German Shari’a Watch
The cultural jihad proceeds in Germany; banks are abandoning the European tradition of giving “piggy banks” to children, and in a disturbing echo of events here in the US, Muslim cabdrivers are refusing service to passengers based on shari’a law: Islam is Taking a Grip on Europe.
And right behind the cultural jihadis: Islamic militants warn Austria, Germany.
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March 12, 2007 - 03:01 AM on March 12th, 2007
This is interesting, because I (as a German) didn’t hear about Mr.Ulfkotte (the source of the first article) before.
German Wikipedia write about him (I try to translate as good as I can):
“Ulfkotte wrote several books on secret services and muslim fundamentalism, of which the content is partly skeptical. Reviewer criticize him to generate conspiracy theories, that are based upon faulty investigation.
In March 2004 the office and home of the author were searched by Frankfurts Public Prosecutor’s Department. The suspicion of bribing policemen and assistance to treason was dropped in summer 2005.
Frankfurts Public Prosecutor’s Department temporarilly suspected the author of solicitation to treason. In October 2006 all remaining trials were discontinued.“
March 12, 2007 - 06:43 AM on March 12th, 2007
In other words, if you try to alert the German “volk” to their government bending over with the lederhosen around their ankles for the Muslims, you will be harassed by the Prosecutor’s office.
March 12, 2007 - 07:04 AM on March 12th, 2007
Protestin’ Arkie Style – Almost Live!
Well, the march is over and the rally is beginning, but I thought I’d throw some pictures up before I head over there. All in all, it was refreshingly bland, except for the guy below who chose to show his…
March 12, 2007 - 07:48 AM on March 12th, 2007
Oh look its now the ISLAMIC EUROWEENIE UNION and before long all men will be forced to gown the beards long and all women be forced to wear burkas and all the different euopean flags will be replace with the cresent and star:eek:
March 12, 2007 - 07:55 AM on March 12th, 2007
2- Correct me if I am wrong… wasn’t it your people who complained about too soft & too liberal judges and not enough legal prosecution?
Besides, “the” Muslims are taxpayers as well and the third generation of them was born in Germany.
March 12, 2007 - 08:14 AM on March 12th, 2007
Matthias, have you been sized for your Burqa yet? Might be something to look into before the rush is on. Most of Central Europe is close to being lost to the Islamic conquerors.
March 12, 2007 - 08:20 AM on March 12th, 2007
Hi Robert. Maybe when Central Europe is finally taken over by muslims the lefties in the U.S. will wake up. Ya’ think?
March 12, 2007 - 08:23 AM on March 12th, 2007
5- Robert, if I had the choice between being conquerred of peaceful muslims and warmongering nimrods from Texas, I am afraid that I can’t give you immediately an answer…
March 12, 2007 - 08:25 AM on March 12th, 2007
4, so, in Germany, the Prosecutors are the Judges?
Basicly, Mattias, you know nothing of the US Legal system if you think Prosecutors have free reign to go after people for unpopular opinions. We, the people, have the freedom to exercise free speech and that is why we have the 1st amendment to our Constitution.
Secondly, Judges are not prosecutors. If they try to become prosecutors or defense lawyers, they get removed. The problem is when our judges try to become the legislators. They don’t have that power and should be immediately romoved when they try.
March 12, 2007 - 08:29 AM on March 12th, 2007
Am I the only one finding it hypocritical to on one hand claim “that you want to bring freedom & democracy” to muslims in the world and on the other hand having the suspicion that they are inferior and evil and want to conquer the world…
What/how are they supposed to be in the future? Do they have to convert immediately or are they allowed to keep their religion as long as they keep their mouth shut and deliver oil in time and at a reasonable price?
March 12, 2007 - 08:31 AM on March 12th, 2007
Mattias,
We have ample proof that they are not peaceful, and that they demand non-Muslims convert or die.
Also, when Muslims move in, the demand the local laws be scrapped and Shari’a be implemented. How is that democratic?
March 12, 2007 - 08:34 AM on March 12th, 2007
5-So it can by peace loving to conquer a country?
March 12, 2007 - 08:35 AM on March 12th, 2007
8- “Secondly, Judges are not prosecutors. If they try to become prosecutors or defense lawyers, they get removed. The problem is when our judges try to become the legislators. They don’t have that power and should be immediately romoved when they try.”
