Dick Cheney Serves Wolf Blitzer A Cup of STFU
Things got testy between Wolf Blitzer and Dick Cheney. Video link here for the Iraq exchange. Ian has the video for the Mary Cheney questioning.  Bring up Cheney’s daughter and you get what you deserve:
BLITZER: You know, we’re out of time, but a couple of issues I want to raise with you: your
daughter, Mary. She’s pregnant. All of us are happy she’s going to have a baby. You’re going to
have another grandchild. Some of the — some critics are suggesting — for example, a statement
from someone representing Focus on the Family, “Mary Cheney’s pregnancy raises the question
of what’s best for children. Just because it’s possible to conceive a child outside of the
relationship of a married mother and father doesn’t mean that it’s best for the child.” Do you want
to respond to that?
CHENEY: No.
BLITZER: She’s, obviously, a good daughter –
CHENEY: I’m delighted I’m about to have a sixth grandchild, Wolf.
And obviously I think the world of both my daughters and all of my grandchildren. And I think,
frankly, you’re out of line with that question.
BLITZER: I think all of us appreciate –
CHENEY: I think you’re out of line.
BLITZER: We like your daughters. Believe me, I’m very sympathetic to Liz and to Mary. I
like them both. That was a question that’s come up, and it’s a responsible, fair question.
CHENEY: I just fundamentally disagree with you.
BLITZER: I want to congratulate you on having another grandchild.
This is the 04′ debates all over again. He wasn’t going to drag his daughter into the mud then, and he has even less reason to do so now. I know this will come as a total shock to all of you, but our elected officials don’t actually agree with everything their voting base does. Cheney was elected in 2000, and it was no secret to the country at that time, that the man had two daughters, one a hetrosexual and the other a homosexual
 And try to get a reaction from him on McCain and you may as well be talking to a wall:
BLITZER: He’s been very critical of you, John McCain.
CHENEY: Well, John’s a good man. He and I have known each other a long time and we
agree on many things and disagree on others.
BLITZER: He said, the other day — he said, “The president listens too much to the vice
president. Of course, the president bears the ultimate responsibility, but he’s been very badly
served by both the vice president and, most of all, the secretary of Defense.” That was John
McCain.
CHENEY: So?
BLITZER: No reaction?
CHENEY: I just disagree with him.
BLITZER: He said, about the former Defense secretary, “Rumsfeld will go down in history,
along with NcNamara, as one of the worst secretaries of Defense –”
CHENEY: I just fundamentally disagree. You heard my speech, when Don retired. I think
he’s done a superb job.
Allah has coverage of McCain’s comments. He does make a valid point:
It was just two years ago McCain had these kind words for Cheney:
“One of the most capable, experienced, intelligent and steady vice president’s this country has ever had….”~Senator John McCain (R) Arizona Source: Washington Post July 2004
January 24, 2007 - 10:35 PM on January 24th, 2007
Hmm BIG BAD WOLF BLITZER gets scalded and the 3 little pigs get WOLF SOUP:razz:
January 25, 2007 - 05:14 AM on January 25th, 2007
[...] –Right Voices: “Bring up Cheney’s daughter and you get what you deserve..” –The Agonist: What really bothers me is that Blitzer was so apologetic about asking a question about Cheney’s gay daughter. Cheney supports Bush who opposes gay marriage and gays having children. So, Wolf’s question is completely in line. Cheney’s a hypocrite, period. But here’s what is going to happen: Cheney and the usual suspects will use this interview as another cudgel to beat up on all them libruls and the librul media and then go do the rest of his interviews with Faux News. I wish Blitzer had just stayed away from the question because it’s a loser. Period. [...]
January 25, 2007 - 08:59 AM on January 25th, 2007
Yes how dare Wuffie quesion Mr Cheney about his daughter and Focus on the Famillies reaction to her pregnancy, I mean it’s not as if FotF has ever supported the GOP based n no small part on the issue of Gay families is it?
January 25, 2007 - 09:35 AM on January 25th, 2007
Cheney should’ve said “Dobson’s out of line”, not Wolf.
I kinda hope they keep pestering Cheney about this… Maybe he doesn’t denounce gay relationships, but he’s chummy with people who do, and never denounces them. I’d like to see Cheney actually stand up for his belief that gays should be able to have relationships…but alas, his heart is dead.
January 25, 2007 - 09:46 AM on January 25th, 2007
“but our elected officials don’t actually agree with everything their voting base does.”
Well then why don’t the speak out against the hateful rhetoric or is dick aware that other than catering to peoples hatred he has nothing to offer.
Also why can’t dick say anything about homosexuals raising children in america…is he incapable of holding his own opinion…admit it dick is a wimp and a coward and a disgrace to his family and this country.
January 25, 2007 - 10:16 AM on January 25th, 2007
This points out what a hypocirtical a*hole His Dickness really is–he will even sacrifice his daughter and grand-baby to the right-wing religious freaks, and it’s not ok for anyone to ask him about it–a complete and total political monster.
