I am reposting some of what Michelle has posted on her blog thread Going to Iraq. To bring you up to speed on what it is she is doing, refer to this: Eason Jordan extended an invitation for Michelle:
to go to Iraq to investigate the Associated Press/”Jamil Hussein” story. He offered to pay for a trip. As you’ll recall, I asked if he would offer to cover travel and security costs for Curt from Flopping Aces–who broke open the story of AP’s dubious sources on Thanksgiving weekend and continues to lead the blogospheric search for the truth. Jordan agreed.
I spoke with Jordan by phone before Christmas to learn more details of his offer, which I’m not going to get into for privacy and security reasons. (He asked that his discussion be off the record.) I let him know that I had received invitations to embed with the military and planned to follow up on some of these offers concurrently with the investigation of the AP’s reporting. Since our conversation, things have moved at a fast pace on the embed side. Over the holidays, my Hot Air colleague Bryan Preston and I received word that our embed applications had been approved. We have been busy preparing our families and ourselves for the journey. Our overarching goals are two-fold:
1) to report on how the troops perceive mainstream media coverage of the war (with a particular focus on the wire services relying on local stringers); and
2) to report on progress and interaction between U.S. troops and Iraqi Army trainees.
Donations to defray the costs of our trip to Iraq are gratefully accepted. Checks can be sent to Hot Air Network LLC, 554 N. Frederick Ave., #115, Gaithersburg, MD 20877. Credit card and PayPal payments can be made by clicking the donation button below:(located on her site)
Fresh commentary and reporting elsewhere in the ‘sphere:
Flopping Aces: “Eason Jordan Urging AP To Investigate”
Confederate Yankee: Gone in 60 Stories: The Grunt Work
Confederate Yankee: Gone in 60 Stories
Richard Miniter: Jamil Hussein and Confedeate Yankee
Ace of Spades: Cool Facts About Police Captain Jamil Hussein
Ace of Spades: “Katty Carroll To Critics: Drop Dead”
Patterico: Does the AP have a “scandal” on its hands?
Video at Hot Air: Brit Hume covers Jamilgate
Allah on Eason
Bruce Kesler: AP & Eason Jordan & MSM Self-Responsibility
Armed Liberal: It’s just a scratchRelated: Embedded blogger Bill Ardolino’s very interesting interview with a “Sunni Iraqi journalist” named “Quais Abdul Raazzaq.” Part two here. Ardolino files from Fallujah here, where he reports “morale seems high.”
Whatever you can do to help would be greatly appreciated. Again, refer to Malkin or Hot Air for more info!
DEAR GOD THANK YOU. Send her to Iraq. Send her out to a FOB to live there for a few weeks, put her in a Humvee on patrol with the troops…
perhaps she will see the error of her ways. I doubt it, but it’s possible.
How funny would that be if she came back and was like “oh my god, i’ve been a f*cking idiot all this time about this whole Iraq War thing!”
Lib, why don’t we drop you in Baghdad. We’ll see if you like sharia law or if you survive it.
Hey PCD…why is there Sharia Law in Iraq in the first place?
Oh, that’s right…because of your ASS HAT of a president.
No wonder everyone hates him.
That’s right, San Francisco Liberal! You’re 100% correct! GWB secretly was the one who established Sharia law in Iraq! And we know why, don’t we? It’s because Halliburton makes more money that way!!! It’s all about Halliburton and Cheney’s stock. That’s why! Most people don’t know about it, but it just might all be revealed in Michael Moore’s next documentary!!!
NO war for OIL!!! Bring it all down man! Hillary in ’08! IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!
HA..
When I see the words Michael Moore and Documentary in the same sentence I just get a chuckle…..
“That’s right, San Francisco Liberal! You’re 100% correct!”
Yeah…I know.
“GWB secretly was the one who established Sharia law in Iraq!”
LOL…I don’t think it’s a “secret” to anyone except loser rightie wackos like yourself.
Fact is, GWB is a first rate dumb ass. And because of this, he invaded a country that really wasn’t a threat. This destablized said country, fanned the flames of sectarian extremism and laid the foundation for groups to practice barbaric sharia law.
I know things like logic and consequences are hard for some of you people to understand, but there is a saying that says: Every action has an equal and/or opposite reaction.
