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January 13, 2007 - 07:47 PM on January 13th, 2007
LOL…remember when Dick Cheney shot a man last year?
January 13, 2007 - 08:17 PM on January 13th, 2007
Yep..remember when Kennedy killed Maryjo..I do..
January 13, 2007 - 09:01 PM on January 13th, 2007
yeah, except Kennedy wasn’t the focus of your bias claim.
soooo….
January 13, 2007 - 09:08 PM on January 13th, 2007
Neither was a hunting accident in which no one was killed..
January 13, 2007 - 10:41 PM on January 13th, 2007
and don’t you all all forget Laura Bush’s car accident when she killed someone too!
January 13, 2007 - 11:31 PM on January 13th, 2007
#5
Unlike Senator Kennedy, Laura felt remorse. She immediately took responsibity. She did NOT leave the scene of the accident for even a moment, let alone a number of hours. There is no evidence that she was intoxicated. The victim was not in her car, nor was she a married individual driving around with someone who was not her spouse.
So come off that idiotic “What about Laura Bush” canard and come up with something substantial to contribute to this discussion.
January 14, 2007 - 12:19 AM on January 14th, 2007
“LOL:remember when Dick Cheney shot a man last year?”
And that’s relevant how, exactly?
No really. it a well known fact that is a pundit for the Democrats. He’s worked for Jimmy Carter, Tip O”Neil, Ed Muskie.
It is a sham that he is allowed to parade as a reporter.
January 14, 2007 - 03:29 PM on January 14th, 2007
SFL- you still didn’t answer my question in post 7.
January 14, 2007 - 04:50 PM on January 14th, 2007
DICK CHENNEY killed noone with his shotgun but i cant say the same for TED KENNEDY and his car and besides CHENNEY was quail hunting and ended up bagging a vulture:razz:
January 14, 2007 - 04:56 PM on January 14th, 2007
to Punster–Death is death no matter the circumstance or how you look at it!
January 14, 2007 - 04:59 PM on January 14th, 2007
to Punster again–as I recall Teddy did take responsibility and expressed much remorse about it!
January 14, 2007 - 05:00 PM on January 14th, 2007
as for Dick Cheney shooting his friend why did it take so long to report it and why was the police investigation thwarted? Did Darth Vader need time to “dry out?”
January 14, 2007 - 07:35 PM on January 14th, 2007
12-(Cheney) It was reported, to those that needed to know,like cops and doctors, immediately. It wasn’t released to the press for approximately 12 hours. Whereas, Kennedy didn’t tell the authorities for 12 hours and during that time, Maryjo died alone in the water..
WHO’S WHO AT THE KENNEDY INQUEST
CHAPPAQUIDDICK:
A Profile in Cowardice
Ted Kennedy, the accident, and the cover-up
January 15, 2007 - 12:03 AM on January 15th, 2007
As I recall it took Cheney way OVER 24 hours to make any kind of announcement he shot his “friend.” Darth even got his friend to apologize–what gall! There’s still a LOT of UNANSWERED questions about that COVER-UP too! Additionally, while Mary Jo will NEVER come back neither will the kid that Laura killed!
January 15, 2007 - 12:29 AM on January 15th, 2007
“And that’s relevant how, exactly?”
Uhhh…I dunno Ted, maybe because the topic of this post is about someone saying “Cheney, of Course, Who Always Wants to Kill…”?
You don’t find it the least bit ironic, and somewhat humorous??
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And as for Kennedy and Mary Jo…for the love of god…..
That happened nearly 40 years ago; he’s been elected over and over and over and over again since then…I think even bringing it anymore up is the very definition of beating a dead horse.
January 15, 2007 - 12:30 AM on January 15th, 2007
conservatives who think they’re shooting a cannon with Kennedy/Mary Jo blather are really shooting a bb gun.
it’s just not an effective “jab”, guys.
January 15, 2007 - 01:13 AM on January 15th, 2007
The Cheney hunting accident was nothing, and the only reason it got any traction was the MSM attempt to manufacture yet another phony “scandal” associated with the Bush admin.
It fizzled, quicker than most of their attempted “scandals”. To be repeating the same blather now is pretty stupid.
January 15, 2007 - 04:03 AM on January 15th, 2007
To Robert Said– Just like repeating the same blather about Teddy Kennedy and the Mary Jo incident. It’s OVER AND DONE WITH and that’s FINAL! But I am of the school of thought that if the right wingers want to bring up Teddy and Mary Jo I WILL definitely throw Laura Bush’s driving skills (while she was sober)and killing that innocent boy into the mix right back at them. As for Darth Vader’s quail hunting expedition I doubt very highly that the MSM made up all of the shrapnel that went into his “friend’s” body and the fact that he was painfully in the hospital!
January 15, 2007 - 07:27 AM on January 15th, 2007
DV, I don’t believe you are one. You sound like that Chicago Communist, steve, that posts over on Sistah Toldjah.
You are an idiot without sense of proportion or propriety. Laura Bush, was not a US Senator when she had her ACCIDENT. On the other hand Ted Kennedy may had reason to “off” Mary Jo Kopechne. The two incidents are no where comparable except to left wingnuts who have NOTHING to say in defense of the old sot.
January 15, 2007 - 07:43 AM on January 15th, 2007
16- How funny you should say that SF. It wouldn’t have even come up had you not attempted the stupidity of bringing up the Cheney shooting.
January 15, 2007 - 07:47 AM on January 15th, 2007
14- There was an announcement within 12 hours. Cheney, unlike Kennedy, was concerned for the life of his friend. He also made sure that family was aware of the situation. Robert was right, it was nothing more than a manufactured “scanda”. There was no scandal, so the MSM made one up. It did give us a taste of what Gregory is like though…drunk on the job!
January 15, 2007 - 08:52 AM on January 15th, 2007
“I doubt very highly that the MSM made up all of the shrapnel that went into his “friend’s”body and the fact that he was painfully in the hospital!”
You mean the lead pellets, the bird shot, don’t you? “shrapnel”???
It was a hunting accident. Nothing more. It wasn’t serious. It is a non-issue. Comprende?
