Things got testy between Wolf Blitzer and Dick Cheney. Video link here for the Iraq exchange. Ian has the video for the Mary Cheney questioning.  Bring up Cheney’s daughter and you get what you deserve:
BLITZER: You know, we’re out of time, but a couple of issues I want to raise with you: your
daughter, Mary. She’s pregnant. All of us are happy she’s going to have a baby. You’re going to
have another grandchild. Some of the — some critics are suggesting — for example, a statement
from someone representing Focus on the Family, “Mary Cheney’s pregnancy raises the question
of what’s best for children. Just because it’s possible to conceive a child outside of the
relationship of a married mother and father doesn’t mean that it’s best for the child.” Do you want
to respond to that?
CHENEY: No.
BLITZER: She’s, obviously, a good daughter –
CHENEY: I’m delighted I’m about to have a sixth grandchild, Wolf.
And obviously I think the world of both my daughters and all of my grandchildren. And I think,
frankly, you’re out of line with that question.
BLITZER: I think all of us appreciate –
CHENEY: I think you’re out of line.
BLITZER: We like your daughters. Believe me, I’m very sympathetic to Liz and to Mary. I
like them both. That was a question that’s come up, and it’s a responsible, fair question.
CHENEY: I just fundamentally disagree with you.
BLITZER: I want to congratulate you on having another grandchild.
This is the 04′ debates all over again. He wasn’t going to drag his daughter into the mud then, and he has even less reason to do so now. I know this will come as a total shock to all of you, but our elected officials don’t actually agree with everything their voting base does. Cheney was elected in 2000, and it was no secret to the country at that time, that the man had two daughters, one a hetrosexual and the other a homosexual
 And try to get a reaction from him on McCain and you may as well be talking to a wall:
BLITZER: He’s been very critical of you, John McCain.
CHENEY: Well, John’s a good man. He and I have known each other a long time and we
agree on many things and disagree on others.
BLITZER: He said, the other day — he said, “The president listens too much to the vice
president. Of course, the president bears the ultimate responsibility, but he’s been very badly
served by both the vice president and, most of all, the secretary of Defense.” That was John
McCain.
CHENEY: So?
BLITZER: No reaction?
CHENEY: I just disagree with him.
BLITZER: He said, about the former Defense secretary, “Rumsfeld will go down in history,
along with NcNamara, as one of the worst secretaries of Defense –”
CHENEY: I just fundamentally disagree. You heard my speech, when Don retired. I think
he’s done a superb job.
Allah has coverage of McCain’s comments. He does make a valid point:
It was just two years ago McCain had these kind words for Cheney:
“One of the most capable, experienced, intelligent and steady vice president’s this country has ever had….”~Senator John McCain (R) Arizona Source: Washington Post July 2004
She certainly has the money to pay for it.
the thing is, all of this doesn;t matter. we should be focussing on the fact that the so called “Dick Cheney” is not even a human. I am telling you, he is some kind of android who has death rays for eyes, or something. we must get to the bottom of this- who or what is dick cheney??? AND WHO MADE HIM?
I don’t know about that, I just think he is guilty of political pandering to the Far Right Fringe of the GOP. Maybe if more Republicans stood up to them more mainstream Americans would vote Republican. The elections were proof positive that this is a moderate country, that we do not sit well with idealogues pushing their agendas and that we want a strong separation between Church & State.
And we already know that Dick and Lynn Cheney are hardly overly religious, they are your everyday run of the mill country club Republicans. Dick Cheney, in his real life and real skin is hardly going to allow the Right Wing Fringe to attack his daughter, if he wasn’t in political office both he and Lynn Cheney would tell Dr. Dobson to shove it.
I am really surprised that Lynn Cheney did not rebut that crazy editorial on Townhall. If she used the same deameanor with the female fringe wacko from Townhall that she did with John Kerry I would be impressed.
So Kennedy, Kerry and Pelosi are mainstream?
People shouldn’t have to give up their beliefs, and they won’t.
The elections were nothing more than a rebuke of the Iraq war, nothing more, nothing less.
I disagree. The country has never been so divided as it is and has been with this brand of Far Right brand of Republicans. They are hateful, unaccepting of others – the most UnChristian behavior this side of the 10th gate of hell.
America is just plain sick of it, the hate, and the double standard with Cunningham, Foley and Haggard. The constant provocative speech of Coulter and some on talk radio is just not what this country wants to hear or chooses to listen too. Even Fox news’ ratings have dropped 17-20% in some demographics.
It behooves Dick Cheney to not look like he is pandering to these people and their ilk. America and Americans do not do well with idealogues, period.
The Republican Party has allowed the Far Right to paint them into a corner. The threats from Dobson and Falwell are loud and piercing, “you need us to win and we will not be used by The Republican Party, they better know who put them in power”.
I say cut out the fringe and embrace America. Most of the country is moderate, they are not the Western version of the wackos we are fighting.
