Comments on: UK: Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/ in all matter of opinion, our adversaries are insane. Sun, 08 Aug 2010 14:43:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: FrmrArtyOffcr http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-396821 FrmrArtyOffcr Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:00:30 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-396821 What really amazes me is that some British schools are dropping teaching about the Crusades because they think it'll offend the Muslims. I would recommend that they use "Chronicles of the Crusades" for a text book. It tells the history of the crusades through first hand accounts from all sides. It includes all of the historical notes, photos and maps of the areas where the events described occurred. What a lot of people fail to realize is that overall the Crusades were a disaster for the Christians. They did manage to take and hold Jerusalem for 100 years, but many of the Crusades were blood baths and a number of them were actually against OTHER Christians not just Muslims. The Christians actualy did more damage to the Christian city of Constantinople than the Muslims did. Okay I admit I'm a history geek. Sue me. Those who do not learn from the past are destined to repeat it. What really amazes me is that some British schools are dropping teaching about the Crusades because they think it’ll offend the Muslims. I would recommend that they use “Chronicles of the Crusades” for a text book. It tells the history of the crusades through first hand accounts from all sides. It includes all of the historical notes, photos and maps of the areas where the events described occurred. What a lot of people fail to realize is that overall the Crusades were a disaster for the Christians. They did manage to take and hold Jerusalem for 100 years, but many of the Crusades were blood baths and a number of them were actually against OTHER Christians not just Muslims. The Christians actualy did more damage to the Christian city of Constantinople than the Muslims did. Okay I admit I’m a history geek. Sue me. Those who do not learn from the past are destined to repeat it.

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-394023 TedintheShed Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:13:22 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-394023 Re 27: Here's another "misquote"for ya, Ted: <em>"And your elitist Nazi-esque attitude rears its ugly head once more.”</em> That's not a misquote- I said that. You quoted me berbatim, for a change. you are catching on, it seems. So, even if I had an Nazi-esque attitude- weren't you the one who was appreciating that as being a "great achievement"to be able to live such an attitude in a "free"country?! <em>"So, even if I had an Nazi-esque attitude- weren't you the one who was appreciating that as being a "great achievement"to be able to live such an attitude in a "free"country?! "</em> Yes I did. The difference is that I do not condone or display such behaviour nazsi-esque behaviour such as you display. What is important is the freedom of speech and expression that it entails, anmd that you have the right to do it. As Voltaire said <em>"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."</em> Re 27:

Here’s another “misquote”for ya, Ted:
“And your elitist Nazi-esque attitude rears its ugly head once more.”

That’s not a misquote- I said that. You quoted me berbatim, for a change. you are catching on, it seems.

So, even if I had an Nazi-esque attitude- weren’t you the one who was appreciating that as being a “great achievement”to be able to live such an attitude in a “free”country?!

“So, even if I had an Nazi-esque attitude- weren’t you the one who was appreciating that as being a “great achievement”to be able to live such an attitude in a “free”country?! “

Yes I did. The difference is that I do not condone or display such behaviour nazsi-esque behaviour such as you display. What is important is the freedom of speech and expression that it entails, anmd that you have the right to do it.

As Voltaire said “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

]]> By: Matthias Roggenbuck http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-394000 Matthias Roggenbuck Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:36:08 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-394000 23- <em>"you yourself admitted that your wife and her family CAN NOT speak out against the radicals.."</em> Give me a link on where I said that.. What I may have said is, that I may not be able to speak as a kind of representative of a group of people (=radical muslims) that has as much to do with me and my family as the Bush administration has in common with the Dalai Lama! Of course I spoke several times against violence in any form- as a human being who is proud to <em>not</em> regulate conflicts with such nice inventions like death row, "soft" torture or preventive military strikes!!! 24- Here's another "misquote" for ya, Ted... <em>"And your elitist Nazi-esque attitude rears its ugly head once more."</em> So, even if I had an Nazi-esque attitude- weren't you the one who was appreciating that as being a "great achievement" to be able to live such an attitude in a "free" country?! 23- “you yourself admitted that your wife and her family CAN NOT speak out against the radicals..”

Give me a link on where I said that..
What I may have said is, that I may not be able to speak as a kind of representative of a group of people (=radical muslims) that has as much to do with me and my family as the Bush administration has in common with the Dalai Lama!
Of course I spoke several times against violence in any form- as a human being who is proud to not regulate conflicts with such nice inventions like death row, “soft” torture or preventive military strikes!!!

24- Here’s another “misquote” for ya, Ted…
“And your elitist Nazi-esque attitude rears its ugly head once more.”

So, even if I had an Nazi-esque attitude- weren’t you the one who was appreciating that as being a “great achievement” to be able to live such an attitude in a “free” country?!

]]> By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393911 Peejz Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:04:39 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393911 <strong><em>Evidently, from the abundence of misquotes that Matthias has accumulated from me, neither do I! </em></strong> Ouch! That'll leave a mark! Evidently, from the abundence of misquotes that Matthias has accumulated from me, neither do I!