January 15, 2007 - 09:01 AM on January 15th, 2007
Oh no, you’re not getting Cheney off the hook so easy. Shrapnel is any material flying through the air that causes injury, and this is what happened. And you don’t know that it wasn’t attempted murder, which would have been conveniently covered up had the watchdog press not diligently done their jobs, as they do on a daily basis.
Disabled Vet is right, and San Francisco Liberal is right! This attempted murder cover-up was extremely serious, and was just another example of right-wing attempts to cover up the truth.
Now Sen. Ted Kennedy and the unfortunate Chappaquiddick event: that was an unfortunate minor accident. Ted tried valiantly to save his passenger, nearly being killed himself. The oxygen deprivation he suffered while swimming underwater desperately trying to locate her caused him to suffer total loss of memory for 12 hours, during which he did not know had happened. He should be given an award for his heroism! He is a Liberal, and that makes all the difference! Liberals want to help, are always good, and can assumed to be always doing the right thing!
January 15, 2007 - 01:05 PM on January 15th, 2007
PCD–I have NEVER read Sister Toldjah nor do I have any interest. As respects being an “idiot” I doubt that very highly, considering that I have actively served in our military defending THIS country and am paying a painful price for it. I call “the shots like I see ‘em” (like Cheney!) and to me, regardless if Laura Bush was a U.S. Senator or not, anyone who is given the privilege of a driver’s license is also given a mandate of trust and responsibility by the issuing state. Laura flunked on both counts. I doubt very highly that she tried to rescue that young man from the wrecked car and attempted to save his life. Calling me or anyone else on the board names is a sign of childish immaturity which is so typical of the right wing, neo-con conservative movement. Rush Limbaugh MUST BE YOUR GOD!
January 15, 2007 - 01:20 PM on January 15th, 2007
Sister Toldjah is right on in my book. She’s intelligent, an excellent writer, and a babe too!
January 15, 2007 - 01:37 PM on January 15th, 2007
if Laura Bush was a U.S. Senator or not, anyone who is given the privilege of a driver’s license is also given a mandate of trust and responsibility by the issuing state. Laura flunked on both counts. I doubt very highly that she tried to rescue that young man from the wrecked car and attempted to save his life.
What are you talking about? Why are you making a true accident out to be some sort of evil legacy? Talk about reaching! What, just because sh’e the First Lady, this event now morphs into something it never was?
I doubt very highly that she tried to rescue that young man from the wrecked car and attempted to save his life
You don’t even know but this is a basis for your opinion? And was she a doctor at the time? An R.N.? An EMT?
Throwing this around does not diminish the seriousness of the Chapatraitor felony drunken driving crime. A crime for which Chapatraitor has never accepted any responsibility, yet the bloated buffoon sits on the Senate “ethics” committee. Until he comes clean he is fair game.
January 15, 2007 - 01:45 PM on January 15th, 2007
DV, You are an idiot. I sincerely doubt you are nothing but a liberal troll going from board to board using your false identity to shield you from criticism. It doesn’t work. An idiot is an idiot and usually doesn’t recognize that they are an idiot.
I are the juvenile delinquent here.
January 15, 2007 - 03:40 PM on January 15th, 2007
PCD,
Come on man, are you 14 ?
Try and talk like a real man, if you are truly capable of it.
I’m sure you’re a somewhat intelligent person, and I’m equally sure you can find it in yourself to post your comments without slinging childish name-calling.
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Super Lib, it’s not even clever or witty.
At least try and make it interesting or maybe more subtle if you insist on this weak parody.
January 15, 2007 - 03:43 PM on January 15th, 2007
“A crime for which Chapatraitor has never accepted any responsibility, yet the bloated buffoon sits on the Senate “ethics”committee. Until he comes clean he is fair game.”
LOL…Robert – it’s just not going to happen, man.
It’s well over 40 years ago, he’s obviously been elected over and over and over again…he’ll never “come clean” in your eyes, and he’ll never need to either.
It’s to the point where bringing it up makes the accuser look worse than the accused!
January 15, 2007 - 05:49 PM on January 15th, 2007
TO PCD and Robert Said–I DON’T pretend to be anything! Have you ever been in the military and worn the uniform? If not and if you both support the Bush Crime Family and their failed, maniacal policies why don’t you BOTH RUN down to your nearest recruiting station and sign up? They have substantially LOWERED the quality and intelligence levels for people they are enlisting and I’m sure they have a spot waiting right there for BOTH of you and your right wing cohorts!
January 15, 2007 - 06:14 PM on January 15th, 2007
“Have you ever been in the military and worn the uniform?”
No, and I know nothing at all about it. I am a dedicated pacifist and anti-war activist.
January 15, 2007 - 08:27 PM on January 15th, 2007
I don’t believe you! The military isn’t the ONLY thing you know nothing about!
January 15, 2007 - 08:36 PM on January 15th, 2007
Yeah, you got me. I don’t know any more about the military than anything else.
January 17, 2007 - 02:48 AM on January 17th, 2007
To RS–you also don’t know your left toe from your right buttock!
January 17, 2007 - 07:55 AM on January 17th, 2007
Listen DV, you sound like a Kos plant left wingnut more than any retired/active military that I’ve ever dealt and deal with. You are only what you read like on the internet. The only criminals I know of in government are Democrats like Kennedy (Killer and KGB stooge), Kerry (North Vietnamese collaborator during an active war), Reid (Graft for his family), William Jefferson and Murtha (Dirty money on their hands), Biden (Plagarist, and a bad one at that), need I go on? And these are the people you side with??? See a therapist.
January 17, 2007 - 07:56 AM on January 17th, 2007
SFL, start with cleaning up your own side starting with shitto before you dare to criticize others.
January 17, 2007 - 08:56 AM on January 17th, 2007
30, 32 and 34- Those you argue with have all served in the services…That being said, what is it that you are referring to about the military lowering its’ standards? I am aware that they broadened the range on the test taking (dumbed it down), but that is consistent with the trend we are seeing of all kids coming out of the public education system…the military is but one example of the dumbing down for today’s youth.
