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	<description>in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane.</description>
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		<title>By: jonnyojewq</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-359669</link>
		<dc:creator>jonnyojewq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting information. The odour sense is very important for insects. It is used for finding food, escaping enemies and finding a mate. Odours used to send messages between individuals of the same species are called pheromones. 
The class of pheromones most widely explored are the sex pheromones in insects. In most cases it is produced by a female to attract a male of the same species 
When used in combination with traps  
[url=http://www.pheromone-pheromone.info/catalog-gift-pheromone]catalog gift pheromone[/url]   can be used to determine what insect pests are present in a crop and what plant protection measures or further investigations might be in order to assure that there is no really bad damage to the crop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting information. The odour sense is very important for insects. It is used for finding food, escaping enemies and finding a mate. Odours used to send messages between individuals of the same species are called pheromones.<br />
The class of pheromones most widely explored are the sex pheromones in insects. In most cases it is produced by a female to attract a male of the same species<br />
When used in combination with traps<br />
[url=http://www.pheromone-pheromone.info/catalog-gift-pheromone]catalog gift pheromone[/url]   can be used to determine what insect pests are present in a crop and what plant protection measures or further investigations might be in order to assure that there is no really bad damage to the crop</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-286486</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.--I found that comment #99 in the spam box and I didn&#039;t even put you there..it seems the system has grown tired of your stupidity..:shock:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.&#8211;I found that comment #99 in the spam box and I didn&#8217;t even put you there..it seems the system has grown tired of your stupidity..:shock:</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-286485</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;but that won&#039;t apply, will it, dearie? no, not to you.&lt;/em&gt;  Of course it doesn&#039;t apply to me, nor do I live by a double standard.  My rants are in response to your ignorance.  It is not me claiming that my party is without fault..dumbass.:roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>but that won&#8217;t apply, will it, dearie? no, not to you.</em>  Of course it doesn&#8217;t apply to me, nor do I live by a double standard.  My rants are in response to your ignorance.  It is not me claiming that my party is without fault..dumbass.:roll:</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-286038</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;you haven&#039;t commented yet on the southern strategy being racist, have you?&lt;/em&gt; No I haven&#039;t missed it..you must have missed the discussions we have had on the topic.  No I don&#039;t consider the Sothern Strategy to be racist.  I consider those that don&#039;t know the history of it to be ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>you haven&#8217;t commented yet on the southern strategy being racist, have you?</em> No I haven&#8217;t missed it..you must have missed the discussions we have had on the topic.  No I don&#8217;t consider the Sothern Strategy to be racist.  I consider those that don&#8217;t know the history of it to be ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-286002</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;both parties pander to &amp; then often abuse minorities.&lt;/strong&gt; There you go! Was that so difficult?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>both parties pander to &amp; then often abuse minorities.</strong> There you go! Was that so difficult?</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-285575</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>91-&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t think that Kosovo is quite the mess that Iraq is for a a bunch of reasons:&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;1. Cost to the American people.&lt;/em&gt;  How much did 9/11 cost us in dollars and cents?  

&lt;em&gt;2. Destabilization of the wider region.&lt;/em&gt;  What do you mean by stable?  Iran was pursuing their nukes, Syria was occupying Lebanon, and the ME wanted to wipe Israel off the map..prior to us going in in 03&#039;
&lt;em&gt;3. American/Allies casualties.&lt;/em&gt;- The numbers are actually low.  Yes we have lost life, but the numbers are low considering that our troops don&#039;t even know who the enemy is...
&lt;em&gt;4. Civilian Casualties&lt;/em&gt;-  The Iraqis and insurgents are killing them.  