Bush indirectly caused this civil war mess in Iraq…so yes, the blame can be laid at his feet. Oh, and yours for voting for the dumb ass.
History will not be kind to Bush, his filthy unecessary war, and the jack-asses that voted for him.
I lost an old friend in Iraq on April 29th, 2005. Who do I blame? The car bomber? No…I blame Bush. And the people who voted for him (you).
SFL don’t be so hard on him. You finally found someone who agrees with you!
Yeah Robert…is it you playing around with other names again?
I wouldn’t be surprised.
LAME!
Sharia (شريعة translit: Sharī‘ah) is the body of Islamic law. The term means “way” or “path”; it is the legal framework within which public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence.
This is the LAW in this country..it’s the law that says you can’t wear a cross in this country.
According to Islam and Not BUSH but you (SF Liberal) need to read up on 4th Caliph and Leader of the Shiite sect of Islam.
This is the Islamic way of life…I’m pretty sure George W. Bush had NOTHING to do with this.
Are you really that fucking stupid or do you watch too much CNN?
You just don’t get it, Sandy, do you?
Bush has made Iraq worse off with his ill-advised and ill-planned invasion/occupation.
CLEARLY, this recent rise in sectarian violence and Islamic Fundamentalism (sharia law, etc) in Iraq can be traced to ONE MAN…GW Bush.
So, yes, Bush is to blame for what is happening in Iraq. And if you voted for the ass-hat, YOU are also to blame.
My analysis has nothing to do with watching CNN. I don’t even have cable TV. It sucks and makes people stupid like you. My analysis comes from living IN THE REAL WORLD AND NOT SOME CONSERVATIVE DREAM FANTASY LA-LA LAND. Wake the f*ck up!
#10 San Francisco Liberal-
It sucks and makes people stupid like you.
Something tells me it’s genetic in this particular case much as I agree with your stance SF Liberal.
10-My analysis has nothing to do with watching CNN. I don’t even have cable TV. It sucks and makes people stupid like you. My analysis comes from living IN THE REAL WORLD AND NOT SOME CONSERVATIVE DREAM FANTASY LA-LA LAND. Wake the f*ck up!
It is you that should wake the fu%^ up and shut the f+9k up SF. Sandy’s husband has been deployed to various regions in the ME and will be deployed to the sand box in March. Her husband is career AF, therefore I would go with her 1st hand knowledge over your ignorance.
P.S. Sandy served in the Air Force..
Well…SF….I’m pretty awake and I guess I’m the fuck awake and please dear boy if you are going to curse please do it justice and leave out the ****…we are all adults afterall.
I think I know the word FUCK when I see it.
How silly of you.
Please do me the favor of educating yourself on our historys’ past and look back on your own on anything you learned in 8th grade Social Studies…it’ll make our conversation alot more brief and alot less headache for me.
#12
be that as it may peejz it doesn’t give her or those around her an opinion which bears more credence than SF Liberals or mine. People choose to see what suits their own political needs regardless of military affiliation.
I suspect she’s not been to New Orleans. Does that mean she hasn’t an opinion about it? Certainly not.
Much as I’ve just reduced myself to scrapping in kind (a bit anyhow) I think everyone’s opinion has worth (well most anyway). And quite truthfully for anyone to mock my opinion about Gore by misquoting that favorite old line from his campaign with Bush is a bit below the belt.
Sheesh. I know certain posters are diehard reprobates but let’s keep thing civil can’t we?
Here’s the Gore quote accurately copied and pasted though why it’s been brought into this other than to incite is beyond me;
“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that’s how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of “inventing” for the actual language.
Anything else is partisan spin.
Nighty night peejz.
This could get nasty.
“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.â€
How the HELL am I spinning this into something else?
These are the words of the man himself. I didn’t put words into his mouth.
Tim Berners-Lee created the internet which was funded by DARPA funded by the United States military, it was called ARPANET.
Look up ARPANET + Al Gore and tell me what you find.
Look up Al Gore and 1983 and see what he had to do with the internet.
Internet
Oh and by the way, I just lit my Marlboro with fire so I now create FIRE. I just took the initiative in creating FIRE.
By the way, check out the link I provided for you.
Okay try and wrap your brain around the SANDY (see I was nice and called you by your name and everything!;
:smile ;
But if you do click on the link try and read it with bipartisan objectivity.
repetiton does not equal reality
#16
By the way, check out the link I provided for you.
