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March 13, 2007 - 09:39 AM on March 13th, 2007
How about a handy-dandy thread on General Peter Pace?
Gotta love them Repugs……..:roll:
March 13, 2007 - 09:45 AM on March 13th, 2007
Eban, gotta love Defeatocrat, perverted, socialists masquerading as liberals.
March 13, 2007 - 09:51 AM on March 13th, 2007
“General Pace’s comments are outrageous, insensitive and disrespectful to the 65,000 lesbian and gay troops now serving in our armed forces,”
If the policy is “don’t ask, don’t tell”, how do they know there are 65,000 gays that are serving?
March 13, 2007 - 10:02 AM on March 13th, 2007
This is Cinderella
or Shi Hyun Ahn as is her true name. The very fine looking Ms. Ahn is nicknamed ‘Cinderella’ on the LPGA tour. It comes from her triumph, while only age 18, at the LPGA’s 9 Bridges Classic back in 2003. Shi Hyun was LPGA Rookie of the Year in 2004.
March 13, 2007 - 10:59 AM on March 13th, 2007
How about stories that haven’t been reported but should?
How about cries for investigation of Chuck Shumer, Bill Clinton, George “Step-on-all-of-us”, James Carville, Hillary, etc. for the firings of all 93 US Attorneys in 1993 by Bill Clinton?
How about investigation of the media for cheerleading a non-story into a pseudo-scandal by Clintonistas that moved into network news management like Rick Kaplan?
March 13, 2007 - 11:07 AM on March 13th, 2007
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March 13, 2007 - 11:10 AM on March 13th, 2007
Here’s one of a few very good stories spotted by Viking Pundit, Do We Need a Gen. Pelosi?”
The shocking thing that makes this a story is that this is an editorial from the LATimes, toilet paper of SoCal.
March 13, 2007 - 11:13 AM on March 13th, 2007
“Remember when Cheney refused to sell his Haliburton stock when appointed VP? He also resisted placing it into a blind trust and if I remember correctly, continues to receive compensation from Haliburton. Also, the content of Cheney’s energy task force demonstrated that companies (Haliburton included) had direct input into the official federal energy plan, effectively allowing corporations to dictate US policy.” –BWJones
Know what’s even cooler :roll:? Halliburton is moving its corporate headquarters to Dubai!!! It’s like a new and improved Dubai Ports World fiasco, only this time, the US taxpayer dollars are taking a more direct route. So now, DUBAI gets a direct line into US policy via the vice president of the united states. Wheeeeeeeeeeeee……
Oh and have fun talking about those “defeatocrats” while the “neo-republi-cons” sell us down the river… Wave hi to China on the way down because we’re going to need to be *REALLY* friendly once everyone realizes that they’re propping up the US economy.
..Chuck..
March 13, 2007 - 11:21 AM on March 13th, 2007
Chuck, your socialists chased Halliburton out of the country. Remember Hillary saying she would confiscate Mibil’s profit if she could? Well, major corporations took note and are leaving. It is you, Defeatocrat socialists’ fault.
Oh, Chuck, you little totalitarian, I just love your anger at Halliburton escaping your clutches. You don’t believe in freedom and personal property rights for anyone but you, but so does a thief.
March 13, 2007 - 01:15 PM on March 13th, 2007
7 - PCD - Any chance you can address the facts?
* The vice president is a stock holder and financial beneficiary of a company that will be HQ’d in Dubai.
* Dubai is a key location for terrorist operatives.
* China (a socialist country) is propping up the US economy by fulfilling our bond obligations to pay for the war.
* Why Dubai? There are many other countries that act as tax havens that aren’t as controversial.
Or, you could resort to baseless personal attacks again. About 30 seconds of googling (since I’m not afraid to post here with my real name) would show you that I’m a very big supporter of individual rights. I just don’t want other countries dictating those rights.
..Chuck..
March 13, 2007 - 01:52 PM on March 13th, 2007
Chuck,
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard the same over and over again from Libertarians who were really druggies looking for legalization. They didn’t really give a rat’s rear anatomy about the rest of the country so long as they could toke anywhere, anytime.
