Rosie Takes On The NRA
I have been watching The View and Rosie went off on gun control due to the Amish School shooting. From the police: Police: School Shooter Told Wife He Molested Young Relatives 20 Years Ago Rosie questioned whether the COTUS does give you the right to bear arms, and proceeded to rip on the NRA because it is too powerful in her opinon. Elizabeth gave it back as quickly as Rosie could spit it out…they were to resume the converstion after the commercial, but something must have happened as the subject was changed, no more talk about guns.
“I think there should be a law — and I know this is extreme — that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail.”
- Rosie O’Donnell, April 21, 1999:
“I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say ‘Sorry.’ it’s 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.”
- Rosie O’Donnell, 1999:
According to a May 25 AP article, Rosie O’Donnell has asked for permission to allow a bodyguard to accompany her and her adopted son to kindergarten in the fall. While she claims the bodyguard will not carry a firearm on the trips to school, he has applied for a permit to carry a concealed firearm, and the article states that O’Donnell can accept the guard being armed at times.
O’Donnell said she can reconcile her support of gun control with the guard being armed on occasion. O’Donnell said, “I don’t personally own a gun, but if you are qualified, licensed and registered, I have no problem.”
October 3, 2006 - 09:58 AM on October 3rd, 2006
This may sound paranoid but here goes anyway. Aside from the fact it is clearly stated in the COTUS that we have the ‘right to bear arms’ and I’m not talking about your left and right appendages but firearms we are going to need them in the future if the dems get elected into office.
To fight terrorists on our shores, within our borders, is going to require weapons and everyone’s going to need one. I myself don’t like guns but I understand their importance. Apparently Rosie does as well….what a hypocrite.
October 3, 2006 - 10:11 AM on October 3rd, 2006
Bon Bon-Nothing paranoid in what you said.:smile: There are too many people from the left that hold this right dear to their hearts, hence it really isn’t an issue we see as a hot button issue. This really isn’t a partisandebate imo. I have been educated here as I have questioned the need for the strength of some of these weapons(AK47s). I came to realize that because it wasn’t a hobby or sport of mine, I never took the time to learn about this particular amendment.
October 3, 2006 - 10:17 AM on October 3rd, 2006
You have a point Peejz. I question the need as well. What is out there is unreal. You have armor piercing bullets and I believe the AK47’s that you mention are like machine guns in that they fire bullets in rapid succession. This is definitely not helpful to law enforcement. I come from a place where lots of the guys hunt; duck, geese, and deer. They would be lost without their rifles and shotguns.
I’m not always sure though that those on the left would not start advocating a total disarmament (in spite of the photoops like John K’s.) I say that because of other issues I never thought the left would advocate. But that’s me
October 3, 2006 - 10:27 AM on October 3rd, 2006
Hey Bon Bon- I just watched Fox..the reports coming out are that the shooter was a child molester and dreamed of molesting again!
October 3, 2006 - 12:53 PM on October 3rd, 2006
Time for rosie to shut her big flapping piehole and quit trying to prove what a big mouth she is why dont she do us a real favor and shut up for a whole year:mad:
October 3, 2006 - 02:32 PM on October 3rd, 2006
Yeah, I saw the news. This man was definitely a sicko. Justice has been done.
October 3, 2006 - 03:14 PM on October 3rd, 2006
Rosie O is a fascist dyke. She hates Christians, Jews, and the Second Amendment!
October 3, 2006 - 11:24 PM on October 3rd, 2006
She never mentions how many “citizens” have saved their own lives and the lives of their families because they owned a gun does she?
My mother saved her own life in 1982 because she had her pistol in her car at a KMart parking lot. She took her gun out and actually aimed at a man who was only interested in harming her.
October 4, 2006 - 12:41 AM on October 4th, 2006
Okay, let me dispell a LOT of myths about firearms.
There has not to my knowledge been anyone killed by armor piercing bullets. Except for the extra heavy body armor worn by Swat teams, police body armor will not stop most rifle rounds. It may stop some of the lighter rifle rounds but that’s really iffy. Body armor is NOT, in reality, bullet proof. Most Police body armor will stop the far less powerful handgun rounds, but rifle rounds are another story.
AK47s are in fact not particularly powerful weapons. They can just hold a lot of rounds. The round itself isn’t even a very powerful round. There’s also the fallacy that the LEGAL SEMIAUTOMATIC ones are readily convertible to fully automatic. THIS IS A LIE perpetrated by the ANTI GUN crowd. In the year prior to the ban on “Assualt Weapons” passed by the Chicago city council, there were exactly ZERO crimes committed with the firearms that were subsequently banned as a means to “reduce crime”.
BATFE regulations have not permitted the importation or manufacture of fully automatic or weapons that can be readily converted to fully automatic for public sale since May of 1986. All receivers for fully automatic or selective fire weapons for transfer to private individuals had to be registered prior to that time. There is a NON refundable $200 transfer application tax that has to be paid before any NFA (National Firearms Act) weapons may be transferred to any individual. The application has to include fingerprints which will be checked against criminal records before the weapon may be transferred and the application may be denied if the fingerprints are smudged. Because of the scarcity of legally transferrable fully automatic weapons (they haven’t been made in 20 years) the prices have skyrocketed. Purchasers of selective fire/fully automatic weapons have been subject to background checks and registration since 1934 and in those 72 years, there are no records of a legally owned automatic weapon being used in the commission of a crime.
For your own information, I would highly recommend that you go to any gun dealer and ask to see a BATF form 4473. It is the form that must be filled out for any firearm that that dealer sells to a retail customer. On it is a long list of questions. The wrong answer to any of those questions disqualifies the individual from buying a firearm. With minor exceptions, these disqualifications have been in effect since the Gun Control Act of 1968 was signed into law. In addition to the form 4473, except in the case of individuals with concealed carry permits, all firearms purchasers have to submit to a background check with the FBI. While the check can take under 5 minutes, it can cause the purchase to be denied, delayed or granted.