January 17, 2007 - 09:41 AM on January 17th, 2007
#35 PCD I agree with you. DV comes across as a Kos-sack, and not a very good one at that. His fake persona is pretty transparent.
Bottom line, a bottom-feeding wanker who isn’t worth arguing with. That’s why I didn’t.
January 17, 2007 - 09:58 AM on January 17th, 2007
Oh,,, I gotta come back for this DV Guy… ha ha. Lets talk.
January 17, 2007 - 10:28 AM on January 17th, 2007
How’s it going, John? Huah! I’m waiting for DV to tell you that you know nothing about the military…
January 17, 2007 - 01:47 PM on January 17th, 2007
Hey Robert. I am currently on a short vacation from Iraq in a former soviet country, but I cannot wait to continue justifying my nick name here… Captian Insurgent Detergent. Take care.
January 17, 2007 - 01:48 PM on January 17th, 2007
Sorry,, little drunk now.
January 17, 2007 - 01:52 PM on January 17th, 2007
.30 DV,,, you are a fool. I hate to call a fellow vet this but I have spent 14 years in the military 9 of it enlisted. I currently am a commander and as far as standards go, intelligence is up, especially from 14 years ago, however standards for dicipline are down, which will please any liberal. By the way if you want to talk military I am in the shit right now. I rarely post but I have a little R&R so fire away with any defeatist pansy blurbs.
January 17, 2007 - 01:54 PM on January 17th, 2007
BTW, the situation here is shitty, however folding the cards as the libs want will hurt us. I know that democrats and liberal/socialist/communist have a lot invested in our defeat, but you should not put your political agenda ahead of our country’s future.
January 17, 2007 - 02:16 PM on January 17th, 2007
44, John, thanks for your service. DV thinks it is easy to “Sign up and Go”. It is not, because if it were I’d be there. Almost snagged a job setting up Internet Cafes in the sandbox for you, but age and physical betrayed me. Besides, they wouldn’t let me carry.
Libs think they are safe over here. I live in an area where that nut put bombs in mailboxes. A couple of citizens and a mailcarrier spent time in the local hospital because of that fool.
January 17, 2007 - 02:24 PM on January 17th, 2007
Setting up the internet would be nice. We just put up 20K just for the Sat system. Of course I am in a remote location.
January 17, 2007 - 02:45 PM on January 17th, 2007
46, it was a Sat system, and it was to be outside the Green Zone.
I didn’t have the current wife than. It was a couple of years ago. But you know I can still hear “War Profiteer” from the libs, and few that post here. When I hear “War Profiteer” from them, I take it as a cry from a baby being denied candy. They don’t give a shit about anything but having a government give them their every whim and a government that silences the opposition to them. IE. SHUT UP and pay your taxes.
January 17, 2007 - 03:01 PM on January 17th, 2007
I still stand by what I say and believe. The war in Iraq is L-O-S-T and STILL you right wingers are living in delusion. It is now a civil war in which we have no business in interfering with. Our presence in that country stoked the fires from the get-go. More and more Americans are mounting up against it daily, Bush/Cheney approval ratings are subterranean and you will see many Republikans jump ship to vote against the funding and additional 21,000 troops that Bush wants. Even McCain is in deep doo-doo in his home state of Arizona. He won’t be on the Repub ticket in ‘08, that’s for sure! I often wonder why you right-wingers always vote AGAINST your own best interests like health care, help for frail and sick senior citizens, superior education for our children and receiving social security for your futures. IRA accounts are a scam and only benefit the Wall Street brokers. A mystery for the ages! I guess care and compassion are not in your dictionary. I’m a liberal and P-R-O-U-D of it and will NOT change!!
January 17, 2007 - 03:13 PM on January 17th, 2007
I cannot believe this guy was in same service as me. He would be rare. Hey DV,,, who were you with and when? I am not doubting you, but I have never run across a liberal who was willing to fight for anything but the new soviet man,, let alone his country.
January 17, 2007 - 03:39 PM on January 17th, 2007
I often wonder why you right-wingers always vote AGAINST your own best interests like health care, help for frail and sick senior citizens, superior education for our children and receiving social security for your futures. IRA accounts are a scam and only benefit the Wall Street brokers.
Let’s see:
I have healthcare. I am 42. My parents are in their 70’s. They are insured through my father’s retirement and Medicare. $142.00/quarter for co-pay on his retirement insurance.
I live in a community that does much for the seniors. They depend on private contributions as that sum is far greater than government giving. If they ask for help, the community responds and seniors are taken care of. Seniors also get special rates from the utility companies.
Superior education for our kids? So you are in favor of getting the unions out of the system? Or how about vouchers? As long as you don’t hold parents accountable for their children, we will continue to see a decline in the education system!
IRA’s- you obviously are not that proficient at investments, because if you were, that statement never would have been made. IRA’s are a tremendous savings program. These 401K’s offered by employers are also a nice way to have your money grow…The key is to pay attention to what your money is doing..ys, you actually need to pay attention.
It is neither caring nor compassionate to keep generations of people on public assistance…
I take it that you are the type of person that is handed something and you ask if that’s all….A simple thanks would do…
January 17, 2007 - 03:41 PM on January 17th, 2007
There are no SOVIETS anymore, or have you read the news? They are now called Russians and the last time I looked we have thousands of them in THIS country, thanks to our immigration laws which are promoted by the Bush administration.
January 17, 2007 - 04:07 PM on January 17th, 2007
DV,,, I lived in Bulgaria. I am simply stating that you and your ilk push recycled communism. That is all the left is. I guess if you like a sitty life you can be “P R O U D” of your recycled communism.
January 17, 2007 - 04:09 PM on January 17th, 2007
Got stuff to do tomorrow. it is past 1 am here.
Later
January 17, 2007 - 04:10 PM on January 17th, 2007
Take care John and be safe!
January 17, 2007 - 04:17 PM on January 17th, 2007
Additionally, we ALSO have thousands of Vietnamese in THIS country. In fact a Vietnamese family OWN and operate a couple of beauty salons and a restaurant in my area. I forgot to mention that a Russian family OWNS and operates the local 7-11 franchise! They were admitted into this country during the Reagan/Bush administration. ALL of their children have graduated or are currently enrolled in college!
