WAR: DEMS PULL OUT OF FOXNEWS DEBATE
Who is to blame for the divisivness?
Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards announced Wednesday that he would not participate in the debate, citing Fox’s conservative ties as a factor.
Allahpundit explains a few things:
They’re going to answer the nutroots’ moral objections to the event by inoculating their coverage with the strongest possible dose of absolute moral authority. Simply brilliant. Lefty Garance Franke-Ruta explains the stakes succinctly.
Via Media Bistro, an anxious Kos gingerly plays the race card and clings to hope that it’s just a ploy the CBC is using to gain leverage with a real network like CNN. I almost don’t have the heart to tell him.
Johnny Dollar has audio of Chris Wallace describing John Edwards’s deep, principled, personal objections to appearing on Fox News. Meanwhile, Hotline searches desperately for veiled threats in Roger Ailes’s comments last night about Edwards skipping the FNC debate and comes up with this:
Any candidate for high office of either party who believes he can blacklist any news organization is making a terrible mistake about journalists.
Says Hotline, “[T]he threat here is that Fox News will somehow treat Edwards differently if he refuses to appear at their debate.” No, the “threat” here is that Fox News won’t treat Edwards differently if he refuses to appear. He’s the one trying to black them out, not vice versa. Ailes’s point is that they’re going to keep covering him regardless. One can imagine these same words coming out of Helen Thomas’s mouth vis-a-vis Bush refusing to call on her for three years, except then they’d be hailed as a stirring statement of journalistic principle from the dean of the White House press corps. As it is, Olby will probably wring a few more fat jokes out of it.
Exit question: “If you are afraid of journalists, how will you face the real dangers in the world?”
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March 9, 2007 - 05:18 PM on March 9th, 2007
Maybe becuase the QUICK BROWN FOX CAN RUN 12 TIMES AROUND THE STUPID DEMACRATIC DONKEY BEFORE IT KNOWS WHATS HAPPENING:razz:
March 9, 2007 - 06:57 PM on March 9th, 2007
Democrats Cave on Fox Debate
For some strange reason, the crazy people consider a debate in front of a limited audience as some kind of victory. They’re not called the nutroots for nothing.
March 9, 2007 - 07:46 PM on March 9th, 2007
If Fox Spews was actually a news organization, Allahpundit might have a point. But alas, tis not so.
March 9, 2007 - 08:05 PM on March 9th, 2007
Fox “NEWS” has already admitted that they are bias…. why is this revolution news?
March 9, 2007 - 08:52 PM on March 9th, 2007
3- Where did they say that? I believe they said that they include a conservative point of view, which is lacking on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC.
March 9, 2007 - 09:00 PM on March 9th, 2007
FOX NEWS OFFICIAL STATEMENT 9:15PM EST: ‘News organizations will want to think twice before getting involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus which appears to be controlled by radical fringe out-of-state interest groups, not the Nevada Democratic Party. In the past, Moveon.org has said they ‘own’ the Democratic party ” while most Democrats don’t agree with that, it’s clearly the case in Nevada’ — David Rhodes, VP…
March 9, 2007 - 09:23 PM on March 9th, 2007
News organizations will want to think twice before getting involved
Since Fox News is not a news organization, but a propaganda organization, how would they even know.
March 9, 2007 - 09:24 PM on March 9th, 2007
For a propaganda organization, they sure do have alot of networks scrambling to top them!
March 9, 2007 - 09:27 PM on March 9th, 2007
Lots of propaganda orgs = that’s right. CNN, MSNBC, FOX all spewing White House propaganda and pushing the war machine. Trading our childrens blood for money and oil.
March 9, 2007 - 09:38 PM on March 9th, 2007
Wow, you are so deep!
March 10, 2007 - 10:02 AM on March 10th, 2007
Democrats love to debate…as long as it’s against or sponsored by someone with an opinion that matches theirs. And by the way “Buckets of Blood,” if you’re such the ecofascist you claim to be, then explain why liberals support Hollyweirdos with private jets and mansions!
March 10, 2007 - 08:22 PM on March 10th, 2007
Private jets and mansions. Gee I’m looking at Jupiter Island off Florida’s east coast. And what do i see. THe Bush family, the Harrimans, and all the other right-wing neo-con fascists.
Lets talk about private jets and mansions. Lets
ANd lets talk about the dead soldiers in Iraq. Our children. Dying for a lie. For oil. For profit. For power. For the powerful elite. For the Jupiter Island power elites. Wake up.
March 10, 2007 - 09:30 PM on March 10th, 2007
There’s a $400 million question facing the Pentagon’s largest contractor, KBR, the former Halliburton subsidiary responsible for more than 50,000 personnel in Iraq and billions in government contracts: Will the mammoth corporation be forced to repay the government nearly half a billion dollars because it hired private security forces in Iraq, including Blackwater USA, when the Army itself was supposed to be providing it with protection?
