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John Kerry Snubbed By Troops In Iraq
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December 27, 2006 - 06:31 PM on December 27th, 2006
Bwaaa haa haa haa haa!!!
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving, arrogant AH! Why did he even go there? All he did was prove what many of us could have predicted!
Well so much for the hero of the Democrites!
December 27, 2006 - 08:24 PM on December 27th, 2006
I heard a great caption for this on the radio today. “John Kerry with all of his friends in Iraq.”
December 27, 2006 - 08:29 PM on December 27th, 2006
I won $10 from a liberal………betting on this was a sure thing. I knew I would find the pics here on RV…:lol::lol:
December 27, 2006 - 10:31 PM on December 27th, 2006
That what he gets for being a HANOI JANE bootlicker and traitor just read the book UNFIT FOR COMMAND:lol:
December 28, 2006 - 01:25 PM on December 28th, 2006
This is no suprise.
Imagine if he were elected President…
December 28, 2006 - 05:05 PM on December 28th, 2006
#4.
Does George Walker Bush qualify for “Hanoi Jane” status for getting our collective arses in a sling by lying to his countrymen and going to war against Iraq under “false intelligence”??
I say we get to call him “Baghdad Bush”. Yup I do.
Jesus people.. this is partisan relativism.
At least Kerry no matter what his degree of service - debate it as you will and must WENT!
December 28, 2006 - 07:53 PM on December 28th, 2006
At least Kerry no matter what his degree of service - debate it as you will and must WENT!
GWB served as well, what is the point?
December 28, 2006 - 08:15 PM on December 28th, 2006
I’d have to check on it Eben, but I’ve heard that the wound that got Kerry the last purple heart was self inflicted. I can tell you that my cousin spent at least 3 tours in Vietnam, and he has a lot more than a minimal number of purple hearts, and he didn’t have to write himself up for any medals. And he has a few. At least one with palm fronds on it.
If Kerry served so honorably, why is it that he won’t release his service record to the press? There is also the matter that while we were at war with North Vietnam, he went to Hanoi to conduct his own little diplomacy and served as a propaganda prop for the North Vietnamese government.
As for us being in Iraq under “False Intelligence”, that is not correct. The intelligence that Saddam had WMDs was not wrong in that he had them, only in the amount that he had. While there are those who will claim that the small amount of chemical rounds that he possessed were meaningless, I would have to disagree. While the numbers of rounds would not be considered militarily significant on a normal battlefield, on a guerrilla war front, they were certainly adequate to create a lot of havoc. There is also the large quantity of enriched uranium (over a ton) that we removed (much to the IAEA commission’s ire) from Iraq because it was simply too dangerous to leave in that security deficient environment. I don’t agree with Walter Cronkite on much, but he got it more or less right in his documentary about the terrorists exploding a dirty bomb in a major city. There was more than enough enriched uranium removed from Iraq to contaminate and render unlivable most of the island of Manhatten. There were enough chemical rounds found to kill thousands if the contents were released into the ventilation system for a major subway hub like grand central station. Perhaps you are of the attitude that allowing the terrorists to launch attacks every so often is okay as long as it’s not your friends or family who are killed. Most of us are not.
As for the quality of intelligence leading up to the invasion of Iraq, one must also keep in mind that the best intelligence sources are people that the Church Commission and Jimmy Carter stopped the US intelligence community from using. Had we been able to maintain our indigenous personell on the goround in Iraq, we might have been able to either dispel the intelligence, or been able to react before the WMDs there were moved to Syria as posited in a book written by one of Saddam’s former Generals.
December 28, 2006 - 10:03 PM on December 28th, 2006
#7. How precisely well and to what degree did he see combat our war-happy President Peejz?
#8.
If Kerry served so honorably, why is it that he won’t release his service record to the press? There is also the matter that while we were at war with North Vietnam, he went to Hanoi to conduct his own little diplomacy and served as a propaganda prop for the North Vietnamese government.
Kerry’s released military record
Please, I’d ask you, do your homework before assuming every other dolt who reads what you write will believe your assertions as fact when they’re clearly not.
Yours is the theorizing of an individual bent on discrediting anyone who disagrees with his politics FOA.
Simply because you write an assertion on a web blog does not fact make;
It doesn’t get more unbiased than Wikipedia if you’d care to read the Kerry truth
December 28, 2006 - 10:09 PM on December 28th, 2006
If there is a “second coming” and Jesus is a card-carrying “Dem” pro-gay rights, women’s rights, and human rights, I certainly hope you’ll all stop by for a large piece of humble pie.:lol:
Or would that make you all turn into non-believers in spite of the halo glow around His head?:roll:
December 28, 2006 - 10:23 PM on December 28th, 2006
And here is the money quote fom Kerry: On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ”undeleted” copy of his ”complete military service record and medical record” to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ”The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn’t kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out.“
Thank god he didn’t win!
