Bill Maher Sorry Cheney Wasn’t Assassinated..Will The Left Denounce Him And Not Go On His Program?
I doubt it! From NewsBusters, (video available here ):
Maher: What about the people who got onto the Huffington Post – and these weren’t even the bloggers, these were just the comments section – who said they, they expressed regret that the attack on Dick Cheney failed.
Joe Scarborough: Right.
Maher: Now:
John Ridley: More than regret.
Maher: Well, what did they say?
Ridley: They said “We wish he would die.” I mean, it was (?) hate language.
Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause)
Maher: That’s a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isn’t China, shouldn’t you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away?
After some discussion about why Huffington should or shouldn’t have taken these comments down, the following occurred:
Ridley: It’s one thing to say you hate Dick Cheney, which applies to his politics. It’s another thing to say, “I’m sorry he didn’t die in an explosion.” And I think, you know:
Maher: But you should be able to say it. And by the way…
Frank: Excuse me, Bill, but can I ask you a question? Do you decide what the topics are for this show?
Maher: Yeah, I decide the topics, they don’t go there.
Frank: But you exercise control over the show the way that she does over her blog.
Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause)
Scarborough: If someone on this panel said that they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say:
Frank: I think he did.
Scarborough: Okay. Did you say:
Maher: No, no. I quoted that.
Frank: You don’t believe that?
Maher: I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.
*****Update III: NewsBusters member and blogger Jon Quixote has all the information concerning the kerfuffle at Huffington Post that Maher and the gang were discussing here.
The Moderate is singing a somewhat different tune on Maher:
My opinion on this is, Free Speech is free speech, the same Free speech rights that allows Ann Coulter to run her mouth and call John Edwards a “faggot”, is the same free speech rights that allows Bill Maher to say what he said. So, either deal with it, or turn off the TV. End of Story.
Yet with Ann:
There needs to be an Apology on her part or action taken by the G.O.P.
Anyone can denounce what these two people say, but it is part of their “act” to say what they do…they both have an audience for such ridiculousness, and as long as the demand is there, the outragious behavior will continue.
Other comments can be seen here.Â
Please see Right On Right for the best summation on the subject!
Others Blogging:
- Ace of Spades HQ
- Michelle Malkin
- Flopping Aces
- Bill Maher is Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed « The Populist Moderate
- Ed Driscoll.com
- Right Wing Nut House » MAHER: BEYOND POLITICALLY INCORRECT
- HOT AIR
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March 3, 2007 - 08:35 PM on March 3rd, 2007
I don’t recall giving my consent to quote me, either remove
me from your blog. or I’ll sue you in court. and don’t think I
cannot and will not do it. I don’t trash other bloggers and I don’t
expect to trash by any of you. Now either get it off or I’ll see you in court.
Last warning.
_TPM
March 3, 2007 - 08:46 PM on March 3rd, 2007
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March 3, 2007 - 08:49 PM on March 3rd, 2007
I also noticed you have your personal information hidden on your
domain registeration information, what are you? some kind of coward,
got to hide hehind a keyboard? My comments are copyrighted. as is my content on my site, stealing content is a federal offense. and I assure you, if the quote isn’t removed. you will be hearing from my lawyer come monday. and don’t think I can’t get court order to get your information.
Quoting isn’t a problem, but quoting me to run me in the ground, is a libel and I will sue, if need be.
March 3, 2007 - 08:52 PM on March 3rd, 2007
1- TPM, huh? I know I’ve been gone for a few weeks on a visit to Europe, but I don’t understand what you are referring to.
As for Maher, don’t don’t support him for suggesting the killing of any American, regardless of their position. I don’t think he was advocating for that though. I think he was suggesting what, from his viewpoint, the result would be “if” it had happened. (which I do not agree with either… the faux war machine will continue with or without Cheney pulling George’s strings)
Ann’s comments, however, are different because they fan flames of hate towards the gay community long struggling for equality. Foriegn Policy issues, and foriegn wars, are not the same as smearing entire populations within the USA.
March 3, 2007 - 08:56 PM on March 3rd, 2007
Quoting isn’t a problem, but quoting me to run me in the ground, is a libel and I will sue,
Where did you get the idea that I was trying to run you into the ground? I merely pointed out a double standard. And any lawyer will tell you that you would need to prove intent, which you have no case for. Nothing was stolen, it was sited under copyright law.
Are you angry becasue I pointed out that you hold one person to one set of standards and in your opinion, even the POTUS should condemn Ann, but with Maher, we should “either deal with it, or turn off the TV. End of Story.”
March 3, 2007 - 09:04 PM on March 3rd, 2007
SEE YOU IN COURT. STEALING CONTENT IS STEALING CONTENT. AND IT’S A LIBEL.
HOPE YOU GOT A GOOD LAWYER. CAUSE YOU’RE GONNA NEED IT.
YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM MY ATTORNEY SOON.
March 3, 2007 - 09:05 PM on March 3rd, 2007
3- I’ll cede you the point on Maher..