&lt;em&gt;5. Relative success in garnering international support. &lt;/em&gt;  How much did the international community stand to lose by taking out Saddam?  The oil for food was wide spread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>91-<em>I don&#8217;t think that Kosovo is quite the mess that Iraq is for a a bunch of reasons:</em></p>
<p><em>1. Cost to the American people.</em>  How much did 9/11 cost us in dollars and cents?  </p>
<p><em>2. Destabilization of the wider region.</em>  What do you mean by stable?  Iran was pursuing their nukes, Syria was occupying Lebanon, and the ME wanted to wipe Israel off the map..prior to us going in in 03&#8242;<br />
<em>3. American/Allies casualties.</em>- The numbers are actually low.  Yes we have lost life, but the numbers are low considering that our troops don&#8217;t even know who the enemy is&#8230;<br />
<em>4. Civilian Casualties</em>-  The Iraqis and insurgents are killing them.  </p>
<p><em>5. Relative success in garnering international support. </em>  How much did the international community stand to lose by taking out Saddam?  The oil for food was wide spread.</p>
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		<title>By: Peejz</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-285570</link>
		<dc:creator>Peejz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>90- Ted, we are not running for high office and we are nothing but arm chair quaterbacks.  Bush was running for the office of POTUS.  He made statements that he should not have made as he did not have the inside knowledge that was afforded Clinton.  He should have said, &quot; it seems to me that we are involved in xyz, which wasn&#039;t in the original plan, I would like an explanation&quot; or &quot;Yes it would appear that an exit strategy is needed, but I would like to hear an explanation as to why it hasn&#039;t happened.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90- Ted, we are not running for high office and we are nothing but arm chair quaterbacks.  Bush was running for the office of POTUS.  He made statements that he should not have made as he did not have the inside knowledge that was afforded Clinton.  He should have said, &#8221; it seems to me that we are involved in xyz, which wasn&#8217;t in the original plan, I would like an explanation&#8221; or &#8220;Yes it would appear that an exit strategy is needed, but I would like to hear an explanation as to why it hasn&#8217;t happened.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: solarc</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-285504</link>
		<dc:creator>solarc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>89, 90-

You&#039;re right that I did start the micor-analysis stuff.  What can I say...

Where I come down on the should/shouldn&#039;t criticize question is probably obvious.

I do think that Bush&#039;s initial intent with the Clinton comment was to affect a greater knowledge of military strategy from the sidelines and that he&#039;s had to contradict himself due to further experience.  Neither Clinton nor Bush showed themselves to be military geniuses, though.

I don&#039;t think that Kosovo is quite the mess that Iraq is for a a bunch of reasons:

1. Cost to the American people.

2. Destabilization of the wider region.

3. American/Allies casualties.

4. Civilian Casualties

5. Relative success in garnering international support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>89, 90-</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that I did start the micor-analysis stuff.  What can I say&#8230;</p>
<p>Where I come down on the should/shouldn&#8217;t criticize question is probably obvious.</p>
<p>I do think that Bush&#8217;s initial intent with the Clinton comment was to affect a greater knowledge of military strategy from the sidelines and that he&#8217;s had to contradict himself due to further experience.  Neither Clinton nor Bush showed themselves to be military geniuses, though.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that Kosovo is quite the mess that Iraq is for a a bunch of reasons:</p>
<p>1. Cost to the American people.</p>
<p>2. Destabilization of the wider region.</p>
<p>3. American/Allies casualties.</p>
<p>4. Civilian Casualties</p>
<p>5. Relative success in garnering international support.</p>
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		<title>By: TedintheShed</title>
		<link>http://rightvoices.com/2006/11/20/open-thread-3/comment-page-2/#comment-285446</link>
		<dc:creator>TedintheShed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;83-Bush said his statements in 1999. I would think that if asked now, he would say he was wrong to have said that. People that are not sitting in the high office or are not directly involved militarily, should not speak for which they don&#039;t know.&lt;/em&gt;

