The Bush critics’ position is that we must believe without reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That’s not very intelligent.
 Linked with ‘The misuses of intelligence’ from Michelle Malkin.
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February 20, 2007 - 03:06 AM on February 20th, 2007
In that case the pre-war philosophy of the Bush administration wasn’t very intelligent either… you know, when the UN and half of the NATO allies had strong doubts on the WMD stituation in Iraq…
February 20, 2007 - 05:55 AM on February 20th, 2007
1, Mattias, are you bucking to be Herr Goebbles’ reincarnated? How many times do you have to be told that not only you are wrong, but are lying for you to stop?
February 20, 2007 - 07:22 AM on February 20th, 2007
Yeah Matthia…that’s a dead issue. EVERY SINGLE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE WORLD THOUGHT SADDAM HAD WEAPONS and further if you would actually look at what has been found in Iraq since we went in you would see that we have found plenty of weapons caches.
February 20, 2007 - 08:46 AM on February 20th, 2007
3, BonBon that is consensus. I thought libs like Mattias, AKD, and Eben thought once you reach consensus, that this issue was settled. Evidently, it is only settled when you are a lib blowing hot air about Global Warming.
February 20, 2007 - 08:47 AM on February 20th, 2007
3- “EVERY SINGLE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE WORLD THOUGHT SADDAM HAD WEAPONS”
BonBon, I am very sorry to smash your world view, but Texas is not the world…
PS: Peejz, would you please politely ask the other bitch not to bother me- I won’t respond her stupid verbal attacks anyway…
February 20, 2007 - 08:56 AM on February 20th, 2007
Matthias…it wasn’t Texas. Britain today still stands by their intelligence and so do many other countries. The French have reniged somewhat but hey what do you expect from them.
Sometimes a rumor becomes a myth which when spread around becomes an urban legend. WMD existed before (just ask the Kurds) and after we gave Saddam 6 months warning our intelligence showed he exited those weapons through Syria on 18 wheeler trucks. The real question is not that he didn’t have them but where did they go?
February 20, 2007 - 09:02 AM on February 20th, 2007
6, Watch out BonBon, Mattias has his Burqa in a knot this morning. He doesn’t like his delusions shattered before his morning prayers.
February 20, 2007 - 09:04 AM on February 20th, 2007
you know, when the UN and half of the NATO allies had strong doubts on the WMD stituation in Iraq:
What utter nonsense…
February 20, 2007 - 09:26 AM on February 20th, 2007
6 & 8-
Folks, maybe the two you are currently writing from another dimension (Actually: Did you see the evil Captain Kirk running around?), but if I enter the words “WMDs overstated” in any search engine, I get more than just a couple of results…
Hmm.. but on the other hand, looking at the results today… 3,000 dead Americans sounds like WMDs- if you call imbecility a weapon…
February 20, 2007 - 09:30 AM on February 20th, 2007
9, if imbecility is a weapon, YOU are a mega weapon. I can imagine the drivel you take as Gospel, er Quran.
February 20, 2007 - 10:15 AM on February 20th, 2007
1- Again with that tired lie Matthias. NATO and the UN did not doubt the WMDs, they just didn’t want their meal ticket interuppted. Oil for Food benefitted them greatly.
February 20, 2007 - 10:17 AM on February 20th, 2007
9- when you do that google search, how many are blogs that are listed? Do you not understand that everything discussed on the internet ends up in a google search?
February 20, 2007 - 12:18 PM on February 20th, 2007
11- Peejz, give me just ONE single source that confirms this statement…
12- There were some… quoting the many sources from the news-sites… Ask Colin Powell..
February 20, 2007 - 02:05 PM on February 20th, 2007
All that you see is about money.
February 22, 2007 - 02:44 AM on February 22nd, 2007
I’m still waiting, Peejz…
February 22, 2007 - 02:46 AM on February 22nd, 2007
I’m still waiting for an answer, Peejz…
February 22, 2007 - 07:42 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Matthias…..please do some research on your own. If you look to the left of this site you will see a Historical Reference list of websites that have relevant information. Don’t make others work for you. Personally I have found the Foundation for Defense of Democracies an excellent source of information. Their research is done by scholars who are expert in their respective fields. Give it a shot why don’t you?
February 22, 2007 - 08:41 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Proof of what Matthias? The Oil For Food, that was being rumored prior to the invasion? Remember how France was getting a bit nervous? And with very good reason…brand new french weapons being confiscated on the battle field, as were some from Russia, and those O.F.F. contracts! That wasn’t just a rumor was it?
February 22, 2007 - 08:41 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Bon Bon, thanks for the link:wink:
February 22, 2007 - 08:57 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Bonbon & Peejz,
are you kiddin’?!
You want to propose a Washington-based, after 9/11 founded organization which wikipedia calls a “neo-conservative think tank” and marks as “The neutrality of this article is disputed.” as an objective source?????
The statement from your side was “”EVERY SINGLE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE WORLD THOUGHT SADDAM HAD [WMD-like] WEAPONSâ€. Where is a single link to a non-allied western intelligence agency or state leader statement that somehow confirms this statement? Where is it? Even on your wannabe-democrats-Site???