“Gay people should be acknowledged and have equal right under the laws…”
I agree…but don’t they already?
I am of the opinion that the problem is within the current system. “Marriage” is an institution where secularism has failed miserably. The institution needs to be seperated in it’s entirety: 1) “marriage”, the religious institution and 2) “civil unions”- the state institution. only when this happens will gay couples be afforded the same legal rights as heteros. As long as the two remian intermangled (yes, I meant that) gays this will not happen.
On the flip side, I also agree that a society has a right to pass laws to protect itself cfrom whatever it deems fit as long as it does not infringe upon one’s civil rights. I have yet to see the argument that marriage is a civli right, or the benfits there of. Like driving, it is a state licensed activity. Like driving, marriage is not a right and can be revoked or denied for whatever the state deems to be reasonable cause.
Seems conflicting? It isn’t. To summerize: Once the state institution is secularized, I believe civil unions should be granted to gays. However, it is not a right.
If you wish, I will clarify my general beliefs for you like you were kind enough to do.
“The elections were nothing more than a rebuke of the Iraq war, nothing more, nothing less.”
AND Republican corruption.
Abramoff, DeLay et al hurt your team big time, along with Iraq.
I believe they should be granted the rights of civil unions and I feel they should be protected from violence and hate crimes.
Why are the Republicans also so opposed to the hate crime thing?
“I agree:but don’t they already?”
No. Gay couples do not have the same rights that straight couples have…you’ve heard it before…1000 some “rights” that married couples recieve such as hospital visitation, end of life arrangements, joint tax filings, etc…the list goes on and on.
Gay adoption bans is another big one…
Gay and lesbian employees are often unable to have their “partners” covered under group health insurance plans or other employee benefits that married couples take for granted…
Do you want more?
Seriously, there is a major civil rights movement going on in our nation in regards to homosexual rights, and your team is fighting it.
That’s bad.
“The country has never been so divided as it is and has been with this brand of Far Right brand of Republicans. They are hateful, unaccepting of others – the most UnChristian behavior this side of the 10th gate of hell.”
I disagree.
First off, Bushco isn’t the only devisive force. Algore and his merry band of lawyers have a lot to do with it also.
Secondly, Lincoln, LBJ and the Hoover Admins are just three cases off the top of my head that were more divisive.
Second of all…do we really want to bring up politicians and Christian behaviour? None of them do it. You know…adultry in the oval office isn’t exactly Christain, not to mention lying (which every national level politician excels at).
Several months back there was a Columbia student – white, who was attacked, beaten and killed up on 125th Street in Harlem. Several of the bloggers on the Right reported on the case like Michelle Malkin and wanted it classed as a hate crime.
When I heard the story, like most Manhattanites, I was skeptical about the white issue. I knew it wasn’t because he was white, it was probably because he was gay, or they thought he was. When that part of the story came out the Right wing bloggers dropped the story.
“Gay couples do not have the same rights that straight couples have:you’ve heard it before:1000 some “rights”that married couples recieve such as hospital visitation, end of life arrangements, joint tax filings, etc:the list goes on and on.”
I agree that I’d like to see gay couples aforded those, but they aren’t rights.
“Why are the Republicans also so opposed to the hate crime thing?”.
I don’t know- I’m not a Republican. Perhaps you should ask one of them.
If not rights, what are they? What do you call them?
“If not rights, what are they? What do you call them?”
I call them privledges, which is a thing to which one has a just claim. These are granted by laws and can also be taken away by said laws. In this example, our society could completely do away with marriage, and it would be legal as marriage is a privledge, and not a right.
Right are inherent and are granted due to one’s very existance.
Well then they should be just as privledged as the next guy IMHO, including Mary Cheney.
In defense of Cheney, he was in opposition to that ridiculous marriage admendment cooked up as a diversion and nothing more.
“Well then they should be just as privledged as the next guy IMHO, including Mary Cheney.”
But you re missing a fundamental difference in the two.
A privledge can be rightfully dictated by a society, where a right can not as it is inherent to every person.
If society wants to define marriage as a privledge between a man and a woman, that is society’s perogative. You and I may disagree but that is still society’s perogative. It is up to those who believe so to sway enough folks to have Congress vote it into law. It is NOT “civil rights” issue like portrayed by San Francisco Liberal.
Second of all:do we really want to bring up politicians and Christian behaviour? None of them do it. You know:adultry in the oval office isn’t exactly Christain, not to mention lying (which every national level politician excels at).
Yes, because when the Right believes there should be no clear separation of Church and State it becomes a part of the dialouge. And what about Sam brownbeck, Rick Santorum?
On the Left side of the aisle we do not purport to be religious idealogues, we see ourselves and our politicians as sinners to be judged by the deity only.
Judge not lest ye be judged.
I have a better idea Tedintheshed, how about the Right Fringe not construing the Bible about people they are opposed to.