Wow, that’s a good one! But in Guantanamo, some army officers and secret service agents are allowed to play the role of all legal institutions at once…
..and ally I didn’t say that judges are prosecutors (or vice-versa)…
March 12, 2007 - 08:49 AM on March 12th, 2007
Matthias- Gitmo is run by the military courts, not the civilian courts!
March 12, 2007 - 08:49 AM on March 12th, 2007
12, Mattias, you have NO idea on what you are pontificating about, conscripted private Roggenbuck. All you know is crap you Google and agree with. We have a saying for that, “The Blind leading the Blind”.
March 12, 2007 - 08:52 AM on March 12th, 2007
10&11- I think the muslims that this nice article above refers to are the muslim immegrants in Europe- not the islamist terrorists…
But I guess in your view in Europe we have longbearded little Osamas standing at each corner stabbing down white people wherever they spot them.
“So it can by peace loving to conquer a country?”
That’s what I keep asking myself ever since you started “liberating” Iraq…
March 12, 2007 - 08:55 AM on March 12th, 2007
13- Does that circumstance disable human rights or legal trial methodology? Or justify to detain people without any trial for 5 years?
March 12, 2007 - 08:57 AM on March 12th, 2007
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March 12, 2007 - 08:59 AM on March 12th, 2007
Matthias I urge you to select and procure your Burqa-based wardrobe now, before they are mandated and prices go up and the selection is limited!!!
Do they have to convert immediately or are they allowed to keep their religion as long as they keep their mouth shut and deliver oil in time and at a reasonable price?
Who ever said anything about them converting? Are you off your meds, again?
March 12, 2007 - 09:00 AM on March 12th, 2007
Mattias,
You are so stupid that you don’t realize you come here daily to demonstrate your total stupidity.
There people were on a battlefield, not as part of an legally constituted Army representing a country, but terrors without country loyalties. They are NOT POWs, but mad dogs taken out of battle. They are lucky they just weren’t killed outright. Stupid people like you think they should be treated like your average mugger. Stupid people like you can say that because you aren’t the persons being killed by these terrorists.
March 12, 2007 - 09:02 AM on March 12th, 2007
Good morning BobBon! I haven’t been sround much the last couple of days because the weather out here has been so fantastic I didn’t even want to turn the computer on. Yep, that Global Warming is just killing us…:smile:
I got some ATVs for my sons and they are having a blast with them. I’m sure their young carbon footprints are now becoming larger. Maybe I should send a donation to the Church of Global Warming to offset that. After all, that’s what it’s really all about.
March 12, 2007 - 09:02 AM on March 12th, 2007
17, Robert, Mattias just thinks everyone should convert and be a Muslim. To deny the Muslim demand to convert is incomprehensible to Mattias. But then again, it is inconprehensible to Mattias that anyone should be allowed to convert to Christianity in anywhere but in infidel territory.
March 12, 2007 - 09:03 AM on March 12th, 2007
16- Human rights are a part of their daily life and the trials are legal. It is a detainment prison..what part of it don’t you get?
March 12, 2007 - 09:04 AM on March 12th, 2007
19, Robert, just burn Ethanol in them and send your money to Iowa.
March 12, 2007 - 09:53 AM on March 12th, 2007
Ever notice that a few shots to Mattias’ superiority complex, pointing out his shortsightedness, and his hypocrisies, that he runs away until the next day?
March 12, 2007 - 10:41 AM on March 12th, 2007
He’s like one of those inflatable punching dolls, the ones with the weighted base. You knock them down and they come right back up.
At least he’s a sport about it. He doesn’t get angry and profane like Another Koolaid Drinker.
March 12, 2007 - 10:59 AM on March 12th, 2007
23- You miss me, don’t you Sweetheart?
But serious, I don’t wanna spend the whole evening with you… It’s nothing personal… I bet you have all the naugthy bits in sufficient amount where they are supposed to be… it’s just a time thing…
21- Peejz,
if everything is fine about Guantanamo it raises the question, why it has to be outside the US jurisdiction borders…
March 12, 2007 - 11:09 AM on March 12th, 2007
25, pull up your burqa, Mattias, or I will inform your Imam that you are gay and that you don’t believe in Jihad.
