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Allah has Video: Hunter asks Blitzer, “Does CNN want America to win this thing?” Refresh your memory by watching this video that started the firestorm. CNN took this video from the insurgents and chose to run it…Wolf wants to know : Are you at least open to this notion that good people, like you and General Grange, can disagree on this, without questioning the — the credibility, the patriotism of CNN?
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Question CNN’s “patriotism”? It doesn’t have any. It is another hate-America pos. I NEVER watch CNN, news or the financial stuff.
The Communist News Network, the Criminal News Network, the Clinton news network, whatever it is called it is another enemy of America.
And SHUT DOWN the NY Times!!!
You would have been a cheerleader for McCarthy in the 50s, wouldn’t you?
You forgot one pesky little fact in your rant…TOOK FILM FROM THE ENEMY AND SHOWED IT ON TELEVISION…..
2- I don’t think McCarthy was too of base. Where was he wrong?
9- So Bush is taking propaganda tapes from the enemy and showing them on our televisions? Nope..didn’t think so dumbass!:roll:
shitoh, you aren’t very patriotic. Your “hero”, Kerry, has a museum of Kerry in Vietnam. The commies there love the traitors Kerry and Fonda.
CNN has been known to hate America since the first Gulf War. CNN had their lips firmly affixed to Saddam’s tucas. So, get off it shitoh!
13-He assassinated character without evidence. he persecuted people for their opinions, not their actions. He relied on guilt by association in order to make claims he never proved. Wrong. Again you choose not to look at the facts. Joe McCarthy was right. Now that I’ve grabbed your attention, let me tell you why.
For fifty years I trust there isn’t an educator in either the academy or high schools who hasn’t failed to castigate Joe McCarthy as a hate-monger, liar, destroyer of careers, and someone who routinely accused innocent people of wrong doing.
“McCarthyism” has become the reflexive adjective among those on the American Left when accused of anything of less than patriotic motives or, for that matter, taken to task for questionable behavior. McCarthy was not only right, he’s been given a bad rap by history.
For four years, from 1950 until 1954, McCarthy was the only voice in America speaking out against those in government that were Communists, fellow-travelers (liberals who believed in but did not join the Communist Party), Russian sympathizers, and Stalin apologists. His enemies, consistent with the Left today, chose to attack the messenger rather than the message.
From the earliest years of the New Deal until the late 1940’s the government was deeply infiltrated with Communists and their supporters. There was no shortage of either messages to the President or evidence to support such infiltration. Yet, Roosevelt then Truman chose to ignore such evidence.
Adolph Berle, Undersecretary of State for internal security at State, went to Roosevelt in 1940 with a list of Communists in government provided by Whittaker Chambers, a party member who’d defected. Roosevelt, according to all accounts laughed it off and refused to deal with it.
J. Edgar Hoover, in 1943, informed Roosevelt of Soviet spying both within the government and at the Russian Embassy. On this occasion Roosevelt not only disregarded the evidence, he sent Harry Hopkins, his Domestic Affairs advisor, to warn the Soviet embassy that their phones were tapped.
In 1946 Hoover again went to the White House, this time providing Harry Truman with a list of known Communists and sympathizers still in the government. Truman’s response was: “What am I going to do? Give those @#%&* Republicans up on the Hill something to bash me with.”
McCarthy’s detractors, Communists, and Soviet sympathizers never anticipated two things: One, the Venona intercepts and their subsequent release; Two, the collapse of Communism and the opening of Soviet files.
From 1943 until 1980, unbeknownst to virtually everyone, the National Security Agency intercepted every Soviet message going from or to the United States. It was not until 1994 that their existence was even acknowledged, and 1995 when the first 1,400 of 240,000 intercepts were released to the public. Their content was damning and supportive of the contentions of not only McCarthy but Whittaker Chambers, Elizabeth Bentley, Hoover, and others.
The collapse of Communism opened files of not only internal Soviet spy documents but also gave the FBI, CIA, and American scholars access to the files of the American Communist Party that had been hidden in a Russian warehouse since 1950. The cat was out of the clichéd bag.
