This Is How “Sorry” John Kerry Is
By: Pam On: Nov/4/06 - 33 Comments
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Recent News Headlines:
Kerry’s Remark: Right either way
So now who’s joking?
How Low Will Bush Go?
Insulting Our Troops, and Our Intelligence
The Great Divider
Recent Video:
Keith Olbermann comments on President Bush and John Kerry’s remarks on “Countdown with Keith Olbermann”
Know what all these Recent headlines and videos have in common? They can be found on the front page of Kerry’s website!
November 4, 2006 - 12:03 PM on November 4th, 2006
Kerry Unapologetic?
Does this mean Kerry is unapologizing in a backhanded sort of fashion? Are we seeing a walkback from the apology? Kerry seems to be endorsing the position taken by the editorial board by placing the editorial on his website, though that may simply be…
November 5, 2006 - 06:36 AM on November 5th, 2006
past &
current leaders of the conservative movement are either in jail/under indictment or about to be tossed out by the voters No, our elected leader resign prior to forcing a person to vote them out…unlike the Democrats that don’t feel it important to resign..Jefferson, Murtha, Reid, Pelosi, Kennedy….
November 5, 2006 - 07:12 AM on November 5th, 2006
3- you say:you seem to be confused with the the concept of guilty & indicted & not gulty & not indicted.
. yet in #1,you said: it’s the appearance of evil, whether or not evil has been done.
let’s see – someone who talked with the White House on a regular basis & was fired for inappropriate sexual contact with a male whore & buying meth goes under the rug with Ney & Cuningham &
the conviction of The Bush administration’s top federal procurement official
i think Jefferson seems pretty gulty:but then so does Nixon. So let me get this straight..I believe you are referring to Haggard here as the person that visited? Would this statement also apply to the situation?: you seem to be confused with the the concept of guilty & indicted & not gulty & not indicted.
Is gay sex inappropriate? Last time I checked, the male whore failed the lie detector test when asked if he had sex with Haggard. Jesse Jackson visited the WH, shall we get into that?
November 5, 2006 - 07:39 AM on November 5th, 2006
7- Silence? Well until the news broke, 99.9% of Americans had no idea of who he was! His church fired him, what does that have to do with the WH? Changed his story? Let’s talk about what happened to Maryjo! As for Jesse, I’ll take your evasion as an admission of your inability to keep your hypocricy hidden…
November 5, 2006 - 07:40 AM on November 5th, 2006
Oh I see why you don’t want to bring up Jesse..he doesn’t have a church, he used funds illegally to payoff his lover and didn’t step down…
November 5, 2006 - 07:48 AM on November 5th, 2006
November 5, 2006 - 07:55 AM on November 5th, 2006
Shitho, you are mentally unstable. You are left wing fringe kook. YOur ramblings is that of a lunatic.
November 5, 2006 - 08:10 AM on November 5th, 2006
his relationship with the white house is relevant only so far as the hypocirsy of the religious right has been center stage for a while now. So he represented everyone on the religious right? Funny, no one knew who he was…
more consrvative rightwing crazy-base evangelical hypocrisy.where is the hypocricy? Did those on the right say they were without sin? Or is it that the left is so morally bankrupt that they need to try and take a persons religious beliefs and try to demonize them?
i went to a pentacolstal church for years & know first hand how easy it is to fall.
i don’t revel in the fall – i’m the first to forgive anyone who repents but this guy lied & has yet, in my opinion, to tell the whole story.
Well obviously you didn’t pay attention, not surprising though..you only went for 3 years…yes most people get it within the first 5 mnutes, but you are a special student.
Richard Nixon never convicted or tried of crimes, according to the law, Nixon is innocen…
November 5, 2006 - 08:50 AM on November 5th, 2006
Wow- there may be hope for you yet! That only took you 2 years to grasp!
November 5, 2006 - 09:09 AM on November 5th, 2006
No, I think this so called “mistep” by Kerry is very telling.
It is simple- Kerry is a member of the elitist left. It is common for the elitist left to think those who enter the military (especially today) are basically idiots, or do so from economic need. Thus, it isn’t suprising that he would say this, although it is more than likely it was a Fruedian slip. In the vast majority of cases when a politician makes his anti-military views public then it is their downfall as the people detest this so the continue to veil or lie about their position.
To deny this is like aying the members of the religion right are atheists. No, this is a defining tenant of their belief system. Kerry’s mewling attempt to correct this “mistep” without apology was also telling.