I also agree with you on the gay civil rights point, therefore, for the life of me, why would someone like John A go out of his way to set the cause back? That is what I have a real problem with. He has the legal mind and talent to further the cause, so why get in the mud and try to out gay republicans? His excuse is their “hypocritical” stance..well, I for one don’t walk lock-step with the right, and I don’t think you do with the left, so why is it that he feels the need to hurt the cause? Aren’t they in the same struggle? And do you realistically think that it is just the right that is fighting gay civil rights? I don’t! The votes in Democratic states prove me correct. Look at my state, MI.
March 3, 2007 - 09:05 PM on March 3rd, 2007
5- okay
March 3, 2007 - 09:14 PM on March 3rd, 2007
YOU’RE AN IDIOT. WITH NAME LIKE PEEJZ, YOU’RE A IDIOT RAGHEAD, WHO GOT IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY ANYHOW. ANYWAYS… YOU BETTER HAVE A DAMN GOOD LAWYER. STEALING CONTENT FROM A BLOG WITHOUT THE AUTHORS PERMISSION IS A FEDERAL OFFENSE. I DON’T MIND REFERENCES, BUT TO QUOTE ME TO SLANDER ME, IS A LIBEL. AND I WILL SUE YOU IF IT ISN’T REMOVED BY MONDAY. I AM A UNEMPLOYED MAN, I GOT A LAWYER FRIEND WHO WILL TAKE IT PRO-BONO… I COULD USE ME A COUPLE HUNDRED MILLION FROM YOU RICH WRITER TYPES. HOPE YOU GOT IT, CAUSE IF YOU DON’T, I’LL TAKE EVERYTHING YOU GOT. C-YA…
March 3, 2007 - 09:27 PM on March 3rd, 2007
[...] Mar 3rd, 2007 by The Moderate In reply to the Fat Homosexual, who is, I’m told, Ann Coulter’s personal bitch, named Peejz over at right voices accuses me of having a double standard. [...]
March 3, 2007 - 09:49 PM on March 3rd, 2007
March 3, 2007 - 09:49 PM on March 3rd, 2007
Mr. Populist, I can see why you’re unemployed…
March 3, 2007 - 10:43 PM on March 3rd, 2007
This Blog Post Is Copyright Protected and Fair Use Is Not Applicable:
March 3, 2007 - 10:56 PM on March 3rd, 2007
wow, someone needs to relax…
March 3, 2007 - 10:57 PM on March 3rd, 2007
Bill Maher speaks, the left is silent
Hypocrites. If the left allows Bill Maher to pass on this, then they should shut the hell up over Ann Coulter. I am sick of the double standard. I’m tired of the expectation that conservatives have to play nice. The left has figured out how to ex…
March 3, 2007 - 11:27 PM on March 3rd, 2007
More mindless braying froma realy stupid jackass time to tie a knot in his tail:razz:
March 4, 2007 - 12:14 AM on March 4th, 2007
Die Cheney is OK, Faggot Edwards is Not
Did you ever notice that the left is famous for fighting for rights? They are the champions of the people’s rights and they will fight for your right to (how come the Beastie Boys come to mind) do whatever you want and to say whatever you want, …
March 4, 2007 - 12:42 AM on March 4th, 2007
is this a real story:roll:
March 4, 2007 - 03:42 AM on March 4th, 2007
Coulter is bad, Maher is ok – Nothing really changes with Liberals
The outcry has continued against Coulter, and I am not surprised. The left and the right often combine their forces against her when she decides to push the envelope.
But likewise I am unsurprised that the left continues to ignore the outrag…
March 4, 2007 - 03:55 AM on March 4th, 2007
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March 4, 2007 - 03:55 AM on March 4th, 2007
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March 4, 2007 - 07:24 AM on March 4th, 2007
Walter Reed and Privatization: The Conservative Ac
Now we must deal with the horrible debacle of the criminal treatment of our wounded soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center – a case study in privatization gone horribly bad. Liberals are absolutely giddy over the fact that most conservatives are…
March 4, 2007 - 08:18 AM on March 4th, 2007
To hell with Cheney he’s a lost cause and an old school war hawk with special interests in the continuation of the Iraq carnage.
Now let’s talk about Ann Coulter’s latest addition to the Mitt Romney campaign.:roll:
I love it when these types show what they’re truly made of.
March 4, 2007 - 08:34 AM on March 4th, 2007
Sorry Nifong……….You’re full of it.
Yep……..now he’s got to cover his A**
Via The News and Observer
Durham police Sgt. Mark Gottlieb and Investigator Benjamin Himan each listed in their case notes that they were at DNA Security on April 10, a week before any indictments…
March 4, 2007 - 09:08 AM on March 4th, 2007
“And do you realistically think that it is just the right that is fighting gay civil rights? I don’t! The votes in Democratic states prove me correct. Look at my state, MI.”
Being Democrat does not at all make you left-leaning. Michigan is still very industrial and vote based on labor and economic issues. The liberal population in Michigan is much smaller than the Democratic population. There are many bigots who vote Democrat, just as there are many who vote Republican.
On Maher: It’s perfectly okay what he said about Cheney. Many see Cheney as an unscrupulous and downright evil person, and there is no doubt that he is highly responsible for a lot of the “wrongs” committed by the Bush Administration. Using hate-fueled slurs to refer to a large (and often hated, misunderstood, and disadvantaged) group of people is COMPLETELY different. It is free speech but it is disgusting. Coulter shouldn’t “have” to do anything about it, but it does further show what kind of despicable human being she is.