You know I have to bring up another issue that is so wacky. I am listening to WABC 77 on my computer and it is Laura Ingraham’s show from earlier today. She is asking people/callers what the worst sound in the world is, and of course it’s all about bashing Pelosi, Barbara Wawa’s dog, Rosie O’Donell, Susan Estrich, Charlie Rangel.
I mean this lawyer who btw – was dumped after her fiancee decided not to marry her because she was diagnosed with breat cancer (nice Conservative guy, sounds like a Newt Gingrich tale we will not mention)- where does she get the balls? I mean isn’t she embarrassed by the very childishness of her shtick? I have never listened to her show although I did see her once on C-Span and all she could muster was making fun of Marilu Angelou and only stopped after the host shamed her into stopping. Not intentionally, but like me, he questioned the “high school – jr high” direction of her conversation and she felt uncomfortable ad apologized trying to elucidate her behavior.
So silly, and Conservatives had problems with Howard Stern…the very airlessness of her routine is shamimg me, I am embarrassed listening to her. I feel like ai am being Hilton-ed or Lohan-ed or Britney-ed against my will. yuck.
There is just something not very appealing about a perimenopausal woman acting like an 8th grader. So very unstimulating, double yuck.
I guess her show cancels out that old adage that Liberals can only resort to making fun of people or name calling when they feel they are loosing the arguement…LOL
“Yes, because when the Right believes there should be no clear separation of Church and State it becomes a part of the dialouge. And what about Sam brownbeck, Rick Santorum?”
What do you mean by “the right”? From my dealings with both sides of the isle, as much of the right believes in secularism as the left. While some of the tight lauds religiousism, so does the left whern it suits them. John Kerry is a great example of this.
Not familiar with Brownbeck, but I know Santorum. He’s a hypocrite.
“On the Left side of the aisle we do not purport to be religious idealogues”
Can’t disagree with that. While the right have their religious idealouges, the left have their anti-thiests idealouges.
Same idea, just different extremes.
“I guess her show cancels out that old adage that Liberals can only resort to making fun of people or name calling when they feel they are loosing the arguement:LOL “
Both sides have their abundance of idiots. The Rosie’s, The Ingrams, The Frankens, the Coulters. both side have opinions I can also respect.
This isn’t a “right v. left” thing for me. My job is to rise above the din and sort the 99% of bullshit from the meaningful commentary and ideas. both sides have them. I refuse to sit here and give strictly left or right examples of “what abot this?”. That’s a fool’s game. I will give point/counterpoint examples, like I have with you here. It seems yours are a bit weighted to the right side.
you people are ignoring cheney’s inhumanness at your peril. he is somekind of android that must be stopped, for the good of humankind. his lack of humanity is underscored by his lack of empathetic ability. HE IS A MACHINE! the real cheney died in 1995.
I think he had his brain implanted into an android.
I will agree that the Far Right pisses me off much more than the Far Left. it pisses me off that Dick Cheney cannot and will not take them to task.
As for the whole Rose Trump thing I agreed with Rush Limbaugh for probably the first time in my life – that is – his analysis of the feud. He duly noted that Rosie really took the Conservative road or side of the arguement by not agreeing with giving Tara whats-her-name a second chance. As he said, Conservatives usually don’t do that. He found it odd that she stirred up the ire of the Right. Trump very much took a Liberal position of the girl and now we find out he has been allegedly negoitating a deal for her to model in Playboy. That’s OK, but you would believe that maybe posing in a girly magazine, albeit tasteful as Playboy tends to be, it would somehow be in her contract as a definite no no. So really what was the whole 2nd chance really about?
Like Dick Cheney, Trump deserved to be called on the carpet for his behavior. The fact that Rosie’s professional job is as a comedian, I didn’t take issue with the hair comments. Don Rickles did it for years, he made fun of everyone, comedians do that, she is no different.
The whole flag thing in Palm Beach is just another way for Trump to stay in the spotlight, as they claim his show is tanking. According to Forbes he draws a large part of his wealth from production.
Furthermore, Trump went even further uses Iraq and this administration to boister his argument of why he went after her, you know, it’s about time we hold people accountable for what they say and do…blah blah blah, and that’s why we are in Iraq, blah blah blah. Plus he confused the whole Danny DeVito drunk story. When on with Sean Hannity he accused Rosie of assaulting DeVito, but of course Hannity didn’t have the balls to correct him and inform him that Danny DeVito actually climbed on Rosie’s lap.
Then when Rosie elaborated about the fools on American Idol,immediately the right was polarized against her and went in for the attack. But in actuality Elizabeth, the Conservative voice on the show, was the one that brought up the issue of the young man in the red shirt being attacked and called a bush baby, i guess he meant a lemur, by Simon Cowell. Elizabeth thought it was cruel and inhumane and was television at the lowest common denominator.
Not one voice on the Right, and they all talked about it on their Radio Shows and on cable news – not one credited Elizabeth, the Conservative with the initial attack on Rupert Murdoch’s coveted show. Not Sean hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Laura Ingraham, they all blamed Rosie, who was merely adding to Elizabeth’s analysis of the show’s rude and ridiculous behavior.