The apologists that are defending him are even worse though. I salute those Democrats that were calling for his apology from the get-go.
November 5, 2006 - 09:34 AM on November 5th, 2006
19- ah, but the idiot lapses into ignorance yet again…:roll:
November 5, 2006 - 12:14 PM on November 5th, 2006
Kerry is sorry all right—he’s the sorriest excuse for a Leader and for an American in quite a while.
November 5, 2006 - 07:10 PM on November 5th, 2006
“what is Kerry’s motive for calling the troops stupid a well before the election?”
Well Shiloh- that is simple. The fact that there was an election has little to do with the elitist left opinion of people who join the military. Thus, the question is irrelevent.
However, witholding that opinion is another story entirely. He failed to do so.
the anser – he didn’t
Uhm…yes he did. Read the quote from him again, or do I need to post it here?
You are eiether ignorant of the facts or lying. I beleive you are an apologist and that is shameful.
& the fact that so many republicans are so desperate to talk themselves into believing he did is telling.
Of course they are desperate…deperate for power, just as the Dems are desperate. What else is new? They are all.
“i’m ashamed of him for issuing any kind of apology. pure politics drove this from both sides over a non story.”
Again, being an apologist your hypocricy is revealing. A non-story…like the Plame case? Like so many other things that your bretern the Dems have tried to fling against the wall like so much mud to see if it would stick?
Give me a break.
I’m not going to address the rest of the post because it is just so much incoherent babbling. However, I will say that I predicted two years ago that the Reps will lose the House. I made that prediction based on historic trends. It appears that is exactly what will happen. The Reps will control the Senate and the Presidency. The Dems will control the House.
With any luck, Bush will be able to appoint another Supreme Court justice, as Alito and Roberts have proven to be excellent appointees thus far.
In ‘08, the Reps will maintain the Presidency. Congress is anyone guess: it all depends on which party can get their act together (if any- as neither currently does).
November 5, 2006 - 07:57 PM on November 5th, 2006
Excuse me Shiloh but there was no context at all under which Kerry’s remark could have been taken as anything other than an insult. When Jay Leno or any comedian makes a bad joke, or flubs one, you at least know that it was a joke because it is either preceded or followed by another joke. This was Kerry speaking his mind because he thought that in such a liberal setting he could get away with it. If he had had any @#$%^& decency, he’d have made a reasonable attempt to apologize as soon as he realized that it had come out wrong. Instead he said “I’m not going to apologize to anyone.” That is NOT the comment of someone who thinks he’s said anything wrong or even gives a shit that what he has said was taken wrong. In fact his sorry excuse for an “apology” comes across more as an “if you weren’t so stupid, you wouldn’t have been insulted” sneer than an actual apology. If John Kerry is such a “hero”, why hasn’t he permitted his entire service record to be released? There are rumors that his discharge wasn’t an honorable one. Self inflicted wounds are generally considered grounds for a courts martial or at least a captain’s mast in the Navy. In the Army, it would be called an Article 15 hearing. Possibly up to and including a flag grade article 15 which is one step below a courts martial.
There are many types of discharges and many reasons for getting one or another. There are honorable ones. (like mine) General Discharges for those that the military wants to not go away mad, just go away. Less than honorable discharges for those the military doesn’t care if they go away mad, as long as they go away NOW. A Captain’s Mast can recommend (i.e. cause to happen) either a general or less than honorable discharge. And then there are dishonorable discharges. Dishonorable discharges are the equivalent of federal felony convictions and are generally given out as punishment by a courts martial. While I am certain that Kerry did not receive a dishonorable discharge, a less than honorable discharge would certainly be a reason to keep the personnel files out of the public eye.
As for Nixon being an unindicted co-conspirator proven guilty by virtue of the White House tapes and thus a felon for committing obstruction of justice by your analysis. What does that make Bill Clinton who was found guilty of Contempt of Court, and confessed to Perjury (a FELONY), Obstruction of Justice (a FELONY), and of having others unknowingly obstruct justice on his behalf? While Nixon was never adjudicated, Bill Clinton was and stripped of his license to practice law for five years. HMMM, exactly how crooked do you have to be for the Arkansas Bar association to yank your license? BTW while we’re on the topic of unindicted co-conspirators, have you taken a look at what they were calling Jack Murtha’s involvement in the ABSCAM influence peddling sting? Yep, unindicted co-conspirator. If you want to start throwing meaningless, tangential arguments out there to obscure the topic, don’t start on things where the Dems are decidedly not occupying the moral high ground. I understand that means you more or less have no solid arguments because they are generally never own the moral high ground, but if you stick to the topic at hand, occasionally you will be on the right side.