So, in a nutshell, it’s perfectly OK for Dobson to smear his daughter and her pregnancy as amoral and sinful, but it’s not ok for Blitzer to ask his opinion on that?
You guys need to lay off the medicinal marijuana.
A little bit behind the 8-ball? Check it out…..
EDITED by peejz- follow proper linking procedures
January 25, 2007 - 10:52 AM on January 25th, 2007
Where is Mary Chene’s stance on FOF? Has she come out and condemned them? It is no one’s business how the Cheney’s feel about it, nor was it necessary for Wolf to try to bring Mary into..had he done it properly, the question could have and would have been answered.
January 25, 2007 - 10:55 AM on January 25th, 2007
5- Cheney is no more hateful than a Rosie O’Donnell…or you for that matter.
January 25, 2007 - 11:01 AM on January 25th, 2007
Mary Cheney was out of the closet way before 2004. She used to work for Coors in the office o gay/lesbian relations. In 2004, Alan Keyes — a religious crackpot running for the Senate — called her “amoral” and “hedonistic”. Neither Momma Cheney nor Poppa Cheney said anything. Of course, they blew their top when Kerry mentioned that she was a lesbian. This time, the same hypocrisy shows its ugly mug. Dobson, the harpies of CWO, and Tony Perkins, all criticized Mary Cheney for her pregnancy. Again, no word from Lynne or Dick. But Blitzer mentions the pregnancy, and he is “out of line”? What a load of crap!
And by the way, Cheney was apoplectic on the interview with Blitzer. He was even more aggressive and hostile than usual. He is like a cornered rabid hyena. He looked like what he is: a dangerous psychopath who lost the upper hand. May he have a heart attack!
January 25, 2007 - 11:18 AM on January 25th, 2007
“May he have a heart attack!”
You’re a real class act, aren’t you?
For the record, Wolfie Blitzer is a known hate-America propagandist pos. So it is no surprise that he would stoop to creating a situation in this interview that was off topic and did not need to come up.
January 25, 2007 - 12:47 PM on January 25th, 2007
I say good for Cheney. Why on earth should he be forced to discuss personal family business on national tv. He is not and never has been one to do that in spite of both Kerry’s and Edwards despicable behavior in the debates of 2004. He’s made statements that in effect say he loves his daughter and stands beside her. That doesn’t mean he has to approve of her lifestyle. But whether or not he approves or disapproves it’s his daughter and he loves her and we have no business going any deeper than that. He’s happy he’s going to be a grandparent again and this means he loves the child his daughter is having regardless of the circumstances.
I’ve always said it and I’ll say it again. There is a misconception among liberals that conservatives never have personal issues (like this) they deal with and that their lives are perfect any deviation from their beliefs is somehow seen as hypocritical. I come from a family of conservatives and found myself pregnant at 16. No one judged me and no one approved of it but we dealt with it. That’s what conservatives do.
January 25, 2007 - 01:45 PM on January 25th, 2007
Cheney should have been handed a loaded shotgun during the Blitzer interview. Then watch Wolfie “squeal like a pig”.
(I know you Libs are wetting your pants right now because of the reference to your favorite movie)
January 25, 2007 - 01:52 PM on January 25th, 2007
“You’re a real class act, aren’t you?”
“Cheney should have been handed a loaded shotgun during the Blitzer interview. Then watch Wolfie “squeal like a pigâ€.”
Ha, ha. Wow.
“For the record, Wolfie Blitzer is a known hate-America propagandist pos”
Ok, Mr. McCarthy.
“He wasn’t going to drag his daughter into the mud then, and he has even less reason to do so now. ”
Leave that to Focus on the Family!
January 25, 2007 - 02:02 PM on January 25th, 2007
How Cheney feels about FoTF is as irrelevant as his views on the Iraq War.
This db hasn’t been right about anything.
But his Halliburton options keep growing, so good for him (bad for America).
BTW, of course Blitzer hates America. He makes his living there. What kind of guy would like a country where he makes a better living than 98% of his fellow citizens. (sarcasm)
January 25, 2007 - 02:46 PM on January 25th, 2007
Ah, I see I have an imitator (post #13). It figures the Left would now stoop to hijacking screennames.
The degeneracy of the Left knows no bounds.
Liberalism is a form of mental illness.
January 25, 2007 - 02:53 PM on January 25th, 2007
You can’t have it both ways, Dick Cheney should have denounced Dobson and nipped it.
If John Gibson can question whether Barak Obama was raised Muslim in his early years, Wolf can question Cheney about the Far Right’s not-so-happy opinion of his dughter’s pregnancy. What does O’Reilly call it - ambush journalism??