By the way I did. Thanks but from a generalized viewpoint like that one could assume God created man!:shock:
I take it that since you brought up GOD that you have nothing else to add because that had absolutely zero to do with my statement.
San Francisco Liberal and Eben, I agree with you too!!! Eben, you’re a swell Liberal! I know you don’t identify yourself as such, but you really are!
have you guys had your lobotomies yet? Or are you natural Liberals? I mean, will the City of San Francisco pay for your lobotomy? I know it’ll pay for a sex change operation…hey you know what the medical term for FTM surgery is? Addadicktome!
You guys are awesome! You make a fine team holding the neocons at bay here!
be that as it may peejz it doesn’t give her or those around her an opinion which bears more credence than SF Liberals or mine. People choose to see what suits their own political needs regardless of military affiliation. Let’s see Eben, a person that lives on a military base vs San Francisco..hmmm going with the military base let’s see, a person married to a soldier involved in said war vs a guy that lives in SanFancisco and has not been to said war zone but relies on the internet and newspapers as he claims to not have television..yep, the person that lives on the base and is involved in the war does have more sway in a discussion about the war than you or SF.
NOLA..you have told me you don’t know what they have done with the money..now I will ask you why you don’t know. For someone that had such a life altering experience in seeing first hand the devastation, I should think that you would make it a priority to know where all the money has gone. Instead you stated:
The present administration’s inability (or refusal) to address the ills and status quo that remains the aftermath of Katrina is enough to make any decent thinking American wonder at what truly motivates the Executive branch of this government. It’s a national embarassment.
That ‘ticking time bomb’ you mention has been in the building since Reconstruction. Though I don’t hold those residents and YES THEY WERE HARDER-HIT entirely without responsiblity I think the response of this government given the funds being heaped into an unwinable war rather than helping our own NO MATTER WHAT their socio-economic status is reprehensible.
Those poor bastards in N.O. were generationally abandoned by a system of repetition which (as in most inner city situations) relegates the perpetuation of a decided “using of the systemâ€. Do I like it? No. Do I think we can get them through it by simply say “HEY YOU! Learn to help yourselves!”NO.
Now I will give you links to study: Survey: Despite Katrina, New Orleans’ 9th Ward is fit to be rebuilt as it was  New Nagin aide floats land swaps to aid recovery  U.Md. law students aid New Orleans public defenders   $1bn Katrina aid to firms of party cronies Billions in Katrina aid wasted  Katrina Victims Find a Solution: Modular House   Qatar gives last installment of Katrina aid to area   $250 Billion for Louisianna?:
Mary Landrieu has legislation here
I can think of one reason why a lot of larger contracts might go to larger out of state companies, accountability. When issuing a multimillion dollar contract, it simply makes more sense to award it to a company that has the assets to insure that the terms of the contract are met. While I would personally have liked to have seen the small business owners get the contracts, the bottom line is they might not have been able to deliver on them. I have a small business importing canvas products into this country. Technically, I’m listed as the manufacturer’s North American representative and as such all North American inquiries from their website are routed to me. Because of past issues with delivery schedules, I refuse to take large commercial orders because of the potential for litigation should an order not arrive in time. Would I like to have the commission from a 10,000 unit order? Absolutely. In my current status as a one man operation do I have the assets to insure that I could deliver on an order of that size? No. Am I willing to take the risk of taking an order of that size, hire staff to process it on arrival and then possibly have it not arrive on time? No. I was contacted about selling 10,000 tents to the Greek Army. The commission on that would’ve been two year’s worth of pay. I directed the procurement officer directly to the Vice President of International Sales because I knew I wouldn’t be able to process the order in a timely fashion. Larger companies are simply better equipped to handle large contracts than smaller ones. If I were the owner of the RV business, I’d have contacted the winner bidder and ask them if they needed an experienced local subcontractor who could not only handle the service issues, but also train additional staff as necessary for the other subcontractors. Not as financially rewarding as getting the actual contract, but far less risky. Little chance of being sued should a critical repair part be back ordered for multiple months.
#21Let’s see Eben, a person that lives on a military base vs San Francisco..hmmm going with the military base let’s see, a person married to a soldier involved in said war vs a guy that lives in SanFancisco and has not been to said war zone but relies on the internet and newspapers as he claims to not have television..yep, the person that lives on the base and is involved in the war does have more sway in a discussion about the war than you or SF.