March 4, 2007 - 09:41 AM on March 4th, 2007
NY Times — Jesus Tomb Show “Stacked To Support One Hypothesis”
When even the New York Times, a paper not known for its support of those who believe that the Bible means what it says and says what it means, indicates that the upcoming “Tomb of Jesus” documentary is based upon…
March 4, 2007 - 09:58 AM on March 4th, 2007
Record The Votes
This one is a no-brainer — so much so that even the Houston Chronicle is on the right side of the issue.
Imagine a representative democracy in which legislators could pass or defeat bills without letting their constituents know which way each l…
March 4, 2007 - 10:21 AM on March 4th, 2007
Clever Dan- I wasn’t referring to liberals. I was referring to Democrats, and if I read you correctly, you agree that it isn’t just a republican or democratic issue. I disagree that being a dem doesn’t mean you lean to the left. I think in either case, it is the degree to which you lean left or right.
I also disagree with the Cheney comment. It isn’t perfectly okay that he said it. It may be that he dislikes him, but wishing for the death of him is a bit extreme. He is within his right to say it.
Neither needs to apologise if they chose not to, nor should anyone be apologising for them. HBO is Mahers employer, and if that is what they find acceptable, so be it. Coulter is employed by ?, but if they see fit to keep her, so be it.
On Coulters comment; how far are we going to go with changing the word or stopping its usuage? Is Ann the only one we will single out or are we going after the entertainment industry? How about the word queer? Queer Eye For The Straight Guy and Queer As Folk come to mind. Or how about The Departed? Best Picture Of The Year. I lost count on the number of times the word fag, or the refrences to it, was thrown out there….
March 4, 2007 - 12:26 PM on March 4th, 2007
Afternoon Craziness
The King says “have it his way”
Is this a real photo?
Q: How do you tell the difference between a liberal and a conservative? A: Easy. Watch a man drowning fifty feet offshore.
The conservative will throw out 25 feet of rope and shout &#…
March 4, 2007 - 01:40 PM on March 4th, 2007
The Pigeon on Tax Time
After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I finished my taxes yesterday in a record two hours–not bad considering it included my wife’s self employment forms and my spankin’ new mortgage information. But regardless of record time, I was one
March 4, 2007 - 01:42 PM on March 4th, 2007
Here’s an idea:
Rather than to simply drag Maher’s name through the mud, why don’t we attempt to understand why he and a huge margin of the world feel this way. Perhaps than we can concentrate on positive revalations.
Is this not the fundamentals of Democracy?
March 4, 2007 - 01:45 PM on March 4th, 2007
“Rather than to simply drag Maher’s name through the mud, why don’t we attempt to understand why he and a huge margin of the world feel this way.”
Uhh…because Bush and Cheney are viewed by hundreds of millions of people as being more dangerous than the threat of terrorism?
That would be my guess.
March 4, 2007 - 01:58 PM on March 4th, 2007
SFLiberal,
Exactly my point.
Unfortunately, there seems to be so much effort spent on OVER-analizing each and every comment made by the opposing side, trying to find “offensive language” rather than to actually attempt the find the true meaning. In this case:
Why does the rest of the world, including a huge number of Americans feel that the Bush administration has wronged us?
Perhaps if we actually analize this unfortunate truth, we can start making some positive changes.
Fact of the matter: Wishing someones demise is a very powerful statement. There must be a reason behind this, whether or not we continue to ignore it.
March 4, 2007 - 02:02 PM on March 4th, 2007
I wonder if the quote had been, “Too bad the bomb didn’t kill Maher.” Would the left be justifying it?
The Left, especially the Populist, get really angry when their stupidest quotes are broadcast and used to confront them.
OBTW, Hillary Clinton is appearing is one of her by invitation only “listening sessions” sessions across the street from me tonight. I won’t cross the street to see the megalomaniac shyster.
March 4, 2007 - 02:06 PM on March 4th, 2007
They would either justify it, or simply ignore it, like they have done time and time again when their side has committed faux pas they would have skewered a Republican for.
March 4, 2007 - 02:24 PM on March 4th, 2007
I am not “the left”
I am an American citizen who likes the think for myself. It is actually one of the many great qualities that human beings have inherited. It is such a shame that it is not used by all.
No one is justifying what he said. The problem is that no one is attempting to UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, and would go so far as to say that more lives would be saved if Cheney’s was lost. -I don’t believe this. However, I do not trust our current administration either.
Think for yourself, question authority. This does not translate to undermine authority, simply question it.
Should Hitler’s, Castro’s Musollini’s, Pol Pot’s authority not have been questioned? Should Saddams authority have been questioned? Should the Catholic authority have beened questioned during the Inquisition? Should the radical Muslim authority be questioned for suicide bombings?
Please look through history, learn from it. It is the only way we can move toward living together as one. Please don’t dismiss this as “hippie rhetoric” I can assure you I do not fall into this category.
Think for yourself, question authority.
