Dear Rosie, Here Is How Steel Is Made, And Guess What…Fire Is Involved! P.S. Bush Went To Harvard As Well As Yale
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Justin Had this to say:
Rosie for the first time mentioned her September 11 conspiracy theories on “The View.” Note that she has “no idea” who attacked us on that tragic day.
HASSELBECK: Do you believe that the government had anything to do with the attack of 9/11? Do you believe in a conspiracy in terms of the attack of 9/11?
O’DONNELL: No. But I do believe the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics for the World Trade Center Tower Seven, building seven, which collapsed in on itself, it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved, World Trade Center Seven. World Trade Center one and Two got hit by plains. Seven, miraculously, for the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.
HASSELBECK: And who do you think is responsible for that?
O’DONNELL: I have no idea. But to say that we don’t know it was imploded, that there was implosion in the demolition, is beyond ignorant. Look at the film. Get a physics expert here from Yale, from Harvard. Pick the school. It defies reason.
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March 29, 2007 - 08:53 PM on March 29th, 2007
Perhaps Rosie is right? Maybe everything we have been told all these years about how steel is made and formed is a lie? Steel is actually made in a cryogenic vessel? Extreme cold is used to liquify steel so it can be formed and worked?
Rosie, please, tell us more…you and Al Gore both seem to know for certain things that are a mystery to us poor, feeble-minded mortals…
Bwaaa haaa haaa haaa haaa!
Rosie is lobbying hard for the title of “Stupidest Woman In the American Media”! Queen of The Idiot Culture!
This is so rich! Rosie’s own utterings insult herself more than my attempts could!
March 30, 2007 - 05:41 AM on March 30th, 2007
Let’s face the truth:
Even though Bush was at Yale, he would not have been a big help… Due to a terror assault that was primarilly done by Arabs who were trained in Afganistan, he attacked Iraq.
So there you are: two idiots who derive from the same incident a completely silly conclusion!
March 30, 2007 - 07:00 AM on March 30th, 2007
2.
All that demonstrated is that you fail to understand the depth of the situation.
Iraq was a legitimate target in the GWOT. It is debatable if it was the best target, even though I would stae it was.
March 30, 2007 - 07:12 AM on March 30th, 2007
Peejz,
Pretty good article.
Perhaps you can post for Rosie “How babies Are Made” next, because she seems pretty confused about that as well.
March 30, 2007 - 07:38 AM on March 30th, 2007
4- and Ted, did you know that liars get cancer! She said that too:razz:
March 30, 2007 - 07:43 AM on March 30th, 2007
She should realy give her mouth a rest and keep it closed for a few years except for eating:razz:
March 30, 2007 - 08:09 AM on March 30th, 2007
5.
Yes- it’s a medical fact.
March 30, 2007 - 08:40 AM on March 30th, 2007
7-:lol:
March 30, 2007 - 09:44 AM on March 30th, 2007
2. He originally attacked Afghanistan. Weren’t you aware of that? And obviously, you don’t seem to have a grasp of Iraq’s (and Saddam Insane’s) connection with terrorism.
March 30, 2007 - 12:56 PM on March 30th, 2007
Steel won’t float either.
March 30, 2007 - 03:24 PM on March 30th, 2007
She’s so outrageous!
But she is correct, the 9/11 “fire” did not “melt” the steel in the buildings supports. The fires couldn’t have burned hot enough to “melt” steel; but it didn’t need to melt it in order to cause the gravity fed collapses.
March 30, 2007 - 05:32 PM on March 30th, 2007
Iraq was a legitimate target in the GWOT. It is debatable if it was the best target, even though I would stae it was.
And obviously, you don’t seem to have a grasp of Iraq’s (and Saddam Insane’s) connection with terrorism.
Rosie’s an idiot…
Still…
We’ve suceeded in forming a (likely temporary) coalition between the forces that attacked the USA during 9/11 and the Iraqi partisans. This coalition didn’t exist before we invaded Iraq. What did OBL have to say about Saddam’s regime again?
Does anyone really think that our invasion of Iraq has made us safer?
Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of “professionalized” terrorists, according to a report released by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director’s think tank. Iraq provides terrorists with “a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills,” said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. “There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries.”
The fact that over 60% of Americans believed that Saddam was “involved” in 9/11 when we entered Iraq is a horrible embarassment (and a source of much humor overseas).
At this point, there may be reasons for us to remain in Iraq. These are reasons that did not precede our invasion, though.
March 30, 2007 - 05:47 PM on March 30th, 2007
Re 12:
Dirty pool.