Just who was exposed by these documents. Alger Hiss who had been the number three man at State behind Dean Acheson and Dean Rusk, and who, most assuredly, at some point, would have eventually been Secretary of State. Harry Dexter White, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, who purposely withheld allocated funding for the Chinese Nationalists, during their Civil War, that destroyed their currency and, thus, their efforts against Mao’s Communists.
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg had been conduits for even more damaging information than the atom bomb, for which they were executed. Lauchlin Currie, Special Assistant to F.D.R. Samuel Dickstein, member of the House of Representatives from Brooklyn.
William and Martha Dodd, son and daughter of the U.S. ambassador to Germany in the 1930’s. Lawrence Duggan, State Department Director of Latin American Affairs. Harold Ickes, Sr., father of Clinton’s impeachment flack, who was Secretary of the Interior. Finally, William Weisband, U.S. Army Signal Security Agency. This is just a very few, the most prominent or household names one might say.
Was Robert Oppenheimer, the Director of the Atom Bomb Project at Los Alamos, New Mexico, a member of the Communist Party? Quite emphatically, no! His wife was. His brother was. His mistress was. As were many of his closest associates at the University of California. In addition, Oppenheimer was one of those scientists in the 40’s who thought that all scientific information should be shared universally for the good of mankind.
Were any of the aforementioned exposed by McCarthy? Not one. He’d been too late at the spy discovery game. After all, Alger Hiss got Richard Nixon the Vice-Presidency. White had been shifted to that historical ashbin where failures are allowed to “resign” to, the International Monetary Fund.
Hiss, unquestionably the most brilliant of the rising stars at State at the age of 43, in 1947 became the head of the Carnegie Endowment for Peace; a position usually held by a senior citizen with insufficient retirement funds. Lawrence Duggan, as the FBI closed in on him, had the presence of mind and good sense to jump from a window and commit suicide. Of course, he was considered a “victim” of a non-existent “Red Scare”.
Just how many did McCarthy catch? Darn few. Of the 10,000 government employees who were exposed as Communists, security risks, or of questionable loyalty and lost their jobs, at the least, only forty can be attributed to McCarthy.
Any of the major players? None, as most had either been moved laterally by Truman or snared by the FBI.
Most of the forty were small time functionaries such as Owen Lattimore, John Stewart Service, Philip and Mary Jane Keeney, and Howard Shapley; and these were the most prominent. In every case, of the forty, they were all accorded trials and attorneys before their dismissal.
Lattimore had been Director of the School Of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University, advisor to FDR on China in 1941, advisor at State in 1946-1947, preached that Mao’s Communists were “agrarian reformers”, in 1948 encouraged George Marshall to stop aid to Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalists, and in 1949 urged U.S. withdrawal from Korea.
Lattimore was a McCarthy “coup”. Lattimore was the individual who coined the term “McCarthyism” in response to and defense of the charges brought against him. In a feeble attempt to attack the messenger, Lattimore went so far as to write a book declaring his innocence while, at the same time, attacking McCarthy.
There was only one problem in all of this for Lattimore: Hoover had given Lattimore’s FBI file to McCarthy and McCarthy had Louis Budenz as a witness, a former Communist, who’d worked with Lattimore. McCarthy carried the day but was forever stuck with the sobriquet “McCarthyism”.
John Stewart Service was another who had managed to hang on, long past FBI and other snares, only to be “outed” by McCarthy. Service was at State and had leaked secret documents to a “front” magazine called “Amerasia” that were used to damage the Chinese Nationalist cause. Again, Service was caught only as a result of a Hoover/FBI “black bag job” (breaking into the offices of “Amerasia”).
Philip and Mary Jane Keeney had been fired from the University Of Montana in 1938 for subversive activity. In spite of this Philip, within two years, was at the Library of Congress and, during the war, was with the OSS (forerunner of the CIA). Mary Jane, meanwhile, was at the Bureau of Economic Warfare during the war and subsequently became part of the U.S. delegation at the United Nations. Again, when McCarthy was challenged on these charges, Hoover had already provided him with their FBI files.