January 25, 2007 - 02:56 PM on January 25th, 2007
Robert, after listening to Gibson’s assault on Obama and Mark levin’s crazy rant about “beating up” Keith Olberman, I could say the same about Conservatism, or what you guys think is Conservatism.
You all always need to “kick a Lib” to the curb to feel your oats, it’s so silly, and so emasulating - for you that is.
January 25, 2007 - 03:44 PM on January 25th, 2007
“If John Gibson can question whether Barak Obama was raised Muslim in his early years, Wolf can question Cheney about the Far Right’s not-so-happy opinion of his dughter’s pregnancy.”
The first has to do with Obama himself. The second has to do with someone else, who is not an officeholder. There is no equivalence.
January 25, 2007 - 04:03 PM on January 25th, 2007
“For the record, Wolfie Blitzer is a known hate-America propagandist pos. So it is no surprise that he would stoop to creating a situation in this interview that was off topic and did not need to come up.”
For the record, Wolf Blitzer got his start on Pat Robertson’s CBN as Middle East correspondant. So he’s hardly a hate-America propagandist. Let’s just say he’s one of the spineless MSM talking heads that have allowed this country to be trashed by the likes of Cheney. What I find amusing is that he is piling on Cheney with everyone else now that it’s clear to almost everyone what a disaster Bush/Cheney been for this country. And he still backs off when Cheney snarls at him. Blitzer looks pathetic to both the left and now, finally, the right. What I don’t get is why Cheney thinks it’s a good idea to show his face outside of the Fox News bunker.
January 25, 2007 - 04:03 PM on January 25th, 2007
It is no one’s business how the Cheney’s feel about it
But it is the Republican’s business to legislate against it. That makes perfect sense. I think it’s fine that Mary’s having a kid, it IS her business, but why, then, does her and her father’s party want to make such things illegal? Shouldn’t the VP, as someone with a stake in the matter and a public office holder, have an opinion about this? Or does Republican leadership mean it’s OK to cower behind your daughter’s skirt and whine at the messenger?
This is good too:
The first has to do with Obama himself. And he openly denied it, resented the implication that he went to a radical Islamic madrassas and CNN did a report that debunks the charges — yet Gibson says Obama, everyone in the report, CNN and even Insight and Fox (which blame Clinton for their lack of fact checking, and don’t back their report) are lying. Meanwhile, Cheney, as a Republican Vice President won’t even answer a simple question about his lesbian daughter’s pregency when other prominent Republicans are criticizing her for it?
Now that’s a man.
I love the fact too that Robert thinks his handle is so obscure and odd that someone else could possibly use the name in good faith.
January 25, 2007 - 04:10 PM on January 25th, 2007
“For the record, Wolfie Blitzer is a known hate-America propagandist pos”
Who says, you? LOL
Excellent analysis Jay & Fiasco - Bravo. I bet all of our comments are deleted soon….
January 25, 2007 - 04:51 PM on January 25th, 2007
#20; dat be so
January 25, 2007 - 04:57 PM on January 25th, 2007
#18 I don’t care if Wolf Blitzer started out as Pat Robertson’s cabin boy. What matters is what Wolfie has done in the last few years, and that is a reoctd of shame for all to see. A blame-America, hate-America, hate the military, total pos.
I’ll bet Jay P., Fiasco, and Maria are all the same poster. Another visiotr from DU.
January 25, 2007 - 05:14 PM on January 25th, 2007
Ah, worng again, ask whomever maintains this site, I am neither of them, he/she can check the isps. I like up in hell - NYC - as you’all like to call it. i’m in big bad Lib Jungle - far far from the dysfunction in Right Wing Junction.
And you are agreeing that we should be censored, very Right Wing of you my dear sir. At lrast you are consistant.
January 25, 2007 - 05:21 PM on January 25th, 2007
How ridiculuos you neo-con! They all seem to be posters of the highest intelligence and intellect, very worthy of the designation “liberal”! As Maria so correctly pointed out, Jay and Fiasco’s analysis was brilliant, cutting, and so thorough that notice how there is no neocon response? hah!
Jay, Maria, and Fiasco, you are doing well. You are well on your way to establishing impeccable liberal credentials. And don’t you just love being liberals? Isn’t it a woinderful feeling knowing that in addition to being vastly intellectually superior, that you also care more? Care about the environment, about the poor, about defending the helpless? About stopping state-sponsored murder, about promoting the U.N., about furthering cooperation with the European Union, about all things warm and fuzzy and wonderful?
I gotta go now and play some of my Joan Baez records. Maybe a little Peter, Paul, and Mary!
Ciao!
ps: Keep those neocons on the run!
January 25, 2007 - 05:23 PM on January 25th, 2007
And you are agreeing that we should be censored, very Right Wing of you my dear sir. At lrast you are consistant.”
Huh? When are you going to type something that makes sense?
January 25, 2007 - 05:33 PM on January 25th, 2007
“#20; dat be so”
Is what you wrote.