Just because you get elected you don’t lose rights. Any stock Cheney held in pension funds and 401(k)s are fine as long as he doesn’t have the power of the voting rights of that stock. Democrats are hypocrites when it comes to personal property. Look at the Kennedys, Reid, Pelosi,… They don’t operate as they demand the GOP to. Nor do they pauperize themselves as they demand others to.
On the meetings with Cheney, he hsa the same rights to receive advise in private as Democrat like Gore do. There were meetings Clinton/Gore won’t tell you about, but you aren’t screaming about those.
You also aren’t screaming about the money Bubba Clinton is getting form the Oil emirates for “speeches”.
Again, Halliburton can go where it pleases. This was a free country, that is until the Socialist Democrats try to run it.
March 13, 2007 - 02:36 PM on March 13th, 2007
That’s the thing about freedom PCD. Freedom works both ways.
In post 7 you said, “You don’t believe in freedom and personal property rights for anyone but you, but so does a thief.”
Then in post 9 you said, “They didn’t really give a rat’s rear anatomy about the rest of the country so long as they could toke anywhere, anytime.”
You rail about libs taking your money and rights, then in the next breath justify taking rights away because you don’t like what people are doing with them.
That’s why freedom isn’t free, PCD, it’s hard to manage all of the bad things people can think to do with perfectly good rights. And no, I do not “toke up”. I have a family and a business to run.
..Chuck..
P.S. Please bring something new to the argument PCD. Trotting out the sins of the opposition proves nothing. How would you like it if I reminded you that Newt Gingrich was having an affair while impeaching “bubba” for lying about an affair?
P.P.S. PCD, by the way, let’s see a reference to where you get your assertion that “bubba” fired all 93 US Attorneys in 1993.
March 13, 2007 - 02:47 PM on March 13th, 2007
PCD - I found the reference to the Clinton US attorney firings. You are indeed accurate on that account.
FWIW, TPMuckraker has this to say about it:
“Second, Clinton’s firing of 93 U.S. Attorneys was far less insidious than what happened here. Clinton’s decision was generally applicable to all U.S. Attorneys — you were hired by a different administration and I will replace you without regard to the status of any of your ongoing investigations. No one was spared, and thus no single U.S. Attorneys conduct was at issue. Here, however, Bush has not created a rule of general applicability (i.e., at the beginning of his second term seeking resignation of all U.S. Attorneys). Rather, his administration has apparently systematically chosen to replace U.S. Attorneys who were not malleable enough with respect to particular investigations of individuals or entities allied with the Republican party. There is simply no comparison between these two acts.”
..Chuck..
March 13, 2007 - 03:29 PM on March 13th, 2007
Thanks for the link. I added your party to the linkfest.
March 13, 2007 - 04:21 PM on March 13th, 2007
Battle on Haifa Street, Baghdad, Iraq
American infantry and snipers from the U.S. Army’s 3rd Stryker Brigade team up with Iraqi soldiers from the 6th Iraqi Army Division during a firefight on Baghdad’s notorious Haifa Street, January 2007.
March 13, 2007 - 04:41 PM on March 13th, 2007
11- Chuck, the attorney’s serve at the Prwsidents discretion. Clintons actions prove that they are indeed political positions. (rightor wrong, it’s just the way it is). If GWB did call for their firing, who cares? It is within hiss power. Just as it was within Clinton’s power to fire all but 1!
As for the 8 that were fired..it was nothing personal, it’s just business.
March 13, 2007 - 04:47 PM on March 13th, 2007
6-He never refused to put anything into a blind trust, as he knew in accepting the VP nomination, that is how the law works.
Kerry Ad Falsely Accuses Cheney on Halliburton
I believe what you meant to say is that Dick refused to disclose the details of his “secret” energy task force meetings.
March 13, 2007 - 06:29 PM on March 13th, 2007
Angel’s LibAlert
Yup. No hate jamboree is complete without some wacademic, self-loather.