McCarthy’s discoveries were in inverse proportion to his notoriety. What McCarthy really did was breach the gentlemen’s agreement and game of using Communists prior to and during the war while they were slowly dispatched after the war. Many of these were part of the Eastern Establishment in that they came from the “right” families, went to the correct prep schools and universities, belonged to the right clubs, and had the right connections.
Hiss had gone to Johns Hopkins, Harvard Law, and had clerked at the Supreme Court for Felix Frankfurter. They all had impeccable credentials.
It was one thing to catch a handful of Communists outside of government, as in the case of the Rosenbergs. It was quite another to expose the dirty secrets of the 1930’s and 40’s. That was McCarthy’s sin.
Was he a pillar of virtue? Hardly! He was a dreadful alcoholic and eventually died from cirrhosis of the liver. He was a bully, unkempt, crude, and a lout. He once unmercifully pummeled Drew Pearson, his antagonist in the press, after a dinner party, in the coat room of a Washington doyenne. He had many physical and character shortcomings. But he was right.
For all those rushing to put pen to paper to denounce any of the above, you’d be best advised to first do your “homework”. Read “Venona” (Yale University Press); “The Secret World Of American Communism” (Yale University Press); “The Haunted Wood” (Random House); “The Venona Secrets” (Regnery); “The Secret History Of the KGB” (Basic Books); “Whittaker Chambers: A Biography” (Modern Library); and “Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the life and legacy of America’s most hated Senator” (Free Press). If at first you haven’t read the above, then you are coming unarmed for a battle of wits.
17- there is no rebuttal that you can give to show me that he was wrong. He wasn’t wrong. He could have handled it better but he was not wrong…
19- unlike you I took the time to study the subject and reached the conclusion I did.:roll: It’s amazing what open minded research will get a person….
Refresh my memory here..which party is it that is outing gay’s in government?
Shitoh, you need a therapist. Your Freudian slip is showing.
Unfortunately for you, shitoh, you can’t believe ther your beliefs are socialistic, if not full blown communistic.
Truth hurts the shitoh liberals.
24-read it:roll: and again you and the author fail to acknowledge the fact that they were communists in our government and many worked on and for the New Deal…so what is it that you wanted me to get out of it? You still have not proved McCarthy wrong and now you bring up Rove. Am I to take it that Rove is doing what McCarthy did? Okay. I am not sure where the author gets it that the left is therapists..Rove states, based on fact that the left has no plan, they run from the enemy, they try to appease those that mean us harm, and the list goes on and on..and Rove is right…
Which party is it that is outing gay members of government?
shitoh, better check your chickens, Drudge is finding links to papers that show the GOP is winning races you thought the Defeatocrats were winning.
This time when you threaten suicide after the election and you lost again, there won’t be people here trying to talk you out of it.
Oh shiloh, you know exactly what I am referring to! as for you trying to correct me, which fails….this is what I wrote: again you and the author fail to acknowledge the fact that they were communists in our government and many worked on and for the New Deal They were a part of FDR’s team..
30-hey could the left have been push polling to get the results they wanted published?:wink: I love how all those polls showing them winning don’t show the sampling data!
#2 Twisted Tofu- yes, and normally I ignore your pseudo-intellectual left-of-center posts but apparently you think CNN is just dandy. And instead of dealing with the subject at hand, you trot out the McCarthy thing (favorite weapon of the Left) and use it.
Except, as Peejz has restaed in post 16, McCarthy was substantially correct. The Left has effectively sold another Big Lie regarding McCarthy for 50 years, but the truth is out. McCarthy was abrasive, nasty, and did what he did for political purposes. He was personally a jerk. But what he said about commies in high places was substantially true. So you guys need to stop using the McCrathy case as a weapon, because it backfires.
#4, #9: Whacked-out nonsense from shiloh.
#23- The Foley case, obviously. shiloh clams up and acts dumb when he is against the wall and has no response.
Peejz makes the effort and posts detailed McCarthy information. With nothing to offer in response other than opinion and rhetoric, shiloh howls in pain, throws out more rhethoric, and disappears.
33- hey that’s kinda like the polls that Granholm is doing against DeVos!
