Comments on: Study Claims Iraq’s ‘Excess’ Death Toll Has Reached 655,000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:20:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-258653 Peejz Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:21:03 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-258653 did you check <a href="http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/13/murtha-tells-moveon-members-screw-republicans/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/do-me-a-favor-stop-trying-to-save-my-brother/" rel="nofollow">here</a> or <a href="http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/carters-amnesia/" rel="nofollow">here</a>? did you check here, here or here?

]]> By: Zelda http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-258647 Zelda Fri, 20 Oct 2006 01:07:38 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-258647 No one knows how many "innocent" Iraqis have died. The real question is what can we do to restore order and stop the deaths? I find it interesting that there hasn't been a post here about Iraq or Afghanistan since this one. (Oct-19-2006) No one knows how many “innocent” Iraqis have died. The real question is what can we do to restore order and stop the deaths?

I find it interesting that there hasn’t been a post here about Iraq or Afghanistan since this one. (Oct-19-2006)

]]> By: Poster http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-256109 Poster Thu, 12 Oct 2006 20:40:17 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-256109 A rational take on the issue: <em>A controversial new study estimates the number of civilian casualties in Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003 to be as high as 600,000. Other estimates put the civilian body count at less than 50,000. But, like debating how many angels might dance on the point of a pit, debating death counts obscures the fundamental issue. It wasn't necessary for any Iraqis to die -- be it one or 100,000 -- as the result of a U.S. invasion and occupation of their country. The primary rationale given for the war -- that Iraq's stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction combined with its connections to terrorist organizations to pose a clear and present danger to America -- was false. Had the Bush administration continued to rely on U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq, instead of rushing to war, the same realization would have been reached, but without tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths or the deaths of nearly 3,000 American soldiers. It's of little use to debate just how many tens of thousands of Iraqis have perished as a result of the U.S. invasion, occupation and ensuing sectarian violence and civil war when none need have died. Yes, Iraqis had died by the thousands under Saddam Hussein's cruel regime, but the globe is dotted with brutal regimes whose routine killings are not answered by U.S. invasions. Were that the measure, the United States would have 130,000 troops in Darfur. There is sorrow enough in the most conservative of Iraqi body counts</em> A rational take on the issue:

A controversial new study estimates the number of civilian casualties in Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003 to be as high as 600,000. Other estimates put the civilian body count at less than 50,000.

But, like debating how many angels might dance on the point of a pit, debating death counts obscures the fundamental issue. It wasn’t necessary for any Iraqis to die — be it one or 100,000 — as the result of a U.S. invasion and occupation of their country.

The primary rationale given for the war — that Iraq’s stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction combined with its connections to terrorist organizations to pose a clear and present danger to America — was false. Had the Bush administration continued to rely on U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq, instead of rushing to war, the same realization would have been reached, but without tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths or the deaths of nearly 3,000 American soldiers.

It’s of little use to debate just how many tens of thousands of Iraqis have perished as a result of the U.S. invasion, occupation and ensuing sectarian violence and civil war when none need have died.

Yes, Iraqis had died by the thousands under Saddam Hussein’s cruel regime, but the globe is dotted with brutal regimes whose routine killings are not answered by U.S. invasions. Were that the measure, the United States would have 130,000 troops in Darfur.

There is sorrow enough in the most conservative of Iraqi body counts

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]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-255915 TedintheShed Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:16:51 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-255915 5. I don't recall saying that. Care to quote where I did? What I said is that both of these conclusions are flawed in their methodologies. Even the NYT's article contains a comment on this: <em><strong>Robert Blendon, director of the Harvard Program on Public Opinion and Health and Social Policy</strong>, said interviewing urban dwellers chosen at random was "the best of what you can expect in a war zone.” But he said the number of deaths in the families interviewed " 547 in the post-invasion period versus 82 in a similar period before the invasion " <strong>was too few to extrapolate up to more than 600,000 deaths across the country.</strong> <strong>Donald Berry, chairman of biostatistics at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, was even more troubled by the study, which he said had "a tone of accuracy that's just inappropriate.</strong>"</em> Any questions, Knipple? 5.

I don’t recall saying that. Care to quote where I did?

What I said is that both of these conclusions are flawed in their methodologies. Even the NYT’s article contains a comment on this:

Robert Blendon, director of the Harvard Program on Public Opinion and Health and Social Policy, said interviewing urban dwellers chosen at random was “the best of what you can expect in a war zone.”

But he said the number of deaths in the families interviewed ” 547 in the post-invasion period versus 82 in a similar period before the invasion ” was too few to extrapolate up to more than 600,000 deaths across the country.

Donald Berry, chairman of biostatistics at M. D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, was even more troubled by the study, which he said had “a tone of accuracy that’s just inappropriate.“

Any questions, Knipple?

]]> By: Knipple http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-255913 Knipple Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:11:03 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-255913 6. Are you mad, dear Robert? I am thinking about giving you an original nickname since obviously, this what the neocons do... I'll get to that later, I have some more neocons to piss off.:razz: 6. Are you mad, dear Robert?

I am thinking about giving you an original nickname since obviously, this what the neocons do…

I’ll get to that later, I have some more neocons to piss off.:razz:

]]> By: Robert http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-255903 Robert Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:46:26 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-255903 I see Sphincter has posted his most provocative troll yet (post #1). There's no point in arguing with an ingoranus. I see Sphincter has posted his most provocative troll yet (post #1). There’s no point in arguing with an ingoranus.

]]> By: Knipple http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-255864 Knipple Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:28:37 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-255864 so 100.000 is OK? Good for you.. I might wanna steal your brains sometimes.. so 100.000 is OK? Good for you.. I might wanna steal your brains sometimes..

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-255858 TedintheShed Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:54:39 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-255858 3. Indeed- this was an update of said project. I agree with Cordesman when he said <em>`This is not analysis, this is politics,'</em> Like the previous study, it uses the same flawed methodologies. Also like the previous study, it happens to released just before an election. 3.

Indeed- this was an update of said project. I agree with Cordesman when he said `This is not analysis, this is politics,’

Like the previous study, it uses the same flawed methodologies. Also like the previous study, it happens to released just before an election.

]]> By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/comment-page-1/#comment-255853 Peejz Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:33:41 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2006/10/11/study-claims-iraqs-excess-death-toll-has-reached-655000/#comment-255853 2- Funny you should say that as JH is involved in this study! I mean come on! This just makes them look silly! 2- Funny you should say that as JH is involved in this study! I mean come on! This just makes them look silly!

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