I will never argue with you when you are right.
I agree with you that we should work to rid government of corruption and there are corrupt Republicans. The history simply shows that while the Republican party tends to force out those who are morally (Foley) or possibly legally (Delay) corrupt, the Democrats embrace them. (Gerry Studds) and (William Jefferson, and Jack Murtha) When the Dems start demanding the resignation of the Dems who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar, they can start demanding that the Repubicans do so as well. Can we agree on that? That BOTH parties should demand that their members who are caught taking bribes be forced to resign? Don’t claim that the dems can’t be corrupt because they aren’t in power. With the ridiculous way in which they have been threatening filibusters in the Senate, they’ve been practically dictating every piece of legislation coming out of the Senate. Were the Senate Majority leader to demand that the rules REQUIRE an ACTUAL filibuster as laid out in the Constitution, rather than this bs filibuster light that’s been going on, a lot more business would’ve gotten done.
November 6, 2006 - 07:04 AM on November 6th, 2006
26-do i have to throw a dem under the bus in order for you to objectively assess a repub? no just put a gal in a Olds, run her off a bridge and wait 12 hours to call for help..
November 6, 2006 - 07:29 AM on November 6th, 2006
so are you saying God is bad?
November 6, 2006 - 05:23 PM on November 6th, 2006
Re Shiloh@26:
“being an aploogist for the left is no better than being an attack dog for the right.”
Absolutely correct, however that still doesn’t excuse being an apologist. Ponting out others bad behaviour to deflect your own bad behaviour is non-sequitur.
“the context of Kerry’s remarks is plain.”
No, it isn’t plain otherwise his own Democrat brethern wouldn’t be insisting on an apology.
Again, stop being an apologist.
November 7, 2006 - 12:22 AM on November 7th, 2006
Shiloh, you are obviously still not understanding the concept of the fifth element. I have no problems with people questioning the actions of the government. Hell, I questioned the actions of the Janet Reno Justice Department on an almost daily basis as they seemed to be so much more concerned over someone calling someone an un- PC name or actually wanting to exercise their 2nd amendment right to own a gun than to punish people who were actual criminals, that I had to wonder who was adminstering the urine tests at the Justice Department.
What I am saying is that:
1. John Kerry’s remark was an insult to those who willingly risk their lives to defend this country
2. If you want to cry that the Republicans are corrupt SOBs, you have to admit that the Dems are also corrupt and that to try and punt just the corrupt pols from one party instead of them all, is hypocritical. Republicans kick there own to the curb when they are found to be corrupt, morally or financially. Dems don’t. It wasn’t a Republican who was found to have $90,000 from an FBI influence peddling sting in his freezer. Why aren’t the Dems calling for William Jefferson’s resignation?
November 7, 2006 - 09:44 PM on November 7th, 2006
As for Clinton, in all honesty if he had simply had the balls to stand up and say “Yes, I had sex with Monica. She’s half my age, not half bad looking and was a willing adult. Besides look at the shrew I’m married to.” I’d have applauded him for actually being honest for a change. I said that at the time. However using his position and lying under oath is another story. I never had a problem with him getting a BJ from Monica, they’re both adults. That’s between them and Hillary. My problem with the whole thing was his lying under oath. His lying under oath brought the validity of ALL of his oaths into question, including his oath of office. THAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. He swore an oath to protect and defend this country, from his actions, I would have to say he either abrogated on that oath or was simply incompetent in his execution of it.
December 9, 2006 - 06:26 PM on December 9th, 2006
I think Senator Kerry is one of the most truly patriotic Americans I can bring immediately to mind.
I voted for him for President since I believe his intelligence and his sense of fairness is presidential. I applaud his form of Americanism where he participated in the War in Southeast Asia, served with honors, came home (with the benifit of that experience under his belt) and chose the proper forum (Constitutionally) to express his civil disobedience.
It takes courage to stand out against the tide.
Kerry earned his right to protest unlike so many.
As far as the “failed joke” theory? I don’t care about it. The military recruiters target minorities and retail parking lots like Walmart. It’s a statement which supports Kerry’s contention. Do I think many would find it elitist? Probably.
