MoveOn.Org:’Now it’s our party! We bought it, we own it!’
So said a MoveOn.org leader referring to the Democratic Party. Who is a major benefactor of MoveOn.org? None other than George Soros. What does George have to say? “American supremacy is the greatest threat to the world today.” George Soros contributed more than $300 million to liberal candidates and groups in 2004.
David Horowitz has this to say:
A small but enormously powerful group of radical forces are undermining America’s unity! And unless we get the word out far and wide, they’ll fulfill their plan and come power in 2008.
Why? Because right now, as it did 40 years ago, the radical left in America has in motion a plan to cost the United States a victory in war and topple a President in the process.
Who’s behind this threat to our security and to America’s two party system?The answers go to the heart of journalist Richard Poe’s and my book, The Shadow Party. In it we detail the movers, financiers and radicals who stay just out of sight as they pull the strings that control Hillary, Dean, John Kerry, Al Gore and the rest.
I think there is much truth to Horowitz’s stance. Granted, the arguement could be made that the religious right has hi-jacked the Republican party, but you would have a tough time arguing that they have bought the party.
In this case, many of us on the right have sat and watched the Democrats self destruct. It has always been my belief that the Democrats identified with the supporter near middle ground. Over the course of the past 6 years, the powers that be have steered far left and it is leaving the middle in the wake. I am not suggesting that they will lose party members to the right, but will have a large population not participating in the elections. Neither party can afford to have that happen.
Thoughts?
August 30, 2006 - 02:51 PM on August 30th, 2006
Just wait. Talk of Democratic Party self-destruction might be a bit premature in light of the upcoming elections that have them favored to win.
Personally, I kinda doubt they’ll take back control of the House, but it’s more of a possibility than it has been in a long time…
It’s possible that as far right as we’ve drifted in the past 6 years, a little left turn might be requested by the public.
We’ll see…
August 30, 2006 - 02:57 PM on August 30th, 2006
I said it n 2004 and I’ll say it here and now: George Soros is presently the single biggest threat to America.
August 30, 2006 - 02:57 PM on August 30th, 2006
Congratulations, moveon.org. And you’ll ride your victory right down the drain.
August 30, 2006 - 02:58 PM on August 30th, 2006
“George Soros is presently the single biggest threat to America.”
…maybe to American Conservatives. (!)
August 30, 2006 - 03:01 PM on August 30th, 2006
4-That is a close minded statement.
Any individual that, either liberal or conservative, that has the ill begotten amount of money as Soros and uses that money to undermine the electoral process of our governement is a threat to both liberals and conservatives.
August 30, 2006 - 03:08 PM on August 30th, 2006
No, anything that makes us on the Left win, we like! It’s good! We on the left don’t care what it takes, what may be destroyed in the process! We are out to win, win win!
August 30, 2006 - 03:11 PM on August 30th, 2006
Robert.
LAME.
August 30, 2006 - 03:14 PM on August 30th, 2006
Woodshed: Using money to undermine the electoral process is old hat to Republicans.
Big Industry, Big Energy, the list of Big Wallet donors to your “team” goes on and on…
August 30, 2006 - 03:21 PM on August 30th, 2006
8.
Yes, it is old hat for Republicans and Democrats alike. But using that fact to justify Soro’s past deeds is no better- you are as guilty as either any of them for condoning that behaviour on a partisaned line.
August 30, 2006 - 03:27 PM on August 30th, 2006
Political donations from the Chinese to Clinton-Gore?
“No controlling legal authority.”
August 30, 2006 - 03:32 PM on August 30th, 2006
10.
Sasha, that ids a true statement, but if one researches it carefully, one will find that Clinton has many of the same finab=ncial connections as Bush Senior.
The point here is that no one political party has their hands entirely clean. However, Soros is a different animal all together. He actually thinks he knows what is best for America, and wants to control it to impose his will. He has supported candidates from both parties (McCain from the Repubs and Kerry from the Dems, just for starters). He isn’t interested in the Democratic process, he wants to be king.
This is why he is so dangerous.
August 30, 2006 - 03:35 PM on August 30th, 2006
SF- take a look at the past 6 years…every election cycle, the left is winning in August, yet when November rolls around they lose! And when I said a turn left, I meant a sharp turn left. What happens when you try to over correct a spin on ice? That is what we see happening…
As for George..come on SF..you know he is a problem!
August 30, 2006 - 03:38 PM on August 30th, 2006
11- Very true. He wants our country to be run like European countries….I wouldn’t go so far as to say king..but close!
