Gee, bombing the shit out of Muslims, then occupying their country with your inbred army pisses them off–what a surprise. Thank god we’re not in the business of nation building or this would really be a PR disaster.

The above is the statement of an ignoranus.

Here’s something else: In any market, the sign of trouble, of impending correction, is when most of the sales activity is being done by speculators. For example, the housing market. In Northern Kalifornia, which has very high real estate prices, by the middle of last year it seemed like most of the residential properties were being purchased by speculators/investors. People who wanted to buy them, rent them for a few years, then sell and take a fat quick profit. Or those who wanted to “flip” the properties in escrow.

Sure enough, when the buyers who want to live in them can no longer afford them, the market cools down and corrects. That is what is happening now.

And it is NOT Bush’s fault…

Take a look at the economic benefits of keeping the dollar low vs strengthening it.

We have been talking about fixing Social Security for 30 years. Obviously you are new to the discussion.

Quality of life? Just what does that mean? Jobs? Well, you can kiss the blue collar portion of the middle class, as we have known it, goodbye. There will not be the GMS, Fords and Chryslers again. The unions destroyed what was the best opportunity for a person, not going on to college, to have a ‘good’ job. What is the incentive to hire a citizen at higher wage than an illegal? Or are you referring to those bogus statistics where it says people make less? You mean overtime was cut? Let’s get into personal debt…Democrats have been dropping hints that this will be one of their issues? Where exactly do you see a role for our government to play because your neighbor bought a home that she can’t afford, runs up her credit cards, and doesn’t understand about savings? It isn’t the job of government to step in because we have a generation of people that need the latest and greatest of everything, or take trips that aren’t prepaid. Have you ever studied the tax codes to see the deductions that the $60,000 and under can take? Check out the medical deductions while you are at it.

Where did you get the idea that you could lead your life without wiretaps and prisons? Did you miss the portion of the COTUS that deals with issues above and beyond the 5th amendment?

Our country has been the bane of the world since 1912..what exactly is your point? People love us when they need something. With all of the animosity that you seem so worried about, who is it that is called to every issue facing the world? the USA. It is the price we pay for being a great nation.

Because the Dems are bigger idiots than the Reps. Even fter the PR campaign they’ve waged against the Reps, they still have a solid chance of losing Congress in ‘06 and more than likely will lose the Presidenitial elections in ‘08.

That said, five years after 9/11 you have nothing to substantiate this assumption. If you wish to compare legacies we could compare that with five to eight years previous to 9/11, but I believe it would be unfavorable. As for Bush’s legacy, no one will be able to predict this for years to come and to make that assumption is plain idiotic at this point.

“Gee, bombing the shit out of Muslims, then occupying their country with your inbred army pisses them off–what a surprise.”

Do I sense a disdain for the military here? What a suprise…OOC, since this is “our” army, where do you reside?

You are flatly wrong here. It pisses off a small minority of Muslims (of which, only the Iraqi Muslims are relevant) who was the ruling class in Iraq for the last 30 years. And yes, I am aware of the polls that say 80%+ of Iraqis do not want their country occupied. That is a loaded question, as no person wants their country occupied. However, to evetually stabilize their country it is a necesary evil, and most realize this too.

“Thank god we’re not in the business of nation building or this would really be a PR disaster.”

Exactly, even though the misplaces sense of sarcasm is noted. I’ve got two words for you: “Marshall Plan”.

Interesting, as you’ve moved from “Your” to “we’re” here though.

Thanks for the great series of non-responses.

Going down the line:

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P2: Gore’s objection isn’t to the initial Bush and co. response to 9/11, it’s to the current war in Iraq. Are you still conflating Iraq and Afghanistan? Even after the president has now admitted that SH had not relation to the terrorist attack? Admittedly there are now thousands of Iraqis who would love to shed blood on American soil, so I guess that the connection that Bush, Cheney, et alia lied about has become something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. I’m sure that Gore, Clinton, or anyone else could have done a similarly marvelous job of not finding Bin-Laden.

P3: I’m not sure how the stuff about the Clinton administration, which I’m not interested in defending, has much to do with what I wrote (remember: Democrats aren’t really on the left). In terms of the economy, the dow alone doesn’t nec. translate to a stronger dollar or a higher quality of life. The dollar is still being crushed by the Euro, for example. Tax cuts have historically created a brief spike followed by a massive plunge. This case doesn’t look any different.

P4: Apparently the cost of liberty is wiretapping, secret prisons, pointless war abroad, a poisoned international community, lies to the populace, etc. What exactly do you mean by liberty? Or was your statement–as I suspect it was–something that you got off a bumper sticker?

P1: …

P2: You can only imagine and hope Gore would’ve handled the situation the way Bush did. Instead, you have only his total objection to going to war.

P3: Pardon me, but if memory serves, Clinton’s folks were cooking the books well before 2001. Clinton’s former Treasury Secretary was the one making calls to the Bush admin. to try to bail out Enron and Citibank, until he was told to stop calling because it was inappropriate.

As it is, the Dow is back up to near record levels, we’ve had tax cuts, which has always stimulated the economy, and the world has not gone spinning off its axis. Bush sent a message that the US is not a paper tiger and exposed who our real friends are.

P4: What is the cost of liberty?

As far as Gore’s hypothetical handling of 9/11 goes, I imagine that it would have been nearly the same as Bush’s. Ditto Kerry, or Hilary, or Ted Kennedy, or Jimmy Carter, or whatever other boogeyman haunts yr. dreams. One of (certainly not the only) tragedy of le droit is that it actually believes that the Democrats are on the left. Actually, the same corporations that paid for Bush’s election in 2000 paid for Gore’s. In 2004, the same folks owned Bush and Kerry. This stuff is a matter of public record and you should be able to find it online and elsewhere fairly easily. Both parties are nests of vipers.

If you insist on distinguishing Coke and Pepsi–great. You’ve had six years in office and a congressional majority. If everything’s fucked (the dollar, international relations, social security, etcetera) because of Clinton’s legacy, your guy has had plenty of time to deal with it.

Re: The absence of one, two, many 9/11s. If the right is to be believed, we’re under a constant quiet seige that may or may not flare up at any moment. Admittedly this isn’t as theatrical as falling towers but it hardly suggests that GWB has made the world or our own backyard a more American-friendly place.