Do I care? No.
I’m tired of pandering to the lowest common denominator.
I simply wish Kerry had never responded to the hew and cry that he thought the troops were somehow “stupid”.
December 9, 2006 - 06:31 PM on December 9th, 2006
… oh and lovely how that thing’s been edited to go for John’s jugular. He was describing the atrocities he’d witnessed in Vietnam. They happened too. What part of any thinking individual thinks that the horrors recounted by Kerry are acceptable? The video – juxtaposed against more recent footage – has not bearing in comparison.
He supported his fellows in Vietnam. He, like many of us, simply wanted the bloody thing to end. It did too.
They’re happening in Iraq as well Lindy English come to mind?
And let us not forget Lieut. alley and the My Lai Massacre..
Pity the collective American Historical memory is so short.
December 9, 2006 - 06:41 PM on December 9th, 2006
Perspective and the benefit of distance and maturity.
(let’s be fair folks)
December 9, 2006 - 06:44 PM on December 9th, 2006
36, 37: I think Senator Kerry is one of the most truly patriotic Americans I can bring immediately to mind.
Where do you even start with that? When he conspired with Dan Rather after his Vietnam service to backstab both his fellow vets and his Country (while still a Commissioned Naval Officer) to go public with his lies about our Armed Forces in ‘Nam? How could he possibly have witnessed all that? He was in the Navy, on his swift boat, for the very short time he was even there! The crap about going into Cambodia was a baldfaced lie!
With his phony, manipulated Purple Hearts so he could end his tour after just 4 months or so (so he could have his political ticket punched) when everyone else did a year?
When he recently backstabbed our troops by characterizing them on the national media as terrorizing Iraqi women and children in the dead of night?
WWith his latest gaffe, a “joke” that unintentionally revealed his true arrogance and disdain for his “fellow’ vets and our servicemen in general?
He’s about as much a real patriot as the turd my dog left in the yard today.
Uh, the name was Lynndie England. And you even want to compare her case with real atrocities? She smoked a cigarette while pointing at some prisoner’s nutsack. Yeah, that’s real torture! That could show Stalin a thing or two, couldn’t it?
My Lai was one incident, inevitably some atrocities take place in war. That does not characterize all of our troops in any way.
Are you just pulling our legs, or are you reading your Vietnam history from Cindy Sheehan’s pocket reference guide?
December 9, 2006 - 06:45 PM on December 9th, 2006
Kerry is sorry all right…
December 9, 2006 - 08:19 PM on December 9th, 2006
Sen. Kerry is a hero to the American Left, on many levels! There are only a few Americans we admire more than him, like Sen. Ted Kennedy, President Jimmy Carter, of course the Clintons, among others!
The Neocon neanderthals complain and try to smear Kerry’s war record. It is because they don’t understand it! It was a brilliant piece of work, so skillfully planned and executed! We on the Left understand it!
First of all, Kerry wanted to be like JFK. He wanted in every way to emulate JFK. So he joined the navy, figuring he’s get the patrol boat thing out of the way. He had no desire to serve America or fight, like and good Leftist, so he worked the injury thing to get out early. Absolutely brilliant and worked to perfection. But there’s more: he saw that the political groundswell of liberalism was staring. What better way to cash in on the antiwar sentiment then to go public with his war stories? Of course he really didn’t have any but that was not a problem. By his testimony with the atrocity stories, he propelled himself nearly to the Jane Fonda level of admiration amongst the antiwar crowd!
AND IT WORKED!!! Brilliantly! can’t you see, you Conservative fools! Don’t you get it? Ithas nothing to do with your silly ideals, your outmoded concepts of nationalism and patriotism! It’s all about ambition, and what it takes to succeed in the political arena! And you’ve got to admit, it was brilliant!!!
So STOP critcizing Kerry and lamenting your losses. Kerry is one of the greatest and most brilliant political minds of the new Left!
December 9, 2006 - 10:47 PM on December 9th, 2006
39 and 40
Vilify him as you must.
I suspect we view the Senator from Massachusetts from very differing points of view when it comes to the realmeaning of defending one’s country in the truest sense of patriotism in its profound context.
December 9, 2006 - 10:51 PM on December 9th, 2006
Uh, the name was Lynndie England
Sorry. How foolish of me. Of course she spells her name like that. She’s unapologetice tralier trash.