Please redact your quotation. You quoted my statement in post 3 in conjuction with Susanna Harriff’s quote in post 9. Combining these completely takes my quote out of context. I won’t sippose to speak for Sussanna.
“Does anyone really think that our invasion of Iraq has made us safer?”
“Safer” impies degrees, so my answer is a definate yes. There is much more to do, as we need to complete a cranial-rectal inversion operation for every singlr politician on Capital Hill and in the White House to approach a degree of safety that is possible.
March 30, 2007 - 06:01 PM on March 30th, 2007
11- No one ever claimed the steel melted…you are correct in your assertion though…
March 30, 2007 - 08:09 PM on March 30th, 2007
Actually the fires could’ve easily been hot enough to melt the steel. The WTC towers were not built like the older skyscrapers with large girders. They were built using supports built of what is essentially rebar that is covered with a fire retardent to keep fire temps from reaching the thin 1/2 – 1 inch wire. Once the fire retardent was knocked or burnt off (plane impact and blast was indicated as the cause of this, in the PBS special I watched on the engineering analysis), the engineered trusses would’ve taken temps below 2000 degrees for a relatively short period of time to melt. Keep in mind that smaller quantities of metal require fewer BTUS to reach melting points than larger ones. Its just one of those funny little laws of thermodynamics. There is a reason why it was possible for our ancestors to get out of the bronze age, they were able to smelt iron ore into iron using charcoal and wood fired foundries. It is a slow and laborious process, but it can be done. Steel is simply a alloy of iron. Jet fuel burns MUCH more efficiently and hence much HOTTER than wood or charcoal, and 767s fueled for a transcontinental flight have a LOT of jet fuel on board. To cause the structure to fail didn’t even require the steel to fully melt, simply soften to the point of the span collapsing under its own weight.
BTW for those who didn’t know it. A DC-3 once flew into the Empire State Building and the building barely shook. They just don’t build them like that anymore. It’s built with the heavy steel girders that all of the old construction photos from the 30s show men walking across.
BTW I’d love to see Rosie explain how an incendiary grenade weighing under two lbs generates enough heat to burn completely through a steel engine block in under 30 seconds without the grenade exploding. For those who haven’t seen it, that is one impressive display of the effects of applied pyrotechnics. The instructors would sit the grenade on top of a steel truck engine block and within 30 seconds, it had burnt all of the way through and was sitting on the ground burning beneath the engine. Of course the fact that it was burning at roughly 4300 degrees Fahrenheit might have had something to do with that.
March 30, 2007 - 08:21 PM on March 30th, 2007
Ah, Rosie, I can just envision the duct tape over your mouth.
The steel didn’t have to melt. The heat was enough to expand joints, weaken the structure, metal fatigue and gravity would take care of the rest.
Kind of what happened when the jets flew into the north and south tower.
March 30, 2007 - 09:01 PM on March 30th, 2007
Actually the fires could’ve easily been hot enough to melt the steel.
A common-sense fact that escapes only dolts like Rosie O’Dumbbell.
March 30, 2007 - 09:17 PM on March 30th, 2007
BTW I’d love to see Rosie explain how an incendiary grenade weighing under two lbs generates enough heat to burn completely through a steel engine block in under 30 seconds without the grenade exploding.
Rosie couldn’t explain how to find her own big ass with both hands!
March 31, 2007 - 09:26 AM on March 31st, 2007
Robert, would that be with or without a map, compass and a flashlight?:lol:
March 31, 2007 - 12:20 PM on March 31st, 2007
Actually, the fire did burn hot enough to melt steel. The fuel used in jet engines burns extraordinarily hot, way more than hot enough to melt steel.
March 31, 2007 - 05:12 PM on March 31st, 2007
Yes, but that fact can be added to the (long)list of things that Rosie doesn’t know yet doesn’t stop her from rendering her pronouncements.
April 2, 2007 - 07:19 AM on April 2nd, 2007
9- “And obviously, you don’t seem to have a grasp of Iraq’s (and Saddam Insane’s) connection with terrorism. “
There are probably people in Ireland supporting the IRA and people in Spain supporting the ETA… nevertheless nobody attacks those countries…
But I guess, sacrificing 3000 of your own soldiers and 50,000 civilians is a valid price, if you justify a war with the idea:“WMDs, terrorism… if the UN doesn’t act, a bunch of suspected reasons is as good as one proven one!”
April 2, 2007 - 07:25 AM on April 2nd, 2007
22, Mattias, we’ve already established that you know nothing except what leftwing blogs your Googling brings up. I strongly suggest you take your misinformed ass to Iraq and get the whole story. Take your wife along as translator. Don’t hook up with any CNN reporters or their stringers. After 6 months, come back and report.