March 4, 2007 - 07:08 PM on March 4th, 2007
Would the Taliban tell the truth?
An ordinary Afghan civilian would not use such terminology
March 4, 2007 - 07:20 PM on March 4th, 2007
Liberals do not really oppose the Iraq War
liberals and leftists do not oppose war because they fear the loss of our soldiers’ lives or hate violence or worry about innocent civilians being killed or because war is stupid.
March 4, 2007 - 09:12 PM on March 4th, 2007
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March 5, 2007 - 05:58 AM on March 5th, 2007
Ryan, I question all “Liberal Authority”. They usually are full of crap.
March 5, 2007 - 09:04 AM on March 5th, 2007
Anatomy of an Impropriety, or Ann Coulter Vs. Bill Maher
March 5, 2007 - 09:09 AM on March 5th, 2007
Maybe its time for a bird to drop something gooie brown smelly and unpeasent on mahers head SQUAWK SQUAWK I,LL DO IT:razz:
March 5, 2007 - 09:31 AM on March 5th, 2007
PCD,
It is good that you question the Liberal authority. However, do you not also question the Republican? It seems to me that with all things in life, the truth usually lies in the middle. I would hate for you (or anyone) to be ill informed simply due to party loyalty.
“‘I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.’ ‘I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.’ ‘Hey, wait a minute, there’s one guy holding out both puppets!’ â€
So much wasted time on bickering and arguing. Lets overcome our differences and work together. Afterall, our differences are what make this world go ’round, right?
Another funny thing comes to mind, and I’m sure I’ll be blasted for suggesting this: Patriotism is a farce. It only serves to seperate us further, only with temporary boundaries. Look through history and see how many times these “boundries” or “borders” have been renamed, redrawn. Guess what world, we have ALL inherited EVERY last grain of sand on this Earth, regardless of where we happen to be born geographically and in which time period.
I am only in my 20’s. It amazes me that others with so many more years of experience and education don’t see this blatent truth. I don’t think that I am any more educated than the average joe.
This world, this life runs so much deeper than world politics. This is yet again, only a temporary system.
March 5, 2007 - 10:03 AM on March 5th, 2007
Ryan, you are naive. You haven’t had your car vandalized or run off the road solely for the bumperstickers on it. Neither have you traveled much. It is so easy to give away what you haven’t earned.
Just so you know, I faced down elected politicans in Orange County, CA, before 1995. I questioned the OC supervisors raising taxes to invest in the scheme the only elected Democrat who was the Tax Collector and Treasurer was running. This lead to the bankruptcy of Orange County. You heard of that?
I faced down then Governor, Tom Vilsack, here in Iowa. And, FYI, the Union Goons were circling behind me to give me a “Union Education”, For you who haven’t lived through such things, that is a real, put you in the hospital, beating.
So don’t come here to lecture. It seems so nice to get a good life talking other people out of their hard earned money, freedoms, and goods, but it don’t work that way.
March 5, 2007 - 10:11 AM on March 5th, 2007
Ryan- you make valid points, and in an ideal world I think we would be possible to achieve what you seek.
Keep in mind that you are discussing this in a political forum…therefore don’t be surprised when you see us arguing back and forth:wink: You are looking at just this topic and not the entire archives of what it is that we discuss.
The only think I have really disagreed with you on is this statement: “Rather than to simply drag Maher’s name through the mud”
Maher put himself in the mud all by himself, this is just one comment out of thousands that the man has made…he is the male Coulter…I really see no difference in their communication styles.
March 5, 2007 - 10:25 AM on March 5th, 2007
PCD – I apologize for the unfortunate situations you were involved in. However, you must know that there are just as many people from the Right who would do the same horrible things to those from the Left (simply becuase they “disagree”). It isn’t the ideals that make people negativelly act out on their beliefs. These are simply the criminally insane -we have them on both sides.
Peejz – I thank you for your comments. I suppose you are correct in pointing out that I may have picked the wrong forum to discuss my personal beliefs. I think it is simply a shame that most cannot honestly look to and understand both the opinions of the Right & Left. It seems foolhardy and unproductive to ignore valid points raised by an opposing party, simply because of party loyalty. I guess this is simply a reflection of the times we live in.
I’ll no longer bother you with my “naive” way of thinking. Forgive me if I was mistaken in thinking that it is easy for all to look outside the box.
I wish all of you and your families good health and happiness.
Kind Regards,
Ryan
March 5, 2007 - 10:43 AM on March 5th, 2007
It seems foolhardy and unproductive to ignore valid points raised by an opposing party, simply because of party loyalty.
The problem is that 99% of the time is that the point gets lost in the bickering…
March 5, 2007 - 11:14 AM on March 5th, 2007
Peejz – Exactly my point. Thank you for bringing back some of my faith in humanity. It is unfortunate that most don’t realize this.
I could care less about Bill Maher. Don’t think he’s a great comedian and he doesn’t do to well with politics either. This is hardly about him. This is about one party blasting the other, just because.
Fact remains, people (including a lot of Americans) posted and believe strongly in these hatefull comments about Dick Cheney. Granted, these particular comments are useless in fighting “the good fight.” However, the comments were still made. Why? Why has the Bush Administration angered SO MANY people. Once we answer this, then we can get somewhere.