Don’t buy your logic.
People (depending on what part of military life they experience) can live a life devoid of any real knowledge of current events as they impact the regular citizen. It’s like a glass house thing with fogged up windows for them.
Living on a military base? That’s an altered reality.
And how do you know SF liberal has no experience with the military peejz?
No. It’s a crappy analogy.
also #21NOLA..you have told me you don’t know what they have done with the money..now I will ask you why you don’t know. For someone that had such a life altering experience in seeing first hand the devastation, I should think that you would make it a priority to know where all the money has gone.
What is it about self-proclaimed conservatives that likes to provoke unnecessarily? Oh well-
I’d think you’d ‘make it a priority’ to make sure your countrymen weren’t slaughtered by false and erroneous intelligence but that’s just my view. Yet no. You stand by a President who’s ratings are so low their barely visible to the naked eye. What does it take for you to ‘make it your business’ to admite failure when you see it, experience it, and your OWN FELLOW AMERICANS have given their lives (not to mention the lives of innocent Iraqis who’ve died/or will never be the same for your esteemed leader who remains intransigent to reality and the truth?
I’d ask you additionally not to mock my work in New Orleans either Peejz. Quite honestly I thought more of you. Many hear spout involvement and just blow an opinion out their pie holes. I did something to see personally what had transpired and you get snide?
Here’s what you do; join Mr. Bush’s war. Then I’ll take you seriously.
You have your view of what you make ‘your business’. I have mine.
#21
Now I will give you links to study
Thanks.
Now I’ll give you just one.
24- So other than visiting NOLA, you really have no idea about what had happened prior to the hurricaine and you have no idea what has happened after the hurricaine. You just feel it necessary to blame Bush, because that is easier than actually taking the time to learn what is going on.
Join the war? Well, due to health reasons I would not be eligible. So, let’s talk the war..I wasn’t lied to. Again, I paid attention to what was happening and what got said. And Eben, that little myth about Dems not having the same Intelligence reports as Bush was debunked…
25- Okay, so let me get this straight, your source has the civilian death toll at 100,000 in 2004. Here is someone that cited it, and I just loved the stats they used with it: Last year the prestigious British medical journal the Lancet published a study estimating that over 100,000 Iraqi civilians had died because of the war. The study determined that the risk of death by violence for civilians in Iraq is now 58 times higher than before the US-led invasion. We are joined in Washington by the lead researcher of that report. Gee, ya think?
Here, the WaPo explains your figure as a survey that hypothocized the figure:
#2624- So other than visiting NOLA, you really have no idea about what had happened prior to the hurricaine and you have no idea what has happened after the hurricaine. You just feel it necessary to blame Bush, because that is easier than actually taking the time to learn what is going on.
First line is false. I’ve already referred to Reconstruction and race displacement generally. But you don’t want discussion. You just want to attack people you deem “too liberal”. Additionally, I need not prove my involvement there anymore than you intent to illustrate your lack of hands-on involvement anywhere but here.
Second sentence? I’d blame any standing President who’s reaction to that natural catasrophe was anything less than immediate and entirely invested. Bush was in office when Katrina hit as you’ll recall.
Join the war? Well, due to health reasons I would not be eligible. So, let’s talk the war..I wasn’t lied to. Again, I paid attention to what was happening and what got said. And Eben, that little myth about Dems not having the same Intelligence reports as Bush was debunked:
Health schmelth- and you were lied to by your President. If you’d been ‘paying attention’ you’d have noticed how Bush after 9/11 blurred the line between his own family vendetta against Sadam Hussein versus the real culprits behind the attacks on the World Trade Center Towers, Pentagon, and the failed attempts at other key locales. Was that lost on you?
The man (Bush) USED us. And he duped some of us by using our sense of real horror and fear to enlist us in his agenda. If that’s not lying I don’t know what is…
If you’re so bloody dedicated to the blood and guts of it all you could serve in somecapacity. So no way. I’m not buying it. Opinions are rampant on the internet but that’s all they are in the end.
There’s no ‘little myth’. I’m not into the “Dems” and Repugs” of it all peejz much as those here would have me be.