Super Lib is obviously having a bad reaction to his/her meds…let’s all say a prayer for Super Lib, she/he needs guidance. Let’s see, what biblical quote comes to mind, oh yes,
Judge not lest ye be Drudged…
January 25, 2007 - 05:48 PM on January 25th, 2007
to clarify: “dat be so” referred to:
“”For the record, Wolfie Blitzer is a known hate-America propagandist posâ€
Who says, you? LOL”
I say it, many other say it, and I’ll say it again: Wolf is a known America-hating, blame-America-first, hate-the-military, pos.
January 25, 2007 - 05:51 PM on January 25th, 2007
Obviously these are not educated people Robert…
source
January 25, 2007 - 10:06 PM on January 25th, 2007
Heh Robert or faux robert - whatever you are, I was quoting someone else and I said -
Who says, you? LOL
Excellent analysis Jay & Fiasco - Bravo. I bet all of our comments are deleted soon:.
What I thought you were commenting on. I didn’t realize you were agreeing with the same tired remark repeated on the Right Wing group think group crowd….
January 25, 2007 - 11:04 PM on January 25th, 2007
Re Maria 15:
“You can’t have it both ways, Dick Cheney should have denounced Dobson and nipped it.”
I am wondering if you are a parent, becasue if you were you would realize that in this case Cheney can have it “both ways”.c He can disagree with his daughter’s choice of lifestyle, but that doesn’t mean he would stop living her.
Re Jay B. 19:
But it is the Republican’s business to legislate against it. That makes perfect sense.
Yes, it does.
The rest of your statement is misrepresentative of their position. Please show me where the Republicans want to make mary Cheney having a baby illegal.
Re 23 (Maria):
“And you are agreeing that we should be censored, very Right Wing of you my dear sir. At lrast you are consistant.”
I have two words for you:
Democrat Underground.
Physician, heal thyself.
January 25, 2007 - 11:05 PM on January 25th, 2007
Wow Maria yer way kewl. I luv how you just slay these neocons! I bet yer a babe 2! 420 friendly, no doubt!
January 26, 2007 - 12:38 AM on January 26th, 2007
Re 30, not only am I the parent of a 29 year old daughter and 30 year old son-in-law, i have a four year old granddaughter.
If my daughter were gay and I were in the public spotlight, i.e., political, regardless of whether I was Dem, Repub or Libertarian, or otherwise well known and noted, I would speak out against any Right Wing - Left Wing group that uses their bully pulpit and the Bible to take issue regardless of whether I was Dem, Repub or Libertarian.
Human Rights are human rights, period. The Fred Phelps of the world with his crazy fugly daughters can/could kiss my chops.
But unfortunately our political figures cannot think or speak for themselves anymore, that bully pulpit has won.
January 26, 2007 - 12:44 AM on January 26th, 2007
“I have two words for you:
Democrat Underground.
Physician, heal thyself.”
Hon, I am far to old and far too moderate for DU. But you might want to visit that cestpool called Freeperville. LOL
I hear they love to send out envelopes filled with white powder to public officials and not only expect to get away with it, believe it was necessary to get their point across. Don’t remember anyone on DU doing that. And no one over at DU fancies blowing up Federal Buildings in memory of a child molester running a cult or Women’s Centers,
so maybe you
should heal thyself, thank you.
January 26, 2007 - 12:46 AM on January 26th, 2007
“Wow Maria yer way kewl. I luv how you just slay these neocons! I bet yer a babe 2! 420 friendly, no doubt!”
I already know what you are, don’t feel the need to commit the sin of gambling….LOL
January 26, 2007 - 12:51 AM on January 26th, 2007
And I am hardly 420 friendly, I have been sober since 1994. I hate pot, it is not allowed in my presence or my house.
Actually, I’m target friendly, I am a Democrat who supports the 2nd Amendment. Small government and the 2nd Admendment is the only thing you fools are right about….LOL.
January 26, 2007 - 09:25 AM on January 26th, 2007
32- That is your right to speak out and your choice. In the case of the Cheney’s they have spoken out and don’t feel the need to keep repeating themselves. They too have rights. Did it ever occur to you that when they think of their daughters, they don’t think of 1 as hetro and 1 as homo? They might just think of them as the daughters they love unconditionally?
January 26, 2007 - 09:50 AM on January 26th, 2007
In Cheney’s case he is keeping quiet not to upset the apple cart with Dr. Dobson and crew, nothing more, nothing less. Stop being so PC about it, no matter how you all spin it, it is what it is.
Dick Cheney’s daughter’s respect carries more water than the political pandering of the Far Right Fringe of the GOP, IMHO.
But Mr. Cheney cannot speak his mind about how he and his daughter may have felt about how she was judged on the pages of Focus on the Family and and editorial in Town Hall mainly because the GOP needs “Dr. Popinjay” and crew to win elections.