March 12, 2007 - 11:45 AM on March 12th, 2007
Sounds like alot of fun Robert.:lol:
March 12, 2007 - 11:59 AM on March 12th, 2007
25- Because that is where the closest base to US soil i, it has been in operation for years, and there is no need to bring them to this country…it’s like cockroachs..they follow each other…the chances of someone trying to get to GITMO are far less than someone coming upon our shores and doing some serious damage…it really isn’t that hard to figure out!
March 12, 2007 - 12:53 PM on March 12th, 2007
28- How couldn’t I have seen that myself… with all those terrorists streaming towards Cuba and knocking on Camp Delta’s entrance door to have some cheap vacation under the wonderful sun of the carribean…
March 12, 2007 - 12:56 PM on March 12th, 2007
29, because, as I said before, you are stupid conscripted private Roggenbuck. You are too busy pontificating without mental support to be even credited with thinking.
March 12, 2007 - 01:49 PM on March 12th, 2007
Am I the only one finding it hypocritical to on one hand claim “that you want to bring freedom & democracy”to muslims in the world and on the other hand having the suspicion that they are inferior and evil and want to conquer the world:
Who says it is a suspicion? We know they are inferior and evil and want to conquer the world: There’s no suspicion at all. If the West didn’t show them how to extract oil, all of them would still be living in tents in the desert. The only civilized Arabs are those who grew up in the West and renounced Islam.
March 12, 2007 - 01:59 PM on March 12th, 2007
bernie, being a smartass is not advancing your muslim propaganda.
March 12, 2007 - 02:23 PM on March 12th, 2007
PCD, I don’t understand, you mean anti-Muslim propaganda, no?
Or did you think I was joking?
March 12, 2007 - 02:43 PM on March 12th, 2007
Bernie – I don’t think PCD actually reads the posts. he is much to busy generating his next great personal attack.
he really HATES the “Left.” Although, I’m not sure he understands what actually constitutes being a leftist. I am sure he has already deemed you as part of the “Leftist agenda.” Afterall, once he has made up her mind, she can start with the attacks -even if they aren’t relevant what-so-ever.
Just let him play.
March 12, 2007 - 04:11 PM on March 12th, 2007
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March 12, 2007 - 07:35 PM on March 12th, 2007
PCD- bernie was being serious
March 12, 2007 - 08:22 PM on March 12th, 2007
She really HATES the “Left.”
What’s wrong with that? There is a political civil war going on in this country. The “Left” has generally, led by the Democrites, chosen to side with the enemy during wartime.
What’s not to hate about that?
March 12, 2007 - 09:10 PM on March 12th, 2007
Just to be clear:
I loathe, detest and despise leftists, defeatists, or anyone who wants to destroy western civilization and our country in particular. I know that not all Muslims are out to kill me, but I do not trust their religion and so, cannot be guaranteed that they’ll defend us against Islamic terror: I would therefor prefer if we would not allow any Muslims to come into America or Europe.
Plain enough?
March 12, 2007 - 09:17 PM on March 12th, 2007
37- I got it the first time, and I am at the point where I Would prefer that we limited their entry into our country! The fact that they will not speak out and denounce the actions of the radicals, speaks volumes with what else they will put up with!
Thanks for posting and linking bernie. I love your blog!:smile:
March 12, 2007 - 10:37 PM on March 12th, 2007
Hm, I missed the start of the discussion and now that I’ve read all of the responses, I see it quickly devolved into a shit-storm very quickly. Too bad, because there were a few (very few, but still) good discussion points made. I’ll pass on tossing my thoughts on the article into the ring.
March 13, 2007 - 04:00 AM on March 13th, 2007
37- “I would therefor prefer if we would not allow any Muslims to come into America or Europe.”
Bernie, regarding the actions of the US in Iraq during the last 5 years, I guess there are one or two muslims in the gulf region who might say the same thing about christians coming to their territory..
Besides, most of the muslims in Europe came to our countries either because we either occupied their countries as colonies (example: France & UK) or as we asked them to help us rebuild our country after WWII (Germany)… none of them came here on their own- we asked them to come!
March 13, 2007 - 04:04 AM on March 13th, 2007
39- “I see it quickly devolved into a shit-storm very quickly.”