I use to consider myself a Conservative. I once was an avid supporter/defender of the Bush administration. I once disagreed with all views of the left (w/o actually researching them), just because. I am also very capable of admitting my faults. I now consider myself an Independent.
I recall a recent interview with the first lady. In this particular interview she stated that “it is so sad that all America sees on television is that one car bombing a day in Iraq.” -I’m sorry, but am I missing something here? One car bombing a day would seem to be to be a HUGE TRAVISTY, each and every day.
Picture this if you will: A car bombing in New York EVERY SINGLE DAY. As Americans, we couldn’t even begin to fathom the complete moral breakdown this would cause.
“Just one car bombing a day” This statement is absolutely insane.
March 5, 2007 - 11:18 AM on March 5th, 2007
32, so what is your answer, Ryan? Cut and Run? Do you realize that the people behind the carbombings are beyond reasoning with? You either convert to their beliefs or they kill you, period.
March 5, 2007 - 11:37 AM on March 5th, 2007
PCD – My answer is simple. WORK TOGETHER.
Here it is, very easy: The Right have a lot of good points, and a lot of bad ones. The Left have a lot of good points, and a lot of bad ones. -Do you see where I’m going with this?
Useless bickering aside, lets WORK TOGETHER. Perhaps if we really made an HONEST effort to understand both sides we can put the good ideas together and drop the bad.
You mention that our enemy is unable to reason with. However, judging by your responses, I would put you in the same category. (it’s unfortunate that I feel I have to point this out, but) Of course, I am not calling you a terrorist, I am simply suggesting that by completely denouncing an alternate point of view (w/o really taking it into consieration) you are being unreasonable. This is counterproductive.
March 5, 2007 - 12:49 PM on March 5th, 2007
34, ryan, you are just an idiot. Sitting down, singing Kumbya is not going to solve problems. You sit there in your private nirvana and expect everyone else to take the same drugs as you do.
You cannot see that people who WILL walk in to your circle with a few pounds of dynamite and a detonator will not accept anything short of either you taking their point of view entirely or blowing you up.
That is a sad fact that you are unwilling to accept. How do work with that? Surrender? Die because you can’t stop singing?
Get real, ryan.
March 5, 2007 - 01:33 PM on March 5th, 2007
PCD – This is the response I expected. It’s quite unfortunate really.
Rather than to offer an intelligent rebuttal, you attack me personally. Quite hypocritical I might add.
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps the answer is to attack/destroy anything and anyone we THINK may be a potential danger to American ideals. Is this how you would like your country to be viewed? I guess, at least YOU would be safe, right?
This is what I get from your responses, tell me if I’m wrong: You will not hear anything the Left (or anyone opposing your view) has to say because they are just plain wrong.
This is a very unfortunate characterstic in a lot of people, including the Bush Administration. This, by the way, is what got us into the debacle we call Operation Iraqi Freedom. While the rest of the world said, “maybe we shouldn’t topple a government that we don’t agree with and impose our own” The Bush Administration decided (oh thats right, they got bad intelligence from GBR) Iraq had weapons of mass destruction pointed right at us. What did we find?
Picture this: Communist China feels that Democracy no longer works, and therefore, decides to topple the U.S. Government and impose there own. I would like to think that I would put up just as much of a fight.
Continue to live your sheltered life. Continue to fight the Left (and the rest of the world), just because. Continue to hear only your voice. One day you will have the sad realization that the rest of the world has evolved and you are left alone, arguing a mute point.
Singing Kumbaya, as you call it, is simply my way of suggesting that we start working together.
Ryan
March 5, 2007 - 01:43 PM on March 5th, 2007
Ryan, you are the typical elitist idiot that bad mouths the cops until you need one because a mugger won’t work with you.
You were never looking for anything but complete agreement with your sheltered view. You are a hypocrite in expecting people to cave in to your “superior intellect”. Yes, that arrogance was deftly displayed in the “Wrath of Khan”.
Come back after you experienced the real world. Maybe after you had a Union Education or two.
March 5, 2007 - 02:09 PM on March 5th, 2007
Ryan,
PCD is an idiot. Don’t waste your time.
March 5, 2007 - 02:16 PM on March 5th, 2007
AKD, you are just a liberal provocateur.
March 5, 2007 - 02:53 PM on March 5th, 2007
PCD, your level of intelligence shines clearly in your responses.
BTW, you have yet to offer one valid rebuttal to any of the points I have raised.
Further, I don’t believe you understand the meaning of hypocracy, considering your description.
Sir/Ma’am, you are a lost cause who is consumed by your assumably uneducated, counterproductive ideals.
You offer no helpful suggestions, only bitter personal attacks. This is highly immature and makes me question your self proclaimed achievements.
March 5, 2007 - 03:13 PM on March 5th, 2007
Ryan,, You’d had better NEVER need my help to save your live. You won’t get it as I consider you a waste. You have no principles and consider giving up everyone’s freedom in this country as something viable.
You just don’t accept anyother point of view, and you have amply demonstrated it with my you bloody hypocrite.