The powers that BE were given faulty intelligence and now the bastards want to escalate? That transcends intelligence – faulty or otherwise – to simply constitute stupidity (or warmongering). Either way I’m not going to give my endorsement to either.
Moreover;
I initially began posting here recently because I thought in spite of what are apparently very different takes with your regular posters and my own view of things globally and locally we could have some sort of dialogue that was respectful. FAO has been pretty decent.
But more recently posters use this rather odd attack modus which bespeaks a level of uncivility that goes against my grain and makes me more sure than ever that aggression per se is not the answer in this world.
It will -(just finished watching Sunday Morning with Charles Osgood) – ulitmately spell the demise of this world as we know it.
I also watched Stephanopoulus as he interviewed the Ret. military hawk and ex security advisor to Bush as he (ugh) advised to stay the course. Of course we’ve created an untenable beehive of resentment which has made no less than the likes of Japan and an ever-burgeoning North Korea train its youth in military aggression.
Short of being a fatalist (which I’m not) – we (US) have set the aggressor standard and it will, ultimately, come back to bite us squarely in the ass.
ex-military advisor = Brent Scowcroft
28- First line is false. I’ve already referred to Reconstruction and race displacement generally. But you don’t want discussion. You just want to attack people you deem “too liberalâ€. Additionally, I need not prove my involvement there anymore than you intent to illustrate your lack of hands-on involvement anywhere but here.
I believe we are having a discussion, but you seem to think everyone is attacking you. You claimed that GWB didn’t do things for them, but the facts don’t back that statement up. The facts also don’t back up your stance that this was a natural disaster…A hurricaine hit an are that was on borrowed time.
You can bold type all you want, but the facts don’t back you up..
23-
:lol: OMG..this is rich! So the soldier that lives on the base half way around the world that holds a job dealing with the day to day ops of this war really doesn’t know anymore than you or I? 
:lol: That is too funny!
Living on a military base? That’s an altered reality.
:lol:
And how do you know SF liberal has no experience with the military peejz? He has told us. He did lose his best friend in the war though..a West Point graduate..
Tsk, tsk! Us intellectuals always have a better understanding of issues and arguments than our opposition! So no matter whether a person is actually in an occupation, or a situation, actually doing it, us intellectuals always know more! And frankly, we are nearly always Leftists. Now some of us don’t like to be called Liberals or leftists, but we are and I’m proud of it.
Now this silly talk about Iraq and the war and who might know more about what is going on there: of course the intellectuals know more! We get daily information feeds from CNN, MSNBC, the DNC, NY Times, etc. Now if you are still thinking how can these reporters know more than those on the ground there, just remember what John Kerry accurately pointed out about the educational shortcomings of those in the military!!! An uber intellectual Liberal in an armchair in NY or San Francisco knows more by 9 am than they know all day!
(pun INTENDED!)
So let’s just move forward with the assumption that the uber intellectual Leftist/Liberal knows all and we’ll get along fine. And you right-wingers can get out of your attack mode and then we can have some real bipartisan discussion (as long as we are allowed to control the dialogue then it is bi partisan).
Haven’t been online all day and I log on to this. Great debate Eben and Peejz. I have to say though Eben that it does appear to me that you don’t really see the broader picture. You don’t seem to understand the mechanics of our government (intelligence) and I suppose you don’t really want to.
It’s what Mr. Clinton didn’t understand either and we ended up with 9/11. It was the way of the U.S. while Hitler tore through Europe and our pacifism caused almost 6 million Jews to lose their lives.
Now it’s our turn to fear for our lives or take action against a different sort of enemy. I vote for action.
And finally, make no mistake about it. They hate us for all that we are and they don’t want our money, they don’t want peace, they don’t want to negotiate. They only want us dead. How we play it will mean the difference between life and death for our children and grandchildren and future generations in America.
Ok, first off, sandy is not stupid for watching cable tv…I probably shoudn’t have said that.
second, being in the military/or being military family does not give an opinion more weight than anothers…in fact, it’s entirely possible it can distort it a bit from what civilians, scholars, intellectuals and others can see more clearly. It’s harder to be objective and be in the military, I’d imagine.
third, BonBon…you really shouldn’t compare sporadic violent islamic fundamentalism to WW2 nazism. They really are apples and oranges.