August 30, 2006 - 03:42 PM on August 30th, 2006
sf- To be clear, when I refer to the destruction of the democrats, I mean the democratic party as we know it.
August 30, 2006 - 03:44 PM on August 30th, 2006
13.
Techniclly, Hitler was a chancellor but the people allowed him to take over anyway. While people like SFL wring thier hands about people like Bush spewing forth nonsense like “facsist” and “dictator” they turn around and blindly endorse someone like Soros because he “promotes an open society”. Soros is bad for our governement, period. That goes for both Dems a Reps and any one else who lauds truly loving their country.
August 30, 2006 - 03:59 PM on August 30th, 2006
Honestly, I don’t see what the big deal is about him with you people.
He seems like a man who loves democracy, after having spent much of his life in Communist Hungary:
“His support for the Solidarity labor movement in Poland, as well as the Czechoslovakian human rights organization Charter 77, contributed to ending the Soviet Union’s rule in those nations. His funding and organization of Georgia’s Rose Revolution was considered by Russian and Western observers to have been crucial to its success, although Soros said his role has been “greatly exaggerated.” In the United States, he is known for having donated large sums of money to efforts to defeat President George W. Bush’s bid for re-election.”
August 30, 2006 - 04:01 PM on August 30th, 2006
The man just earned my respect for this:
On Terror: “How can we escape from the trap that the terrorists have set us?” he asked. “Only by recognizing that the war on terrorism cannot be won by waging war. We must, of course, protect our security; but we must also correct the grievances on which terrorism feeds…. Crime requires police work, not military action.”
EXACTLY.
August 30, 2006 - 04:03 PM on August 30th, 2006
On drug legalization: Mike Kilo might dig this…
“I’ll tell you what I’d do if it were up to me. I would establish a strictly controlled distribution network through which I would make most drugs, excluding the most dangerous ones like crack, legally available. Initially I would keep the prices low enough to destroy the drug trade. Once that objective was attained I would keep raising the prices, very much like the excise duty on cigarettes, but I would make an exception for registered addicts in order to discourage crime. I would use a portion of the income for prevention and treatment. And I would foster social opprobrium of drug use.”
August 30, 2006 - 04:07 PM on August 30th, 2006
16.
It seems par for the course that hold a good part of ignorance regarding many of the topic you address here.
Perhaps you don’t know of his connections with the Carlyle group (yes, of bin Laden fame).
That as a currency speculator, he’s like a vampire sucking off the well being of millions of people world wide?
Was the owner of Harken Energy, and bought its declining shares so that George W Bush could make a million dollars. His reason to do that: “political influence.”
That he is connected to drug cartles.
That he manipulated NcCain/Feingold so that he could use Moveon.org to attain his goals of dominion in America.
All this, and he wants to impose his will not just on me, butyou too SFL.
August 30, 2006 - 04:09 PM on August 30th, 2006
18.
Good point. Drug legalization and control of distribution is another Soros plot to control the people he distributes to.
August 30, 2006 - 04:16 PM on August 30th, 2006
Bah! I’ve read some of those too…I’m sure some of it is legitimate and some not…but you know what? He’s playing for the right team right now, and we need all the help we can get to take back control.
Sooo…
August 30, 2006 - 04:17 PM on August 30th, 2006
“All this, and he wants to impose his will not just on me, butyou too SFL.”
And partisan hacks on YOUR side, don’t?
please.
August 30, 2006 - 04:51 PM on August 30th, 2006
“… Crime requires police work, not military action.â€
Yes, yes, YES!!! Terrorism is a crime, that’s it! When Al Qaeda and the others announced their declared war on the U.S., why what they were talking about was simply an increase in crime! It calls for POLICE work!
Send in the cops! Here’s a plan:
1. Start by writing parking tickets. ANY vehicle owned by a terrorist gets cited, then when they pile up, the veh. gets towed! That’ll fix ‘em! And it will eliminate car bombs.
2. Run the terrorists for warrants. Surely they have some. Arrest any that do. Now since we can’t profile, we’ll have to rely on terrorists to wlak up to a police officer and request a warrants check.
3. Arrest terorrists for DUI. Who cares if they aren’t drunk? Cuff ‘em, tow their car, if they come out low on the blood test, who cares? The point is they got hassled.
And that’s just the start! They’ll be so annoyed, so harassed, so intimidated, that they’ll give up and go home. Then all will be well.
What do you think SFL?
August 30, 2006 - 05:02 PM on August 30th, 2006
“What do you think SFL?”