If you excuse the minor problem of PCD now already insulting her own people, everything is in good shape..
March 13, 2007 - 06:28 AM on March 13th, 2007
Mattias, You are a hypocrite, stupid, and an *ss. You see nothing wrong with forced conversion to Islam, but convert to Christianity or Judiasm voluntarily on “Muslim soil”, you have a shit fit.
Not all Muslims are peaceful. In fact, when they have a government, they do not recognize any rights of anyone.
March 13, 2007 - 07:24 AM on March 13th, 2007
37, Bernie, when I read your first paragraph, it sounded just like the crap Mattias puts out to try to hang a guilt trip on us. In misreading your intentions, I apologize.
As to Mattias and ryan, you children need to be spanked. Mattias didn’t get enough negative attention when he was conscripted. I fear the German army isn’t what it once was if ever as bad as it is now. It must be a total wuss force.
Mattias himself makes a strong refutation to Rangel’s draft plans. Who wants schumcks and malcontents like Mattias in your defense forces. You might as well surrender and pray to allah for mercy.
March 13, 2007 - 07:37 AM on March 13th, 2007
40-”none of them came here on their own- we asked them to come!”
But if I have a party and invite people to come, I do not expect them to burn my house down. When I see an unruly guest abusing my courtesy by attacking me and my family, killing my other guests, and demanding that I stop serving pork ever again, I ask them politely to leave and never come back including any of their relatives. If they don’t leave politely then obviously, eventually, force will have to be used.
You may object that his wife, children, other relatives and friends, did nothing wrong so why should they also leave. Well, I believe that is uually the custom when you evict an unruly guest, it is unwise not to pack off all who came with him. There is the danger that if you leave a straggler behind they may attempt to do damage in sympathy of your departed guest.
I doubt you would be so sympathetic if someone started lighting your couch on fire with the excuse, “But you invited me!”
March 13, 2007 - 08:12 AM on March 13th, 2007
44-Bernie,
I don’t know how things go in the US “attacks-by-muslims”-wise, but in Germany (and probably other European countries) far (at least 10-1000 times) more muslims are injured by rightwing xenophobic assholes than vice-versa…
Sadly the concept of setting fire to other people’s houses has a shameful tradition in Germany in the 90’s.. just lookup your google for racist attacks in Solingen, Hoyerswerda and Rostock Lichtenhagen!!
March 13, 2007 - 08:20 AM on March 13th, 2007
45, you forgot Krystalnacht. Or does burning out Jews mean the same to you and community beautification?
March 13, 2007 - 08:25 AM on March 13th, 2007
45- yet none of those 10,000 made the news!
March 13, 2007 - 08:33 AM on March 13th, 2007
Solingen- Overt racism has been widespread in former communist eastern Germany where unification brought mass unemployment, and where people lived for decades without meeting foreigners, apart from Soviet soldiers and eastern European tourists.
And all examples seem to be the same. What I got out of it was that these people were adjusting to a wall being taken down, their way of life changed, no jobs and no food, and they didn’t have dark skinned people amongst them when th wall was up…isn’ that how you justified the Germans going along with Hitler?
March 13, 2007 - 09:21 AM on March 13th, 2007
46- I only referred to offenses against muslims in the recent history (my own lifetime)..
47- If you look up the statistics of the BKA (the German FBI) or links like this ( http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,457997,00.html ) you will see what I mean.
The translation of the header is:
“Germany is about to reach a sad record at rightist extremist crimes: Until end of November 2006 the Police recorded federation wide more than 11,000 offenses. This has been the highest value for the last five years.”
48- Nothing “justifies” going along with Hitler… It happened and I can’t change it, but try to learn for the future.
How do you justify electing a government that brings civil war to another country?
March 13, 2007 - 09:31 AM on March 13th, 2007
49, Mattias, why are you perfectly happy when Muslims commit mass murder and genocide?
You care to criticize Iran about sending commandoes disguised as pilgims on the Hajj to Mecca to wrest Mecca away from the Sunni Saudis?
As usual, Mattias, you love to criticize when you THINK you aren’t being a hypocrite, but that just makes you a maximum hypocrite because you are as shallow as a saucer.