I obviously disagree, as this is done here and on other blogs on a daily basis. As a matter of fact if that was true, then no war should be critisized or even commented on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>83-Bush said his statements in 1999. I would think that if asked now, he would say he was wrong to have said that. People that are not sitting in the high office or are not directly involved militarily, should not speak for which they don&#8217;t know.</em></p>
<p>I obviously disagree, as this is done here and on other blogs on a daily basis. As a matter of fact if that was true, then no war should be critisized or even commented on.</p>
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		<title>By: TedintheShed</title>
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		<dc:creator>TedintheShed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m still of the opinion that for Bush&#039;s criticism of Clinton&#039;s strategy to function as a criticism, it would have to be universalizing. In this case, a paraphrase would be &quot;Any idiot knows that to secure a military victory, you need an exit strategy and you don&#039;t have one in Kosovo.&quot;The degree to which it could be universalizing is, however, constrained not by the context of the utterance (Kosovo) but by the language itselfâ€“no one uses the term &quot;exit strategy&quot;outside of a military context (at least no one that I&#039;m aware of).&lt;/em&gt;

That is incorrect. It was first coined in investment circles. The phrase is also used when referring to &quot;a plan for removing oneself from a difficult situation if it arises&quot; (per Webster&#039;s dictionary).

&lt;em&gt;Again, as I mentioned earlier, we&#039;re probably going too far in dissecting what was essentially a slam from the sidelines.&lt;/em&gt;

No offense intended, but I am not one who micro-analyzes Bush&#039;s speech. As a matter of fact, this conversation was started by you and your brethern. I was only countering such actions with logic, as I find them ridiculous..  

That said- I completely agree.


&lt;em&gt;If we were to take the comment as referring only to Kosovo, then the question arises as to why it would be true for Kosovo (we needed an exit strategy there) and false for Iraq. The Balkans has historically been as much of a powder-keg as the M.E.
&lt;/em&gt;

I never contented otherwise, although I can see how this would be true. Planned short-termed skirmishes with singular definitive goals (such as Gulf War I and Israel&#039;s raid into Iraq, and other single-strike covert actions) would fall under this. You meet the goal or you can not. Once this is realized, you leave. Long term conflicts where circumstances change in a series of long term conflicts would make an exit strategy nearly impossible. Victory or defeat is not defined by a single victory or defeat zand thus make the planning of an exit strategy impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I&#8217;m still of the opinion that for Bush&#8217;s criticism of Clinton&#8217;s strategy to function as a criticism, it would have to be universalizing. In this case, a paraphrase would be &#8220;Any idiot knows that to secure a military victory, you need an exit strategy and you don&#8217;t have one in Kosovo.&#8221;The degree to which it could be universalizing is, however, constrained not by the context of the utterance (Kosovo) but by the language itselfâ€“no one uses the term &#8220;exit strategy&#8221;outside of a military context (at least no one that I&#8217;m aware of).</em></p>
<p>That is incorrect. It was first coined in investment circles. The phrase is also used when referring to &#8220;a plan for removing oneself from a difficult situation if it arises&#8221; (per Webster&#8217;s dictionary).</p>
<p><em>Again, as I mentioned earlier, we&#8217;re probably going too far in dissecting what was essentially a slam from the sidelines.</em></p>
<p>No offense intended, but I am not one who micro-analyzes Bush&#8217;s speech. As a matter of fact, this conversation was started by you and your brethern. I was only countering such actions with logic, as I find them ridiculous..  </p>
<p>That said- I completely agree.</p>
<p><em>If we were to take the comment as referring only to Kosovo, then the question arises as to why it would be true for Kosovo (we needed an exit strategy there) and false for Iraq. The Balkans has historically been as much of a powder-keg as the M.E.<br />
</em></p>
<p>I never contented otherwise, although I can see how this would be true. Planned short-termed skirmishes with singular definitive goals (such as Gulf War I and Israel&#8217;s raid into Iraq, and other single-strike covert actions) would fall under this. You meet the goal or you can not. Once this is realized, you leave. Long term conflicts where circumstances change in a series of long term conflicts would make an exit strategy nearly impossible. Victory or defeat is not defined by a single victory or defeat zand thus make the planning of an exit strategy impossible.</p>
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