December 28, 2006 - 10:24 PM on December 28th, 2006
9-#7. How precisely well and to what degree did he see combat our war-happy President Peejz? He served in the National Guard.
December 29, 2006 - 02:04 AM on December 29th, 2006
#9 Your link is not to Kerry’s released “record” but to an article with an opinion on the release. Here’s a quote:
“Many of the records contain praise for Kerry’s service. For example, the documents quote Kerry’s former commanding officers as saying he is ”one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;” is ”the acknowledged leader of his peer group;” and is ”highly recommended for promotion.”"
Anyone who has been an Officer in the military knows that what they are likely referring to is the annual OER. They also know that on an OER if you write anything less than that you are effectively ending the man’s career. As an officer, you must be promotable. If you are passed over for promotion a second time, you are boarded out of the service. Even if you feel someone’s performance is lacking, they are substandard, or you personally don’t like them, you must face this simple issue when rating them: Do I want to end this person’s military career? That answer is almost always no, so you almost invariably see the glowing praises that mean absolutely nothing. I am not stretching to make this point; this is a fact, and if anything, I am understating it. I have heard that some years ago they changed the OER rating process because it had become utterly useless as I have articulated.
Apparently the person writing the article you linked to does not understand this, and instead based much of his opinion on this misunderstanding.
You never addressed the rest of FAO’s post, which pointed out that if Bush lied and misled this country, then so did all of the Democrite leadership who saw the same intelligence, came to the same conclusion, publicly stated it, then voted for military action. Let me guess: They didn’t mean it? They just did it because Bush forced them to? They never really said those things, the transcripts of speeches are fake, and the vote never actually happened? Rove did it?
Still want to call FAO a dolt?
December 29, 2006 - 06:06 AM on December 29th, 2006
Re #6 (Eben):
Does George Walker Bush qualify for “Hanoi Jane” status for getting our collective arses in a sling by lying to his countrymen and going to war against Iraq…
Please provide proof of this assertion, that Bush lied to go to war in Iraq. This is a claim I see frequently made, but never substantiated.
December 29, 2006 - 06:12 AM on December 29th, 2006
Re #9 (Eben)
Yours is the theorizing of an individual bent on discrediting anyone who disagrees with his politics FOA.
Yes, but you do the same thing.
Simply because you write an assertion on a web blog does not fact make;
It doesn’t get more unbiased than Wikipedia if you’d care to read the Kerry truth
I would strongly disagree that Wiki is unbiased, as the sections are writen by biased individuals for the most part. Wiki is a good place to start when looking into a topic, but that is as far as it goes.
December 29, 2006 - 06:40 AM on December 29th, 2006
FRMRARTYOFFC #2
Actually Kerry the Fairy has lots of friends in Iraq, but they were all busy planting bombs, blowing up children and trying to kill those American fighting men and womwn that prissy Johnnyboy hates so much.
December 29, 2006 - 08:30 AM on December 29th, 2006
#16
so true! Kerry would have been surrounded by friends and admirers indeed had he gone to the proper venue.
I have heard now that the some Libs are claiming the above picture of Kerry in Iraq is a fake. Witnesses who were there that attest to it being real. The Left is forgetting that they are the ones who falsify documents, create “scandals’, and use any tactic no matter how dishonest to attack. By claiming fake they are lying…again…
December 29, 2006 - 08:38 AM on December 29th, 2006
“It doesn’t get more unbiased than Wikipedia if you’d care to read the Kerry truth”
As Ted points out, wiki articles are written by individuals. There is no non-partisan, unbiased oversight process for these articles.
December 29, 2006 - 10:41 AM on December 29th, 2006
It would have been a great moment for the USA, if Kerry’s buddy’s had strapped a bomb around his waist, and sent him to blow up. Even nicer if he at the time was holding hands with Hillary, Jessie, and Obama.
December 30, 2006 - 11:03 AM on December 30th, 2006
Gee Eben, Kerry finally released his records. It only took him something like 3 years.
Yep, the link leads to an article saying that he has finally agreed to release his records. Robert is entirely right about OERs. An officer can be less than competent but be very likable, and get a great OER from a commander who likes him, while a reasonably competent officer who angers a CO can be ruined by a lackluster OER to which the officer has NO recourse. I got screwed by a CO that way. He didn’t like me, so he gave me twice the additional duties as any other platoon leader. When I got 90% of what he wanted done, the other 10% was what my OER was based on. The fact that I had twice the additional duties of the other Lieutenants meant nothing. My being 2 lbs overweight was more important than my being the only platoon leader having a maximum possible 300 Army Physical Readiness Test score. I still frequently talk with another one of my former commanders. I had another Captain look at me in shock when I told him about it. He couldn’t believe that they had one Lt covering both Arms room and NBC room at the same time. BTW exactly how bad would Kerry have had to be to NOT be recommended for promotion during a major war like Vietnam? Of course they didn’t have the up or out thing in high gear during Vietnam like they did later.
