These are British soldiers that were in Iraqi waters, kidnapped by Iranians…tell me what is wrong with this picture:
FIFTEEN British sailors and marines arrested by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards off the coast of Iraq may be charged with spying.
A website run by associates of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reported last night that the Britons would be put before a court and indicted.
Referring to them as “insurgents”, the site concluded: “If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. If that is proven, they can expect a very serious penalty since according to Iranian law, espionage is one of the most serious offences.”
The warning followed claims by Iranian officials that the British navy personnel had been taken to Tehran, the capital, to explain their “aggressive action” in entering Iranian waters. British officials insist the servicemen were in Iraqi waters when they were held. The penalty for espionage in Iran is death. However, similar accusations of spying were made when eight British servicemen were detained in the same area in 2004. They were paraded blindfolded on television but did not appear in court and were freed after three nights in detention.
Does this nut really think he can get away with this? He isn’t dealing with Jimmy Carter this time!
PCD why don’t you chill? All KEO did was question whether those Brits might have been in Iranian waters and you went off like a rocket! Out of that somehow KEO is al Al Qaeda supporter, a homosexual, a liberal, a Democrat, etc.
You can tell all that? Amazing!
The problem is the issue quickly degraded into a name-calling one-sided fist fight. Where is the debate?
Now the presumption can legitimately be that the Iranians are lying, because they have pulled this crap before (2004). And we know what kind of operation President Iminajihad is running. But let them make their case. Let the Brits make their case. Then we can all decide. Ok?
50, Who the hell are you sock puppet? If you looked closely, KEO refused to believe that the Brits were telling the truth and the Iranians lying. Drudge has a link up saying that the Iranians ordered the kidnapping as revenge, Will KEO acknowledge that is more than a possibility? NO
47,48,49, GFY, KEO! What is your history here? You pontificate that the Iranians are the injured party and you entertain no rebuttal. That is the truth as amply demonstrated by this thread. You brought out the attempts to distract from that point and you now are further trying to do so.
Also, you are the one with cronies, or are they sock puppets? Maybe Peejz will chime in with the report if you are separate visitors or the same person just changing names.
If you looked closely, KEO refused to believe that the Brits were telling the truth and the Iranians lying.
Actually PCD, if you look back, you will see that Online Therapist is right. I am only suggesting that we wait till the truth has made itself known, then make our decision. I will help you recall, by reposting my point:
Lets look at this as a third party (you should try sometimes).
Iran says Brits were in Iranian waters.
Brits say they were in international waters.
This is a he said, she said game at this point. One or the other could be lying. What I am saying is, before we jump to conclusions, lets find out what REALLY happened.
Now PCD, how is 51. make any sense?
Drudge has a link up saying that the Iranians ordered the kidnapping as revenge, Will KEO acknowledge that is more than a possibility? NO
YES PCD, THIS HAS BEEN MY POINT THE WHOLE TIME. WE DO NOT KNOW WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
My god. Stop attacking for one second, and LISTEN to an opposing opinion.
Also, you are the one with cronies, or are they sock puppets? Maybe Peejz will chime in with the report if you are separate visitors or the same person just changing names.
My guess is not, considering we are different people.
47,48,49, GFY, KEO! What is your history here?
Your history is what is under question PCD. If you look back at it, through archived files, you will find that all you have to offer is elementary name calling.
Don’t believe me, look for yourself. If you continue to argue this point, I’ll start posting examples.
Also, you are the one with cronies, or are they sock puppets?
No PCD, these are just individuals unrelated in any way who see a pattern with your posts. They only consist of unjust name calling, and HUGE leaps to conclusion on your part.
Again, PCD, I implore you to look back at YOUR archived posts and REALIZE that what you’ve explained above is YOU.
The perception of charactor that you’ve created for yourself is that of a close minded and bitter old man with nothing more to offer the world than name calling and personal attacks when you see fit.
I am sorry to say this PCD, although it is true.
I am not KEO or his sock puppet, just a surfer who came across this site and topic and am posting my opinion on what I see here.
PCD you can not only not tolerate disagreement, you cannot even tolerate someone posing a legitimate question, ie, were the Brits in Iranian waters or not? What about that question is not legitimate?
If I were the owner of this site I would consider banning you until you have an epiphany. Your style does not contribute to the quality of this site. The idea is for people to want to come here and post. If you run everyone off because they see very quickly that no debate is possible, and lose interest, it hurts business, and ultimately that is what this is about for the owner.
Ok, back in the sock drawer with you.
26 -”Also, TT, explain how detaining covert terrorists from Iran is the same as kidnapping these Brits out of Iranian territory?”
The point was, we don’t KNOW if they were “convert terrorists”. The US makes that claim without providing evidence, and in doing so is no different than Iran arresting those British military personnel for “spying”.
Okay puppets, fall back, we’re dismissed for the time being. We’ve done our work; it’s break time.
The point was, we don’t KNOW if they were “convert terroristsâ€. The US makes that claim without providing evidence,
IMHO, this is the reason SOOOOOO many Americans do not trust The Bush Administration.
BTW, those 5 Iranian “covert terrorists” were released as THERE WAS NO SMOKING GUN.
64- “those 5 Iranian “covert terrorists”were released”
I have not heard that. They were still being held by the US as of yesterday, and their status is unknown.
Perhaps I was mistaken. I got something from BBC. I’ll be right back with you.
Thanks for catching!