January 17, 2007 - 05:02 PM on January 17th, 2007
I’m NOT a communist, just a realist. I OWN my own business so you CAN call me a capitalist, but one with compassion and care for people. FYI, when all is said and done in Iraq, you’ll be seeing thousands of Iraqis being admitted to this country, just like what happened in Vietnam! Also, don’t forget Cuba!
January 17, 2007 - 06:27 PM on January 17th, 2007
Re 48 (Disable Vet)
First off, I must apologize to Peejz for what I am about to say. It usually isn’t my style…
“I often wonder why you right-wingers always vote AGAINST your own best interests like health care, help for frail and sick senior citizens, superior education for our children and receiving social security for your futures.”
You know, I’m not a right winger for the most part DV. I read this statement and I cringe and so I just have to say..
Go fist fuck yourself.
This statement is so self serving it’s ridiculous. I screams “Me, me MEEE!!!!” like a three year old having a temper tantrum in the middle of a mall.
“I want free healthcare!”
“I want free retirement.!”
“I want the government to educate me and/or my children.”
“I deserve it, ME, ME, ME!!!!”
I’ll tell you what, for the most part the best patriots this country has historically offered never had such an outlook. They were willing to give up all they had, including their lives, their lands and their reputations for this country. They never once thought they deserved something from the government, beside protection of their inalienable rights (read the Declaration of Independence, if you don’t know). For someone claiming to be a veteran I though you would understand that, or did you only go for the GI Bill? I got news for you too: if they didn’t feel they deserve it, then you sure as hell don’t.
It pisses me off to no end. This attitude is one of the huge factors that is killing this once great nation- more so than George Bush, Bill Clinton or any of the other men who governs. This fucking attitude, this complacency, this perspective that YOU are all important. Fuck you and your horse, got that?
Fuck that. You may have served your country but you sure as hell don’t know a patriot from a pussy willow.
Let me enlighten you. MY best interest is none of your God Damned business. I’ll teach you one universal concept the founding fathers knew though so get you eyes close to the monitor and really think about this with the left over two wondering brain cells within you thick headed knoggin’:
No matter what, no matter how and no matter where, and no matter when GOVERNMENTS DO NOT SERVE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.
If you want the government in your life, fine by me. It is, after all, your life. But DON’T interject them unneeded or uninvited into my life.
Capice?
January 17, 2007 - 06:58 PM on January 17th, 2007
56- No shit Dick Tracy…we admitted many Vietnamese, Russians, Cubans, Koreans etc…you know what they all have in common? They came from oppressed countries. Of course we took them in. Mexico, on the other hand is not an oppressed country. Just a country that does well off the backs of the illegals it exports to the USA!
January 17, 2007 - 07:00 PM on January 17th, 2007
57- UMMMM Ted:neutral::neutral:…I didn’t see something like that coming from you:shock: I just got done clapping….well said!:wink:
January 17, 2007 - 07:20 PM on January 17th, 2007
59.
Well, I’m sorry Peejz for the rant. It just burns my knickers, that’s all. Maybe it’s becasue it is 8:15 and I’m still at work, but WTF?!?! Why do people think they know what is best for me, and why do they think they have the right to interject the governement unneedingly into my life?
January 17, 2007 - 07:44 PM on January 17th, 2007
60- a man can only take so much Ted! I didn’t mind…and I do applaud your stance…I am sick to death of government meddling..I was thinking this morning about our federal govt. workforce..how many people do we have on the federal payroll…not retirement, just active employees…..When is the last time you heard about the feds laying people off or streamlining departments that overlap each other? How much waste do we have in that particular area. It is the only business I know of that hasn’t run lean and kept up with technology!
January 18, 2007 - 12:44 AM on January 18th, 2007
Hey everyone–I Pay BIG taxes so I expect the best from MY government on the return of my money. Telling me to go “fuck off” doesn’t change the government. I’d rather see the tax dollars go back into the pockets of the people than into the greedy hands of Halliburton. That’s right–I Pay and the money should be going back to ME and the people who need it, not the corporate welfare of Exxon/Mobil, Chevron etc. By the way YOU DON’T have to accept your social security check, a free medical exam, Medicare, or a college grant if YOU don’t want it. No one is twisting your arm or forcing you to fill out the paperwork. As for me I would like government return of tax monies to happen for me and my employees! They work hard enough and they pay taxes too
Also, NOTHING IS FREE BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID INTO THE SYSTEM!
January 18, 2007 - 01:23 AM on January 18th, 2007
That’s right! Power to the people! ALL of the dollars spent on the so-called War on Terror could be better spent on the homeless! Or health care for undocumented workers!
Disband the military and spend the money on the poor!
January 18, 2007 - 01:36 AM on January 18th, 2007
You DID NOT read my message! I said that the money should be spent on people who have paid taxes into the system. No one here mentioned undocumented workers. As respects the homeless many of the homeless are veterans, if you didn’t happen to know that and veterans should be given homes and jobs. Additionally, those undocumented workers have been allowed into THIS country by the Bush Crime Family and their corporate masters to drive down wages, eliminate unions and work for slave labor wages.
January 18, 2007 - 09:13 AM on January 18th, 2007
64- Oh please! Until you pay at the top tax rate don’t tell me you pay BIG taxes. The government takes enough of my money to take care of those in need! My tax dollars pay to take care of those illegals and it pisses me off!
Those “greedy” corporations keep this economy going. You claim to be a business owner, do you take deductions on the business? If so Why? If so, shut the hell up with the corporate welfare bullshit! It is duly noted that you chose to use Haliburton rather than a Microsoft,Apple, Heintz, the Edwards lawfirm, Ned Lamont’s cable Company, Pelosi’s winery etc.,…
The majority of the homeless are not veteran’s…there is no excuse for a vet to be homeless. We offer many services to a vet, but the problem is that those that seek to help these homeless are going in blind…by the time someone get to them, the drugs and booze have done a tap dance on their brain and much of the time, a social worker has no idea of the person’s identity. You forgot to mention that many are alcoholics and drug abusers…
George Bush allowed all these illegals in? What kind of a business do you own? An AM radio fixit shop? They have been streaming in since the last amnesty signing in the 80’s..but GWB has done nothing to stop them..
The unions have no one to blame but themselves for where they are…they got into bed with the devil and now they are answering for it!
January 18, 2007 - 09:39 AM on January 18th, 2007
DV, In the 8 years of Clinton, what did he do to stop Illegal Immigration? Don’t strain yourself, the answer is NOTHING! In fact, he tried to gut border enforcement entirely.
I lived in SoCal for the first half of the 90s. I saw the bonzai charges of the illegals thru the car lanes at the border. I saw the deaperate pleas of the elected officeials for more border agents, the national guard to called out, the army put on the border all get ignored by Clinton while he was playing with Cigars and Monica’s anatomy.
January 18, 2007 - 01:22 PM on January 18th, 2007
I don’t negate Clinton’s role in the illegal immigrant problem. I AM NOT A CLINTON FAN! The amnesty program started with Reagan and continued on with Bush I, Many of those problems were dumped on Clinton when he took office in Jan 93. Unfortunately he had a Republikan controlled Congress who blew off a lot of his immigration reform proposals and continued on until he left office. The problem INCREASED with Bush II and still continues to this very day. I agree that Clinton was in collusion with the Bush Crime Family by allowing our borders become sieves. I was and STILL am against NAFTA which Clinton railroaded through Congress and has caused ALL of OUR manufacturing jobs to go to hell in a hand basket. NAFTA has also gutted the Mexican agriculture culture and eliminated many jobs for those people which is why many are running to this country. Also, the U.S. manufacturing companies that went to Mexico pay them next to nothing in wages which is another reason why they’re here as they can make more money. Besides Halliburton the corporations like Apple, GM, IBM, Proctor & Gamble AND BIG OIL encouraged it (the list goes on and on) –look at all the cheap labor working on the oil rigs. Regarding homeless veterans they had very few programs for them, and in fact Bush CUT BACK on veterans aid. I know this personally because in my spare time I VOLUNTEER at the local VA hospital and I have chances SPEAK to many of them to find out how they got that way. A lot has to do with untreated mental disorders they had after Vietnam, the Gulf War and now Iraq/Afghanistan. Thank God Sen. Boxer is addressing this issue, like PTSD, and some things are FINALLY being done about it. The VA needs beefed up funding and hopefully this Congress will provide it for these very sick veterans! I suggest you get off your Lazy Boy and take a ride over to your local VA Hospital and push around some disabled vets in their wheelchairs or spend time talking to some very lonely people and let them know that you care, if that is possible with you!
January 18, 2007 - 01:41 PM on January 18th, 2007
Bush has funded the Vet’s and the amounts are record breaking. Again with your hand out..let me just say, YOU ARE WELCOME. Rather than give us false fact about what they don’t have, learn what they do. Alcoholism and drugs are a major factor…Where are their families by the way?
…It was the democrats (Kennedy) that pushed that amnesty through when Reagan was in office. Clinton didn’t inherit any mess. He had the power to take care of the problem but he chose not to. He didn’t want to militarize the borders because there was the risk of agents being bought off…
January 18, 2007 - 01:41 PM on January 18th, 2007
Bush has funded the Vet’s and the amounts are record breaking. Again with your hand out..let me just say, YOU ARE WELCOME. Rather than give us false fact about what they don’t have, learn what they do. Alcoholism and drugs are a major factor…Where are their families by the way?
…It was the democrats (Kennedy) that pushed that amnesty through when Reagan was in office. Clinton didn’t inherit any mess. He had the power to take care of the problem but he chose not to. He didn’t want to militarize the borders because there was the risk of agents being bought off…
January 18, 2007 - 09:09 PM on January 18th, 2007
Alcoholism and drugs are the end result of PTSD. Regarding the families of these sick veterans many of them DON’T HAVE ANY FAMILIES or if they do their families turned their backs on them and rejected them because of their mental disorders. Teddy Kennedy did NOT push the amnesty through. It was Reagan from the get-go as by then there were thousands of illegals here and there was no law enforcement established by the Republikans to arrest them and send them back. You can blame this one on the Republikans and their corporate masters as it started with Reagan breaking up the Air Traffic Controllers Union. Don’t blame Clinton for all of the illegals being here. It’s all a part of the New World Order which started with Nixon and Ford. You need to get your facts straight and read the history. By the way how soon are you going to start VOLUNTEERING at your nearest VA Hospital? Support the Troops means more than a magnet on your car. The staff is WAITING FOR YOU!
January 18, 2007 - 10:33 PM on January 18th, 2007
“Hey everyone–I Pay BIG taxes so I expect the best from MY government on the return of my money. Telling me to go “fuck off”doesn’t change the government.”
You must have a plate in your head, because you obviously have reading comprehension problems. I told you to fuck off because you had the audacity to tell me what is best for me.
“I’d rather see the tax dollars go back into the pockets of the people than into the greedy hands of Halliburton. That’s right–I Pay and the money should be going back to ME and the people who need it, not the corporate welfare of Exxon/Mobil, Chevron etc.”
I completely agree. Corporate welfare must cease, but are you actually niave enough to think that if “Universal Healthcare” is implemented that they will use existing taxes to fund it? You are talking about governement tale over of up to 1/7 of our economy.
No, you liberals love your entitlement state, and a fundamental truth is that to create it you will need mor money. In turn, that means an increase in taxes, which in turn means less economical growth and less money in my pocket.
Keep you fucking hands out of my pocket.
“By the way YOU DON’T have to accept your social security check, a free medical exam, Medicare, or a college grant if YOU don’t want it. No one is twisting your arm or forcing you to fill out the paperwork.”
I agree- simply allow me to opt out of social security and that is a fair deal. I’ll take the money I pay, which is unlikely I will never see any of (as the system will be broken by the time I retire) and invest it in something that will actually allow me to support MYSELF when I retire, instead of living off dog food and grass stew.