April 2, 2007 - 08:14 AM on April 2nd, 2007
23- “I strongly suggest you take your misinformed ass to Iraq and get the whole story.”
Sorry, that’s no good idea after your people went into the country… Maybe under Saddam I hadn’t got “the whole story” (whatever that is), but at least I had been sure to get my ass unharmed out of the country again!
Besides… where do you get you informations from? From amateur filmers like the late Corporal Gumby from Texas?
April 2, 2007 - 08:55 AM on April 2nd, 2007
24, Blogs like “Iraq the Model”. Soldiers who have returned from Iraq. Those are some of my public sources.
April 2, 2007 - 09:05 AM on April 2nd, 2007
Matthias,
“Besides: where do you get you informations from? From amateur filmers like the late Corporal Gumby from Texas?”
You know Matthias, at one point in time I just thought you were someone with a different opinions than me. You carried yourself with a modicum of respect and even though your opinions were idealist at time, IMO I thought you were still a decent person.
However, the statement of yours I quoted is quite telling. It shows blatant disrespect for not just a soldier, but a dead soldier that died for a core value of beliefs that not only has led to my people’s freedom, but yours as well.
Granted- maybe there is a language barrier issue here, but as it stands this is the act of a deplorable naive. If you stand by this, you have soundly changed my perception of you Matthais, to that of a person whose opinion should not be considered, right along with the biggots, racists and child molestors of the world.
FWIW.
Ted
April 2, 2007 - 01:05 PM on April 2nd, 2007
26- “However, the statement of yours I quoted is quite telling. It shows blatant disrespect for not just a soldier, but a dead soldier that died for a core value of beliefs that not only has led to my people’s freedom, but yours as well.”
Well, my post shows my disrespect to assholes like this guy’s father who publishes Cpl. Gumby’s video and carries the message to the world:”Come over here to Iraq. Let yourself be slaughtered too- become a hero! For GW’s freedom, WMDs that don’t exist, people being locked away in Torturanamo, Creationism, US world leadership, Oil&Defense stockprices and other lies”.
A guy, that wants to seduce people to take the senseless risk to suffer the same fate of his son. That’s what I call pervert!
Besides: How did that dead guy (as the other 3000 sacrificial lambs) fight/defend your freedom?! With what has Iraq/Saddam ever threatened your freedom? Are you mad?!
April 2, 2007 - 01:21 PM on April 2nd, 2007
“Well, my post shows my disrespect to assholes like this guy’s father who”
No- you never mentioned this soldier’s father. You said “Besides: where do you get you informations from? From amateur filmers like the late Corporal Gumby from Texas?”. HE is a viable source- as viable if not MORE so than any poster here.
Especially you. You have absolutely no grounds to ridicule him. You said in the other thread in the discussion regarding freedom wjem I brought up the right to display a swastika that you have no respect for people who shows disrespect by displaying a symbol that represents the death of 6 million people and that folks should not have the right to show such disprespect.
Well, here you are Matthias, showing disrespect for this soldier. Maybe you are right- perhaps YOU cshouldn’t have that right either.
So, add hypocrite to your resume.
Besides: How did that dead guy (as the other 3000 sacrificial lambs) fight/defend your freedom?!
They are fighting a war that needs to be fought- one declared on us a decade before we even know it was being fought. They are defedning our right to live in peace, without being attacked by religious extremist.
1) Atttempted assination of a President of the Unbited States.
2) Known state support of terrorism. This alone made Iraq a viable target in the Global War on Terror.
3) Attack upon soveriegn nations in the region, for which we already had a military prescence and was spending $8 billion per year. This included enforcement of 2 illegal fly zones.
April 2, 2007 - 01:33 PM on April 2nd, 2007
28- “No- you never mentioned this soldier’s father. You said “Besides: where do you get you informations from? From amateur filmers like the late Corporal Gumby from Texas?â€. HE is a viable source- as viable if not MORE so than any poster here.”
Well, so I mention Cpl. Gumby in my first post and his father in the next one. I mean, does the circumstance that you’ve been killed or that you are dead later a genius?! If somebody appears like an idiot in lifetime, it does not change simply because of his death. If it does, you’ve simple discovered the wonderful extremist concept martyrdom!
“1) Atttempted assination of a President of the Unbited States.”
Well, he probably tried to defend his country’s freedom for some equally ridiculous reasons as yours…
“2) Known state support of terrorism. This alone made Iraq a viable target in the Global War on Terror.”