March 5, 2007 - 03:16 PM on March 5th, 2007
As an interesting experiment, is there anyone else who supports/agrees with PCD’s views, whatever they might be?
I am not interested in proving “my point” as there is nothing to prove. It is simply an observation. I am curious as to how many share this particular view, whatever it may be.
March 5, 2007 - 03:23 PM on March 5th, 2007
41. PCD, you have just described the contents of every response you’ve set forth on this particular issue. Ultimately, describing yourself to the T. Look back through our sting of correspondence, it is extremely visible.
1. First, you’ve yet to offer your point of view (only attacks). Therefore, I have nothing to accept as of yet.
2. You state that I have no principiles and consider giving up everyones freedom. There is nothing even remotely similar to this observation in any of my responses. I would welcome examples.
Yet again, no intelligent correspondence, just more attacks. There are many of you on both sides of the view who inhibit the progress of not only American politcs, but World politics as well.
You have never had the opportunity of meeting me, and therefore, your description of my personal beliefs & charecteristics have no relavence here.
Come on PCD, lets stop with the mindless attacks and start being productive.
March 5, 2007 - 03:29 PM on March 5th, 2007
“You’d had better NEVER need my help to save your live. You won’t get it as I consider you a waste.” This is shocking.
-I hope you don’t consider yourself to be Christian. If yes, I would suggest reading the words in red. Those are the words of Christ, and are in complete disagreement with the statement above.
It is amazing to me that when I offer suggestions of coming together as one, and loving each other as equals (which is what we are), you respond with your intentions of witnessing my demise without offering a helping hand becuase you consider me a waste.
You have me perplexed beyond belief.
I hope, for you and your family’s sake, that you recognize the error of your ways before your negativity is instilled onto others.
March 5, 2007 - 03:57 PM on March 5th, 2007
I took friends to a taping of Jay Leno show in February 2006. Bill Maher and Shawn White(just back with his gold metal win in the olympics)were guest. During a break after Shawn was interviewed, Maher, feeling ignored grabed White’s gold metal and held it up to the audience and said “this looks like a Cock Ring”. No one laughed at this druggie and it showed his disrespect for anything good and mora in Amercia. If the DEA followed this Ass around for a week, they would know a lot about drug use in his circle.
Jim M.
March 5, 2007 - 04:04 PM on March 5th, 2007
As previously stated, Maher is a bad comedian, and even worse in politics.
I think he just wants attention, either positive or negative. Its all the same for those types.
March 5, 2007 - 10:20 PM on March 5th, 2007
32- Why does the left hate GWB so much? Well let’s work from 2000 on up to the present time. IMO, they hate him because they lost in 2000 and rather than face the legal reality of the situation, they persist in saying he stole an election…the list goes on and on..they hate because they can hate and they are not willing to entertain any other thought other than death and destruction to him and his administration. Burying our heads and pretending that we can talk out our differences with terrorists is naive and just plain stupid. This country ignored all the warnings for too long and we have paid a price and will continue to do so.
The hypocricy of the left saying we should get out of Iraq, yet go into Darfur? What, to fight another branch of the terrorists we are fighting in Iraq? Crazy..
Believe it or not, every problem in the world is not the fault of Bush..he is easy to blame, but kinda stupid to listen to the rhetoric….
Let’s look at Walter Reed..to listen to people, this too is all/only GWB’s fault. Well, he has been in office for 6 years and it is now finally being addressed, but my father is 73, and he didn’t hear anything new that he hadn’t heard all his life…yet we have CLAIRE MCCASKILL (D-MO)trotting out with legislation and making this claim:
MR. MATTHEWS: We begin tonight with Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri.
Senator McCaskill, when did you learn about the horror stories over at Walter Reed and the way our guys with amputated legs and arms and everything else are being treated over there?
SEN. MCCASKILL: I was actually in Washington Sunday morning, because we’d been there for the vote on Saturday afternoon, and read the paper and physically felt ill. And, you know, I don’t think Americans should be distracted by this story that came out today about somebody in charge of fund-raising. …
Found out on a Sunday huh? Yet when she was on O’Reilly last week, she still hadn’t made it there, she sent an aide…and that is the problem…it is the job of our elected representatives to know what is going on…They appropriate the money and should have started taking care of the problem oh, say maybe 70 years ago!
(It is beyond the time for term limits and age limits on these people!)
So Ryan, I would say that there are legitimate gripes about Bush and Co., but to justify someone calling for any of their deaths is just silly…. Sometimes all it takes is to listen and that is something that I find lacking in this country..
March 5, 2007 - 10:59 PM on March 5th, 2007
Peejz,
Thank you for your enlightning response. It is very much appreciated.
As stated previously, I would consider myself an Independent, for many reasons (which I won’t go into at this time). I would like to think of myself as a practical thinker, and therefore, would certainly never entertain such hateful and useless comments.
When I do hear comments such as which were reiterated by Bill Maher (which it seems many share), I want to understand why these individuals feel so strongly. This is what I feel is important. To actually hear out the other side (this goes for everyone), and not close our minds because we assume right off that bat all they want to do is spin.
I know its a tall order, but we have to start somewhere.
Again, thank you for taking the time to respond.