BTW Eben, I don’t have to try and discredit people who disagree with me politically. I just take their arguments to a logical conclusion. When the Islamists say they are going to attack us here, and the 911 commission says it’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when, tying up Al-Quaeda fighters and assets in Iraq makes a hell of a lot more sense than allowing them to collect funds, training and possibly chemical and radiological weapons from Saddam Hussein and then use them here. Pacifists should be damn glad there are militarists who are willing to protect their asses from those who would do them harm. Of course these are the same people that think that if you pass laws banning guns that criminals will stop using guns, and then fight against putting violent criminals in prison long enough to prevent them from being able to commit more crime. They don’t care about results as much as good intentions. If I remember correctly, doesn’t the bible say thet the path to hell is paved with good intentions?
As for me being a dolt. Well, I did leave high school a year early. Of course I left to attend college on an academic scholarship. I was in the top third of my class despite studying Russian, and taking as many as three upper level political science classes at a time, as a sophomore. I even made the Dean’s List while working two part time jobs and working for the ROTC department. Had I had a good advisor, I probably would’ve gone to a couple of summer or winter sessions and graduated with two majors and two minors in the same four years. I only needed 2 classes to graduate with majors in Political Science and Russian as well as minors in History and Public Administration. As it was, I had a choice as to which minor to graduate with. Russian, History, or Public Adminstration. Because I only had one declared major, I could only have one minor. The two classes I needed for the Russian major were modern linguistic courses. I’ve also gotten awards from every company that I have managed stores for, including monthly awards for being the top store manager in the company for two of them.
December 30, 2006 - 05:53 PM on December 30th, 2006
#20 FOA-
Gee Eben, Kerry finally released his records. It only took him something like 3 years.
Hmmm. But you said in a previous post he hadn’t? Odd.
Anyhow. The logic behind Kerry’s refusal to embrace the witch hunt initiated by Bush & Co. to refute his war record was that no one with any decency would stoop so low. Senator Kerry, taking what used to be called the high road and refused to respond on principle assuming the American public would know b.s. when they saw it.
Unfortunately the good Senator was mistaken in his confidence in American human decency.
BTW Eben, I don’t have to try and discredit people who disagree with me politically. I just take their arguments to a logical conclusion.
Nothing ‘logical’ about claiming falsities. It’s just plain misleading and erroneous.
As for me being a dolt. Well, I did leave high school a year early. Of course I left to attend college on an academic scholarship. I was in the top third of my class despite studying Russian, and taking as many as three upper level political science classes at a time, as a sophomore. I even made the Dean’s List while working two part time jobs and working for the ROTC department. Had I had a good advisor, I probably would’ve gone to a couple of summer or winter sessions and graduated with two majors and two minors in the same four years. I only needed 2 classes to graduate with majors in Political Science and Russian as well as minors in History and Public Administration. As it was, I had a choice as to which minor to graduate with. Russian, History, or Public Adminstration. Because I only had one declared major, I could only have one minor. The two classes I needed for the Russian major were modern linguistic courses. I’ve also gotten awards from every company that I have managed stores for, including monthly awards for being the top store manager in the company for two of them.
I wasn’t specifically calling you a ‘dolt’. But I’m awfully glad to have your short form bio handy for easy reference.:shock:
numbers 17 and 18
As Ted points out, wiki articles are written by individuals. There is no non-partisan, unbiased oversight process for these articles.
Then you must be suggesting there is no absolute truth.
I do declare you’d not believe it was Jesus were he actually to make a Second Coming if he professed peace (as He was like to do) rather than war.
Pity that.
December 30, 2006 - 05:57 PM on December 30th, 2006
re #16
Actually Kerry the Fairy has lots of friends in Iraq, but they were all busy planting bombs, blowing up children and trying to kill those American fighting men and womwn that prissy Johnnyboy hates so much.
just let me say?
Do you mean ‘Kerry the Fairy’ as in “mischievous sprite” or as in homosexual?
Honest, I dont’ think the dude’s gay. Is anyone who doens’t subscribe to blind patriotism and right-wing rhetoric a homosexual to you?
The Log Cabin Republicans will be aghast!:lol:
December 30, 2006 - 06:03 PM on December 30th, 2006
#12
Peejz-
He served in the National Guard. The AIR National Guard. And he served nothing but his own ends.
#14Please provide proof of this assertion, that Bush lied to go to war in Iraq. This is a claim I see frequently made, but never substantiated.