January 26, 2007 - 11:24 AM on January 26th, 2007
37- Really, and you know this how? Because you assume it? You are the perfect example of an ass assuming. You obviously aren’t smart enough to comprehend the comments he has made on the subject. He and his family have addressed the subject. It is not necessary to address every person that comments on it and he most definitely doesn’t need to answer to the likes of you..Think before you speak, it would serve you well.
January 26, 2007 - 11:35 AM on January 26th, 2007
Stop the politically correct balderdash, he never has addressed it with the far Right Fringe and I think he should. You give those people an inch and they want to take a mile. I am not talking about regular Christian eVangelicals, i am talking about the far Right fire and brimstone types who are the equivalent of Islamists. the type who want to use the bible to govern like the wacks in Saudi Arabia want to use the Koran.
Those types want to be appeased, they want things their way, it is their way or no way and Dick Cheney should set them straight. When what’s her name wrote the editorial on Town Hall he should have answered with a rebuttal immediately. It is none of their business what Mary Cheney says, does, eats, drinks, sleeps with, period. And her father should have the gumption to rail up against this, but politically he can not.
Bottomline the GOP need these people to win.
January 26, 2007 - 11:36 AM on January 26th, 2007
Sorry for my lack of caps, my keyboard is on the fritz….
January 26, 2007 - 02:01 PM on January 26th, 2007
39- Those types want to be appeased, they want things their way, it is their way or no way
And how is that any different from you? What part of not addressing every group did you not understand?
It is none of their business what Mary Cheney says, does, eats, drinks, sleeps with, period.
But somehow it is your business?
And her father should have the gumption to rail up against this, but politically he can not.
Asked and answered on 04′.
January 26, 2007 - 02:09 PM on January 26th, 2007
Should have answered the recent editorial from the female wingnut on Town Hall. Nipped her in the bud, showed her who was boss and that the Grand Old party will not be usurped by Fringe elements, period.
Maybe some of the former members would come back and not vote Libertarian and Dem.
January 26, 2007 - 02:14 PM on January 26th, 2007
42- You really are just blissfully ignorant..
January 26, 2007 - 04:09 PM on January 26th, 2007
Blitzer should have kicked Cheney’s fat white ass off the show. Cheney talks tough for an obese old creep with a bum ticker. Cheney had an opportunity in his life to actually be a tough guy and stand up for what he believed in - but he had other priorities - keeping that fat white ass in one piece - and he ran like the cowardly bully he is.
January 26, 2007 - 04:34 PM on January 26th, 2007
Re 32 (Maria):
“Hon, I am far to old and far too moderate for DU. But you might want to visit that cestpool called Freeperville. “
I agree with you- I do not like the Freepers. The are extremist IMO. However, let’s re-examine your statement I based my comment on:
“And you are agreeing that we should be censored, very Right Wing of you my dear sir. At lrast you are consistant.â€
You were stating that censorship is strictly a right wing trait. I say balderdash and I gave a very real example to the contrary, and can give more. (Al Franken, anyone?).
I am saying, dear woman, the censorship is not a right wing trait but a uman trait. Both the extreme left and the right do this when they hear something they disagree with.
The difference here between you and I is that I do not equate said trait with a particular position.
That sated, I beleive I am the moderate here, and will stick with my advice:
Physician, heal thyself.
“Human Rights are human rights, period.”
I also agree, but must ask what human rights are you refering to? The right to make the life style decision to be gay? I see no one being denied that.
Please clarify.
January 26, 2007 - 05:27 PM on January 26th, 2007
I am saying, dear woman, the censorship is not a right wing trait but a uman trait. Both the extreme left and the right do this when they hear something they disagree with.
Gay people should be acknowledged and have equal right under the laws, but I also believe divorce should not be that easy, hetero-sexual people should not be able to trample the sanctity of marriage in this country, it’s disgusting.
Regarding Mary Cheney and gays, in respect to my human rights analogy, I believe that some people on the Far Right of the spectrum have nothing but hate and disdain for those who are different than them, such as homosexuals. I live in NYC, came here to go to college and stayed, (wish I didn’t, but that’s another story, I hate this place) but I come from a tiny town in Middle America and am still in contact and very friendly with high school friends who are very Far Right.
I completely agree with you, the Far Left is wacko too. Just to clarify my position, I am 15% left of Center Dem, do not subscribe to the Far Left or Right, believe this country is noble, but with this administration was have made serious mistakes. Do not have a problem with guns rights, if by law I could own a gun I would. I believe in less government, am pro-choice, anti death penalty and extremely anti-euthanasia. I sided with Terri Schiavo’s parents, was deeply upset by her story and thought Michael Schiavo was a prick for his disrespect of her parents. I was also extremely suspisious of what really happened that last night. I believe we should defend ourselves but don’t believe we should be in Iraq. I live 30 blocks from Ground Zero, was here, lived through it. Like most Nyers I would have perferred going after Bin Laden, then took out the prick in Bagdad. I believe everyone who lives here should speak the King’s English, the fact that they don’t is my worst pet peeve. I deal with it daily and it is absolutely sickening.