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March 13, 2007 - 07:28 PM on March 13th, 2007
Did you sign up for OTA then turn off track back pings?
March 13, 2007 - 07:49 PM on March 13th, 2007
Pace On ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’
By now, everyone has heard about this little controversy surrounding remarks by General Peter Pace on the issue of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ and gays in the military. Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told…
March 13, 2007 - 07:50 PM on March 13th, 2007
Proposal To Fire All Prosecutors? So What?
What’s the big deal that it was discussed? For that matter, what’s the big deal if it had been done? After all, such a mass firing isn’t unprecedented. The White House suggested two years ago that the Justice Department fire…
March 13, 2007 - 08:07 PM on March 13th, 2007
No! I didn’t Howard! Let me check my system.
March 13, 2007 - 11:38 PM on March 13th, 2007
I Sold Out My Principles In Hopes of Electing a Gu
Nails on a chalkboard, a CD that’s skipping and won’t stop, Cal Thomas writing a column on Christian political involvement. All go in the same category. Thomas, who is embarassed by Christians who still care about things like abortion or the idea tha…
March 14, 2007 - 06:26 AM on March 14th, 2007
Chudk,
You make my point without realizing it. Libs balieve their wants are rights. Libs don’t believe in the Constitutionally granted rights of others, especially businesses. Your confusion on rights is the same as liberals, just confirming you are a liberal.
I was right before, I’ll be right now, and I’ll be right in the future, Chuck. Get used to it.
March 14, 2007 - 09:03 AM on March 14th, 2007
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March 15, 2007 - 01:39 AM on March 15th, 2007
PCD - I *AM* a business owner. For the last 7 years I have been a majority partner in a Limited Liability Corporation in the state of Washington (go ahead and look it up, it’s all public information).
Get your facts straight before you accuse me of not respecting other’s constitutional rights. When was the last time *YOU* filed a K-1 partnership with your 1040? Ever had to pay your taxes with your credit card just so you can make payroll? I have. Do you know what health insurance really costs? I do. Ever stayed up all night because the buck stopped at you? I do all the time. Ever learn the hard way how to write a contract? Been there done that. I could go on and on.
Sie würden denken, dass deutsch zu sein, Sie pragmatisch machen würde. Stattdessen es gehen Sie gerade als böse ab. Ich wette, dass Sie eine interessante Person sind, um mit im echten Leben zu sprechen. Vielleicht können wir die Probleme über ein Shiner Bockbier eines Tages diskutieren.
..Chuck..
P.S. Does PCD stand for “Prairie du Chien”?
March 15, 2007 - 06:32 AM on March 15th, 2007
Chuck, you are wrong on all counts about me. And, no, I have nothing to do with the Praire of the Dog.
What do you do in WA? Keep “Pedo” Perez out of trouble in Wenatachee?
March 15, 2007 - 06:47 AM on March 15th, 2007
Chuck, Viking Pundit nails the Halliburton move by posting the following on his blog. “The Halliburton “tax dodge” - As Slate explains, the oil services company won’t save anything on U.S. taxes by re-locating to Dubai; all of the savings would be from a reduction in foreign taxes. Nevertheless, Patrick Leahy called Halliburton’s move “corporate greed at its worst.” Damn capitalists, providing thousands of jobs and paying millions in corporate taxes!”
I love shoving quotes from the left in their leftist blogs into the faces of leftist wonks.
March 15, 2007 - 11:04 AM on March 15th, 2007
PCD -
-1 TROLL
Do you fall for the rope-a-dope often?
It’s about influence. Halliburton has influence at the highest levels of the US government. Halliburton will be HQ’d in Dubai. Now Dubai (a state that is known to enable the 9/11 hijackers) *APPEARS* to have influence over a company who has influence within the US Government. Whether the influence is real, it’s anyone’s guess. The moves are in play though, and like a good chess game, we’ll never know what’s coming at us until it’s too late.
You’d think a programmer like you could reason logically. Apparently not…
..Chuck..