If you reread my post Ted I think you’ll find I never used the word ‘lied’.
Do I think he “jumped the gun”, confused the War on Terrorism with the War on Iraq, chose to believe dubious intelligence? Oh yeah.
And I’ve already linked to my assertions. You start.
When I link the links are called biased.
Even when the proof is right there in front of you guys you choose to believe what suits you. I’m not about to change your inablity to think with any form of detachment. I’m simply stating my beliefs and to date everyone on the thread seems pretty damned glad I’m here to ruffle their feathers!
Oh well… it’s a slow weekend.:wink:
December 30, 2006 - 06:14 PM on December 30th, 2006
23-He served in the National Guard. The AIR National Guard. And he served nothing but his own ends. Whether you like it or not, he served. And do you not understand what the Air National Guard is? What branch they are under?
December 30, 2006 - 07:19 PM on December 30th, 2006
If you reread my post Ted I think you’ll find I never used the word ‘lied’.
Actually, you did.
Post 6.: “Does George Walker Bush qualify for “Hanoi Jane” status for getting our collective arses in a sling by lying to his countrymen and going to war against Iraq under “false intelligence”??”
(emphasis added)
Now, I will ask you again: Please provide proof of this assertion, that Bush lied to go to war in Iraq.
It is time to put up or shut up on this Eben: either back peddle on the claim or provide proof to support it.
December 30, 2006 - 10:03 PM on December 30th, 2006
That’s not the post you were referencing but I’ll play…:smile:
Let me say this;
Deceiving an angry and blood thirsty American public immediately post-9/11 by manipulating reality to find a scapegoat in Saddam Hussein (his daddy’s old nemesis) was pretty darned deceitful.
Why is this point lost on so many?
Was it a lie? Yes. I’d say it was.
#24- Peejz.
Whether you like it or not, he served. And do you not understand what the Air National Guard is? What branch they are under?
It’s not a matter of ‘liking ‘ it or not. It’s a matter of what he didn’t do for his country. Kerry did and had the right, since he earned it to address the ills of the War in Vietnam. For this he’s villified when it’s his moral duty to civilly disagree with his government when his conscience tells him to?
Come on… this isn’t rocket science.
So all the cadets at West Point “served” while in their classrooms but it hardly holds up to seeing battle now does it?:wink:
December 31, 2006 - 08:05 AM on December 31st, 2006
26- My father served in the Air Force and never saw battle, but he did testing on jets and training of pilots..are you saying he didn’t serve his country?
This does get back to whether you like his service or not.
Kerry was villified for embellishing the truth..
December 31, 2006 - 10:22 AM on December 31st, 2006
Re 26 (Eben):
That’s not the post you were referencing but I’ll play…
Actualy it was. If you refer to my post 14, I directly quoted you:
“Does George Walker Bush qualify for “Hanoi Jane” status for getting our collective arses in a sling by lying to his countrymen and going to war against Iraq…
(my response)
“Please provide proof of this assertion, that Bush lied to go to war in Iraq. This is a claim I see frequently made, but never substantiated.”
And now, to your response in the previous post:
“Deceiving an angry and blood thirsty American public immediately post-9/11 by manipulating reality to find a scapegoat in Saddam Hussein (his daddy’s old nemesis) was pretty darned deceitful.
Why is this point lost on so many?
Was it a lie? Yes. I’d say it was.”
This does not in any way provide proof or evidence that bush lied about said topic. Yours is a subjective response that in no way supports the assertion.
I will ask you once again to provide irrefutable proof, and not subjective conjecture that you have thus far. “What you say” is irrelevant. What is relevant is the facts. Please provide them.
December 31, 2006 - 10:41 AM on December 31st, 2006
Re 26, 27:
My father received the Silver Star, three Purple Hearts and varius other citations during his service in Korea. He sees that any member who serves and does so honorably is deserving our appreciation, no matter what level they served at. Battle experience is irelevant, as an active member of the VFW for over 50 years, he was ashamed of the organization for not initially accepting Viet Nam Vets. All vets, no matter their level of service, should be appreciated as long as said service was honorable. This includes John Kerry and George Bush.
However, when the ‘04 Presidential elections was going on, I directly spoke with over 100 veterns regarding Kerry and his actions after the war. Without a singlr exception, those veterns considered Mr. Kerry’s service as honorable. However, the rub is in his actions after the service. All of those men consider his actions as traitorous. They truely felt that he misrepresented the other soldier serving and that his trip to Paris in the Summer of 1971 to meet with representatives from North Viet Nam was indeed treasonous, but no charges were made because he was politically protected.
January 1, 2007 - 03:43 AM on January 1st, 2007
Subscribing to this post and hoping for a response.