I think you’re a nice guy, but you’re probably more than a bit wacky.
August 30, 2006 - 05:04 PM on August 30th, 2006
“…Crime requires police work, not military action.”
And a prime example of this being 100% true would be the recent arrests in London.
August 30, 2006 - 05:05 PM on August 30th, 2006
He seems like a man who loves democracy, after having spent much of his life in Communist Hungary:
Much of his life? Are you high? He lived there for 17 years. He is 76 years old…he didn’t even spend a 1/4 of his life there.
August 30, 2006 - 05:07 PM on August 30th, 2006
So what you are saying SF is that you don’t agree with the decision to go into Afganistan?
August 30, 2006 - 05:37 PM on August 30th, 2006
And a prime example of this being 100% true would be the recent arrests in London.
Oh, you mean those arrests they got by doing things the Left doesn’t want our Gov’t doing here?
August 30, 2006 - 05:44 PM on August 30th, 2006
SFL, what we have been saying here for months, and you refuse to acknowledge, is that this new type of warfare takes all the resources we have, including the military, LE agencies, and even the public doing their part to support this nation.
But you are advocating the Klinton approach: Just let the Justice Dept. handle it—except without many of the tools they need to track down and find these terror cells among us.
The Klinton approach was tried for far too long and only allowed the problem to fester. To employ the Klinton method, with even less capability than before, is a formula for failure, defeat, and national suicide.
Thank God the adults are back in charge.
And if you think some of my posts are wacky, they are only reflecting the level of the positions taken in some of your posts.
August 30, 2006 - 05:45 PM on August 30th, 2006
#26: “I grew up in Hungary, lived through fascism and the Holocaust, and then had a foretaste of communism. I learned at an early age how important it is what kind of government prevails. I chose America as my home because I value freedom and democracy, civil liberties and an open society. When I had made more money than I needed for myself and my family, I set up a foundation to promote the values and principles of a free and open society.”
August 30, 2006 - 05:47 PM on August 30th, 2006
“…the Klinton method, with even less capability than before, is a formula for failure, defeat, and national suicide.”
Uhhhh….Robert? Iraq.
Failure. Defeat. AND National Suicide all wrapped up in one.
Can’t blame that on “K”linton. (!)
August 30, 2006 - 05:48 PM on August 30th, 2006
#21 That’s right he may be like Satan but he’s batting for our side so he’s ok! Like I said anything that makes us on the Left win, we like! It’s good! We on the left don’t care what it takes, what may be destroyed in the process! We are out to win, win, win!
Wreck America, whatever, as long as we win, it’s okay! We’ll pick up the pieces later!
August 30, 2006 - 05:50 PM on August 30th, 2006
Uhhhh:.Robert? Iraq.
Failure. Defeat. AND National Suicide all wrapped up in one.
Can’t blame that on “Kâ€linton. (!)
Wow, you’ve graduated! I thought the Left only wanted us to lose in Iraq, claimed we were losing…I didn’t realized that the Left has actually proclaimed that we have lost in Iraq! That real news! Wow!
August 30, 2006 - 05:51 PM on August 30th, 2006
You cannot and will not defeat terrorism with military might.
It’s just not going to happen. Look at Iraq. Look at Israels failure to defeat Hezbollah.
You people are just going to keep f*cking up until someone else comes along and teaches you how it’s done.
August 30, 2006 - 05:52 PM on August 30th, 2006
“Wreck America, whatever, as long as we win”
Robert, your team has pretty much done that over the last 6 years of exclusive republican control. Everything has gotten worse while your team was in control.
The people know that, and that’s why Republicans are doing so poorly right now.
August 30, 2006 - 05:53 PM on August 30th, 2006
Yes we saw well well appeasment has worked SF. Hence we have Alqaeda, Hezzbollah,North Korea, Iran etc.. great job!
August 30, 2006 - 05:53 PM on August 30th, 2006
Here’s what Soros, who should pack up and move back to Commieland, perhaps really meant in the quote of post 30:
I grew up in Hungary, lived through fascism and the Holocaust, and then had a foretaste of communism. So now that I’ve made a lot of money, I want to set up the same kind of fascsim and totalitarianism in America! And I can see that the Left, with political correctness, is just the vehicle to do so!
August 30, 2006 - 05:53 PM on August 30th, 2006
“I didn’t realized that the Left has actually proclaimed that we have lost in Iraq! That real news! Wow!”
That’s because you don’t pay attention to reality. You and your ilk live in a fantasy world.