March 10, 2007 - 09:33 PM on March 10th, 2007
In a June 2004 e-mail, KBR’s lead administrator for the LOGCAP contract, James Ray, told other company officials, “Our contract states that the government provides us with force protection…. We should not attempt to effect a material change in our contract with the government by hiring a company that we know uses armed escorts. That company is an agent of KBR and if anything happens KBR is in the pot with them. Even with lipstick, a pig is a pig. This decision is something to address squarely…. I do not recommend proceeding with this option without senior management’s approval.”
Despite that e-mail, the lipstick apparently was still on the pig three years later, as KBR’s Seagle seemed to assert that KBR’s subcontractors were entitled to hire private security. Not so, says the Army. Not only that, but the military has now begun an extensive audit of KBR’s and its subcontractors’ relationships with private security in Iraq.
The situation could be so serious for KBR that, as the company officially informed its investors a month after the Waxman hearing, it might be forced to return up to $400 million in payments stemming from alleged subcontracted private security services in Iraq.
March 11, 2007 - 06:57 AM on March 11th, 2007
Typical liberal you are, Buckets of Blood. Instead of explaining how someone can support an “environmentalist” like Al Gore and Barbra Streisand, you go on yet another rant. And besides, Democrats also wanted this war, but cave in to hippies and now claim to be pacifists.
March 11, 2007 - 12:45 PM on March 11th, 2007
“And besides, Democrats also wanted this war, but cave in to hippies and now claim to be pacifists.”
Hang on now,
I think the elected Democrats you are refering to “wanted this war” by being politicaly manuvered into a corner with the Iraq War Resolution vote being held just one month before mid-term elections in 2002 by the majority Republicans.
Many questioned the rationale for the War and the intel that was being sold to the public.
And on top of that, the vote was 296-133 in the House, and 77-23 in the Senate…so we’re not talking about unanimous consent by the Democratic Party here on this vote on an Iraq War.
This has been a Republican War from THE BEGINING.
And the American Public knows it.
March 11, 2007 - 01:03 PM on March 11th, 2007
Wow. The “smarter” party was out maneuvered by a supposedly stupid president and friends; what does that make the Dems? Retarded? And I LOVE how you call all of us fascists when you want to ban free speech any chance you get, (see the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” and Hate Speech legislation.) You’re so thin-skinned that you want anything that hurts your tender feelings banned, any point of view that threatens yours banned, government committees formed to decide what’s “fair”. Give me a break. And this Fox News thing just proves it. You don’t like Fox so you want it banned. We all know that you lose in debates that require thinking and fact and you are afraid to present your message to people you know to be smarter than you. This proves it. Otherwise you would allow your candidates to deliver their message to us “stupid” people who watch Fox News. If we’re really that dumb, it should be easy, right? You’re just chicken-$h*t fascists who want to silence us because you can’t win with your ideas. You’ve as much as admitted it with this move.
March 11, 2007 - 03:46 PM on March 11th, 2007
Unfortunately, foxforce91, conservatives lose in debates that require thinking and fact since the contemporary brand of conservatism is based upon a Christian majority threatened by any notion of the constitutional separation between church and state. Oh, and your comments that attempted to prove your intellectual superiority were undermined by the fact that you resorted to petty name-calling (”chickenshit fascists”) in a pathetic attempt to prove your point.
March 11, 2007 - 04:24 PM on March 11th, 2007
Support the troops. Stop funding their deaths.
March 11, 2007 - 04:26 PM on March 11th, 2007
Halliburton moves their Houston HQ to Dubai. Talk about cut and run. THey steal billions of taxpayer dollars, and run when the going gets too hot. Typical criminal behavior.
March 11, 2007 - 07:10 PM on March 11th, 2007
15- They voted yes..it’s real easy to try and justify it later though:wink:
March 11, 2007 - 08:52 PM on March 11th, 2007
I read somewhere that Dennis Kucinich called John Edwards a coward!
March 12, 2007 - 04:04 AM on March 12th, 2007
A few observations:
#15: You are quite right. This is a Republican war, and more specifically, a George Bush/Karl Rove war. That is why it is so important for every one of us to keep up the struggle to make sure they are not successful.
BucketsofBlood: You are by far the most intelligent and informed Leftist poster here. Keep up the good work! You’be got the neocons on the ropes!
#17 Yes the neocons lose the argument every time to the superior intellect and knowledge of the Leftist. Every time! Most of the time they never understand the point we are making because they tend to be be far less educated than we are. For example, I’ve seen Farenheit 9/11 three times. I doubt any of them have seen it even once. I have seen An Inconvenient Truth seven times. I doubt they’ve even seen it once.
See what I mean?
March 12, 2007 - 06:48 AM on March 12th, 2007
You don’t need to see Michael Moore or Al Gore’s “documentaries” to know that they are proven leftist liars and hypocrites.
March 30, 2007 - 08:12 PM on March 30th, 2007
The Iraqi Parliament has before it today, in fact, a bill called the hydrocarbon law:
If passed, the law will make available to Exxon/Mobil, Chevron/Texaco, BP/Amoco, and Royal Dutch/Shell about 4/5’s of the stupendous petroleum reserves in Iraq. That is the wretched goal of the Bush Administration, and in his speech setting the revenue-sharing “benchmark”Mr. Bush consciously avoided any hint of it.â€
March 30, 2007 - 08:19 PM on March 30th, 2007
Bush is a war criminal
March 30, 2007 - 08:54 PM on March 30th, 2007
#25 You are a babbling idiot.
