtney as well as the other Democratic House candidates:
Lieberman said that he will continue to support the Democrats running for Congress even though they now support Lamont.
“It is a little bit harder, but I have endorsed the three of them,” he said. Lieberman endorsed Joe Courtney over Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2, and Chris Murphy over Rep. Nancy Johnson, R-5.
I followed the link from Lamonts blog and found that the article says:
Shays has supported the war and has endorsed Lieberman.
“Joe Lieberman is my friend. I have tremendous respect for him. I’m sorry he lost the primary, but unlike my opponent, I look forward to voting for him in the general election,” he said.
I still can’t find a link saying that Joe is out stumping for republicans. I can’t find one because there isn’t one.
August 27, 2006 - 05:21 PM on August 27th, 2006
Appearing with Rell and Simmons doesn’t count? Only in your imagination.
As for Lieberman’s mixed messages, the Times covers the it well:
“It’s a little awkward for me now,”Mr. Lieberman said on Friday, speaking to reporters in New Haven. “I’m a noncombatant ” I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.â€
[On Saturday, a Lieberman campaign aide called to offer a clarification for this article. The aide, Dan Gerstein, said that the senator had endorsed all the Democratic candidates for the House and still hoped they would win.
[Mr. Gerstein said, however, that in light of their endorsement of Mr. Lamont, the senator did not expect the Democrats to ask him to campaign with them this fall.]
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/27/nyregion/27connecticut.html
A clarification was needed because Joe is changing positions every day. In the meantime, as the article notes:
Mr. Shays’s shift in position put Mr. Lieberman in an awkward position. In the past, he has sharply rejected the idea of setting any deadlines for removing troops from Iraq. But on Friday, when asked whether he could support Mr. Shays’s proposal, Mr. Lieberman hedged.
Sorry, fellas. Joe’s incoherent messages are going to be the story for the next few weeks.
August 27, 2006 - 05:29 PM on August 27th, 2006
But he cannot claim to be a Democrat and help elect Republican congresspeople…
Why not?
Non-partisan/bipartisanship as defined since 2000 by George W Bush, the most partisan president since WWII (according to Pew and Gallup), has poisoned the well. These are partisan times.
I disagree. The definition was actually refined in 2000 by Al Gore, as it was his rabid tirades that kicked this whole she-bang off. Yes, Bushco willingly picked up the torch also, but Algore is the one who statred this, so the Dems have no grounds on which to point fingers.
You included.
For Joe to make the non/bipartisan pitch work, he needs to demonstate something for both sides.
Hasn’t he already? He’s supported both Dems and Reps who are running
Yes, the CT race will be interesting. At this point, it appears that Lievberman could take this if he can drum up the financial support. In elections for federal public office, the person who spends the most wins 92% of the time.
Interesting, huh?
August 27, 2006 - 05:41 PM on August 27th, 2006
7- No, appearing with them doesn’t count. That is like saying that because Ted Kennedy was at The State Of The Union Address, he supports the POTUS. Joe is doing his job.
as for your link to the times:
While the Republicans cozy up to Mr. Lieberman, Democrats are in a careful dance with Mr. Lamont, a political newcomer who is still untested among a large swath of general-election voters.
Mr. Lieberman, who during three six-year terms became a Democratic stalwart in Connecticut, acknowledges that his independent campaign has placed him and his former Democratic allies in a predicament.
Indeed, all three of the Democratic Congressional candidates supported him in the primary but have now endorsed Mr. Lamont.
“It’s a little awkward for me now,”Mr. Lieberman said on Friday, speaking to reporters in New Haven. “I’m a noncombatant ” I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.”
[On Saturday, a Lieberman campaign aide called to offer a clarification for this article. The aide, Dan Gerstein, said that the senator had endorsed all the Democratic candidates for the House and still hoped they would win.
[Mr. Gerstein said, however, that in light of their endorsement of Mr. Lamont, the senator did not expect the Democrats to ask him to campaign with them this fall.]
Obviously reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? What part of this do you grasp. I think it would be better if we sttarted there.
Joe is suporting the Dems even though they have given their endorsement to Ned. Joe went to a rally that had both Reps and Dems at it. It was to support a victory for the state!
It really isn’t that difficult to comprehend this. Oh wait, ignorance is what the Kos machine has been paid to allure..my bad..you can’t help yourself!:roll: