Who ever said anything about the justifications for the Vietnam War, for this one, or about the concept of war itself? Nobody until you did.

The topic and my posts were about Kerry himself, Kerry the individual. But you can’t stay on topic, you can’t argue the point. Is it because Kerry,s actions are indefensible and you know it? You can’t mount a defense for his actions without widening the scope to the “war is bad” level?

And if you want to talk about war, do you deny that the Tet Offensive was a crushing defeat for the VC, that they were finished as an effective fighting force, that Walter Commiekite lied to the American people and handed the Communists their propaganda victory? Do you? If you have any such notion then you better rethink everything you now think about that war.

And you haven’t refuted even one thing I have said about Kerry; my post stands undiminished. I post details, you post off-topic concepts.

Yes.

No I was not in boot camp or Saigon.

And it simply defies logic that an individual such as yourself Robe – who actually lived those tumultuous times came away from them thinking there was any justification to that war or this one.

You’re the one in need of the reality check imo.

Obviously people like you do not learn from the lessons of history that why people like you have condemned so many to a repetitive fate. It’s a bit difficult to hold onto any sort of optimism for this human race of ours as long as individuals like Robe insist on denegrading Kerry’s war record when I suspect you support a President who has none.

Telling for me that the fellow with the hands-on expericence knows the atrocity that is war where the one who wages is has no personal experience with it.

You can decry Kerry until the cows come home. But how you hawks can back the lame duck in the White House given the guagmire that is his War on Iraq is just beyond reason and sensibility. The man’s one-dimensional, he’s dangerous, and even when faced with bipartisan political and military defeat he continues to say “stay the course”.

Your ‘turd’ reference notwithstanding. The real human waste material is that moronic excuse for a President who has the blood of nearly 3000 of our own best and brightest on his hands as well as the lives of innocent Iraqis (over thirty thousand plus to date) and all in the name of fighting a war against someone decidedly (by his own admission) was based on faulty intelligence.

What can you be thinking?:?:

Speaking of a ‘reality check’ take a number…

Now for Kerry: Do you have any idea of how much trouble his apppearance on the MSM media and before Congress, telling stories (he either heard from others and mischaracetrized or just plain made up and lied about) caused and turned many Americans against our own troops? Did you know that is when the national disgrace of asswipes spitting on soldiers in uniform in public places started? I remember it very well. I had a buddy who did two tours with the 101st Airborne who never really came home psychologically because virtually all of his high school friends turned against him after he returned. Some called him a baby killer. To this day he is probably struggling, while that backstabber Kerry lives in the lap of luxury he gained through no work of his own.

You see Kerry through some rose-colored idealistic glasses, and I see him in the stark reality of his actions and the effect they have had on others. He is an arrogant, totally self-centered jerk with absolutely no loyalty to anyone or anything. He was one of the loudest voices calling for the removal of Saddam based on his being an imminent threat. Have you forgotten that too?

You need a reality check, imo. You can read all the scholarly analyses you want, but just look at the man’s actions and there his real character is revealed. I don’t need to read what others have to opine about him, I can see it for myself. And imo he should be flushed down the toilet, like any other turd.

Sorry. How foolish of me. Of course she spells her name like that. She’s unapologetice tralier trash.

Vilify him as you must.

I suspect we view the Senator from Massachusetts from very differing points of view when it comes to the realmeaning of defending one’s country in the truest sense of patriotism in its profound context.

The Neocon neanderthals complain and try to smear Kerry’s war record. It is because they don’t understand it! It was a brilliant piece of work, so skillfully planned and executed! We on the Left understand it!

First of all, Kerry wanted to be like JFK. He wanted in every way to emulate JFK. So he joined the navy, figuring he’s get the patrol boat thing out of the way. He had no desire to serve America or fight, like and good Leftist, so he worked the injury thing to get out early. Absolutely brilliant and worked to perfection. But there’s more: he saw that the political groundswell of liberalism was staring. What better way to cash in on the antiwar sentiment then to go public with his war stories? Of course he really didn’t have any but that was not a problem. By his testimony with the atrocity stories, he propelled himself nearly to the Jane Fonda level of admiration amongst the antiwar crowd!

AND IT WORKED!!! Brilliantly! can’t you see, you Conservative fools! Don’t you get it? Ithas nothing to do with your silly ideals, your outmoded concepts of nationalism and patriotism! It’s all about ambition, and what it takes to succeed in the political arena! And you’ve got to admit, it was brilliant!!!

So STOP critcizing Kerry and lamenting your losses. Kerry is one of the greatest and most brilliant political minds of the new Left!