March 30, 2007 - 10:58 PM on March 30th, 2007
From Afghanistan to Iraq: Connecting the Dots with Oil
By Richard W. Behan, AlterNet. Posted February 5, 2007.
In the Caspian Basin and beneath the deserts of Iraq, as many as 783 billion barrels of oil are waiting to be pumped. Anyone controlling that much oil stands a good chance of breaking OPEC’s stranglehold overnight, and any nation seeking to dominate the world would have to go after it.
The long-held suspicions about George Bush’s wars are well-placed. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not prompted by the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. They were not waged to spread democracy in the Middle East or enhance security at home. They were conceived and planned in secret long before September 11, 2001 and they were undertaken to control petroleum resources.
March 31, 2007 - 07:06 AM on March 31st, 2007
27- I read that to mean that the Iraqis are assured income for the oil that they pump and sell. Next.
March 31, 2007 - 11:02 AM on March 31st, 2007
27.
Yeah…becasue Afganistan is such a world oil prodcers.
AlterNet. LMFAO
Now, let’s quote The National Enquirer.
March 31, 2007 - 11:30 PM on March 31st, 2007
If we were going to fight a war for oil, it would make far more sense to declare it on liberal ecofreaks in order to be able to resume exploration, and development in the Gulf, the Pacific and Atlantic coastal shelves and ANWAR. It just makes sense. They’re closer. They generally lack any form of military experience or training. They’re incredibly gullible (see posts from certain moonbats on this thread) so sucking them into an ambush would be horribly easy, and the best part of all is that they’re also generally anti gun so they’d be either VERY lightly or totally unarmed. One of the first principles of war is to choose your battles. If getting oil were the objective, I’d go after the libs. It would just be so much easier.
As for battle plans being in place for attacks against Afghnaistan and Iraq being prepared before 9/11, I just have to say “Well, DUH!”. Hell, we wargame thousands of possible scenarios virtually at all times. We have hundreds, if not thousands, of battle plans under development at any time. That’s how we are actually able to bring together the troops and logistics efficiently enough to actually be able to fight a war. The Japanese even wargamed various scenarios of the battle of Midway. They made two big mistakes in their planning. The Admirals overruled a judge who declared at least two key Japanese carriers destroyed during the battle, the second was that they didn’t know that the US had cracked the Japanese naval code and was waiting for them. Anyone thinking that it is anything other than Standard Operating Procedure to have plans in development for any possible contingency needs to stay VERY far away from any form of governmental power. They simply have no clue about what strategic planning means.
April 1, 2007 - 09:11 AM on April 1st, 2007
FAO is exactly right with regard to battle plans and contingency plans being drawn up for almost any scenario imaginable. This is entirely normal, good planning and management. There are no doubt many plans to deal with Iramn at various levels. Does it mean we are going to imminently attack Iran? This is the kind of thing that some writer, reporter, or moonbat gets wind of and tries to turn into some big expose, which is then gobbled up by those who have no understanding of the fact that these plans are always around. This is how you get Crockumentaries like Farenheit 9/11; dishonest exploiters like Michael Moore taking disconnected trivial facts and weaving them together into a fabricated scenario.
The ignorant folks love it, though. And they’ll give up their $10 to reward the purveyors to see it.
April 2, 2007 - 04:07 PM on April 2nd, 2007
Schoolgirls Massacred, Shiites Executed in Iraq
By Ali Yussef
Agence France-Presse
Monday 02 April 2007
Baghdad - A truck bomber carrying food supplies killed eight Iraqi schoolgirls and a baby in the northern oil city of Kirkuk on Monday as suspected Sunni militants executed 21 Shiite workers north of Baghdad.
The attacks were the latest evidence of stepped up sectarian and insurgent killings outside Baghdad where a massive US-Iraqi security crackdown, now into a seventh week, has seen American officials boast about signs of progress.
The US Defence Department said on Monday that the 30,000 additional troops sent as reinforcements to Iraq would remain in the country until at least the end of August.
Monday’s bomber blew up his truck full of flour and explosives near a girls’ primary school and police station in a Kurdish area of Kirkuk, killing 12 people, including the nine children, a hospital doctor said.
Another 178 people were wounded in the blast that took the facade off the police station and smashed through cement blocks while US troops were visiting, district police commander Major General Torhan Yussef Abdul Rahman said.
This is entirely normal, good planning and management. Says Robert
~Please use link buttons and don’t post entire articles. We are all capable of following the links. Peejz~
April 2, 2007 - 04:18 PM on April 2nd, 2007
Mission Accomplished According to Bush
~use links~ P.S. Were you aware that McCain is a US Senator and as such has security, especially in a war zone. I am not sure what you think the story is~ Peejz