Ryan
March 5, 2007 - 11:03 PM on March 5th, 2007
No problem Ryan:wink:
March 6, 2007 - 06:03 AM on March 6th, 2007
Ryan,
Before you go off to your blind nirvana, consider others who sat down and tried to understand the terrorists. In the archives here there are links to Mr’Kim and others getting their heads sawed off. I know you are blind to those outcomes, but you are blind to evetything else but Bush hatred being your answer to problems.
March 6, 2007 - 08:17 AM on March 6th, 2007
Bill Maher is another little turd that should have been flushed long ago. I couldn’t care less why he shoots his mouth off, why he would make such an outrageous statement. He is just a pos, that’s reason enough.
March 6, 2007 - 10:53 AM on March 6th, 2007
PCD,
Unfortunately, you continue to miss my point. I will try (for the last time) to make it clear.
Take a deep breath, no one is attacking you or your views:
1. I do not hate our President and/or Vice President. However, I am not impressed with their inability to answer straight forward questions posed by the American public (you know, the people who voted him into office).
2. I do not support terrorists or their radical views. I realize that these individuals are criminally insane and cannot be reasoned with.
3. I am not in a “blind nirvana.” What I am doing is making helpful suggestions that we must try to work together to solve this terrorist problem. I understand that terrorists do not want to listen (we cannot work with these people). HOWEVER, as for the rest of us, practical, reasonable thinkers -WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER DESPITE OUR DIFFERENCES.
I understand that you wish to go through life pointing fingers and placing blame on opposing viewpoints.
Perhaps I am here to help you realize that this is a miserable unproductive way to live life.
PCD – I wish you the best in life. Please try to gain patience when talking with others. Do not be so quick to assume that they are part of a particular group simply because there views may oppose your own. After all, not everyone NEEDS to belong to a certain group/party. There are those who think for themselves through life experiences.
March 6, 2007 - 11:28 AM on March 6th, 2007
Ryan, you tried this crap out on Sister Toldjah’s website and you didn’t get any farther than you did here.
What little, small minded, self-important people like yourself seem to thing that answering your stupid questions and suggestions are the most important thing that the President has to deal with. You are wrong. Get over it.
March 6, 2007 - 11:40 AM on March 6th, 2007
Ryan,
One thing YOU NEVER offered was your solution to #2. You think no one noticed that? All you have is talk, surrender of people’s principles and treasure, but no answers.
Ryan, you are useless.
March 6, 2007 - 11:49 AM on March 6th, 2007
PCD – Last time I checked we were still considered a Democracy. The Presidents job is to answer to the people. Somehow you must have missed this in politcal science.
As far as #2: My suggestion is to work together (you and me) in order to come up with a solution. Unfortunately, I do not have all the answers, or a solution for this much bigger problem. I have a suggestion though. However, it seems you are not interested in working with someone with an opposing view point, just because. Seems extremely childish.
You should try UNDERSTANDING other view points, rather than to just challenge them. Once you have something important or meaningful to say, feel free. Who knows, you may even make a positive difference one day.
I feel very sorry for your current state PCD. You must be a very unhappy individual, dwelling in your own self made hatred for mankind. Guess what, you’re one of us.
I am sorry if you feel that working together is useless. -Sit back and think about that statement for minute.
March 6, 2007 - 01:03 PM on March 6th, 2007
ryan, you are the one with nothing to say and you have no solutions. You prove it with every post. You are the childish one arrogantly projecting your faults upon others.
Oh, you flunk PoliSci. We are a Representative Republic, not mob rule.
March 6, 2007 - 01:39 PM on March 6th, 2007
PCD – Your pesonality resembles that of a feral dog. Confused and mad at the world. Rough life.
March 6, 2007 - 01:40 PM on March 6th, 2007
PCD – There, I made a personal attack. Is this starting to make sense to you. Seems to be all you understand.
March 6, 2007 - 02:13 PM on March 6th, 2007
59, ryan, you are a spoiled child. Grow up and get out of the house. It might help to get off the bong, too.
March 6, 2007 - 02:23 PM on March 6th, 2007
You are unbelievable PCD.
I know 18 year olds who are of a superior intellect than you.
This conversation has strayed so far from its original point, and it is my fault for entertaining your idiotic rants.
March 6, 2007 - 02:35 PM on March 6th, 2007
60, You are just a 20 year old know it all that knows nothing. Your sophmoreic intellect is trying to assert its superiority, but just showing you to be a fool.
Listen, bub, I’m more than twice as old as you are. I’ve been around this world. I do know more, and have experienced more than you have. Take and internship at the CIA and then we’ll talk. Until then, you are just a blind fool trying to look wise and significant when you know yourself that you are neither.
March 6, 2007 - 03:23 PM on March 6th, 2007
PCD – Look back at your responses. All you have offered are self proclaimed achievements (which as far as I am concerned are completely false), broad generic statements and personal attacks. Nothing helpful.
I can’t find one actual intelligent statement from you. Look through this post. Provide me with an example.
I am done going in circles with you. You know longer exist to me.
March 6, 2007 - 04:48 PM on March 6th, 2007
It might help to get off the bong, too.
See, the Right Voices board is trying to make a difference! Daring to get kids off drugs!!!