December 9, 2006 - 10:53 PM on December 9th, 2006
I’ve mistaken you Robert. You’re a reactionary spin doctor.
December 10, 2006 - 02:48 AM on December 10th, 2006
I remember the actual events of the Vietnam War as they happened—I lived through it. Did you? I remember watching the original broadcast when, reporting the tet Offensive, Walter Commiekite lied to America about the reality of what had happened, that the Vietcong were crushed and finished as a fighting force. That at the moment the war was more winnable than ever. Commiekite lied and cemnented the political victory for the enemy. For that he should rot in Hell.
I was in Army boot camp one year after the fall of Saigon. Were you?
Now for Kerry: Do you have any idea of how much trouble his apppearance on the MSM media and before Congress, telling stories (he either heard from others and mischaracetrized or just plain made up and lied about) caused and turned many Americans against our own troops? Did you know that is when the national disgrace of asswipes spitting on soldiers in uniform in public places started? I remember it very well. I had a buddy who did two tours with the 101st Airborne who never really came home psychologically because virtually all of his high school friends turned against him after he returned. Some called him a baby killer. To this day he is probably struggling, while that backstabber Kerry lives in the lap of luxury he gained through no work of his own.
You see Kerry through some rose-colored idealistic glasses, and I see him in the stark reality of his actions and the effect they have had on others. He is an arrogant, totally self-centered jerk with absolutely no loyalty to anyone or anything. He was one of the loudest voices calling for the removal of Saddam based on his being an imminent threat. Have you forgotten that too?
You need a reality check, imo. You can read all the scholarly analyses you want, but just look at the man’s actions and there his real character is revealed. I don’t need to read what others have to opine about him, I can see it for myself. And imo he should be flushed down the toilet, like any other turd.
December 10, 2006 - 02:56 AM on December 10th, 2006
I wrote the above post; didn’t type my screen name all the way in.
December 10, 2006 - 03:23 PM on December 10th, 2006
re 45
I remember the actual events of the Vietnam War as they happened”I lived through it. Did you?
Yes.
No I was not in boot camp or Saigon.
And it simply defies logic that an individual such as yourself Robe – who actually lived those tumultuous times came away from them thinking there was any justification to that war or this one.
You’re the one in need of the reality check imo.
Obviously people like you do not learn from the lessons of history that why people like you have condemned so many to a repetitive fate. It’s a bit difficult to hold onto any sort of optimism for this human race of ours as long as individuals like Robe insist on denegrading Kerry’s war record when I suspect you support a President who has none.
Telling for me that the fellow with the hands-on expericence knows the atrocity that is war where the one who wages is has no personal experience with it.
You can decry Kerry until the cows come home. But how you hawks can back the lame duck in the White House given the guagmire that is his War on Iraq is just beyond reason and sensibility. The man’s one-dimensional, he’s dangerous, and even when faced with bipartisan political and military defeat he continues to say “stay the course”.
Your ‘turd’ reference notwithstanding. The real human waste material is that moronic excuse for a President who has the blood of nearly 3000 of our own best and brightest on his hands as well as the lives of innocent Iraqis (over thirty thousand plus to date) and all in the name of fighting a war against someone decidedly (by his own admission) was based on faulty intelligence.
What can you be thinking?:?:
Speaking of a ‘reality check’ take a number…
December 10, 2006 - 03:25 PM on December 10th, 2006
I wrote that above post and I used my right name.
December 10, 2006 - 06:25 PM on December 10th, 2006
You disagree with my posts and tell me I need the reality check, but you don’t come up with even one argument to refute any of what I posted, just a rant against Bish. The subject of this topic is Kerry, not Bush. You can’t even stay on topic.
Who ever said anything about the justifications for the Vietnam War, for this one, or about the concept of war itself? Nobody until you did.
The topic and my posts were about Kerry himself, Kerry the individual. But you can’t stay on topic, you can’t argue the point. Is it because Kerry,s actions are indefensible and you know it? You can’t mount a defense for his actions without widening the scope to the “war is bad” level?
And if you want to talk about war, do you deny that the Tet Offensive was a crushing defeat for the VC, that they were finished as an effective fighting force, that Walter Commiekite lied to the American people and handed the Communists their propaganda victory? Do you? If you have any such notion then you better rethink everything you now think about that war.
And you haven’t refuted even one thing I have said about Kerry; my post stands undiminished. I post details, you post off-topic concepts.