With all the covert OPs that has been done in the last 50 years by the CIA, I wouldn’t throw the first stone if I was you…
“3) Attack upon soveriegn nations in the region, for which we already had a military prescence and was spending $8 billion per year. This included enforcement of 2 illegal fly zones.”
So, just that I understand you correctly- the fact that you pay $8 billion gives a bigger claim to be militarywise present in the region (on the other side of the planet) than the neighbour country? So here’s my question: What was your reason to be there (before the 1. Gulf war)???
And what do you care about the violation of flightzones and other decisions by the UN, if you don’t wait for a UN legitimization to attack Iraq yourself?!
April 2, 2007 - 02:14 PM on April 2nd, 2007
29, We had all the UN authorization we needed in the 17 violated Security Council Resolutions, especially the last two.
Mattias, you are a true leftist. You don’t let facts get in the way of your rants.
April 2, 2007 - 03:42 PM on April 2nd, 2007
30- …and your posts are not half as intelligent (or interesting) as the ones by Nazi-Ted… That guy is an asshole, but one with balls huge as melons compared to yours!!!
April 2, 2007 - 10:13 PM on April 2nd, 2007
Well, so I mention Cpl. Gumby in my first post and his father in the next one.
You mentioned him in the post 24- showing absolutely no respect for him out either the fact tht he was a soldier dedicated to the principal of freedom or out of common courtesy of showing respect for the dead. I confront you in post 26. You then change your tune in 27. All the while, you’ve never shown anything but contempt for the soldier. You’ve not said you were wrong, misinterpreted or otherwise misunderstood. I even appealed for you to do so.
“I mean, does the circumstance that you’ve been killed or that you are dead later a genius?! If somebody appears like an idiot in lifetime, it does not change simply because of his death.”
Te issue is simply you have absolutely no basis for your assertion that this man s an idoit. Howver, what you do demostrate is your Nazi-esque biggotry towards someone you perceive to be inferior to yourself. You h=make this assertion becasue of his 1) accent and 2) his profession. neither of these hold any basis for your assertion that this man is an idiot. However, it does remind of how the Nazis ridiculed the Jews based on, amoung other things 1) Thier sppech and 2) Their profession.
Matthias, you seem to be the new generation Brown Shirt. you agree with the governement unreadsonably limiting freedoms, while displaying blatent bigotry.
April 2, 2007 - 10:21 PM on April 2nd, 2007
Re 31:
“and your posts are not half as intelligent (or interesting) as the ones by Nazi-Ted:”
Care to demonstrate where I claim to be a Nazi or even demonstrate anything close to Nazi-like behaviour? All I did was support freedom of speech and expression. If anything, you ar the Nazi here Matthias. You support the limitation of freedoms by the governement, bigotry and as a result hypocrisy.
I truly do pity you matthias. If only your were raised in an enviroment where freedom is cherished and liberties aren’t taken for granted.
That guy is an asshole, but one with balls huge as melons compared to yours!!!
One doesn’t need balls when they have the truth on their side. I confront you with the truth, and you never respond. Instead, you shirk away never answering the points or addressing the issue.
April 3, 2007 - 01:51 AM on April 3rd, 2007
32- “..out of common courtesy of showing respect for the dead.”
I have respect towards the dead… but that does not change my impression of their person when they were alive.
“Te issue is simply you have absolutely no basis for your assertion that this man s an idoit.”
He was proud of what he was doing, also mentioning the 3,000 dead comrades and now he is dead too- dead for nothing! Proud of having brought civil war to a relatively peaceful area… proud of being involved in the killing of 50,000 cvilians…
If that is no reason to call him an idiot, what else?
33- “If only your were raised in an enviroment where freedom is cherished and liberties aren’t taken for granted.”
I would let myself be seduced by biased media like Fox, and would have myself proudly being slaughtered- right as Cpl Gumby! And then you could show my martyr-video here…
Maybe Cpl Gumby had some children too? So then you could show them in children’s television like this sick film that Peejz posted here some weeks ago from palestine TV… Gumby Jun. saying “Daddy killed muslims and is now in heaven!”
April 3, 2007 - 04:40 AM on April 3rd, 2007
Mattias, you are an empty whinesack. You want to compare Peoples? How about Germany in the 30s? A brutal people taken over by a dictator. Lots of parallels to Saddam and Iraq. Only difference is that you want us to cut and run so that an Islamist Cambodia killing fields can be born from Iraq.
April 3, 2007 - 05:53 AM on April 3rd, 2007
Re 34:
“I have respect towards the dead: but that does not change my impression of their person when they were alive.”