Leftist push polls—I myself have been contacted by one, so I can attest to how they operate. This is a well-known media tactic. Reports the “results” of their push polls incessantly until those incapable of independent thought believe them.
The more intelligent, independent thinkers (conservatives) are not fooled by such hackneyed Leftist tactics.
Robert- shiloh is socialist more than democrat
#37 you accuse me a parotting dem talking points. you, more than most, show your hypocrisy clearly.
I didn’t know where shiloh really stood in the political spectrum because all he does is attack our posts.
41- I can see that..he doesn’t really say much does he? From the beginning, it has been about redistribution of wealth,etc …he voted for McGovern and is proud of it!
Well yes shiloh the Democrites have trangressed, good of you to admit that, but after all, they are just Leftist Lite, aren’t they? I mean, it’s the Socialists and far Left that really know how to do things, how to get the job done, correct? Old Papa Joe Stalin, now there was a Leftist! He could reditribute wealth as good as anyone!
shiloh, you miss the days of the Vietnamese boat people? I suppose if you could you’d have reported the boats to the Vietnamese Navy so they could sink them for trying to escape the People’s Socialist paradise.
Zogby is now on the new lefty network, so his polls have to be viewed with a very jaundiced eye. And, shitoh, he’s got his own show, not just being the house pollster.
#1 Reason for the Vietname war: we deferred to the French to fight Ho Chi Minh. We could have cut a deal with Ho and avpoided the whole thing. But Ho was already an enemy of the French and so we backed the French.
Nixon got us out of Vietnam, remember? His resignation had nothing to do with the war.
And it was the traechery of the Commubnists (the Left, again) who agreed to a treaty, then promptly reneged as soon as our troops were out.
But don’t let facts get in the way of your opinion, shiloh. They never have before, so why start now?
#42 I forgot he voted for McGovern!
Bwaaaa haaa haaa haaa haaa! 
I remember the 1972 campaign well. McGovern came off as a complete fool. I remember McGovern had an idea that the Gov’t could end poverty just by redistributing wealth. There was enough to go around—and he’d make it happen!
But why stop there? If the U.S. Gov’t would just give $1M to every person in the U.S., then we’d be a nation of millionaires! wahoo! Why stop at just redistributing some wealth? Make us all rich!!! And if there isn’t enough wealth to redistribute, just print up some more!!!
See how easy it is! (If you have a simpleton’s approach like McGovern did)
Note how he skips right over JFK and Vietnam….and JFK and Ngo Dinh Diem..oddthat JFK supported Dinh’s execution only to be assasinated 20days later…
Hey, does Shitloh hate Bush???
I wonder
every time you equate commies with the left i am going to e4quate nazis with the right. We would expect nothing different from you…Let’s see..the Republicans aligning with the State of Israel and taking on those who wish to wipe Israel and all Jews off the face of the earth..shiloh accusing us of being just like Hitler, the man who managed to have 6 million jews executed…Yep, that’s right up your alley!
56- 53
give me more conspiacies. did the vietnamese shoot regan, too? :lol::lol: CONSPIRACY? That is called is called a historical fact.
60 There’s a signpost up ahead—next stop, the Twilight Zone!
60- the left has historically been linked politically with communism. Fact
61-What part of the Ngo Dinh Diem assassination are you confused about?
Did the administration release a propaganda tape from the insurgents? Hey, I said that back up there in 12:roll:
62-Isn’t that the truth!:wink:
I see a shitoh meltdown coming. He’s confusing his left with his right again.
Shitoh is just pure evil.
70, yeah, shitoh, and you are always the one who tries to get us to play with your rigged deck. You know what happens to card cheats in the old west. The same should happen to goat molesters like you.
70- where did I say I was confused?
P, we just don’t play along with shitoh’s rigged deck. He’s being a baby about that. Maybe it is time to flush the shitoh.
wow, he’s on fire… There is nothing more disturbing than listening to the racist, hate filled rantings of leftist A-holes like shitloh
keep it up!
You are all effin’ nuts…I can’t believe I took the time to read this entire thread.