Ouch! That’ll leave a mark!

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393876 TedintheShed Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:27:20 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393876 <em>"Yes I said what i said, but i don't speak for Ted."</em> Indeed, you do not. Evidently, from the abundence of misquotes that Matthias has accumulated from me, neither do I! :lol: “Yes I said what i said, but i don’t speak for Ted.”

Indeed, you do not.

Evidently, from the abundence of misquotes that Matthias has accumulated from me, neither do I! :lol:

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393875 TedintheShed Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:25:22 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393875 Re 21: <em>Of course it is: do you know that quote from "Full Metal Jacket”: Only steers and queers come from Texas:</em> And your elitist Nazi-esque attitude rears its ugly head once more. <em>"And you have definitely too much time, to waste it by this nitpicking childish "I said- you said”-games:"</em> Stop slandering me, and I will stop making these challenges (of which you have yet to meet a single one, I might add). I gave you a direct question, and you aren't answering it. I thought you said you would, which not only make you a hypocrite but a liar. Let me rephrase so that you may have a chance to redeem yourself: <strong> Where did I "... compare his appearance to a physically handicapped person like Hawking, you suggest that his problems even went further!!!" ?</strong> Re 21:

Of course it is: do you know that quote from “Full Metal Jacket”: Only steers and queers come from Texas:

And your elitist Nazi-esque attitude rears its ugly head once more.

“And you have definitely too much time, to waste it by this nitpicking childish “I said- you said”-games:”

Stop slandering me, and I will stop making these challenges (of which you have yet to meet a single one, I might add).

I gave you a direct question, and you aren’t answering it. I thought you said you would, which not only make you a hypocrite but a liar. Let me rephrase so that you may have a chance to redeem yourself:

Where did I “… compare his appearance to a physically handicapped person like Hawking, you suggest that his problems even went further!!!” ?

]]> By: Peejz http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393872 Peejz Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:24:10 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393872 19- Yes I said what i said, but i don't speak for Ted. This is a conversation we have had many times, and you yourself admitted that your wife and her family CAN NOT speak out against the radicals..well they can, but they chose not to...big difference...that is unless they too will be killed for speaking out? Is that whay they won't? 19- Yes I said what i said, but i don’t speak for Ted. This is a conversation we have had many times, and you yourself admitted that your wife and her family CAN NOT speak out against the radicals..well they can, but they chose not to…big difference…that is unless they too will be killed for speaking out? Is that whay they won’t?

]]> By: TedintheShed http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393868 TedintheShed Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:18:49 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393868 "So Peejz says it, Ted, that is why I've made up my mind on corporals: There were no intelligent examples to prove that they are not idiots in general!" We have an entire army of them as examples, and I gave one very specific example. In either case, that proves nothing, as the examples are still anecdotal and not based upon facts. Perhaps from you example, I should make up my mind that all Germans are subserviant Nazi-esque freedom elitist based upon the anecdotal evudence at hand... but I wouldn't be so foolish. “So Peejz says it, Ted, that is why I’ve made up my mind on corporals: There were no intelligent examples to prove that they are not idiots in general!”

We have an entire army of them as examples, and I gave one very specific example.

In either case, that proves nothing, as the examples are still anecdotal and not based upon facts.

Perhaps from you example, I should make up my mind that all Germans are subserviant Nazi-esque freedom elitist based upon the anecdotal evudence at hand…

but I wouldn’t be so foolish.

]]> By: Matthias Roggenbuck http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393864 Matthias Roggenbuck Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:15:35 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393864 20- <em>"At least one of the basis for your judgement is the man's profession (coporal in the army) and where he is from (Texas). This is a direct quote from you."</em> Of course it is... :mrgreen: do you know that quote from "Full Metal Jacket": <em>Only steers and queers come from Texas</em>... <em>"You are either an idiot or a liar. Point out where I made this suggestion."</em> And you have definitely too much time, to waste it by this nitpicking childish "I said- you said"-games... 20- “At least one of the basis for your judgement is the man’s profession (coporal in the army) and where he is from (Texas). This is a direct quote from you.”

Of course it is… :mrgreen: do you know that quote from “Full Metal Jacket”: Only steers and queers come from Texas…

“You are either an idiot or a liar. Point out where I made this suggestion.”

And you have definitely too much time, to waste it by this nitpicking childish “I said- you said”-games…

]]> By: PCD http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/comment-page-1/#comment-393863 PCD Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:15:00 +0000 http://rightvoices.com/2007/04/02/uk-schools-are-dropping-the-holocaust-from-history-lessons-to-avoid-offending-muslim-pupils/#comment-393863 19, Mattias, You are lucky I don't have your picture and address. I'd see to it your words were posted with your picture and address. I think a few corporals, along with Herr Roggenbuck, would have a few words with you. You are wrong, and pig headed. 19, Mattias, You are lucky I don’t have your picture and address. I’d see to it your words were posted with your picture and address. I think a few corporals, along with Herr Roggenbuck, would have a few words with you. You are wrong, and pig headed.

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