Sorry about the rant, but I have read so much idiotic drivel on the topics of firearms and crime, I had to at least provide a little information on the topic. I personally think that the NRA needs to show ABC exactly how powerful an organization with over 3 million paid members can be. If you think ABC caved when Bill Clinton called, imagine what they’ll do when Sandy Froman calls the CEOs of the sponsors of “the View”. You don’t call the network, you contact the sponsors. There are few sponsors who will tell a well organized group with 3 million members to go pound sand.
October 4, 2006 - 07:10 AM on October 4th, 2006
FAO- That was no rant! That is fact based and filled wih information that challenged me to investigate.
How does membership in the NRA work? How does one become a member?
October 4, 2006 - 07:11 AM on October 4th, 2006
8- Sandy- I never knew that about your Mom! I would dare say she is here because of the gun!
October 4, 2006 - 03:48 PM on October 4th, 2006
THE REAL QUESTION: Who seriously listens to Rosie?
October 4, 2006 - 05:00 PM on October 4th, 2006
Sorry FAO, I have to contest some of your statements. FTR, I am a life long gun owner and a fervent pro second amendment as it was originally framed, not how it has been reframed dince the 50’s.
AK47s are in fact not particularly powerful weapons. They can just hold a lot of rounds. The round itself isn’t even a very powerful round.
It depends on the context. It is an extremely effective anti-personel weapon. The 7.62mm x39 rounds are not huge (comparable to our M-16 military rounds they are actually bigger, which are basically a .223 or 5.56×45 mm), but the muzzle velocity is very high. The rifle is extremely reliable, easy to field dress and the balance between fire rate and round is very effective
There’s also the fallacy that the LEGAL SEMIAUTOMATIC ones are readily convertible to fully automatic. THIS IS A LIE perpetrated by the ANTI GUN crowd.
No, it’s not a lie. An SKS can be bought at any gun show for $200.00. (The SKS is basically the semi-auto 10 round version of an AK with some other minor difference. It is based on the same design). A conversion kit is about $50.00 and I can usually buy them legally just down the isle at amost swap meets.
In the year prior to the ban on “Assualt Weapons”passed by the Chicago city council, there were exactly ZERO crimes committed with the firearms that were subsequently banned as a means to “reduce crimeâ€.
October 5, 2006 - 11:37 PM on October 5th, 2006
Ted, again I have to disagree with you. While the AK-47 is in fact a very reliable weapon, it is NOT easy to convert a semiautomatic one to fully automatic. The internal components aren’t the same. If you have the skill to remachine the receiver you might be able to convert it. AN SKS is NOT a 10 round version of an AK-47 though they are similar, the actions are NOT interchangeable. The receivers aren’t even close. While conversion kits may be available, and fully automatic parts are available, they are not drop in units nor are they LEGAL to install.
The 7.62 x 39 cartridge is considered an intermediate cartridge. It is larger in diameter than an M-16s 5.56 x 45 cartridge but the muzzle velocity is substantially less. According to my Speer reloading manual, the 5.56 round averages around 2900 ft per second, the 7.62 x 39 round on the other hand barely averages 2400 ft per second. By comparison the 30.06 round used in the M1 Garand during WWII was approaching 2900 ft per second with a heavier bullet. The 7.62 x 51 Nato round used in the M14, FAL, or G3 also drives a heavier bullet faster than the 7.62 x 39 round. All told the AK47 round is effective to about 200 meters, beyond that its low velocity causes the round to drop rapidly. I would happily give someone an AK with 30 rounds versus my 10 shot WWI British Short Magazine Lee Enfield as long as I get to pick the range. We’ll start at 600 meters. By the time they get within range of the AK, I’ll have put 3 or more rounds through them. Lots of rounds doesn’t necessarily mean effective. There are people who would take an 8 shot Garand and put rounds through them at 800 – 1000 yards. I don’t get out to the range enough for that.
As for joining the NRA, there are a lot of benefits to it including insurance should your firearms be stolen. You can find out more at http://www.nra.org. As for people using their firearms for self defense, there is a column in each monthly NRA magazine (one subscription free with membership). Membership is inexpensive. ($35 per year) For those who haven’t had a lot of exposure to firearms, the NRA offers a variety of training programs including ones geared towards women and they also sponsor a gun safety program for children.
October 5, 2006 - 11:42 PM on October 5th, 2006
BTW Peejz thanks for bringing up the NRA membership, I need to renew mine this month. I guess I’ll take care of that at the gun show this weekend.
October 6, 2006 - 06:22 PM on October 6th, 2006
I was watching the Military Channel the other night, and panel of experts ranked the to ten combat rifles. link
The list may be a bit subjective, but what top ten list isn’t?
October 6, 2006 - 09:00 PM on October 6th, 2006
That list is pretty complete for weapons that fire metallic cartridges. I can’t say much, I have a short magazine Lee Enfield and FAL in the safe, used to own a semiautomatic AK, and a bolt action Mauser, carried an 03A3 for a color guard and used an M16A1 while on active duty. Does that mean I’ve been exposed to 60% of the top battle rifles of the 20th Century? M14s, and Augs are too expensive, Garands are too heavy and Sturmgewehrs are too rare. Other than the Sturmgewehrs, I’ve handled and or fired all of the ones on the list. Of course having a couple of friends who were class 3 machine gun dealers (two were licensed class 2 manufacturers) probably means I’ve handled more weapons than most people will ever see outside of a museum.