From Peejz:
Abuse plagues Muslim women in Germany
German Leader Warns Against Bowing to Fear of Muslim Violence
German lawmaker blames Islam for religious violenceÂ
Pope’s Remarks on Islam, Violence Spur Anger
German judge okays Islamic call to violence
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March 13, 2007 - 09:47 AM on March 13th, 2007
PCD- I couldn’t do a post with all links so I added my post to your #50
March 13, 2007 - 09:54 AM on March 13th, 2007
51, that’s ok.
Mattias had better recognize that muslims dish out more death and dieruption world wide than to non-muslims.
March 13, 2007 - 12:49 PM on March 13th, 2007
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March 13, 2007 - 01:43 PM on March 13th, 2007
50- “Mattias, why are you perfectly happy when Muslims commit mass murder and genocide?”
I am not happy with anybody committing mass murder/genocide, but if I compare the body count in this area between muslim terrorists and your “noble” coalition it’s probably something around 5,000 vs 50,000 civilian victims… and just guess who gained the highscore!!
March 13, 2007 - 01:55 PM on March 13th, 2007
51, wrong-o! Saddam killed hundreds of thousands. They are still digging up the mass graves in Iraq. That is just Iraq. But I forgot, you don’t count Jews killed do you.
You don’t count the victims of AlQaeda do you?
YOu F’ing hypocrite.
March 13, 2007 - 06:01 PM on March 13th, 2007
54- “51, wrong-o! Saddam killed hundreds of thousands. They are still digging up the mass graves in Iraq. That is just Iraq. But I forgot, you don’t count Jews killed do you.
You don’t count the victims of AlQaeda do you?
YOu F’ing hypocrite.”
PCD, you are slowly running out of control…
After you attacked Bernie in this thread, you now start insulting Peejz. Did you ever consider consulting a specialist?
March 13, 2007 - 07:54 PM on March 13th, 2007
49 – I am afraid you are wrong – the article reports attacks against Jews and Jewish property. Nice try, but even in the US, even after 9/11 there are more than 5 times as many hate crimes against Jews as against Muslims despite the fact that there are 6 million of each in America.
All the hate crimes by the right are not against Muslims but in fact are in the majority against Jews, just the same in France. So stop whining about the Muslims being attacked. Given the brutality of their rapes against white European women and their arrogant demands for their host countries to submit to their ways and culture, I’m rather surprised that the Europeans don’t actual attack more Muslims. In fact, they should be ashamed they don’t attack more Muslims. And before you bring up that Germany once attacked Jews for no reason, yes that was bad because it was for NO reason. Attacking Muslims on the other hand certainly is not without provocation.
The Jews never posed any danger to Germany in 1933. So attacks against them were unjustified. You certainly cannot be trying to tell me that Muslims pose no danger in Europe and this country today?
But as much as I sympathize with anyone who attacks a Muslim who advocates turning their host country into an Islamic nation, I would prefer if they simply deported every last single one of them. But if they don’t leave willingly, don’t expect any sympathy from me.
March 14, 2007 - 03:00 AM on March 14th, 2007
56- “I am afraid you are wrong – the article reports attacks against Jews and Jewish property.”
No, I am not. The article also refers to anti-semite incidents as violent offenses. But amongst those 657 violent offenses (don’t know if this is the right term- I mean offenses in which persons were directly attacked) the fewest will have been offenses against jewish citizens- simply because it is much easier for neo-nazis to identify a southern foreigner than a middle european jewish citizen (of which we don’t much many here anyway).
And the article also refers to it:
“Im Januar 2006 quälten Rassisten in Pömmelte einen zwölfjährigen, dunkelhäutigen Jungen.” As your German appears to be similar good as mine, I guess I won’t have to translate it…
Besides, why is it that US conservatives always accuse everybody of anti-semitism while openly showing their “anti-muslimism”?
March 14, 2007 - 07:43 AM on March 14th, 2007
Mattias, you are quite the Schwein-hundt. You knew I was addressing you and not Peejz. You also could not refute me, and therefore resorted to obfuscation. The points I made are now considered won. Deal with it.
March 14, 2007 - 09:26 AM on March 14th, 2007
PCD – I bet you think Christianity was the best thing to happen to the American Indians as well? -I bet you think they were thrilled to convert, after the Christians just asked them nicely.
Point is – Religion is a killer my friends. They’ve all had there time to shine.