You can’t “defeat” terrorism with military might. Iraq CLEARLY shows this to be true. There are other, much more effective ways to changes peoples hearts and minds – and killing isn’t one of them.
Last, Uber Intellectual / Robert. Please – it’s lame. It’s amusing only to you.
#30I believe we are having a discussion, but you seem to think everyone is attacking you. You claimed that GWB didn’t do things for them, but the facts don’t back that statement up. The facts also don’t back up your stance that this was a natural disaster:A hurricaine hit an are that was on borrowed time.
You can bold type all you want, but the facts don’t back you up..
First off the bold type was a mistake. My words stand on their own.
The facts do back up my statments of how Bush has allowed N.O. to languish in near-warlike abandonment. I’ve been there and seen it where you haven’t.
But here’s the greater truth of what I see going on here peejz;
I don’t feel attacked (except by perhaps this “Sandy” who appeared last night) .. and she got a bit poopey when I responded in kind which is something I don’t like to do.
What I see (hence my disenchantment with RV) is that no matter how unbiased a URL I provide to support my belief (for that’s really all it is.. my belief) there’s always someone to refute it as slanted or “Oh from Wikipedia which is written by people”
Everything is ‘written by people’. I’ve gone searching hither and yon to back up contentions I’ve made but I’ve found increasingly it’s futile since there’s a mentality here which chooses to believe a preconceived reality by choice. To fuck with that is tantamount to gang mentality in here so in that sense I guess you could say the notion of being ‘picked on’ is realistic.
Obviously everyone here wants to preach to the choir. That’s fine. I’m aware of it.
Any dissenting view is pounced on and decried.
I’m called a deviate by some members for my sexual orientation yet admonished not to take it personally since “oh that one is set in his ways”. Okay.
But at what point does this site weigh all side of a situation to come out with a non-partisan unbiased basic belief in the goodness of the human spirit I’d ask you? I have seen little-to-no evidence of a coming together in that manner here.
So (short of being a masochist which I can assure you I’m not. I’m not here for target practice for those in your ranks who need someone to belittle no matter how mannerly I attempt (futilely) to be.
I’ll visit but from time to time but to stay and fend off thread after thread of rebuke (most of which is “sophomoric” name-calling) is a study in self-abuse (and not the good kind):wink:
I have no malice of intent. On that you can rely.
#33
This is precisely what I mean
I have to say though Eben that it does appear to me that you don’t really see the broader picture. You don’t seem to understand the mechanics of our government (intelligence) and I suppose you don’t really want to.
It’s been painfully obvious to me that this BonBon character has no broader an opinion of the world and the humanity of ALL peoples yet here she hides in her safe BonBon persona to say blanket statements when I’ll bet dollars to donuts she’s never ventured further from these United States than perhaps Canada or Mexico. She’s obviously unversed in things relating to history generally (let alone American or International). Hers (I assume she’s a “she”) shows an intractible stubbornness against seeing any view other than to say “oh I couldn’t agree with you more peejz” yet you let that fly as opinion with veracity at its core?
You seem bright peejz from our off-board discussions.
I’d ask you what motivates you to scrutinize my intent when someone as obviously vacuous as “BonBon” slides by without rebuke or comment? Come on now. This isn’t rocket science peejz.
You and I know she’s about as inexperienced (by choice) in world affairs as they come yet you allow her to make blanket statements without your ever-popular insistence she “back them up” as you would to me.
Guess it’s nice she agrees with you politically yes?
Doesn’t it get myopically boring only hearing your own sentiments and beliefs bolstered by your membership? Good gawd I should think it would.
Oh man, there is no hope of breaking through to any of these true believers. They’re all nice folks, I’m sure…but they are as firmly planted in their opinion as much as you and I are.
I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. I’m here – when I can find the time nowadays – to offer an opinion they might not see/hear everyday. Will it change anything? Nope. Do I care? Nope. Arguing on the internet is 120% pointless.
Us on the left here at RV are punching bags. It is a righty-sitey after all.
I think that’s part of the fun.
My family is entirely rightwing, and I even once was when I was young. We talk shit all the time to eachother about politics…hell, it’s fun!
Most importantly, we must all keep in mind that we all are americans and we all love our country the same. That’s why we care about politics.
oops…my point?
everyone shouldn’t take these discussions too seriously.