March 15, 2007 - 04:11 PM on March 15th, 2007
Chuck- isn’t that their business? The move is a good move…are you just ticked because Cheney was involved with them? Who cares if they move some people? They still are taxed as a US company.
March 15, 2007 - 08:57 PM on March 15th, 2007
Peejz - Of course it’s their business. I never argued that it wasn’t. I personally don’ give a rip how they’re taxed. They’re a corporation, get off their back and let ‘em make money. And no, I’m not ticked that Dick Cheney was involved with them either. The man had to work somewhere before he became veep. Do we expect a president to stop going to McDonald’s just because he worked there when he was 16? Of course not, that’s stupid. Besides, Dick Cheney has taken plausible steps to insulate himself from financial gain regardless of what happens to Halliburton.
You hit on it before, yes I’m ticked that Dick Cheney had secret meetings with oil company CEOs to develop US energy policy. Guess what, who cares that I’m ticked about it! Dick Cheney had every right to do that. He gets to pick and choose who he wants to listen to and who he won’t and he gets to decide who he tells about the meetings and who he doesn’t. That’s his freakin’ job. The man needs some privacy to make the sausage, I get that.
My simple point is that with Halliburton moving to Dubai, there are now too few degrees of separation between the highest levels of our government and Dubai, a state that enables terrorists. At some point, it’s not even about Dick Cheney anymore. Halliburton gets taxpayer dollars from the US government to do work for US troops. Halliburton will be based in a country that is known to enable terrorists that had a hand in launching us into Iraq in the first place. There are people in the Dubai government that do not like Americans very much. Yet it was that same government that enticed Halliburton to come there in the first place.
This is not Ford moving jobs to Mexico, this is a US defense contractor moving its headquarters to a state that supports terrorist!
..Chuck..
March 15, 2007 - 09:24 PM on March 15th, 2007
Chuck I didn’t mean their business as in none of our business, I mean their business is heavily involved in that region of the world/oil so therefore a smart move..just as Goldman Sachs moved for much the same reason.
I care that you are ticked, and that’s why I asked. Dubai has not been deemed(as in they are on an official list as do not do business with) a terrorist state..they have terrorists, as does many of our “friends” in the ME. Heck, France gave Saddam the skinny on the security council meetings, but for some reason, there are many in this country that care what the French think:wink:
Halliburton is moving people, not the entire operation. It makes sense to me that they would go there. It is probably one of the more civilized areas where companies can set up shop.
March 16, 2007 - 12:30 PM on March 16th, 2007
Peejz - I think you misunderstood.
I’m worried about the influence a Middle Eastern Islamic government has on a US defense contractor. Like I said before, this is not something trivial like Ford moving jobs to Mexico.
If I had it my way, companies acting as US Defense contractors could have offices in any place in the world and make fist fulls of dollars in the process, but their legal entity (aka “The Headquarters”) would have to be located in the US. Sorry, but in my book, if you’re being paid taxpayer dollars for US defense work, you have to be fully under US legal influence. Notice, I didn’t say anything about subcontracting. If a foreign based company wants a US defense department contract, it’d have to work under a legal US entity who is responsible for its actions.
Side Note: If I had it my way, defense contractors wouldn’t pay any taxes on monies earned from doing government work. The idea of rebating the government always seemed absurd to me. Same goes for US troops. They shouldn’t have to pay federal income taxes on money they get paid from the federal government. Keep their pay the same, make it all deductible and *BAM* they get an instant 20-30% pay raise.
..Chuck..
March 16, 2007 - 12:52 PM on March 16th, 2007
Corporations typically have mutliple headquarters world wide.
March 16, 2007 - 12:58 PM on March 16th, 2007
25, Chuck, Halliburton is not a Defense Contractor, but a provider of services. Name one weapon Halliburton manufactures and sells.
When Halliburton was providing services to US troops in Kosovo under Clinton, there wasn’t this stink.
Oh, Chuck, what about all those payments the Clintons receive from Dubqi???