March 14, 2007 - 09:50 AM on March 14th, 2007
58- PCD-Darling,
if I said you were absolutely right with every statement, fart or other gift to the world from your side… that you were the queen of the hill, the universe and its surroundings… and if I said loud and clearly for everone to hear that you probably have the most wonderful firm tits that a dedicated girl like you is supposed to have…
If I did all this with a spoon of whipped cream on top of it: Would there be a chance for me to be spared by your proofs of affection?
March 14, 2007 - 09:51 AM on March 14th, 2007
ryan, most atheists don’t have any answers, but deny that others do have the answers. Homosexuality is a truly dead end. You have noting to offer in your philosophies except void and misery.
March 14, 2007 - 10:21 AM on March 14th, 2007
Religion is not a killer Ryan, man is!
March 14, 2007 - 10:54 AM on March 14th, 2007
60,I just noticed this. It may explain why Mattias is such a blind jerk.
Earlier this month, a German teen-ager was forcibly taken from her parents and imprisoned in a psychiatric ward. Her crime? She is being home-schooled. . . . Home-schooling has been illegal in Germany since Adolf Hitler outlawed it in 1938 and ordered all children to be sent to state schools . . . Home-schooling families are prosecuted without mercy.
“…All German political parties, including the Christian Democrats of Chancellor Angela Merkel, are opposed to home-schooling. They say that ‘the obligation to attend school is a civil obligation, that cannot be tampered with.’ . . . Six decades after Hitler, German politicians and church leaders still do not understand true freedom: that raising children is a prerogative of their fathers and mothers and not of the state, which is never a benevolent parent and often an enemy.
“…In Germany, schools have become vehicles of indoctrination, where children are brought up to unquestioningly accept the authority of the state in all areas of life.”
- Paul Belien, editor of the Brussels Journal
March 14, 2007 - 11:22 AM on March 14th, 2007
62. Religion is not a killer Ryan, man is!
Oh thats right, and “guns don’t kill people, people kill people right?”
I would argue that the gun certainly wouldn’t help the situation, nor would religion.
61. Actually, most Atheists DO have answers, both scientific and mathematical. That is what irritates the Religious so. The religious do not have any other the “answers” because there belief is in a faith, not the truth.
Ever wonder why practicing mathematics was once consider damnable and illegal in Rome. That St. Augestine warned “Any good Christian to beware of mathematics.” That is because it will ultimately lead to proving them wrong, and thus, yanking their authority.
Hope and pray all you want. I’d prefer to actually get things done.
March 14, 2007 - 11:27 AM on March 14th, 2007
64, like what? Going to Hell?
Atheism is like Global Warming, a religion delcared true via junk science and concensus of its adherants.
March 14, 2007 - 11:28 AM on March 14th, 2007
Homosexuality is a truly dead end
I suppose if everyone on this Earth decided to be queer, and thus, stopped procreating -we’d be in trouble as a race. Thankfully, I don’t see this actually happening.
PCD – I also suppose you are against gay marriage, as it would somehow ruin the “sanctity” of marriage. Got news for ya, this has been ruined for many, many years.
I remember a quote from the “all knowing” Bill O’Reilly. He said “what happens if we allow gay marriage, whats next? What are we to say if someone wants to marry a duck?” Well Bill, as rediculous as your statement sounds, what if we do allow someone to marry a duck? How could that possibly have any impact on Bills (or anyones) life?
March 14, 2007 - 11:32 AM on March 14th, 2007
Atheism is like Global Warming, a religion delcared true via junk science and concensus of its adherants.
This is where you are completely wrong PCD. Its actually the other way around. Atheism is a belief of facts, reality. Religion is a belief in faith (or hope).
By the way – Your kind created Hell. Don’t expect others to by into this rediculous notion.
“The almighty, all loving God will send you straight to Hell, to burn eternally, if you question his everlasting love for you.” Am I really the only one who thinks this is incredibly absurd?
March 14, 2007 - 11:35 AM on March 14th, 2007
66. Just coming back after a brief hiatis. Ryan you are too funny. What would happen if we allowed someone to marry a duck, their sibling, their parent, or anyone or thing they wanted. How would it impact our lives? Well, it certainly would give the aliens in outer space some amusing stories to tell don’t ya’ think?