“As for me I would like government return of tax monies to happen for me and my employees! They work hard enough and they pay taxes too
Also, NOTHING IS FREE BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID INTO THE SYSTEM!”
Not true. Plenty of folks get yhinks for free. That said at the same time you are right- it isn’t free for me. I pay and someone else gets the benefit when it comes to the entitlement society.
Including social security, there is NOTHING the private sector can’t do bettere than the government. Places my share of Social security in a low risk money market or a frigging savings account and I’ll do better every time.
January 18, 2007 - 10:40 PM on January 18th, 2007
70- Alcoholism and drugs are not a result of PTSD, otherwise all the addicts we have would be sufferingfrom PTSD. PTSD is an excuse for the addiction…
Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut
And Einstein, next time you want to discuss facts, come to the table with one..you just make it up as you go along.
And what bill was he referring to? Was it Craig-Kennedy amnesty? Or was it McCain-Kennedy amnesty? Note how Kennedy is involved in both amnesty plans!
4- Get an education!
5- The firing of those Air Controllers was by far the most ballsy thing Reagan rightfully did…Reminded me of JFK/US Steel
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January 18, 2007 - 11:52 PM on January 18th, 2007
You still don’t change my mind with your right wing, neo-con blather. I’ve done my research. Right wingers have their own research which ALWAYS distorts the truth. Funding for veterans HAD to go up under Bush because of all the damage he’s inflicted on the troops. I don’t recall Clinton sending in troops to fight a war that’s lasted longer than World War II. However, any so-called “information” you get out of the Annenberg trash rag is ALL neo-con, right wing, distorted conservative bullshit! He was Nixon’s good buddy and anything coming out of that camp has got to be a pile of crapola. What’s even funnier is you quoting Ed Meese, another right wing Reaganite piece of crap!
January 19, 2007 - 12:03 AM on January 19th, 2007
“You still don’t change my mind with your right wing, neo-con blather. I’ve done my research. Right wingers have their own research which ALWAYS distorts the truth.”
Tell you what, I’ve found that the “liberal truth” is no more accurate than the “conservative truth”.
Physician, heal thyself.
January 19, 2007 - 12:31 AM on January 19th, 2007
Forgot to add one more thing concerning Reagan. When he was governor of Kalifornia he closed down most of the hospitals for the mentally ill and put them all out on the street. He thought that just by giving them a Prozac or two would cure ALL of their problems. Once he put them out on the street, creating massive homelessness for very unemployable, unstable and sick people, the violent crimes skyrocketed. He’s the same asshole that said “once you’ve seen one redwood tree, you’ve seen them all.”
January 19, 2007 - 02:38 AM on January 19th, 2007
#75 You are hopelessly ignorant. What you posted is 100% WRONG. I lived through that time and remember it well. What really happened was that a bunch of advocacy groups for the mentally ill people in various institutions decided that it was inhumane and wrong to keep them in institutions. So they went to court and it was the courts who forced the release of these people. They were supposed to transition over to outpatient clinics for help. That part never happened and instead they fell through the cracks. It was NOTHING to do with Reagan.
If this is an indicator of how you have formed your opinions then you really need to go back and rethink just about everything. Seriously.
January 19, 2007 - 03:28 AM on January 19th, 2007
hey bird brain–I lived in Kalifornia too when this happened, Canoga Park, to be exact and I saw it ALL play out too. The pharmaceutical money to Ronnie was TOO BIG for him to decline so anti-depressants and more drugs for everyone!! The advocacy groups wanted IMPROVEMENTS made in the systems, like better facilities which would have cost Kalifornia big $$. Ronnie was also VERY BIG IN THE PROPOSITION 13 MOVEMENT! What does heartless cheap-ass Ronnie do? He shuts them down with no outpatient help being the bastard that he was–glad he’s gone too! Even his daughter Nancy Davis (SHE REFUSED TO USE HIS LAST NAME!) was a friend of one of my buddies so I found out lots of stuff. All the homeless crazies in San Diego, Long Beach, El Lay, Santa Monica, Venice Beach going all the way up north to San Francisco and beyond is ALL REAGAN’S FAULT! AS I SAID I WAS THERE TOO AS A WITNESS TO ALL THAT SHIT! By the way, even Ron Jr. is very ashamed for what his father did!
January 19, 2007 - 07:13 AM on January 19th, 2007
DV, you are totally delusional. You are angry, bigoted, and closed minded. There is no discussion with you. At every turn you spout non-facts and Far left wingnut propaganda. If you were in the military, you were the cancer in the unit.
January 19, 2007 - 08:32 AM on January 19th, 2007
73- How odd you would say that..every liberal I know sites it..I guess you just don’t like being shown facts. You seem to be happy wallowing in your ignorance.
Our troops are still in the Balkans
What are people with mental health issues treated with today? Oh that’s right..Anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medication. They get them from the private healthcare facilities throughout the states that are subsidized by the feds.
January 19, 2007 - 08:33 AM on January 19th, 2007
78- Something like that:wink:
January 19, 2007 - 01:33 PM on January 19th, 2007
PCD, YOU are totally delusional. You are angry, bigoted, and closed minded. There is no discussion with you. At every turn you spout non-facts and Far Right wingnut propaganda. If you were in the military, which I doubt, you would be the cancer in the unit.
January 19, 2007 - 01:42 PM on January 19th, 2007
peejz–It’s not odd for right wingers to cite made up facts and figures–it’s their stock and trade. They learned very well from Lee Atwater (bye!bye!) and now Karl Rove, delivered by the idiots on Faux News…I guess you just don’t like being shown facts. You seem to be happy wallowing in your ignorance.
Our troops are still in Iraq/Afghanistan, the Balkans, Phillipines, South America–everywhere!
What are people with mental health issues treated with today? Oh that’s right..Anti-depressants and anti-psychotic medication. They get them from the private healthcare AND the government VA facilities in ALL states states that are subsidized by the taxpayers.
January 19, 2007 - 01:47 PM on January 19th, 2007
Re post 81: Funny, San Francisco Liberal has been known to do the same thing: Copy and paste exactly what someone else wrote, and just change a few words. It is his M.O., his style, exactly.