February 22, 2007 - 09:07 AM on February 22nd, 2007
wikipedia is a place where they allow me to edit info:shock:
February 22, 2007 - 09:23 AM on February 22nd, 2007
20- Matthis, I just spent 15 minutes doing research, and guess what, i found some answers, I suggest you do the same. Hey look what I dug up
February 22, 2007 - 09:26 AM on February 22nd, 2007
That is not the answer I am waiting for… You and your friends called me a liar- prove it!
February 22, 2007 - 09:30 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Where is it saying something about weapons of mass destruction??? We weren’t talking about Iraq’s abuse of the OFF-program, but about “even the non-allied countries knowing about the existence of WMDs before the Iraq war”…
February 22, 2007 - 09:42 AM on February 22nd, 2007
24- Yes we were talking about O.F.F. as that was the dirty little secret that France and Russia didn’t want the US to know about. It is key to the situation, and you know that. France, Russia and China all threatened to veto the vote, remember that? That money was vital and they couldn’t have the US disrupting it.
And Matthias, on November 8, 2002, the UN passed Resolution 1441 urging Iraq to disarm or face “serious consequences”. The resolution passed with a 15 to 0 vote.
February 22, 2007 - 09:49 AM on February 22nd, 2007
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“1. Matthias Roggenbuck said:
In that case the pre-war philosophy of the Bush administration wasn’t very intelligent either: you know, when the UN and half of the NATO allies had strong doubts on the WMD stituation in Iraq:
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3. BonBon Said:
On February 20, 2007 – 07:22 AM
Yeah Matthia:that’s a dead issue. EVERY SINGLE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE WORLD THOUGHT SADDAM HAD WEAPONS and further if you would actually look at what has been found in Iraq since we went in you would see that we have found plenty of weapons caches. “
No, we (=BonBon and me) were NOT talking about the OFF-scandal but about WMDs and the world knowledge state on those!
Trying to twist fact/arguments, that anybody can read on this page is not very intelligent either… I’m no redneck from Texas with whom that may work…
February 22, 2007 - 10:08 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Obviously the redneck is smarter than you.
February 22, 2007 - 10:20 AM on February 22nd, 2007
Again Matthias if you go to the Foundation and actually look at the resumes of the contributors to this organization you will see that they are NOT all conservatives but rather a mix. Peejz is right about the Oil for Food scandal. It is the single biggest reason why the agencies refused to acknowledge what they knew. The price tag on the program is estimated to be more than $100 BILLION. That is with a “B” and when they finish the audit they expect it to be twice that much.
That’s alot of motivation for a couple of countries to ignore what’s happening and allow the status quo to prevail. It’s also why they loved Clinton and hate Bush.
February 22, 2007 - 12:49 PM on February 22nd, 2007
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The two of you know, how silly your escape is to say “Iraq deceived the world with the Oil-for-food-scandal” is equal to the statement “The world knew about Iraq having WMDs”… apples and oranges… or rather apples and coconuts!!
27-
What a feeble response… I would rather have expected such an “insult-when-running-out-of-arguments”-reaction from somebody else here starting with a “P”… poor Peejz…
February 22, 2007 - 12:58 PM on February 22nd, 2007
Matthias….the world knew.
February 22, 2007 - 02:58 PM on February 22nd, 2007
30- Yes, and if your belief (alone) is strong enough the sun starts revolving around the earth again…
February 22, 2007 - 04:12 PM on February 22nd, 2007
29- Who said iraq deceived the world with Oil For Food? No one except you. What was said, and is true, is that France and Russia went along with the resolution, but not the overthrowing of Saddam because they had a lot of money to lose because of what they thought was a secret program. They didn’t bank on us finding out about it prior to the invasion. It also came to light that both countries had been breaking UN rules, and supplying weapons to Iraq.
Also, GWB is quite a bit smarter than you. Do you even know what a redneck is?
February 23, 2007 - 02:41 AM on February 23rd, 2007
32- Yes, and if penguins had no warm feet they would start sticking to the ice… but I don’t really care because that’s got nothing to do with the orginal topic!
February 23, 2007 - 02:49 AM on February 23rd, 2007
PS: With so many expenses and corpses on his account and still having so many fans, GWB must be a bit smarter than me… unless his fans are “a bit less smart” than me…
February 23, 2007 - 06:55 AM on February 23rd, 2007
33- Why did you bring it up then?
34- The deaths are on the hands of Alqaeda and Iraqi insurgents. And yes Matthias, he is far more intelligent than you.
February 23, 2007 - 08:17 AM on February 23rd, 2007
35- Well, if he is, it proves that also far more intelligent people can do extremely stupid things…
I have just read a figure of more than $360 billion being spent for this painful adventure. Even if you forget a moment the negative moral aspect- economically that war was an unbelievable misinvestment! With that excellent salary, oil company stocks and millions of loonies that still adore him- No, I don’t wanna be in his skin now…
February 23, 2007 - 10:42 AM on February 23rd, 2007
Gosh, if only Matthias had been in charge of the foreign policy of the U.S.! How can America be so misguided putting into place the managers we have when there are Monday-Morning quarterbacks and anaytical experts like Matthias available?
February 23, 2007 - 02:18 PM on February 23rd, 2007
Well we did have one Monday morning quarterback in office for 8 years Robert. Remember Bill…the “let’s ignore terrorism” guy? That really worked.
Matthias…do you have any idea of the pricetag of 9/11? Multiply that on a weekly or monthly basis and you will have spent a hell of alot more money than $360B. Think about it.