March 14, 2007 - 11:39 AM on March 14th, 2007
Ryan, like all atheists, you thank and act like you are a god yourself. You think you have control over facts, natural laws, and the afterlife (or lack of it). I laugh at you who think you are going to tell God where to stick it and what you are going to do when you die.
It is more laughable that you have to impose your ideas upon the religious. That action belies each and every argument you make.
Why don’t you regale us with the cause of the “Big Bang”?
March 14, 2007 - 01:19 PM on March 14th, 2007
Hey folks,
what are you talking about… I thought this thread was on Muslims & Germany?!? Now we’ve come to homosexual atheism as the reason for global warming- that’s quite a jumps!!
63- http://www.dumblaws.com/index.php
…well organized with dumb laws for each (US) state…
And actually: How does it come that when I refer to your tits being wonderful & firm you call me a blind jerk…?
March 14, 2007 - 02:05 PM on March 14th, 2007
It is more laughable that you have to impose your ideas upon the religious. That action belies each and every argument you make.
Not impose my dear PCD, thats your job. I simply suggest what I would think would be the obvious.
As far as me thinking I am God, if that means I have control over what happens in my life, than I agree. I like to take responsibility for my actions, not blame it on God, or wait for him to fullfill my every wish. I go out and to it myself. Guess thats what sets us apart.
To me Christianity preaches look to god for answers. I preach, find them yourself, lazy.
March 14, 2007 - 02:11 PM on March 14th, 2007
Well, it certainly would give the aliens in outer space some amusing stories to tell don’t ya’ think?
You don’t think they have enough to laugh about as it is?
Face it folks, religion only serves to seperate us (as humans) further.
Doesn’t anyone find it ironic that from the dawn of man we have been worshipping “God” whatever he/she/it might currently be.
Do you think, just maybe, that man invented God due to his fear of death? It does provide an otherwise hopeless situation, with well, hope.
-No couldn’t be. One of these Gods is definetley the right one, and to bad for all those who picked the wrong one. That is just silly you guys, come on.
You mean to tell me that Christians actually believe the creater of this universe devised a LOTTERY to decide who come into heaven, and who doesn’t?
You win this lottery based on where you were born geographically, and whether or not you have even been introduced to Christianity.
If this is really your belief of God, count me out.
March 14, 2007 - 02:11 PM on March 14th, 2007
70. Sorry Matthias, I tend to birdwalk.
March 14, 2007 - 02:28 PM on March 14th, 2007
PCD – I suppose back in the day you would be the first to have me hung for excersising my free will (you know what God graciously provided each of us with) and thinking for myself. Thats really sad PCD. Really sad.
March 14, 2007 - 02:33 PM on March 14th, 2007
63. Nice link. I had a laugh.
I think PCD is a man, who may be self conscious about his boobs. Although, I was convinced by his wording that he was female. My mistake.
I found this out when Peejz editted my post for me. Thanks Peejz, now I am scarred to type anything on here. I may look back to see that my posts were turned to Nazi propaganda w/o my knowledge or consent.
March 14, 2007 - 03:35 PM on March 14th, 2007
75- I’m not sure…
I think earlier on PCD mentioned the she is a she, but I can be wrong.
However (so much politically incorrectness I allow myself), her touchy and irrational temper has quite a lack testosterone-based selfcontrol… only girls can be that bitchy. That can not be excused by her radical conservative attitude alone!
March 14, 2007 - 05:07 PM on March 14th, 2007
75,
On-line, the owner of the website is God. There is no Democracy. you take the same chance anywhere.
76.
How sexist.
March 14, 2007 - 05:49 PM on March 14th, 2007
75-I may look back to see that my posts were turned to Nazi propaganda w/o my knowledge or consent. I don’t need to consult you, nor do I need your consent on anything Ryan.
March 14, 2007 - 05:52 PM on March 14th, 2007
67- Atheism is a belief of facts, reality. Religion is a belief in faith (or hope).
Wrong!