This only reassures me and my point of the Right’s endless nasty diatribe, propagandizing, lying for the red meat that keeps the savages turning in for even more. It’s disgusting. I see blood thirty Zombies with no direction, just the desire to rip any opponent to shreads and feast on their entrails. All for the sake of winning, all for the sake of feeling complete, smearing whoever, whatever. They cannot stop talking up a negative storm about Hollyweird but yet support and embrace a show like Idol? Now what an damn oxymoron that is. And this is the group we are supposed to relinquish the reins of our country to? I think not.
They are the biggest sham of our existence in the 21st Century and I just will not stop pointing out their double standards.
What pisses you off Maria is that you can not get your way. You want everyone to see things exactly as you do, but thank god they don’t. Please explain how a group of black people beating up a lone white person is not a hate crime? You have to be a white gay beaten up in order for it to be a hate crime?
If you took the time to actually study something for yourself rather than repeat lies, you would see that Michelle Malkin and many others on the right, support gay rights, they don’t believe in marriage, but they do believe in civil unions. They don’t believe courts should decide it, but the states, as it is a states rights issue that should be decided by the people.
You keep talking about the far right and the religious right and how awful they are, but guess what, they have just as much right to their opinions and their, prejudice and close mindedness as you have to yours. You are just like them.
“They are the biggest sham of our existence in the 21st Century and I just will not stop pointing out their double standards.”
They are no bigger a sham than the far left, Maria. What perturbs me is the fact that folks just concentrate on “their side” winning, just like you are now. Unless I bring up something irrevutable and out it “in your face”, you are of the ilk that whistles past the grave yard. You may be 15% to the left, but you are so polarized you may as well be Jane Fonda or Michael Moore. THAT is what explains such a statement from you that I quoted above.
What pisses you off Maria is that you can not get your way. You want everyone to see things exactly as you do, but thank god they don’t. Please explain how a group of black people beating up a lone white person is not a hate crime? You have to be a white gay beaten up in order for it to be a hate crime?
Let me clarify, I believed it should be a hate crime either way. My point was that The Right blogs felt it should only be a hate crime if he was a white boy being attacked by blacks.
Michelle Malkin does not support civil unions. She does not support hate crimes for gays, I am one of her readers, both her blog and hotair.
What pisses you off Maria is that you can not get your way. You want everyone to see things exactly as you do, but thank god they don’t.
No I do not, I would like the Right side of the aisle to tell the truth, stop lying and give us the whole story. They are entitled to their beliefs, i am just opposed to how they try to push and sell those beliefs
on the rest of us.
They are no bigger a sham than the far left, Maria. What perturbs me is the fact that folks just concentrate on “their side”winning, just like you are now. Unless I bring up something irrevutable and out it “in your faceâ€, you are of the ilk that whistles past the grave yard.
I was interested in them not winning because they are ruining this country and have sherked their responsibilities to America. They have and continue to hoodwink the good people of this country and it is a sham. I am hardly like Michael Moore, I thought Fahrenhaie 911 was a sham. I even wrote in a review that Moore and Coulter should team up and remake a Laurel and Hardy film, they are both ridiculous. As for Jane Fonda, she has apologized, let it go. Don’t fall into the Far Right’s trap of being unbending and never forgiving people for something they did 30 years ago…
You keep talking about the far right and the religious right and how awful they are, but guess what, they have just as much right to their opinions and their, prejudice and close mindedness as you have to yours. You are just like them.
Again, you misunderstood me. Yes they have rights to their opinions, never said they didn’t. But when they use those rights and those opinions to advance an agenda that is unhealthy or encroachs on others who disagree, well that is unexceptable.
“I was interested in them not winning because they are ruining this country and have sherked their responsibilities to America. They have and continue to hoodwink the good people of this country and it is a sham.”
How is that any different from what the left does Maria? Are you actually foolish enough to believe that if Bushco is replaced by a Dem administration, that they would do any less damage? Do you actually think Bil CLinton was any better than Bush? To you really foresee any improvement?
Look, I’m all for talking about the problems of this country, but if you stick to just one party then your arguement misses a great deal of the problem. It’s like blaming lack of air for a flat tire. Well yeah, that’s true but you are ignoring the nail in the tire. L
“But when they use those rights and those opinions to advance an agenda that is unhealthy or encroachs on others who disagree, well that is unexceptable.”
Again Maria, you are only looking at one small part of what is wrong with this country. You are saving the acuusatory tone for Bush only.
I am not a clinton syccophant, but , in fact, he was much better than Bush. At least he could put two sentences together and not make our country look ridiculous to everyone else in the world. call me crazy, but i think that makes a difference.
why does it matter what the international communtiy thinks? bczo we need their help to fight the so-called global war on terror, but when bush goes around pissing everyone off, other countries don;t want to help, especially since the politicians in other countries can’t seel haelping the US to their citizens. that is the small problem with democarcy, the system of government which BushCo claims to be so interested in advancing.