I guess my problem with Dick Cheney’s handling of this situation with Blitzer is that generally Dick Cheney is ready, willing and able to set people straight who disagee with him or this administration. But he handles the Far Right Fringe with kid gloves.
I am thankful that the Democratic party has become so diversified, many of our new people, like Jim Webb and John Tester, I am thankful they were elected. I think we showed the Far Left that they do not run the party, we are not all Che’ Leftists and I wish the GOP would do the same.
Too much Tim Mcveigh and Ted Kaczynski is just not go for our democracy.
January 26, 2007 - 05:29 PM on January 26th, 2007
meant to say -
Too much Tim Mcveigh and Ted Kaczynski is just not good for our democracy.
January 26, 2007 - 05:38 PM on January 26th, 2007
How did Cheney’s daughter get pregnant if she’s not married? This is puzzling…
January 26, 2007 - 05:48 PM on January 26th, 2007
Probably a sperm donor.
January 26, 2007 - 05:49 PM on January 26th, 2007
She certainly has the money to pay for it.
January 26, 2007 - 07:37 PM on January 26th, 2007
the thing is, all of this doesn;t matter. we should be focussing on the fact that the so called “Dick Cheney” is not even a human. I am telling you, he is some kind of android who has death rays for eyes, or something. we must get to the bottom of this- who or what is dick cheney??? AND WHO MADE HIM?
January 26, 2007 - 07:51 PM on January 26th, 2007
I don’t know about that, I just think he is guilty of political pandering to the Far Right Fringe of the GOP. Maybe if more Republicans stood up to them more mainstream Americans would vote Republican. The elections were proof positive that this is a moderate country, that we do not sit well with idealogues pushing their agendas and that we want a strong separation between Church & State.
And we already know that Dick and Lynn Cheney are hardly overly religious, they are your everyday run of the mill country club Republicans. Dick Cheney, in his real life and real skin is hardly going to allow the Right Wing Fringe to attack his daughter, if he wasn’t in political office both he and Lynn Cheney would tell Dr. Dobson to shove it.
I am really surprised that Lynn Cheney did not rebut that crazy editorial on Townhall. If she used the same deameanor with the female fringe wacko from Townhall that she did with John Kerry I would be impressed.
January 26, 2007 - 07:57 PM on January 26th, 2007
So Kennedy, Kerry and Pelosi are mainstream?
People shouldn’t have to give up their beliefs, and they won’t.
The elections were nothing more than a rebuke of the Iraq war, nothing more, nothing less.
January 26, 2007 - 09:04 PM on January 26th, 2007
I disagree. The country has never been so divided as it is and has been with this brand of Far Right brand of Republicans. They are hateful, unaccepting of others - the most UnChristian behavior this side of the 10th gate of hell.
America is just plain sick of it, the hate, and the double standard with Cunningham, Foley and Haggard. The constant provocative speech of Coulter and some on talk radio is just not what this country wants to hear or chooses to listen too. Even Fox news’ ratings have dropped 17-20% in some demographics.
It behooves Dick Cheney to not look like he is pandering to these people and their ilk. America and Americans do not do well with idealogues, period.
The Republican Party has allowed the Far Right to paint them into a corner. The threats from Dobson and Falwell are loud and piercing, “you need us to win and we will not be used by The Republican Party, they better know who put them in power”.
I say cut out the fringe and embrace America. Most of the country is moderate, they are not the Western version of the wackos we are fighting.
January 26, 2007 - 09:15 PM on January 26th, 2007
“Gay people should be acknowledged and have equal right under the laws…”
I agree…but don’t they already?
I am of the opinion that the problem is within the current system. “Marriage” is an institution where secularism has failed miserably. The institution needs to be seperated in it’s entirety: 1) “marriage”, the religious institution and 2) “civil unions”- the state institution. only when this happens will gay couples be afforded the same legal rights as heteros. As long as the two remian intermangled (yes, I meant that) gays this will not happen.
On the flip side, I also agree that a society has a right to pass laws to protect itself cfrom whatever it deems fit as long as it does not infringe upon one’s civil rights. I have yet to see the argument that marriage is a civli right, or the benfits there of. Like driving, it is a state licensed activity. Like driving, marriage is not a right and can be revoked or denied for whatever the state deems to be reasonable cause.
Seems conflicting? It isn’t. To summerize: Once the state institution is secularized, I believe civil unions should be granted to gays. However, it is not a right.
If you wish, I will clarify my general beliefs for you like you were kind enough to do.
January 26, 2007 - 09:18 PM on January 26th, 2007
“The elections were nothing more than a rebuke of the Iraq war, nothing more, nothing less.”
AND Republican corruption.