March 6, 2007 - 04:56 PM on March 6th, 2007
Yes, by making completely erroneous and uneducated accusations. Seems typical.
March 6, 2007 - 05:20 PM on March 6th, 2007
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March 11, 2007 - 03:55 AM on March 11th, 2007
Okay, I’m going to make a few comments on this.
Ryan, you are a prime example as to why Churchill said that “If you’re not a liberal at 20, you don’t have a heart and if you’re not a conservative at 40 you don’t have a brain.” Don’t take that as an insult, it wasn’t meant that way. You are young and really haven’t fully developed an understanding of the situation of running this country, especially during a time of war. Hell, I’m in my 40s and served in the military and I still don’t know everything that goes on. However, I do know that there are times when it is absolutely essential that the executive branch withhold information from the general population. When at war, it is necessary to NOT tell the enemy all of our secrets. I am certain that you are intelligent enough to understand that.
While you admit that we can not possibly deal with the terrorists, you fail to state an opinion other than to work together to stop them. You seem to fail to realize that the old adage that “the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist” does apply. Dead terrorists do not fly planes into buildings, blow up cars, cut people’s heads off on videotape, etc etc etc. As for your response to the First Lady’s comments about only hearing about a car bombing in Iraq, did you ever think about why she would say that? Could it be that we have been rebuilding an infrastructure that is in a woeful state of disrepair that is never reported? That we’ve brought safe drinking water to people who have never had it? How often do you hear about these kind of things?
On the Katrina situation, I liken Fema to a reconstructive surgeon. If you cut your hand do you:
a. put a bandaid on it and see if that takes care of it? (local government)
b. go to an urgent care center to have it stitched if necessary?(state government)
c. go directly to a reconstructive surgeon whether necessary or not? (federal government)
d. All of the above, as necessary?
Mayor Nagin failed to act to evacuate the city, AND refused to prepare the Superdome for use as an emergency shelter. He had an emergency response plan but failed to carry it out.
Governor Blanco was advised to activate the National Guard and offered assistance preparing for Katrina by Florida, she refused to do either.
Yet, despite the local and state government refusing to act to prevent loss of life, the federal government has been blamed for the resulting chaos. One thing everyone fails to account for is that FEMA is responsible for more than just New Orleans. FEMA responded faster to New Orleans than it has to hurricanes in southern Florida, but you don’t hear the Floridians whining do you? Why? Because they plan ahead for hurricane season, they actually execute their plans, and then take care of as much of the damage as they can THEMSELVES.
Personally, rather than getting wound up over the deaths of soldiers during a time of war, I’d much rather see the left get off their asses and actually act to stop the deaths of Americans at the hands of criminals in our cities. More Americans die every year at the hands of illegal aliens than at the hands of terrorists, but the liberals demand that nothing be done to stop them from entering the country. More Americans die at the hands of criminals than die at the hands of terrorists, but the liberals scream that we mustn’t execute or severely punish them for their actions. We must provide them with the very rights that they have taken from their victims. Why can’t the liberals get wound up about something they can change and save the lives of thousands of Americans annually? Why don’t the liberals march down the streets complaining about the thousands of innocent Americans who die at the hands of violent career criminals instead of the handful of criminals who die at the hands of law enforcement? How about a march demanding that anyone wanting to enter the US have a criminal and medical background check to prevent crime and epidemics? Wouldn’t that be a reasonable expectation for someone wanting to come here to improve their lives? Wouldn’t doing something like this be considered a reasonable example of the “working together” that you want? While I realize that you feel that there should be a one world government, you would NOT like the results. You would not want to live in a third world. Socialism/communism is a debunked hypothesis. It has failed repeatedly. Why? Because NOONE wants to work their asses off without being rewarded for their efforts. It reduces output to the lowest common denominator. Noone is willing to produce more while receiving no greater reward for their efforts than the least productive worker.
March 14, 2007 - 02:17 PM on March 14th, 2007
Ryan, you are a prime example as to why Churchill said that “If you’re not a liberal at 20, you don’t have a heart and if you’re not a conservative at 40 you don’t have a brain.”Don’t take that as an insult,
I completely understand what you are saying, and certainly do not take as an insult. I admit that my age has not permitted me to be as experienced in world events as others who have had more time than I. I simply call em as I seem em at this point.
Thanks!
March 14, 2007 - 02:24 PM on March 14th, 2007
While I realize that you feel that there should be a one world government, you would NOT like the results.
Thank you again for taking the time to provide your opinions. They are greatly appreciated.
Please know that I cherish the fact that I live in this beautiful nation we call The United States of America. I ador our freedoms, in addition to our rights and responsibilities.
I guess my point is mearley – We are wasting way to much time bickering for the sake to bicker. It happens on both sides, and will continue to do so, until we stop trying to prove the other wrong and actually listen to what they have to say. Again, this needs to happen on both sides.
Kind of like trying to make a marriage work without communication. I made be only 27 years of age, but I do realize this to be truth, through personal experience. And you know what, it worked. My wife and I have been together for about 7 years (married for 2) and our communication level is superb, and therefore, so is our marriage. I can only wish this for the rest of the world as well.