The facts do back up my statments of how Bush has allowed N.O. to languish in near-warlike abandonment. I’ve been there and seen it where you haven’t.
No, they don’t Eben. The fact is that the state let those people down and the state continues to let them down. Not George Bush. The Federal Government does not rebuild private property. Hence, we are seeing the feds buying the land from the people. They will then sell it to developers..that is how it works.
Hers (I assume she’s a “sheâ€) shows an intractible stubbornness against seeing any view other than to say “oh I couldn’t agree with you more peejz”yet you let that fly as opinion with veracity at its core? If the opposing view made sense, she would probably agree with you, but as it is, you made a statement that is not based on fact. George Bush didn’t let NOLA down. The state and local government did. Our government reacted during the crisis, but not fast enough. From there, it is out of the feds hands..it is up to the local and state authorities to get the city going..the feds gave them the money. What blanket statement did she make? Show it to me and we can move on to that…until then, we were discussing NOLA..We were also discussing the war..
What exactly are you getting at with the lack of traveling?Â
38- Amen to that:wink:
Eben, your insults have been noted but truly it is nothing unusual. Having worked in academia for 31 years I can assure you that you sound like a typical liberal. Argue a persons character rather than the argument itself and you THINK you come out ahead when you really only look like a fool.
#39 Lack of world travel and general exposure to other cultures than our own can bring a decided alck of objectivity.
Where you’d refute my opinion of necessity peejz – you’d let someone with such obvious lack of a broad sense of humankind like BonBon goes unchecked. You can’t be oblivious to it.
#40-
BonBon?
The broader picture is so much more than you’ll ever be able to grasp. Had you not taken that road I’d not have followed you with my snow plow.
Don’t think you can insult with bonbons and not have it noticed.
I have no particular opinion of you other than to note that your nose is shoved so far up the arse of the establishment as you’ve learned it by rote that you simply spew the rhetoric taught you by those who instructed you.
God gave you (at least I assume He did) the ability for independent thought.
I suggest (after your thirty-one years in academia) you begin to use it for the ability to discern truth from fiction.
#37 SF Liberal said:
Oh man, there is no hope of breaking through to any of these true believers.
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Indeed not.
I’ve only just come to realise this hence the futility in responding for anything short of agreement with the Republican status quo invites slander or selective refute from nearly every resident member.
FOA is the only one who doesn’t go after the jugular from what I can see.
At least he’s a gentleman.
42 & 43, Ah, the inpenetrable condescension of an academic. Eben, you are just useless. Drop you in Baghdad and you’d be dead before supper. Drop you in Zimbabwe and I doubt you survive to lunch.
You, dear chap, are terminally stupid and termially arrogant.
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Ah the impenetrable condescension of a hawk.
PCD – individuals like you are the reason we are in this fix. Drop you in Baghdad and you’d be dead for supper. Drop you in Zimbabwe and I doubt you’d have ever seen so many black people congregated in one place after your lilly-white ass in your entire life.
You, old sport, are terminally doomed to the repetition of what those morons who gave you life taught you to believe. The arrogance of self-righteousness is YOURS and yours alone PCD (properly called dunce).
#45 hah! You use the same tactics SF Liberal uses (repeat what someone else said, modify a few words). Can’t come up with your own material?
Eben may actually be SF Liberal, wearing another hat. Notice how they seem to agree with each other so much, so cuddly?
Nobody ever accused the Left of being original in thought or deed…
42-#39 Lack of world travel and general exposure to other cultures than our own can bring a decided alck of objectivity.Where you’d refute my opinion of necessity peejz – you’d let someone with such obvious lack of a broad sense of humankind like BonBon goes unchecked. You can’t be oblivious to it.
You assumed she hadn’t traveled, just as you assumed that all the mess in NOLA is the fault of GWB. Where does Bon Bon lack a sense of humankind? For someone that is sensitive to your own treatment by others, you sure lack any sense of decorum in your attacks on those you know absolutely nothing about..
You assumed she hadn’t traveled, just as you assumed that all the mess in NOLA is the fault of GWB. Where does Bon Bon lack a sense of humankind? For someone that is sensitive to your own treatment by others, you sure lack any sense of decorum in your attacks on those you know absolutely nothing about..So one should travel the world to understand the complex issues facing the US and the world in general, but one not be in the military to understand what is happening in the war? I just want to be clear of this…