Secondly, there is an international trading system, of which we are very much a part. with the emergence of other economic super powers, such as china, we are no longer the only game in town. if people can deal with other countries economically, and we go around aggressively acting like assholes, we will not be able to maintiain our economic dominance, bcoz no one will want to deal with us. this shoulod be obvious to everyone, and bush is making this situation worse with virtually every decision and statement he makes.
bottom line: the real problem is that Bush’s puppet master, dick “donkey knog” cheney, is not actually a human. his lack of empathy and fully functional human logic capacitotr has got us to where we are today. you right wing conservatives can congratulate yourselves for electing this android and ruining a once great nation- do you really want to bow down to a non-human race of androids, hell bent on our destruction because of a programming error in their central algorithms? impeach cheneyBot now to save the human race from certain destruction!
p.s. i stand by my serious points, and i think there is at least a 50% chance that cheney is an android or robot.
I am not a clinton syccophant, but , in fact, he was much better than Bush. At least he could put two sentences together and not make our country look ridiculous to everyone else in the world. call me crazy, but i think that makes a difference.
Agree also Clinton didn’t act like an idiot in the dimplomacy dept. This admin is almost like very alcoholic-like, it’s their road or the high road, everyone else can just f-off. They are doing things their way or no way….
Conservatives naturally tend not to question those in power, they except what they are told. Couple that with my latter obervation and you have a recipe for disaster.
my next prediction – Hillary was caught singing the National Athem and her mic picked it up. Like many others – she is tone deaf. Let’s see what kind of legs this story will grow on Talk Radio this coming weeks…LOL Instead of attacking her on her positions, these fools will comment on her inability to be worthy of American Idol status.
They will be making fun of her like nobody’s beeswax. Now if she didn’t sing, well that would sprout even longer legs as well…LOL oh well….
The good news America – isn’t listening to them anymore. They are done with the jr high nastiness.
Again, you misunderstood me. Yes they have rights to their opinions, never said they didn’t. But when they use those rights and those opinions to advance an agenda that is unhealthy or encroachs on others who disagree, well that is unexceptable.
And the agenda of the left is healthy? More government is not healthy. We are not a socialist country yet the democrats want us to become one.
As for Rosie…Rosie is the one that started both situations..Rosie shoots her mouth off and expects people to agree with her…had she just said what she had to say about Tara and not attacked Trump personally, then it would have been a non-issue. Had she not made a derogatory remark about Paula being drunk, that too would have been a non issue..See, she wants tolerance for herself and other homosexuals, but she has no tolerance for anyone that is not lockstep with her ideology…I don’t dislike her because she is gay, I dislike her because she is one of the most ignorant people I have ever listened too, and there is no excuse for it because she has the money to educate herself.. I also have no respect for a person that slams Paula for being drunk but when a Monday show opens, she announced that she spent the weekend drinking, because she was depressed..She made her bed..
Again Maria, you are only looking at one small part of what is wrong with this country. You are saving the acuusatory tone for Bush only.
Well, he’s is the one who has been in charge for the last 6 years and is responsible for one’s currently happening in iraq.
I believe in accountability, I do not buy into the Right Wing talking points about attacking Iraq, sorry. And those talking points, like we would be seen as liberators, I am just not buying their bunk anymore.
Who else should I be holding accountable?
The Right Wing doesn’t want him held accountable becuase that brings up too many questions. Their attitude is, oh well we are there now so what are you going to do, or let the Dems fix it if they think they can or even more brazenly – they think they are better than us, we dare them to have a better answer…nah nah nah nah nah.
Their inability to accept responsibility for the messes they create is staggering and unacceptable.
I am sorry they are in charge and they blew it, period.
You are obviously sympathic to these fools by your postings.
And the agenda of the left is healthy? More government is not healthy. We are not a socialist country yet the democrats want us to become one.
Please stop while you are ahead, the government has never been so big as it is and has grown under this admin…please stop.
As for Rosie:Rosie is the one that started both situations..Rosie shoots her mouth off and expects people to agree with her:had she just said what she had to say about Tara and not attacked Trump personally, then it would have been a non-issue. Had she not made a derogatory remark about Paula being drunk, that too would have been a non issue..See, she wants tolerance for herself and other homosexuals, but she has no tolerance for anyone that is not lockstep with her ideology:I don’t dislike her because she is gay, I dislike her because she is one of the most ignorant people I have ever listened too, and there is no excuse for it because she has the money to educate herself.. I also have no respect for a person that slams Paula for being drunk but when a Monday show opens, she announced that she spent the weekend drinking, because she was depressed..She made her bed..
Oh pleae again – as I said Rosie is a stand up comic, I said this earlier. As for eduacting herself she was able to transfer from Dickinson to BU so she is not stupid. And the personal smears that came out of Trump’s mouth? Not to mention the hard facts that across this country more women look like Rosie than his wife. Futhermore, Trump has succeeded in alienating the large women across America – not unlike what Cruise did with the pp depression thing with Brooke Shields. And Trump is now reaping the havoc, his show has steadily declined in ratings. He’ll learn his lesson the ahrd way like mr. Cruise did. On the other hand Rosie’s rtings are up, they are steadily moving upwards. ABC is considering buying out Barbara’a contract and giving Rosie free reign.
Let me ask you, why would you take issue with what a stand up comic says about a famous person, when Talk Radio hosts – Right Wing smear merchants that they are – do it daily like Laura Ingrham, Rush and Shannity? They smear people the same way. What is the difference?
You think it is ok for someone to be called a bush baby because they were considered somewhat odd looking, but not ok to acknowledge that one of the perps who initiated the inappropiate comments might have been intoxicated when doing so? Years ago people would have not only commented on her state, thay would have condemned their behavior.
You are obviously a part of the problem.
But thanks for making my point – your post is exactly the double standards I am talking about.
Conservatives naturally tend not to question those in power, they except what they are told. Couple that with my latter obervation and you have a recipe for disaster.
Oh please..most of us that post here have the ability to understand what is being said the first time it is said..
How is emboldening North Korea with nukes a good diplomatic move on Clinton’s part? How is not responding to the terrorist attacks during his administration a good diplomatic move? Answer..it’s not. Nor is appeasement…
How is that any different from what the left does Maria? Are you actually foolish enough to believe that if Bushco is replaced by a Dem administration, that they would do any less damage? Do you actually think Bil CLinton was any better than Bush? To you really foresee any improvement?
But I have faith in my country and this government. I believe we are a noble country, tainted by bad human mistakes. If we do not think there may be something better or we do not believe we can improve – what is the alternative, to just throw up our hands in disgust and give up?
I feel sorry for any American who cannot forsee any improvements.
1) who gives a shit about rosie, trump and the rest of the celebrity idiotocracy? enough already.
2) please get some new material. the democrats do not want to turn the USA into a socialist country. this is the purest amount of bullshit, and the fact that you people repeat this time and time again doesn’t make it true. have you learned nothing from bush’s failed propaganda campaigns? no one, other than the remaing 28% or 10% of his supporters believe his bullshit any more.
3) i now understand why cons and repubs hate government and think it can never do anything right- it’s because when they are in charge, this is true. the govt can solve problems for people and can do things that are positive and supported by citizens, when those in power want to do this. when the people in the government state over and over again that govt is the problem, it is not surprising that they do nothing right. i am not arguing that everything the dems do is good or not politically oriented. but, the idea that govt can be a force for good goes a long way towards good govt. if govt is so bad, why do cons bother trying to control the political process- to destroy the thing which gives them power? that sounds dumb, and now look what’s happening- they have fucked everything up, and have begun to lose elctions. great plan, guys.
p.s. cheney is an android. androids don;t care about the needs of people, and destructive, bad government flows from this. if my friends on the right would try to find some human candidates, they might see that govt can be, though not always is, a positive force.
88- Spending doesn’t equal big government Maria..
Rosie never graduated college and only attended briefly. Her job on The View is just to be a comic? Why is she going beyond that? No, her job is discuss hot topics and people react to them.
According to Rosie, she is not fairing that well in the polls, in fact it has her in a funk..most people are siding with Donald..they don’t like him, but like her even less for her behavior.
There was a spike in The View’s ratings and now they are down again..hence she went after Oprah…
Barbara co-owns the show with Bill Gedde, but I too read that in the Globe as I waited in line at the grocery store.
So, you are now comparing Rosie to Ingram and Hannity, who happen to be political pundits and get paid to discuss politics?
As Pickler told Rosie the day she made the comment..”we know what we are getting into when we sign up”..Rosie can chose not to watch..
1) who gives a shit about rosie, trump and the rest of the celebrity idiotocracy? enough already.
Sorry notHuman, i was just trying to continue my point on the doyble standards of The Right Wing, i.e., their smear tactics thereof.
when the people in the government state over and over again that govt is the problem, it is not surprising that they do nothing right.
Very true, and the message got out to the masses this last election.
I hold BushCo responsible becuase they have done enomous damage to this country.
if govt is so bad, why do cons bother trying to control the political process- to destroy the thing which gives them power?
Now that is the million dollar question I would love to hear their answers to…starting with Grover Norqueist…LOL
So, you are now comparing Rosie to Ingram and Hannity, who happen to be political pundits and get paid to discuss politics?
OK, let me repeat what I actually asked you again –
Let me ask you, why would you take issue with what a stand up comic says about a famous person, when Talk Radio hosts – Right Wing smear merchants that they are – do it daily like Laura Ingrham, Rush and Shannity? They smear people the same way. What is the difference?
My point was that they are not stand-up comics but, as you just admitted, Political Pundits. But they still act like Rosie, smearing and making fun of people. I am hardly comparing them, just asking why a political pundit on The Right would lavishly emulate a stand-up comic and expected to be taken seriously? Now we know Coulter does this also.
They are full of crap and have obviously nothing of substance or of substanstial dialouge to add to the political debate. They would rather be like Rosie, the very thing they are critical of. Kind of like the excellent point notHuman made –
if govt is so bad, why do cons bother trying to control the political process- to destroy the thing which gives them power?
One could easily ask –
if ROSIE is so bad, why do cons bother trying to EMULATE HER BRAND OF STAND UP IN THEIR DAILY PUNDITRY – DISCUSSING THE ISSUES WHILE PERSONALLY ATTACKING AND SMEARING THEIR ADVERSARIES BEYOND REASONABLE,(FOR AN EDUCATED PUNDIT YOU WOULD HOPE & PRAY REASON WOULD BE AN ADJECTIVE IN THEIR DESCRIPTION) DISCOURSE AND DEBATE?
Scary to think that part of the country is indoctrinated with this Right Wing crap and actually tunes into the Echo Chamber everyday to buy into it, huh?
But it just yet again proves my arguement about The Right – if it comes from a Right leaning pundit, then it’s provocative, it’s comedy, it’s ok, blah, blah, blah. But if it comes from a Left leaning person who is identifible as a stand up comic, it’s unacceptable.
Can’t you see what they are doing? The sheer lunacy of the Right is just that – misguided excuses stacking double standards on top of double standards. They are appalling, their brand of discourse is destroying America, period.
They are full of crap and have obviously nothing of substance or of substanstial dialouge to add to the political debate.
Considering they are ranked in the top 5% of the ratings..consistently…I know you are quite wrong. Who is it that they are smearing?
When are you going to make a point? I have yet to see one..All I see is the left is great and if the right doesn’t think like them, then they are evil blah blah blah.. You have yet to make a valid point on anything…
And the agenda of the left is healthy? More government is not healthy. We are not a socialist country yet the democrats want us to become one.
I wasn’t gonna post, I wasn’t, but then I saw this…
I’m SO tired of hearing this meme. Because if you look at the growth of government in the last few years, under Bushco, it’s appalling, and most of it has been in secret. But for a public example, we have our wonderfully effective Department of Homeland security, which took FEMA – which was brilliantly functional as it was, the Coast Guard – which was, again, perfectly functional – and the Border Patrol, which was… oh, SO not functional and combined them into one massively dysfunctional agency with appointed idiots like Chertoff and Brown with the end result of crippling the functional sections and as a result… Katrina.
Whatever you may think of the Democratic party it is not a Socialist movement. Period. It is what it is, and that ain’t what it is. It’s mostly a Liberal movement – and the distinction is both meaningful and important.
Now, if it were Socialist, I woldn’t actually have a problem, per se; there are socialists and then there are socialists – and in the end, it’s very difficult (not to mention utterly irresponsible) to intelligently discuss a social problem without hearing from a Socialist how they would approach it. Often, it’s a good idea – once it’s applied with some respect for individual liberties and dignities. Communists and National Socialists also have good ideas. You may not want them running things, but never ignore intelligent critique from any angle. You might want to file off the serial numbers….
Hell, that’s what put Bill Clinton into office, folks. He swiped about half of Barry Goldwater’s platform. Oh, and one other thing. He respected the obligations (if pernaps not the dignities) of the office. As one example, he put FEMA at cabenet level, recognizing that aside from the very serious threat of terriorism, we have weather that would terrify the crap out of most terrorist sponsoring nations. Hell, we regularly have entire towns erased from the map – and a major city, such as New Orleans was simply a matter of time. So he put it where it belonged.
Then Bush Happened.
BEFORE DHS, we could have responded effectively to the aftermath of a terrorist event. In fact, we have done so, subsequent to 9/11. That was an effective, if not exactly perfect operation. But when there were issues, the people on the ground solved them.
In Katrana… the exercise was to keep people from GETTING there without proper authorization. Just like any socialist state, except for the Kommisar taking credit for all the things published in Pravda that didn’t actually happen.
Oh wait. We have Faux.
BTW, I’m a Libertarian. But I put truth, my personal honor and self-respect ahead of any political agenda. I won’t lie to further my agenda, and I won’t let a lie slip by in support of something I agree with.
I happen to be opposed to any form of centrally directed authority, whether it be Socialism, or whatever the hell you call what we currently have.
But every time I object to lies and stupidities, incompetence and misrule, I’m accused of being a “liberal.”
That pisses me off on two fronts – along with a lot of OTHER people, I should add. First, because it’s just not true. I’m primarily an anti authoritarian minarchist with Progressive leanings. I’m in NO sense a small or large L Liberal.
But, there have been Liberal Administrations here and in other nations that have been validated in the most important way possible – re-election with a strong economy. So as much as I oppose the philosophy, I do not oppose those things about it that factually work in practice – not until I can point to something that works BETTER in practice.
The second thing that pisses me off is the use of “liberal” as an insult. As much as I am NOT a liberal, a great many honorable people are, and it is by NO means a single-valued, black and white philosophy. Even though it’s one that I disagree with fundamentally, it’s as intellectually respectable as the Very Arch Conservatism of one of my greatest personal heroes, William F. Buckley, Jr, a man of socially conservative WASP credentials so profound that no freeper is worthy to meet the gaze of his patrician nostrils.
I disagree with him almost entirely – but with care, as he’s a startling tendency to be correct on matters of fact.
The reason I post this rant is this; I’m deeply concerned that the past nine years have the potential for utterly discrediting any legitimate Conservative views because of their association with incompetence, lies, and sheer xenophobic idiocy, none of which are by any stretch Conservative or conservative values. “Time tested and well proven” is the antithesis of fairly much everything Bush. But the argument that Bush is really a Radical Authoritarian Big Government Liberal = and very possibly thinks himself to be the Antichrist – is an essay for another day, should I bother. Others have made the point better and google is your friend.
Unlike many who espouse one viewpoint these days, I value and consider critical the existence of a vibrant and competent counterpoint to the majoritarian chorus, whatever it may be. The fact is that the majoritarian viewpoint WILL be Democratic very soon, because the fact is that most people’s politics are as fickle as their fashion sense and no more deeply founded. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of active voices worthy of calling the question and being taken seriously.
So if you seriously consider yourself a Conservative – and you honestly believe what you believe, I suggest that first you write down the things that to you are the very most important things, the things you would take up arms to defend and protect. I remind you of the full import of both the first and second Amendments, and your duty to “Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America,” that traditionally the “Militia” was composed of every free citizen between the ages of 14 and 45, and that it’s as much your duty to speak against things you sincerely disagree with as it is to take up arms against inssurection.
But first, DEAR GOD, PLEASE arm yourselves! That includes founding your opinion in the Constitution, in history, in an understanding of the Law and the Federalist papers, in something more profound than a personal “disgust” at the behaviors of others!
It’s a hell of a lot more persuasive to stand for something, and prove it by example than to stand against something someone ELSE is proving by example.
Considering they are ranked in the top 5% of the ratings..consistently:I know you are quite wrong. Who is it that they are smearing?
How about anyone and everyone who doesn’t support their agenda, or BushCo, or the hideous illegal war, or anyone they think is a Lib, which they think is suddenly a bad thing??
When are you going to make a point? I have yet to see one..All I see is the left is great and if the right doesn’t think like them, then they are evil blah blah blah.. You have yet to make a valid point on anything:
You need to save yourself and stop drinking from that kool-aid fountian over in Right Wing Junction…how about answering my question?
Like Bob King said…
But first, DEAR GOD, PLEASE arm yourselves! That includes founding your opinion in the Constitution, in history, in an understanding of the Law and the Federalist papers, in something more profound than a personal “disgust”at the behaviors of others!
Please I dare you, I double dare you. The only thing the Right is capable of is using that bully pulpit on Talk Radio and Faux to threaten, smear, divide and malign our country and this democracy. You/they should be ashamed.
Re 87 (Maria):
“Well, he’s is the one who has been in charge for the last 6 years and is responsible for one’s currently happening in iraq.”
Yes, he’s in charge. Yes, his post invasion strategy for Iraq has been tragic. But he’s not the only one responsible. Congress is the purse strings, and it was Congress who approved the resolution to invade Iraq.
“I believe in accountability, I do not buy into the Right Wing talking points about attacking Iraq, sorry. And those talking points, like we would be seen as liberators, I am just not buying their bunk anymore.
Who else should I be holding accountable?”
Balderdash. If you beleived in accountability, you wouldn’t be a Democrat. Yes- hold the Preident accountable, but since you “believe in accountability” you should also hold the Dems accountable. I just don’t see you doing that, and not just for the war but for the last 100 years of “business as usual” politics.
Personally, I believe the invasion of Iraq was justified, but not for some of the reasons given by the President. I knew we would be there at least a generation, and I have no problem with that.
“I am sorry they are in charge and they blew it, period.”
Blew what, exactly? I hate speaking in generalities. If you wish to talk specifics, then we can.
The invasion of Iraq was a sucess.
The post war occupancy is thus far a failure.
The dealing with borders are a failure.
Expanding government: failure.
They are overly pro-business/anti-worker, so that’s a failure.
Economy: sucess.
Medicare prescription drug: sucess
You are obviously sympathic to these fools by your postings.
You obviously haven’t been paying attention to my postings. I am not “sympathetic” nor am I overly accusatory on my stances. I assess each topic invidually, and then get as much unbiased facts as possible with taking a precoursed stance. Because I do this, I’ve been called “commie” by the right and “nazi” by the left. My political leaning are pretty much 5% right of center.
I will call a spade a spade.