And when you spew your response DV, could you also answer one question about the mentally ill/Reagan argument: WHO sued to force the patients out of the hospitals? Was it Reagan? The answer to that question is the core of this argument.
January 19, 2007 - 02:02 PM on January 19th, 2007
Robert, you know better to corner a left wingnut. DV will probably go Postal. I do not believe either the DV persona or SFL was ever in the military. More and more we are seeing Liberal sockpuppetry. They are outnumbered, outclassed, and outfacted. They lose in the arena of ideas, that is why lib radio fails miserably. The DV nutcase just can’t take it.
January 19, 2007 - 02:05 PM on January 19th, 2007
SFL was certainly never in the military; I believe he has said so. i think it is a good bet that this new “DV” character is SFL, in drag.
January 19, 2007 - 02:07 PM on January 19th, 2007
PCD, do you think Liberal trolls come here voluntarily from DU, Daily Pos, etc., or could they be on somebody’s payroll?
January 19, 2007 - 02:30 PM on January 19th, 2007
Robert, the True Believers roam the Internet trying to dupe people all the time. It is like a Jim Jones style cult. I see some of the same trolls roll over to Sister Toldjah, Right from the Right, the Radio Equalizer, and other places. They never gain an inch.
January 19, 2007 - 03:04 PM on January 19th, 2007
They must be hoping to catch an unsuspecting, politically-gullible surfer and plant an evil seed in their mind. That’s why I will often post a counter even though I know their drivel will not gain any traction here.
January 19, 2007 - 03:41 PM on January 19th, 2007
HMMM must do some behind the scenes investigating cause this asshat reminds me of shiloh!
January 19, 2007 - 03:44 PM on January 19th, 2007
DV is right, Reagan dumped the mentally ill onto the streets and made them homeless just because he wanted more money for the rich! Stop arguing about known facts!
Just like how dubya caused Katrina, then hoped all the black folks would be killed! That was done to depopulate large areas of N.O. so it could be sold to developers for big money! This is well known, right DV!
We know the truth!
January 19, 2007 - 03:56 PM on January 19th, 2007
Hey stop knocking my disabled friend! Liberals are all disabled, you know. Were it not for other people, who actually know how to make a country work, a society, and an economy work, this county would not be able to afford the luxury of indulging Liberalism.
But thanks to the hard work and taxes of others, Liberals are free to be themselves! Free!!!
January 19, 2007 - 10:39 PM on January 19th, 2007
This is going to cost YOU ALL BIG MONEY. I hope that there will be a REDUCTION of government services (including police and fire protection along with funding to your schools and hospital medical programs) to ALL of of your communities so you can ALL pay for this which Congress will MAKE YOU PAY!
Army officer warns of mental health woe
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January 19, 2007 - 10:42 PM on January 19th, 2007
THIS IS WHERE YOUR TAX MONEY REALLY WENT
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January 19, 2007 - 10:49 PM on January 19th, 2007
“This is going to cost YOU ALL BIG MONEY. I hope that there will be a REDUCTION of government services (including police and fire protection along with funding to your schools and hospital medical programs) to ALL of of your communities so you can ALL pay for this which Congress will MAKE YOU PAY!”
Listen you numb nut, my father was a decorated vtern of Korea. He saw combat before his 17th birthday, and was in for eight years. As a child, every Christmas Eve I saw him get drunk, because that was when his best friend’s head was literally blown off in front of him.
I saw him suffer through the walking nightmare and alcoholism. See, Korean vets didn’t have the benfit of mental treatment like those coming back from Viet nam and those who currently have.
I’ve been directly impacted bu it, so get off your fucking high horse. For you to wish horrible things on people just because they are politically your polar opposite is shallow in the least, and ignorant in the worst. I am leaning toward the fact that you are ignorant, from the way you misrepresent issues.
I have both liberal and conservative friends. Thank God almighty not all liberals are like you. Some are good folks.
January 19, 2007 - 10:54 PM on January 19th, 2007
Re 93 (DV):
“THIS IS WHERE YOUR TAX MONEY REALLY WENT”
Wait-a-sec…
You mean, the governement wastes money?!?!?!?? You’re kidding me, right? I could have NEVER seen that coming!!! Holy shit!
So let’s do what YOU want to do DV! Let’s create more social programs and expand the governement further so they can waste even MORE of our money!!!
Doesn’t that make so much sense it warms the cocckles of your heart??
(Matthias, if you’re reading this- THAT’S an real example of sarcasm at work.
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January 20, 2007 - 01:16 AM on January 20th, 2007
here’s another one for your $$$
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January 20, 2007 - 01:25 AM on January 20th, 2007
I don’t wish PTSD on anyone as I see it all the time where I VOLUNTEER at the VA Hospital. Are you doing anything to help these disabled veterans? I think NOT. But because of all the problems the returning vets are coming home with, the govt will have to spend big $$ to take care of them. So they will have to make CUTS in other areas, like to states and cities for their community services OR RAISE TAXES which all you righties just love. As a business person I don’t like to pay higher taxes but if it means helping the veterans or supporting my local police/fire/school/hospital services I will. As I asked earlier why aren’t you volunteering at the local VA Hospital? I detect a lot of selfishness, stupidity, ignorance, apathy and greed in you.
January 20, 2007 - 01:33 AM on January 20th, 2007
Additionally, you can delete until hell freezes over. I don’t give a rat’s ass! Additionally you also LACK sensitivity to the financial disaster the Bush Crime Family has put our Treasury in by this illegal war and giving the keys to the vault to the large corporations. Don’t blame the homeless, sick, Katrina victims, the elderly, unemployed or children born into poverty. The theft of the Treasury is NOT their fault!
January 20, 2007 - 02:08 AM on January 20th, 2007
Hey “Disabled Vet”: I am still waiting for you to answer the question: WHO sued to have mental patients turned out of the institutions they were in during the Reagan years in California? Who was it? (hint; it wasn’t Reagan)
I’ve called your bluff and I see that you are just ignoring it. Can’t answer it…won’t answer it…
January 20, 2007 - 02:12 AM on January 20th, 2007
“Are you doing anything to help these disabled veterans?”