Atheism is the disbelief[1] in the existence of any deities.[2] It is contrasted with theism, the belief in a God or gods. Atheism is commonly defined as the positive belief that deities do not exist, or as the deliberate rejection of theism.[3][4][5] However, others”including most atheistic philosophers and groups”define atheism as the simple absence of belief in deities[6][7][8] (cf. nontheism), thereby designating many agnostics, and people who have never heard of gods, such as newborn children, as atheists as well.[9][10] In recent years, some atheists have adopted the terms strong and weak atheism to clarify whether they consider their stance one of positive belief (strong atheism) or the mere absence of belief (weak atheism).[11][12][13]
Many self-described atheists share common skeptical concerns regarding supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities. Other rationales for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Although atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism, rationalism, and naturalism, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors that all atheists adhere to.[14][15][16]
March 15, 2007 - 10:37 AM on March 15th, 2007
79. You are correct Peejz. We don’t believe in the tooth fairy. We believe and rely on science/reason.
March 15, 2007 - 10:54 AM on March 15th, 2007
80, If you believe in man-made GW, ryan, you do not rely on reason and science, but hysteria and political consensus.
March 15, 2007 - 11:41 AM on March 15th, 2007
Personally, I have no qualms about believing in something on the basis of faith. One can do so logically, althoughnot empirically. That does not rule out reason, but does rule out scientific method.
I refuse to frame my life around science though. There is much more to life, and since it is my viewpoint that there are concepts in the universe that to us as a race is incomprehensible I do not find that to be an unreasonable.
March 15, 2007 - 03:41 PM on March 15th, 2007
One can do so logically, althoughnot empirically. That does not rule out reason, but does rule out scientific method.
I wonder how someones faith could rule out science?
Walking on the Moon use to be incomprehensible. Exploring deep space use to be incomprehensible. Thanks to science and mathematics, we can now accomplish these once incomprehensible tasks.
I guess we could’ve just waited around for God to send us a spaceship, and some satelites. Although, something tells me we’d still be waiting.
March 15, 2007 - 03:45 PM on March 15th, 2007
I don’t need to consult you, nor do I need your consent on anything Ryan.
You’re right Peejz, you’re a big girl. Although a quick “I’ve altered your post” would be common courtesy, and appreciated. Especially if you are going to alter in way that makes the initial posting appear incompetent.
You’re so silly Peejz.
March 15, 2007 - 04:03 PM on March 15th, 2007
I’ll alter the stupidity any way I see fit…I sincerly hope you don’t consider yourself superior to PCD in anyway, as your behavior is no better than his.
March 15, 2007 - 05:55 PM on March 15th, 2007
Thats what I find so entertaining Peejz. I do not consider myself superior to anyone, for any reason. There is no need to. That only welcomes a sense of arrogance -which by your last message, I can see you are quite so.
I will leave you to tend to your minions.
It has been interesting.
March 15, 2007 - 05:57 PM on March 15th, 2007
I sincerly hope you don’t consider yourself superior to PCD in anyway, as your behavior is no better than his
PCD – I sense by the above that Peejz is not impressed with your behavior. Perhaps you should seek her guidence.
March 15, 2007 - 07:27 PM on March 15th, 2007
“I wonder how someones faith could rule out science?”
I didn’t say that it did at all Ryan. I said that one can have a faithed based belief in something and do so logically even though one can not do so empirically, and thus it rules out scientific method.
“Walking on the Moon use to be incomprehensible. Exploring deep space use to be incomprehensible.”
Not at all. Once these examples you gave were discovered as where their nature, it was comprehsible. You are confusing “incomprehensible” with “unknown”.
March 15, 2007 - 07:36 PM on March 15th, 2007
“Thats what I find so entertaining Peejz. I do not consider myself superior to anyone, for any reason. There is no need to. That only welcomes a sense of arrogance -which by your last message, I can see you are quite so.”
With all due respect Ryan, that isn’t the impression you’ve given. A simple example is your next sentence:
“I will leave you to tend to your minions.”
I am not sure if this is indeed the case here, but many athiests have an inate irreverence for others religious beliefs. It seems some are incapable of disagreeing with folks without said cockiness, such as metaphoring God as “The Tooth Fairy”.
What this triggers is an automatic antogonism. many times it is not intended, although sometimes it is. But I have to ask: If that is one’s intention, then how does one expect to not be marginalized from the beginning? How can one expect to be taken as a legitimate convesationalist on the topic instead of said antagonist?
September 21, 2009 - 12:06 AM on September 21st, 2009
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