Abramoff, DeLay et al hurt your team big time, along with Iraq.
January 26, 2007 - 09:22 PM on January 26th, 2007
I believe they should be granted the rights of civil unions and I feel they should be protected from violence and hate crimes.
Why are the Republicans also so opposed to the hate crime thing?
January 26, 2007 - 09:23 PM on January 26th, 2007
“I agree:but don’t they already?”
No. Gay couples do not have the same rights that straight couples have…you’ve heard it before…1000 some “rights” that married couples recieve such as hospital visitation, end of life arrangements, joint tax filings, etc…the list goes on and on.
Gay adoption bans is another big one…
Gay and lesbian employees are often unable to have their “partners” covered under group health insurance plans or other employee benefits that married couples take for granted…
Do you want more?
January 26, 2007 - 09:24 PM on January 26th, 2007
Seriously, there is a major civil rights movement going on in our nation in regards to homosexual rights, and your team is fighting it.
That’s bad.
January 26, 2007 - 09:26 PM on January 26th, 2007
“The country has never been so divided as it is and has been with this brand of Far Right brand of Republicans. They are hateful, unaccepting of others - the most UnChristian behavior this side of the 10th gate of hell.”
I disagree.
First off, Bushco isn’t the only devisive force. Algore and his merry band of lawyers have a lot to do with it also.
Secondly, Lincoln, LBJ and the Hoover Admins are just three cases off the top of my head that were more divisive.
Second of all…do we really want to bring up politicians and Christian behaviour? None of them do it. You know…adultry in the oval office isn’t exactly Christain, not to mention lying (which every national level politician excels at).
January 26, 2007 - 09:27 PM on January 26th, 2007
Several months back there was a Columbia student - white, who was attacked, beaten and killed up on 125th Street in Harlem. Several of the bloggers on the Right reported on the case like Michelle Malkin and wanted it classed as a hate crime.
When I heard the story, like most Manhattanites, I was skeptical about the white issue. I knew it wasn’t because he was white, it was probably because he was gay, or they thought he was. When that part of the story came out the Right wing bloggers dropped the story.
January 26, 2007 - 09:29 PM on January 26th, 2007
“Gay couples do not have the same rights that straight couples have:you’ve heard it before:1000 some “rights”that married couples recieve such as hospital visitation, end of life arrangements, joint tax filings, etc:the list goes on and on.”
I agree that I’d like to see gay couples aforded those, but they aren’t rights.
January 26, 2007 - 09:33 PM on January 26th, 2007
“Why are the Republicans also so opposed to the hate crime thing?”.
I don’t know- I’m not a Republican. Perhaps you should ask one of them.
January 26, 2007 - 10:16 PM on January 26th, 2007
If not rights, what are they? What do you call them?
January 26, 2007 - 10:24 PM on January 26th, 2007
“If not rights, what are they? What do you call them?”
I call them privledges, which is a thing to which one has a just claim. These are granted by laws and can also be taken away by said laws. In this example, our society could completely do away with marriage, and it would be legal as marriage is a privledge, and not a right.
Right are inherent and are granted due to one’s very existance.
January 26, 2007 - 11:04 PM on January 26th, 2007
Well then they should be just as privledged as the next guy IMHO, including Mary Cheney.
January 26, 2007 - 11:06 PM on January 26th, 2007
In defense of Cheney, he was in opposition to that ridiculous marriage admendment cooked up as a diversion and nothing more.
January 26, 2007 - 11:25 PM on January 26th, 2007
“Well then they should be just as privledged as the next guy IMHO, including Mary Cheney.”
But you re missing a fundamental difference in the two.
A privledge can be rightfully dictated by a society, where a right can not as it is inherent to every person.
If society wants to define marriage as a privledge between a man and a woman, that is society’s perogative. You and I may disagree but that is still society’s perogative. It is up to those who believe so to sway enough folks to have Congress vote it into law. It is NOT “civil rights” issue like portrayed by San Francisco Liberal.
January 26, 2007 - 11:38 PM on January 26th, 2007
Second of all
o we really want to bring up politicians and Christian behaviour? None of them do it. You know:adultry in the oval office isn’t exactly Christain, not to mention lying (which every national level politician excels at).
Yes, because when the Right believes there should be no clear separation of Church and State it becomes a part of the dialouge. And what about Sam brownbeck, Rick Santorum?
On the Left side of the aisle we do not purport to be religious idealogues, we see ourselves and our politicians as sinners to be judged by the deity only.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
January 26, 2007 - 11:59 PM on January 26th, 2007
I have a better idea Tedintheshed, how about the Right Fringe not construing the Bible about people they are opposed to.
You know I have to bring up another issue that is so wacky. I am listening to WABC 77 on my computer and it is Laura Ingraham’s show from earlier today. She is asking people/callers what the worst sound in the world is, and of course it’s all about bashing Pelosi, Barbara Wawa’s dog, Rosie O’Donell, Susan Estrich, Charlie Rangel.