March 16, 2007 - 01:30 PM on March 16th, 2007
Ted - Yes, you’re right about that. I’m considering that the US part should be responsible for US contracts. I’m not in charge though, so it’s not up to me.
PCD -
1) If you get contracts to do work for the defense department, you’re a defense contractor. It’s not a difficult concept. As of 2005 Halliburton was the #10 US defense contractor. They were ranked #16 in 2004.
2) Did Halliburton decide to move its headquarters to Serbia while providing services to US troops under Clinton? No, I don’t think so. Halliburton isn’t evil. They’re just making a tactical mistake and I’m making a stink about it.
3) By what twisted logic do you presume the Clintons have anything to do with a Middle Eastern Islamic government’s influence over a US defense contractor? If you want to exercise your obsession with the Clintons, that’s fine, but pick a relevant thread to do it on.
..Chuck..
March 16, 2007 - 01:48 PM on March 16th, 2007
28, 3) Uh, Get over your Halliburton snit and if you apply the same Logic to Bill and Hillary as you do Halliburton, then you would be screaming about Dubai buying a US Senator and candidate for President.
FYI, you don’t run this site, therefore keep your orders to yourself for just for your wage-slaves.
March 16, 2007 - 02:00 PM on March 16th, 2007
28,
But that doesn’t solve the problem- you have zero degrees of seperation.
The correct approach is legally- allow the governement an easy avenue for them to sue the bejeebus out of any corpoaration for breaking comtracts that involve classified information.
And regarding the Clinton’s- you could to a bit of research and would would reveals that Slick Willie was in poart responsible for the Dubia Port deals. He is also a memeber of the Carlyle group (of which I assume you know about).
March 16, 2007 - 02:04 PM on March 16th, 2007
PCD -
Ever hear me defend Bill and Hillary even once? Nope. When it comes time to make a stink about the Clintons taking payoffs from Dubai, I’ll be in line with you. Funny you should bring that up though. You basically made my point for me that Dubai isn’t a terribly savory place for US corporations (or politicians) to be getting in bed.
Wage slaves? That’s your killer insult?
..Chuck..
March 16, 2007 - 02:07 PM on March 16th, 2007
31, Chuck, I said using your logic. Do you understand that concept?
March 16, 2007 - 02:20 PM on March 16th, 2007
30 Ted - Agreed on all counts. Clearly you’re better at the details than I am. I just wanna make sure we have some short hairs to grab onto if they *DO* do something treasonous. As for the ports deal, Bush defended them, which really sickened me. I have no irrational loyalty to any politician. Clinton gets as much blame as Bush.
PCD - Perfectly, that’s why I thanked you for making my point for me. I am not screaming about Clinton because that won’t make Halliburton’s tactical error right somehow. Two rights don’t make a wrong and all of that blather… Or to make it clearer for you, it was wrong for the Clintons and it’s wrong for Halliburton.
..Chuck..
March 16, 2007 - 02:43 PM on March 16th, 2007
Chuck,
You make assumptions that I don’t. !. that Dubai is dirty money. 2. That Halliburton has no right to relocate. All this is as true of a person as a business.
My position is Halliburton is just relocating to friendlier shores. If the Democrats will grow up and stop using Halliburton as a Campbell Bloody Shirt, you wouldn’t have the move.
March 16, 2007 - 03:37 PM on March 16th, 2007
PCD,
I stated my facts earlier. It simply boils down to a US Defense contractor being potentially influenced by a middle eastern islamic government. If they want to move it’s their business, but I don’t have to like it.
..Chuck..
March 16, 2007 - 07:30 PM on March 16th, 2007
Chuck- The more I looked at that port deal, the more my opinion shifted. It’s in the archives…I was against it before I was for it:razz:
As for the ports….for all the screaming the elected Democrats did, wouldn’t you think that could have been part of the 100 hour strategy?
March 16, 2007 - 08:27 PM on March 16th, 2007
Considering that Dubai is an ally, and communist China is not, I’m a lot more concerned about the way that the Clinton’s sold so much of this country to the Chicoms.
April 17, 2007 - 03:15 AM on April 17th, 2007
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