Yes, as my father has been a memeber of the VFW since the late 50’s, I am a member of The Sons of the VFW. I’ve been involved in more acts of volunteer work than I could recall, not just with diabaled vets at the VA (Chalmers Wylie) but in Memorial Day services, Veterns’s Days and other forms of community service.
Most recently, I was involved in support in LIMA Company while stationed in Iraq. I co-ordinated product drives for care packages within my company. They are from my hometown area and I welcomed them home.
You do know who LIMA company are, right DV?
And let’s just say I also have a very personal reason for supporting the troops in very realistic concrete ways.
I respect those men and women- the real folks that served without politicl bias. Matter of fact, it was after speaking with over 100 veterns I concluded that John Kerry was a traitor, not for his service like portrayed by Swiftboat but because of his actions afterwards. I value what they say- they certainly educated me on the topic.
January 20, 2007 - 02:14 AM on January 20th, 2007
“As I asked earlier why aren’t you volunteering at the local VA Hospital? I detect a lot of selfishness, stupidity, ignorance, apathy and greed in you.”
So now we know: if you do not volunteer at the VA hospital, then you are selfish and greedy. No matter where else you might volunteer.
Take myself for instance. I have over 7000 hours of volunteer service to date in my community, in a position in which I potentially risk my life every time I work.
But now I understand I am really selfish, stupid, apathetic, and greedy. Uh-huh….
January 20, 2007 - 02:15 AM on January 20th, 2007
“Additionally you also LACK sensitivity to the financial disaster the Bush Crime Family…”
Bush Crime Family…LOL. I wonder if you have any idea of the connections between the Bush Family and the Klinton Krime Konnection, let alone hold a clue about the financial disaster the Clintons have caused in this country.
January 20, 2007 - 02:17 AM on January 20th, 2007
“Additionally, you can delete until hell freezes over. I don’t give a rat’s ass!”
January 20, 2007 - 02:19 AM on January 20th, 2007
But does your “volunteer” work include helping disabled veterans or do you just stick a “Support Our Troops” magnetic ribbon on your car and think that will ease your mind and take of of business. Put Up Or Shut Up! What kind of “volunteer” work do you do? Boy Scout Troop?
January 20, 2007 - 02:20 AM on January 20th, 2007
“Additionally, you can delete until hell freezes over. I don’t give a rat’s ass!”
She’s just asking the common courtesy that you follow the same board rules as everyone else. Believe it or not, you aren’t special.
But please continue to not follow her requests. Less ignorance in the world that way.
Or, are you going to tell by that it is in my best interest too?
January 20, 2007 - 02:21 AM on January 20th, 2007
“But does your “volunteer”work include helping disabled veterans or do you just stick a “Support Our Troops”magnetic ribbon on your car and think that will ease your mind and take of of business. Put Up Or Shut Up! What kind of “volunteer”work do you do? Boy Scout Troop?”
I told you- do you have reading comprehension problems?
January 20, 2007 - 02:23 AM on January 20th, 2007
Like I said in an earlier post I AM NOT A CLINTON FAN! I believe he has done a lot to HURT this country too. Can anyone spell N-A-F-T-A? He did that in collusion with the Bush Crime Family and thanks to all the “Free” (to the Corporations!) Trade Agreements mostly ALL of our jobs have gone bye-bye. I believe ALL of these bullshit trade agreements should be terminated!
January 20, 2007 - 02:23 AM on January 20th, 2007
Another series of brilliant posts by my pal Disabled Vet nails the neocons to the wall!!!
Look at how expertly his fact-filled posts just bowl over the opposition with their combination of expert knowledge, razor-sharp analytical skill, and conclusive supporting facts!!!
Yes DV leaves scorched earth in his wake, his posts are so compelling! He is a true genius!
January 20, 2007 - 02:26 AM on January 20th, 2007
“Like I said in an earlier post I AM NOT A CLINTON FAN! I believe he has done a lot to HURT this country too. Can anyone spell N-A-F-T-A? He did that in collusion with the Bush Crime Family and thanks to all the “Free”(to the Corporations!) Trade Agreements mostly ALL of our jobs have gone bye-bye. I believe ALL of these bullshit trade agreements should be terminated!”
Something we agree on.
Now, when climing to be so proud to be a liberal your should research exactly who among your brethern also suppoted things like NAFTA, CAFTA and giving China MFN trading status. T
January 20, 2007 - 02:30 AM on January 20th, 2007
I don’t have a reading comprehension problem. I asked if your volunteer work included helping the troops. You didn’t answer that. What “danger” could your volunteer work bring to you?
January 20, 2007 - 02:39 AM on January 20th, 2007
“I asked if your volunteer work included helping the troops. You didn’t answer that.”
Yes I did- very clearly.
“What “danger”could your volunteer work bring to you?”
It was never asked of me, nor did I ever say it was. That was Robert.
I guess you DO have reading comprehension problems.
January 20, 2007 - 01:10 PM on January 20th, 2007
REPEAT post #99:
Hey “Disabled Vetâ€: I am still waiting for you to answer the question: WHO sued to have mental patients turned out of the institutions they were in during the Reagan years in California? Who was it? (hint; it wasn’t Reagan)
I’ve called your bluff and I see that you are just ignoring it. Can’t answer it:won’t answer it:
You won’t answer the question, “Disabled Vet”. I am hereby planting a flag in the ground and claiming victory on the Reagan debate. You are wrong, and have been shown to be wrong.
From here on out you have no credibility…
January 20, 2007 - 02:05 PM on January 20th, 2007
Liberalism truly is a form of mental illness…
January 20, 2007 - 02:14 PM on January 20th, 2007
Since “Disabled Vet” won’t/can’t answer the fundamental question “WHO sued to have mental patients turned out of the institutions they were in during the Reagan years in California?” I will answer it for the record:
It was a bunch of meddling, do-gooder Liberal IDIOTS in advocacy groups that sued, thinking they were going to force change for the better. They did force change, and the result was far worse than what they claimed the original problem was.
Yet another historical, anecdotal example of the idiocy of Liberalism.