Seriously, Iraq is gone. Loooong gone. And “you” are to blame.
August 30, 2006 - 05:56 PM on August 30th, 2006
“Yes we saw well well appeasment has worked SF. Hence we have Alqaeda, Hezzbollah,North Korea, Iran etc.. great job!”
Nobody on the Left is saying “appeasement”, that’s just a baseless slur your side uses to try and get ahead in the argument.
And, Peejz, your team has done GREAT in dealings with Iran, North Korea, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda. It’s like, problem solved, right?!?
August 30, 2006 - 05:57 PM on August 30th, 2006
You cannot and will not defeat terrorism with military might.
I’ll get out the two by four and repeat it once again:
SFL, what we have been saying here for months, and you refuse to acknowledge, is that this new type of warfare takes all the resources we have, including the military, LE agencies, and even the public doing their part to support this nation.
whack, whack, whack! Get it now? NOBODY is saying the military alone can do it. You are pissing up a rope with that argument!
August 30, 2006 - 05:57 PM on August 30th, 2006
going home, guys. Goodnight!
until tomorrow…
August 30, 2006 - 06:02 PM on August 30th, 2006
…dealings with Iran, North Korea, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda.
“Dealings” with them?
Iran belongs to Jimmy Carter, peanut brain idiot and Democrite Liberal icon.
North Korea? What has the Bush Admin done with NK? It was the Klinton Admin. that stupidly appeased and believed the lying Communist leadership. Any Conservative would know just using common sense not to do that.
Hezbollah? Huh? What has the Bush admin. had to do with Hezbollah? And if Israel didn’t have to look over its shoulder and worry about world political correctness, it would have eliminated Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. No fault of the Right.
Al Qaeda: Ah, yes, they have been getting their ass kicked all over. Most of the leadership is dead or in custody. They have suffered huge losses. The only reason they keep on is because they are fanatic wackos, plus they’re counting on the fifth column here to help them by undermining the war effort.
August 30, 2006 - 06:42 PM on August 30th, 2006
21.
Playing for the right side now? He doesn’t play for any side you dolt. You may as well ally yourself with George Bush.
I don’t want to impose my will on anyone. I believe gay marriage is against the principals of God, but I also believe that I have no right to impose my religious beleifs on the people of my country so I’m in favor of civil unions, even though that action is one ingrediant that will lead to the downfall of our civilization.
22.
What you haven’t realized yet is that I have only one side, and that is America. Ask most people here who know me, and they will tell you have have no partisan affiliations. I hate both parties (both are a complete waste of my time) and thier talking point partisan hacks.
But, just like the partisan hacks on both sides of the isle, if I disagree with you then I an a Fascistsneonazicon or a Gaycommiedemocrat.
Both of your posts are wonderful examples of what is exactly wrong with America today. Again, I pity you for not understanding the principals of this great nation.
August 30, 2006 - 06:47 PM on August 30th, 2006
Terrorism requires military action when it is state sponsored. You can not approach the governement of Afganistan, Iran, Iraq Pakistan or Saudi Arabia and place their entire governement under arrest. The notion is absurd.
August 30, 2006 - 06:50 PM on August 30th, 2006
31.
While Iraq is indeed a struggle and granted Bush post invasion approach was poorly planned and executed, I don’t see where we have lost Iraq. This is an unfounded conclusion to a conflict that is not yet concluded.
August 30, 2006 - 07:38 PM on August 30th, 2006
Both of your posts are wonderful examples of what is exactly wrong with America today. Again, I pity you for not understanding the principals of this great nation.
SFL needs to hear it from another source.
August 30, 2006 - 09:27 PM on August 30th, 2006
Thats becuase the deamcRATS have the same infamous plans as that of the left-wing MOVE.ON i mean what MOVE,ON realy stands for is MOVE ON TOWARD THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND A SOCIALIST WORLD GOVERMENT and our do nothing politicians are all part of it and so is the evil CFR and others of our enemies:mad:
August 30, 2006 - 09:56 PM on August 30th, 2006
“We need more Democrats in the Senate”like Custer needed more arrows.”"Ronald Reagan
August 31, 2006 - 08:13 AM on August 31st, 2006
“We need more Democrites in Congress like a dog needs more fleas.”
Robert, 2006.
August 31, 2006 - 08:30 AM on August 31st, 2006
WE NEED MORE DEMACRATS IN THE GOVERMENT LIKE A BIRD NEEDS MORE CATS IN THE NEIRGBORHOOD:razz: