Iran will be able to develop enough weapons-grade material for a nuclear bomb and there is little that can be done to prevent it, an internal European Union document has concluded.
In an admission of the international community’s failure to hold back Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the document – compiled by the staff of Javier Solana, EU foreign policy chief – says the atomic programme has been delayed only by technical limitations rather than diplomatic pressure. “Attempts to engage the Iranian administration in a negotiating process have not so far succeeded,” it states.
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Thank you F’ing Democrats. Any lives lost because Iran detonates a bomb is on your heads.
Thank you F’ing Republicans for making war to the wrong country… The lives of 5-digit Iraqui people are already on your heads!!
Damn, how stupid can somebody be?!…:mrgreen:
..hey wait a minute… since when do Republicans trust Europeans in any statement on global security?!?
Mattias, we already take the opposite of what you say because you’ve proven yourself to be stupid and unrealistic beyond belief. You regularly harangue us, but you are too chicken to do the same to the Wahabists who are killing in the name of your religion.
Again, thank you dumbasses like you.
4-PCD, before pouring tons of insults on eachother (what does not serve anything else but making ourselves ridiculous), let’s rather have a serious discussion on this.
I say:
1) Saddam Hussein (as such a big asshole as he was), was the non-religious sunnite counterpart to the fundamentalist regime in Teheran. That’s how he was seen by the previous US governments and in this role he “performed” quite well. Unless he allied with the Iran or other neighbours (which obviously hated him), he was a somewhat stable factor in the region.
2) From what we know today (and a lot of experts evaluated before the war) the Iraq was quite far away from being able to have nuclear weapons within less than a decade (assuming no further external support).
3) As it seems, the US-goverment paid much more attention to create a reason to attack Iraq than to observe the developments in Iran. But as unrealistic it already seems to construct a connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden/Al Quaeda, the more exotic it would have looked to assume a connection between the sunnite radical Bin Laden and the fundamentalist shiite regime in Teheran.
So there had not been a proper justification to sell the Iraq campaign under the label “War against Terror”…
5. I doubt you can reason, but here a attempt.
1. Agree to a point. THis was US reasoning through the Iran-Iraq war. 2 Exocet missles fired by Hussein into the USS Stark changed all that.
2. 20/20 hindsight of the media combined with you ignoring the situation as it was at the time. Take your rose colored glasses off. Saddam ignored 17 UN Security Council resolutions and violated every one of them. Saddam was playing games with the inspectors and shipped his WMD to Syria. As this Financial Times Article shows the UN is worthless at preventing nations like Iran or Iraq going Nuclear. The proof in gassed Iranians and Iraqis was never refuted by Saddam or his regime. They never proved they got rid of the WMD and the meand of making more.
3. Here you bury your head under your sheets and in a burqa. There have been many articles posted here where Saddam cooperated with Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. He sheltered Abu Nidal until the bum refused to go back to herroriaint the world, the Saddam killed him. Ther were terrorist training camps taken out during the war, including one with an jet aircraft fuselage used for training hijackers. Other articles have come out and were posted here about other ties to terror Saddam had. So grow up and stop being so stupid or this conversation is OVER.
PS. I will not do your research by searching this site for the above mentioned articles. You are useless and have time to wastt, you search for yourself.
3- They concurred with us prior to the invasion. Didn’t want us to invde because no one wanted to get caught in the Oil For Food..you keep leaving that out.
Your voice doesn’t count as one that was consulted prior to the invasion. As for this: he was a somewhat stable factor in the region?!?! Maybe to someone on an LSD trip, but he was the destablizing factor in the region.
7, Peejz, you have to remember that Mattias had to be conscripted to serve his country. Evidently he never had any real altruistic thinking, just his usuial selfish, shallow I want what I want, and I want it now thinking. He never stands up to the tru evil actors as that would take courage and conviction. I see neither in him. He goes with the flow and being a liberal, leftsing, muslim mouthpiece is his lazy way to do something.
Oh yes the demacrats and BILL CLINTON who sold all those nucular top secerts to the chicoms who then sold it to IRAN what acts of treason:mad:
6.3-“Ther were terrorist training camps taken out during the war, including one with an jet aircraft fuselage used for training hijackers.”
How would you think, would the fundamentalists call the training camps of the SEALs, the SAS or our GSG9?
And regarding the links between Saddam and Al Quaeda- there have always been relations between terror organizations and rogue countries (Nazi-Germany & IRA, East Germany & RAF, China & Vietcongs, CIA & half South America, etc.), but equally unstable are the links amongst them- or do you think the shiite terrororganizations have a great sympathy for the sunnite ones in Iraq that blow up their mosques?
7- If Saddam was destablizing the region during his reign, how would you call the current situation in Iraq and Iran?
11- ” He never stands up to the tru evil actors as that would take courage and conviction.”
I guess that is why I post my minority opinion on an opposite POV forum, providing my full name although I now and then travel into your country (for business reasons) being afraid to be arrested for some constructed offense…
If somebody important had listened to my arguments, thousands of (also American) people could still be alive!
I think anarchy when I think of him…
11- What about the hundreds of thousands killed by Saddam? You always forget them…
10, again, shallow leftist thinking gleaned from his mosque and the usual leftist propaganda organs.
Those facilitise were identified as TERRORIST organizaion training camps not affiliated with Saddam’s government and military. Try again dunderhead.
You haven’t been reading closely. It was a IRANIAN backed group in Iraq that blew up the Grand Mosque in Iraq to incite Sunni-Shite religious faction fighting. Ir really shows how much Shiites care for their own holy places. They blow them up themselves for political expediency.
Iraq isn’t tring to “anschluss” Kuwait. Nor is it exporting terror to the Emirates.
11, If somebody important ever listened to you, they would not be important for long. You are an idiot waiving a white flag, especially to wahabista to whom you refuse to take your stop killing, you are responsible for x number of deaths. You are a real chickensh*t on that point.
13- I never said that Saddam did not deserve his fate..
but does the purpose of getting rid of (lets say) a bunch of some hundred or thousand evil bastards belonging to the Baath party justify the loss of ten-thousands of (innocents) lifes?
14- You are getting very insulting and aggressive again. Yesterday I saw a wonderful documentation on “The scary Guy”, who offers lectures/trainings against (also verbal) violence. Just a small hint…
16, Maybe if I got aggressive enough you’d run away from here as fast as you run away from your Wahabist friends.
You didn’t refute what I said in 14, not one point.
15, Mattias, that is point Peejz is trying to get through your thick head. Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of innocents on his own and was continuing the killing. You are just too blind, conceited and stupid to see that point.
16, just one other point you are too arrogant and obtuse to see: If you are so right, important, and persuasive, why don’t you work on the Wahabists, Syrians, Iranians, and Palestinians to stop killing of innocents? In case you can’t acknowledge the answer, let me fill you in. You are wrong and insignificant. They’d kill you if they thought you were worth killing. In other words, Mattias, you aren’t worth a bullet or a “martyr”.
17- “You didn’t refute what I said in 14, not one point.”
It is difficult to respond or to be motivated to respond if somebody is insulting you with every second word.
“Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of innocents on his own and was continuing the killing.”
How do you know, that he was going to continue killing? As far as I understood the genocide that Saddam committed always “served the purpose” to preserve his power. To me his was no serial killer who killed for personal satisfaction or for the sake of killing.
And if there is somebody who is killing a hundred thousand innocent people and there is somebody who kills tenthousand innocent people, to stop the other one- doesn’t the second person make himself also guilty for not finding a less harmful solution?
I wouldn’t sacrifice innocent people’s lifes with only the assumption to be able to rescue more innocent people’s lifes!
18 “why don’t you work on the Wahabists, Syrians, Iranians, and Palestinians to stop killing of innocents?”
Excellent point- that I didn’t consider yet!! Who would I be supposed to preach to? I guess every party you mentioned has its own individual targets and I think I also mentioned before that my country is much more an ally to the US than to those people you mention. In addition it is rather your foreign ministry who wants to get military support from us than vice versa. So I explain to you, why I/we think how we think…
As the polls show, your people are changing their view on the war and I understand why, because the US and my country have a somewhat similar cultural and educational background. They are able to understand! If I talk to some palestinian or shiite radical, the cultural gap is already far to huge because of the economical difference…
That is why Iraq is at war with you and Dubai is not- that’s not really rocket science…
20, Mattias, you chickened out again. IF you were honest, you’d admit that they won’t listen to you. You only come here because we tolerate you.
19, Now this post you prove how stupid you are. You excuse Saddam’s killing and whine about your exaggerated counts of innocents killed tl get rid of Saddam. Other than being killed or removed from power, why would Saddam stop killing? Is it alright for Saddam to kill because of illegal Iraq-German trade? Just because Germany doesn’t get suicide bombers, does that give a pass to Saddam? Mattias, you are a fool and demonstrating it.
21 “..dumbasses like you.. .. You are useless and have time to wast.. ..Try again dunderhead.. ..You are wrong and insignificant. They’d kill you if they thought you were worth killing. In other words, Mattias, you aren’t worth a bullet or a “martyr Now this post you prove how stupid you are.. etc. etc. etc”
You are extremely (and over and over again) very impolite & aggressive, PCD, and I won’t any longer try to seriously discuss with you. Spend more time teaching your daughter your hatred- she can’t escape as easily as I can…
22, Mattias, you are a wimp. Also, an intellectual lightweight. You disporved nothing. That kool-aid must be irresistable.