An impression based on your shallow elitist attitude. You base this opinion on his accent, his profession and where he lives. Nothing more. This is no basis on which to judge any person.
AS I said- no common courtesy for respect of the dead.
“He was proud of what he was doing, also mentioning the 3,000 dead comrades and now he is dead too…”
Yes, he was proud of what he was doing. He is an American soldier. If a person does thsi with integrity, there are few things in the world one could be more proud of.
As far as the rest of that section “dead for nothing! Proud of having brought civil war to a relatively peaceful area: proud of being involved in the killing of 50,000 cvilians:”
Rubbish. He didn’t bring about the war, the area wa not peaceful (even in relative terms!) and he didn’t kill 50,000 civilian nor did his comrades.
:If that is no reason to call him an idiot, what else?”
As I plainly displayed, you have no reason to call him an idiot.
“I would let myself be seduced by biased media like Fox, and would have myself proudly being slaughtered- right as Cpl Gumby! And then you could show my martyr-video here:”
So, you would rather have the governement choose for you instead of having the freedoms to choose for yourself?
I really do pity you Matthias.
April 3, 2007 - 06:15 AM on April 3rd, 2007
36- “..he didn’t kill 50,000 civilian nor did his comrades.”
Well somebody did… But there we are again at the question that none of you wanted to answer earlier on: How many civilians were killed in the Iraq-War?
And neither did you answer the question: Why was the US military present in the region before the first (US) Gulf war?
“As I plainly displayed, you have no reason to call him an idiot.”
As I don’t approve martyrdom from any side, HE and his father ARE idiots. Proud, noble, really handsome, patriotic and whatever you may call them… to me he is nothing but an idiot who died for nothing at a place where he was not supposed to be!
“So, you would rather have the governement choose for you instead of having the freedoms to choose for yourself?”
That is just another time that you twist my statement…
April 3, 2007 - 06:30 AM on April 3rd, 2007
“But there we are again at the question that none of you wanted to answer earlier on:”
I’ll answer them now, as I thought of them as rhetorical.
“How many civilians were killed in the Iraq-War?”
There is no definitve away to answer that, but thus far the best estimate are found at Iraqi Body Count. Their estimates are betwqeen 60,0000-66,000.
And neither did you answer the question: Why was the US military present in the region before the first (US) Gulf war?
Even though our prescence was minimal, it was due to the Cold War.
Now, I’ve diectly answered your questions. If you continue to ignore mine, I will return the favour in kind and ignore nors hence forth.
April 3, 2007 - 06:35 AM on April 3rd, 2007
Re 37:
“That is just another time that you twist my statement:”
No it wasn’t. You favour governement control of freedom of speech instead of allowing it, specifically regarding Nazi’s and the freedom to display the swastika if one want to. There’s no other way around that. You favor governemet control over freedom of speech.
April 3, 2007 - 06:51 AM on April 3rd, 2007
38- “Even though our prescence was minimal, it was due to the Cold War.”
And has of cause nothing to do with the famous Kissinger quote: “OIL IS MUCH TOO IMPORTANT A COMMODITY TO BE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF THE ARABS.  I guess…
“Now, I’ve diectly answered your questions. If you continue to ignore mine, I will return the favour in kind and ignore nors hence forth.”
So gimme a clear question!
39- “No it wasn’t. You favour governement control of freedom of speech instead of allowing it, specifically regarding Nazi’s and the freedom to display the swastika if one want to. There’s no other way around that. You favor governemet control over freedom of speech.”
Yes, and when we are talking about about Nazis I wish that your government did that too, because it is Hitler-admirers like Gary lauck who used this sort of freedom to run the American NSDAP and spread his sick propaganda in the rest of the world- including MY country!
April 3, 2007 - 07:02 AM on April 3rd, 2007
“Yes, and when we are talking about about Nazis I wish that your government did that too, because it is Hitler-admirers like Gary lauck who used this sort of freedom to run the American NSDAP and spread his sick propaganda in the rest of the world- including MY country!”
By this staement you admit you favor governement control over freedom of speech. This is why I say you are like a Nazi- they also favor governement control over freedom of speech.
Matthias, freedoms are inalienable. Unless it interfere with another freedoms, they are also absolute. Just because you disagree with the the Nazi’s and their propoganda, that gives you no right to limit their freedom of speech and expression. I disagree with the Nazi’s- they are heinious individuals. There is nothing worse than a judgemental person IMO (which is why I am all over you about the coproal- the slander you are protmoting against him is heinious in its own right) and they top the list. They are human scum, simple as that. but not even scum should be denied their rights. As soon as you deny their rights, you deny your own.