Sorry, wrong 5 Iranians. Didn’t notice the date when attempting to update myself on the story.
This is the link I mistook as the current situation:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6232735.stm
Again, my apologies.
67- No problem, it’s sometimes hard to keep all of this crap straight.
btw, ignore PCD’s insulting ranting! Just a word of advice from one of your terror-state loving butt-buddies who runs down the US at every opportunity and probably should move to Iran because I love it so much.
btw, ignore PCD’s insulting ranting! Just a word of advice from one of your terror-state loving butt-buddies who runs down the US at every opportunity and probably should move to Iran because I love it so much.
Thanks TT, I really needed that!
As much as I’ve trained myself through the years, I have to admit that I do fall victim to the irrational at times. Yet another life lesson. -Don’t end up like PCD!
Well the US has evidence of Iranian operatives in Iraq providing technical and material support to the terrorists in Iraq. Even one of the Main stream media outlets reported that IED components had been traced back to Iran. The fact that the British sailors and marines wer in Iraqi waters with Iraqi permission has been confirmed by the Iraqi government. What I find more troubling is the fact that the British warship that these sailors and marines were stationed on was not allowed to fire on the Iranian ships despite outgunning them by a substantial margin. A historical example of Iran violating international laws concerning international waters would be their attempt to mine the Persian Gulf in order to disrupt the oil flow through it in the mid to late 80s. The US Navy sent them running for Iranian waters the first time they caught the Iranians mining operation, and shot it full of holes the second time. There was no third attempt. Dictators and thugs understand nothing better than the use of force, and frequently little else. While the entire pacifist/ anti war movement may seem so utopian, it simply isn’t practical to believe that just because you lay down and roll over, the bad guys aren’t going to keep kicking you. I haven’t been in very many fights. I was raised to not start fights, but when one is forced on you to finish it. I’ve never had to fight the same person twice. I’ve never had to hurt anyone, but I’ve let them know that if they started another fight with me, I would put them into either a cast or a casket. With the way that almost all of my fights have ended, they knew it wasn’t an idle threat.
We are in a fight in the middle east, we need to finish it. If we walk away like we did in Somalia, we’ll have them knocking on our door again. It’s really sad that the Ethiopian Army managed to overrun the Muslim extremists in Somalia and chase them out of the country. Of course that’s what happens when you don’t have a political party trying to undermine your military and intelligence communities by passing classified information to the enemy and actively working to hamstring the troops in their efforts with idiotic Politically correct combat restrictions.
Please do some research with experts on radical Islam and international terrorism. Don’t believe what the Dems are saying about if we leave they won’t attack us again. That is NOT what the experts are saying.
the entire pacifist/ anti war movement may seem so utopian, it simply isn’t practical to believe that just because you lay down and roll over, the bad guys aren’t going to keep kicking you.
We are in a fight in the middle east, we need to finish it. If we walk away like we did in Somalia, we’ll have them knocking on our door again.
For the record, I have no idea how we are going to clean up this mess called Operation Iraqi Freedom. I will, however, suggest that we somehow set aside our difference and work out a plan, and REAL SOON!!!
Further, I do not believe that, if asked, the vast majority of Iraqi citizens would be pleased with our decision to “free them.” Not for one minute.
a political party trying to undermine your military and intelligence communities by passing classified information to the enemy and actively working to hamstring the troops in their efforts with idiotic Politically correct combat restrictions.
This I agree with comletely. Although, I hope that your not accusing any American political party of purposely sharing military inteligence with the enemy. The closest thing to that notion was Geraldo’s news coverage during the initial “exciting” stages of the war.
We have drastically contributed to the unrest in the Middle East. My only hope is that we can solve this problem before it devours us whole.
71-The unrest in the ME? What drugs are you smoking? When has there been sustained peace in that region of the world? Every agreement made in the last 30 years has been broken before the hands were shook…please! Maybe it is time for you to actually research the subject.
71, KEO, you are uninformed, yet pontificate authoritively. You dismiss data you don’t already have and when presented with data you don’t have, you do not pause to assimilate it. That makes you an a**hole and not worth dealing with.
Well, KEO the Democratic party has on multiple occasions been supplying information through the NYT to the enemy in the form of leaks. Not to mention Senator Rocekfeller going to the middle east and telling the Syrian and other governments that plans were being made to invade Iraq months before the actual invasion.
Other than McCain, the people making the big stink about wanting to give illegal nonuniformed combatants access to US courts and demanding that they not be strenously interrogated have not been Republicans.
With the Kurds and the Shia being the majority of the population of Iraq versus the minority Sunnis, they would would probably be happy to not be constantly living in fear of their lives from the Sunni run government of their country.
We do both agree that we have to fix Iraq. The difference is that I know that any attempt at negotiations will fail if they are not backed up with the threat of overwhelming military force. I also feel that as the situation continues to stabilize, the Iraqi citizenry will be more forthcoming in helping. Of course, the fact that millions of them turned out to vote on multiple occasions despite death threats may indicate that they are getting the idea that we are there to help them. There is also the fact that tipline calls have been growing exponentially.
Britons confess to spying, shown in this clip:
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The Brits were “spying”?
News Flash: EVERYone gathers intelligence all the time. The issue is whether the Brits were in Iranian waters. What they were doing is immaterial.
And they were not in Iranian waters.
“The Science is in, the debate is over!”
Tim, another idiot Kos puke who knows nothing, but swallows everthing put out by the enemies of the US. Well Tim, that makes you an America Hater.