I mean this lawyer who btw - was dumped after her fiancee decided not to marry her because she was diagnosed with breat cancer (nice Conservative guy, sounds like a Newt Gingrich tale we will not mention)- where does she get the balls? I mean isn’t she embarrassed by the very childishness of her shtick? I have never listened to her show although I did see her once on C-Span and all she could muster was making fun of Marilu Angelou and only stopped after the host shamed her into stopping. Not intentionally, but like me, he questioned the “high school - jr high” direction of her conversation and she felt uncomfortable ad apologized trying to elucidate her behavior.
So silly, and Conservatives had problems with Howard Stern…the very airlessness of her routine is shamimg me, I am embarrassed listening to her. I feel like ai am being Hilton-ed or Lohan-ed or Britney-ed against my will. yuck.
There is just something not very appealing about a perimenopausal woman acting like an 8th grader. So very unstimulating, double yuck.
January 27, 2007 - 12:01 AM on January 27th, 2007
I guess her show cancels out that old adage that Liberals can only resort to making fun of people or name calling when they feel they are loosing the arguement…LOL
January 27, 2007 - 01:13 AM on January 27th, 2007
“Yes, because when the Right believes there should be no clear separation of Church and State it becomes a part of the dialouge. And what about Sam brownbeck, Rick Santorum?”
What do you mean by “the right”? From my dealings with both sides of the isle, as much of the right believes in secularism as the left. While some of the tight lauds religiousism, so does the left whern it suits them. John Kerry is a great example of this.
Not familiar with Brownbeck, but I know Santorum. He’s a hypocrite.
“On the Left side of the aisle we do not purport to be religious idealogues”
Can’t disagree with that. While the right have their religious idealouges, the left have their anti-thiests idealouges.
Same idea, just different extremes.
“I guess her show cancels out that old adage that Liberals can only resort to making fun of people or name calling when they feel they are loosing the arguement:LOL “
Both sides have their abundance of idiots. The Rosie’s, The Ingrams, The Frankens, the Coulters. both side have opinions I can also respect.
This isn’t a “right v. left” thing for me. My job is to rise above the din and sort the 99% of bullshit from the meaningful commentary and ideas. both sides have them. I refuse to sit here and give strictly left or right examples of “what abot this?”. That’s a fool’s game. I will give point/counterpoint examples, like I have with you here. It seems yours are a bit weighted to the right side.
January 27, 2007 - 01:45 AM on January 27th, 2007
you people are ignoring cheney’s inhumanness at your peril. he is somekind of android that must be stopped, for the good of humankind. his lack of humanity is underscored by his lack of empathetic ability. HE IS A MACHINE! the real cheney died in 1995.
January 27, 2007 - 01:50 AM on January 27th, 2007
I think he had his brain implanted into an android.
January 27, 2007 - 02:50 AM on January 27th, 2007
I will agree that the Far Right pisses me off much more than the Far Left. it pisses me off that Dick Cheney cannot and will not take them to task.
As for the whole Rose Trump thing I agreed with Rush Limbaugh for probably the first time in my life - that is - his analysis of the feud. He duly noted that Rosie really took the Conservative road or side of the arguement by not agreeing with giving Tara whats-her-name a second chance. As he said, Conservatives usually don’t do that. He found it odd that she stirred up the ire of the Right. Trump very much took a Liberal position of the girl and now we find out he has been allegedly negoitating a deal for her to model in Playboy. That’s OK, but you would believe that maybe posing in a girly magazine, albeit tasteful as Playboy tends to be, it would somehow be in her contract as a definite no no. So really what was the whole 2nd chance really about?
Like Dick Cheney, Trump deserved to be called on the carpet for his behavior. The fact that Rosie’s professional job is as a comedian, I didn’t take issue with the hair comments. Don Rickles did it for years, he made fun of everyone, comedians do that, she is no different.
The whole flag thing in Palm Beach is just another way for Trump to stay in the spotlight, as they claim his show is tanking. According to Forbes he draws a large part of his wealth from production.
Furthermore, Trump went even further uses Iraq and this administration to boister his argument of why he went after her, you know, it’s about time we hold people accountable for what they say and do…blah blah blah, and that’s why we are in Iraq, blah blah blah. Plus he confused the whole Danny DeVito drunk story. When on with Sean Hannity he accused Rosie of assaulting DeVito, but of course Hannity didn’t have the balls to correct him and inform him that Danny DeVito actually climbed on Rosie’s lap.
Then when Rosie elaborated about the fools on American Idol,immediately the right was polarized against her and went in for the attack. But in actuality Elizabeth, the Conservative voice on the show, was the one that brought up the issue of the young man in the red shirt being attacked and called a bush baby, i guess he meant a lemur, by Simon Cowell. Elizabeth thought it was cruel and inhumane and was television at the lowest common denominator.